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2nd Place Major Curse
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Netherlands NotSoGoodPlayer 
-Ence -Avangar -Immortals All 4 Second Place All 4 Fallen off alot in the months after 3rd/4th Always Passed them Win a Major or Lose in Semis or Before otherwise cursed
2019-11-11 22:02
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because all of them are fluke teams except vp. immortals and avangar weren't even the 2nd best teams in the tournament, they just got 2nd by luck. ence atleast probably played the second best, but once people knew them fell off a lot.
2019-11-11 22:03
Exactly, but this doesn't happen at teams that become 3rd/8th, they mostly increase
2019-11-11 22:04
Agree on avangar, anyone from the other side of the bracket would have done better in the finals.
2019-11-11 22:06
Exactly, because most of the time fluke teams get into final, final is boring
2019-11-11 22:07
It depends, sometimes the fluke team wins and the final is interesting. C9, fnatic dhw2013 or to a minor extend NIP cologne 2014
2019-11-11 22:42
True, NiP Fnatic never fell off really, but C9 did
2019-11-12 07:44
C9 fell off because the whole team collapsed, not because their performance actually dropped, so idk if you can really say they fell off.
2019-11-12 11:06
I counted in team ranking 6 months after
2019-11-12 15:39
??? After major they played another tournament with full roster and came second, then both Stewie2K and skadoodle left, 2 months after the major (skadoodle came back after like 2 weeks though). Tarik left 3 months after that and skadoodle goes back into retirement 3 months after that. Unless you're gonna claim that losing a key player in their team wasn't going to affect their performance (especially with the replacement they got), you'd be mad to say that Cloud9 dropped off for any reason other than themselves.
2019-11-13 10:12
Gambit, was the biggest fluke
2019-11-13 10:17
Think Avangar playing some good CS tho
2019-11-12 09:13
United Kingdom Matthewjep 
Aug nerf also made Ence fall off
2019-11-12 08:50
Finland Faust_fSt 
Myth btw
2019-11-12 09:00
2019-11-12 15:59
Finland Faust_fSt 
Share of AUGs purchased out of all purchases of M4s and AUGs in the "New Legends" stage of #IEM Katowice: Renegades: 93% Liquid: 92% NRG: 90% BIG: 89% G2: 75% ENCE: 73% NaVi: 71% Vitality: 67% HR: 66% MIBR: 66% AVANGAR: 66% Cloud9: 66% NiP: 60% Astralis: 55% comp.: 55% FaZe: 36% Share of AUGs purchased out of purchases of M4s and AUGs in the #StarSeriesS7 group-stage: North 81% Renegades 75% NRG 67% MIBR 66% NaVi 64% *BIG 61% *TyLoo 59% paiN 58% ENCE 53% fnatic 51% Vitality 49% Spirit 47% ViCi 44% Panda 43% NiP 41% FaZe 26% AUGs purchased per team per CT round in the legends stage of #IEM Katowice so far: NRG: 1.48 BIG: 1.35 Liquid: 1.33 Vitality: 1.33 Renegades: 1.32 G2: 1.22 NaVi: 1.16 NiP: 1.09 ENCE: 1.06 Cloud9: 1.02 MIBR: 1.00 AVANGAR: 0.87 compLexity: 0.82 HR: 0.81 Astralis: 0.78 FaZe: 0.55 But don't let facts come in the way of ENCE+AUG hate
2019-11-12 16:13
aerial uses a1-s and allu awps dumbass the 3 aug users exploited it better than anyone else did, buy statistics don't mean shit
2019-11-12 16:17
Finland Faust_fSt 
sergej also didn't use AUG much, always preferred AK if possible, M4 in multiple positions. You're really going for the "shit player with AUG is better than a good player with AUG" logic? Also nevermind the analysts saying that ENCE were one of the best T sides, if not the best T side, on Nuke and Train, and at times on Mirage. Against the full blown AUG meta, btw. But I really don't expect standard HLTV children to give any attention to facts, it's easier for them to yell out their biased opinions as facts, and find other people who "agree" on them to be true. Bye idiot :D
2019-11-12 16:21
Drop your bias and try and watch those games objectively Any ct rifler prefers ak They were better than other teams at utilizing the scope. Nothing to do with anyone being "shit" or "good." They were holding bs long range pixel angles that other teams didn't know of If you want me to pay attention to facts try giving me some meaningful ones I bet you bought a fucking ence music kit you retarded fangay
2019-11-12 16:27
United Kingdom _xC4ctus 
+1 brother dumb fin
2019-11-13 10:29
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Denmark bebm 
xseven and aleksib's performence went way down post aug nerf aerial slumped but that is a mere coincidence
2019-11-14 17:04
Finland Faust_fSt 
xseven yes, he is and always was a shit player - katowice was a one off, EVERYTHING went his way individually, but not only because of the aug. aleksib i disagree, he had some awful maps and events even before the nerf, and some decent ones after - speaking of individual stats, of course. aerial is a mystery to me, there needs to be some confidence issues or something. he's an alright player, but he's been performing god-awful the last 6 months or so.
2019-11-14 17:41
in some cases its wrong though. Like teams using SMGs most of the time. The french of course. Also that statistic is really high bro. The teams with good aimers can get to older self but new teams can't.
2019-11-12 16:25
Liechtenstein Niko0 
that fluke shit is just retarded. Ence didnt fluke, they were just so dominating at train/nuke/mirage during majors and other teams couldnt counterstrat them because of AleksiB's tactics. When the time went on his tac's stopped working because other teams adapted to them and he fell out of ideas. Thats why they replaced him, and thats why they dropped out of top10. Just keep in mind it took them over a year to compete on major level and anything can happen with the current roster too. Nobody believed Ence when they started with AleksiB's roster and nobody does now either. Just wait.
2019-11-12 10:56
Almost any team will work with time on their side. The problem is whether they do
2019-11-12 11:08
Liechtenstein Niko0 
Well not necessarily. There are teams who has played for a long time with no real results. But i just dont think Ence and Avangar are one of them.
2019-11-12 11:13
Almost any team != All teams
2019-11-12 12:29
TBH ENCE did play really well at the major and afterwards they did fall off but they were still top 6 team and could compete for 2nd 3rd and 4th place in pretty big events. They were actually pretty good before aleksi left, i thbink they just needed to replace aerial with sunny and if xseven could do half of major form then theyd be top 3 ez
2019-11-12 16:32
Liechtenstein Niko0 
2019-11-14 18:02
allu | 
Switzerland Jeded 
Holy shit dude +1 finally someone with some sense
2019-11-14 14:05
Being 18 + on HLTV is pretty shit.. U feel like u are in kindergarten, being amonst 5 year olds.. What is funny about kids is, when they learn a new word, they use it all the time Here is the story: A few months ago, kids on HLTV learned the word "Fluke". Which means, unlikley luck, a short term sucess that happend due to lucky circumstances So now, kids say "fluke" all the time. Recently , a kid just called MiBR/SK/LG a "fluke" How is TEN TOURNAMENTS AND TWO MAJORS A FLUKE IDIOTS? STOP USING A NEW WORD U LEARNED LIKE A TRUE KID 24/7 THIS IS EMBARRISING, HLTV RETARDS SAY FLUKE WHEN TEAM LOSE ONE MATCH
2019-11-12 14:05
mad 12 yo spotted
2019-11-12 15:49
Kazakhstan bjornzz 
I think it's a copypasta
2019-11-12 15:55
bjornzz with the 200iq copypasta knowledge
2019-11-12 15:57
2019-11-14 14:09
1. Sort of fluke 2. Fluke 3. Yes 4. Just made love to their boyfriend
2019-11-11 22:04
2019-11-11 22:05
nex | 
Germany Vikernes 
You'll prove it or i'll kill you!
2019-11-12 08:01
Albania Udfj 
nip is kind of there. 1 win, 4 2nd place
2019-11-11 22:10
Interestingly they fell off after their win.
2019-11-11 22:45
Idk they still relevant till this day tho, had some up and downs but stayed up to them
2019-11-12 07:45
Finland Faust_fSt 
They were dogshit for about 2 years, that's like saying now that "VP has its ups and downs"
2019-11-12 09:23
They were dogshit except for the 1 tournament a year where they actually showed up
2019-11-12 11:09
Germany the_dukes 
you talking about Oakland?....
2019-11-12 12:41
not exactly, I'm just saying that NiP wasn't shit all the time, just most of the time
2019-11-12 14:22
Ence would've still been fine if not for kicking their igl
2019-11-11 22:45
2019-11-12 07:45
2019-11-12 07:50
Finland Faust_fSt 
They made legends in the next Major after their 2nd place anyway, also managed to do rather well over the time between Katowice and Berlin. It really is a bit of a stretch to claim OP's statement, only really applies to Immortals - but nobody cares about the absolute worst Major ever anyway.
2019-11-12 09:02
If people cared, it wouldn't be the worst major ever, would it?
2019-11-12 12:33
Finland Faust_fSt 
Well, I guess you could still care about how shit something is.
2019-11-12 13:00
Germany the_dukes 
don't cry Finns but that major was good though so cry me a river now toxic finn
2019-11-12 12:42
Finland Faust_fSt 
Why would I cry about anything? Your comment makes no sense.
2019-11-12 13:02
allu | 
Switzerland Jeded 
Ence was starting to drop off, you could see it. Sure if they kept alexsib they could stay top 5 for the rest of the year but ence wanted to be number 1. Not just a top 5 team which is why they made the switch
2019-11-14 14:07
Are they a top 1 team now? With Havu about to be in EPL they won't even be top 1 in finland
2019-11-14 15:00
allu | 
Switzerland Jeded 
Imagine expecting a team to be top 1 right after a huge roster move. They've been together for 3 months, 2020 is their year
2019-11-14 16:45
Will come back to this comment in a year
2019-11-14 16:46
allu | 
Switzerland Jeded 
Do it, I predict ence winning 2nd major of the year.
2019-11-14 17:01
Avangar isnt even bad rn
2019-11-11 22:46
Avangar loses in MDL to teams like Cr4zy and virtus pro
2019-11-12 07:45
Online games don't count
2019-11-12 13:04
They got 4th at Dreamhack Rotterdam
2019-11-12 15:40
u forgot navi in this list, look where they now
2019-11-12 08:53
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Indonesia JoSuaLB 
Nah They just need more time so they can top contender again
2019-11-12 09:01
they suck for 1 year already , wdym?
2019-11-12 09:04
Germany the_dukes 
hahahaha omg you must be a retard.... Navi hasn't played much this year and the tournaments Navi had attended this year they at least qualified for playoffs or win some of them soo cry me a river now dumbass
2019-11-12 12:44
Russia Islademuerto 
u are crying m8
2019-11-12 12:49
+1 that stupid navi fan only cries
2019-11-12 14:01
Dima | 
Russia Mer1an 
Idiot, navi won 5 tournaments in 2018(top2 after astralis)
2019-11-12 16:28
we are in 2019, wake up
2019-11-12 16:53
Germany the_dukes 
Navi still top 10, cry me a river now toxic bitch
2019-11-13 04:01
Germany the_dukes 
nt fake profile
2019-11-13 04:00
Germany the_dukes 
nt fake profile
2019-11-13 04:00
Russia Islademuerto 
2019-11-14 13:59
Germany the_dukes 
I know you ain't Russian coz your mom screams in urdu
2019-11-14 14:59
Ence didn't fall of until July. Avangar also didn't really fall of
2019-11-12 09:04
Lost against Team Spirit and Havu yesterday
2019-11-12 10:46
Online, who gives a shit. They were always bad online
2019-11-12 11:43
Lost Lan against Cr4zy 2-0
2019-11-12 15:40
2019-11-12 17:13
Finland Love_God 
Ence stayed a top 5 until berlin major, only to be ruined after kicking aleksib.
2019-11-12 09:05
United Kingdom _xC4ctus 
nah they fell off due to aug nerf. shite team relying on augs
2019-11-13 10:30
abloo bloo bloo
2019-11-14 14:10
FaZe went well for a few months but then fell off, only to start climbing back now. Although Cloud9 fell off even worse though and show no signs of recovering.
2019-11-12 12:45
Navi cluj napoca, columbus, faceit finals - 0 won
2019-11-12 12:46
Ence sucks
2019-11-12 13:33
United Kingdom _xC4ctus 
2019-11-13 10:30
Portugal tioNik 
What about NiP? 0/8
2019-11-12 14:02
And faze
2019-11-13 10:21
2019-11-13 04:02
another thing to add is they win a blast pro even after (for the newer ones)
2019-11-13 04:09
faze too
2019-11-13 04:14
and what about navi???
2019-11-14 17:04
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