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Nazism, fascism and communism
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Georgia Broozman 
Should be banned in every country, fuck'em
2019-11-12 12:53
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How do you 'ban' those things LMFAO
2019-11-12 12:55
#3
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Georgia Broozman 
any ideas? XD
2019-11-12 12:56
If u 'ban' something on a political system its banned only on that system, but those very things u banned would have to overtrow the system in order to exist Its like banning swimming on the pool when its empty, u cant do it unless the pool fills anyways
2019-11-12 12:58
#9
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Georgia Broozman 
But it's not fair, that everyone is blaming nazis for their war crimes and that no one cares about USSR, Allies and Italy war crimes
2019-11-12 12:59
And specially america, but they didnt include sistematic genocide as their primary objective
2019-11-12 13:01
#11
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Georgia Broozman 
I know about a lot of USSR and USA war crimed, but they're not judged, cause they're winners, this is not fair at all.
2019-11-12 13:01
Yes but their genocides were means to an end (still wrong, but not to societys eyes) while with the nazis it was the objective
2019-11-12 13:03
USA has never commited any war crimes, stop trying to dirt our reputation.
2019-11-12 13:30
#43
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Georgia Broozman 
yea, ofc...Read about Canicattì massacre, Biscari massacre, Malmedy massacre, Chenogne massacre and others
2019-11-12 13:32
u believe these false accusations for real? u dumb cunt
2019-11-12 13:40
#46
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Georgia Broozman 
yes, and USA never killed innocent people, of course, nice propaganda, you never killed indians, mexicans, vietnamese and others, yeah :)
2019-11-12 13:42
well every fucking country have killed innocent people accidentally but USA never has done it as a criminal act. for example if ur shithead ass would educate and DO REAL RESEARCH of the Canicatti incident you would know better
2019-11-12 13:47
#51
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Georgia Broozman 
<3
2019-11-12 13:51
So what you're saying is that if the US commits a war crime it doesn't count as a crime? Name checks out
2019-11-12 13:55
what im saying that USA has not commited proper "war crimes" unlike other countries and people are ungrateful as fuck, without US help Europe would have been in war for much longer
2019-11-12 15:33
i would consider the genocide of native americans, use of nuclear bombs in Japan and the Agents they used in Vietnam to all be war crimes... and I'm american.
2019-11-12 20:26
don't bother with him, he's such an idiot lol
2019-11-12 22:10
#63
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
Name checks out
2019-11-12 13:59
Name checks out
2019-11-12 14:35
#110
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Belgium Miiyata 
Name:v Flag:v
2019-11-12 14:41
#188
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Sweden katt1n 
Were the nukes fake too then? LOL stupid fucking burger
2019-11-12 20:35
nukes were a tactical weapon in the war, its same as UK bombing berlin for fucking 3 years we just did it more effficiently
2019-11-12 20:46
#96
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China SwooksarV2 
Do u believe the false accusations against china men?
2019-11-12 14:33
please do specify which ones
2019-11-12 15:33
#130
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China SwooksarV2 
Organ harvesting.
2019-11-12 15:48
your country has taken over 1 million muslims as slaves, tortures them and kills them to remove the religion. China is psycothic country
2019-11-17 13:16
#273
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China SwooksarV2 
There is no proof
2019-11-17 15:16
yeah in your country there is nothing on the news of course, cause it is all shut down on the internet by your leader, but the rest of the world knows. But nobody cant do nothing about it cause China has veto and is powerful. If we try to stop it china will shut down all trading with countries. So the world is a fucked up place
2019-11-17 15:21
#275
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China SwooksarV2 
Nt brain washed
2019-11-17 16:12
HAHAHAHA you are literally brain washed by your country i hope your ironic by saying that lmao ahahahahhaa. Your country is doing so much shady shit and everyone knows it. Doesnt mean that you can be a good guy, but dont try to defend your country when its no secret that it has done some shady shit
2019-11-17 16:15
research the Vietnam Tiger Force no need to reply, and tbh i wouldn't be surprised if you didn't after you read up on them, but don't be so quick to say that Americans always represent the pillar of good faith during wars
2019-11-12 21:52
okay idiot, maybe word "any" was a poor choice, yet 1 or 2 war crimes does not change the fact that USA still has a VERY LOW amount of them in its belt. unless you provide a list containing bunch of REAL war crimes whit proper sources which you will be unable to do, you can crawl into the shithole you came bitchass punk
2019-11-12 22:00
lmao how old are you? do you always have difficulty accepting that you're wrong? just google American war crimes and you will have a whole list of specific occurrences that range back to the Civil War.... Americans have absolutely committed vast amounts of war crimes against Native Americans, Japanese, Germans, Koreans, Vietnamese, Iraqi, Afghani, and even our own people. lol it's one thing not to have the knowledge, but it's another to be blatantly ignorant and idiotic about it...
2019-11-12 22:08
lmao how old are you? do you always have difficulty accepting that you're wrong? look what ur writing u daft cunt
2019-11-12 22:08
The fact this is brought up more on HLTV then from the past 12 years I’ve learned about US History pretty much sums up American education.
2019-11-12 14:36
look up Holodomor.
2019-11-14 01:58
I know it and never denied it, soviets and us have a kill count higher then all the others
2019-11-14 06:02
Free speech is a double edged sword mens), you yourself have to work against it. Initiate it with respectful conversations, ask them questions. Ask critical questions without becoming agitated, try to understand and ask critical questions.
2019-11-12 13:02
Oh my sweet jesus christ, someone with a working brain
2019-11-12 13:03
I am here to make stupid and smart comments. A good balance.
2019-11-12 13:04
As all things should be (sorry for normie ass ref and meme)
2019-11-12 13:05
Bruh its okay, stand for what you said. I use reddit f.ex even though its considered "normie" since stoicism and nihilism mix, idgaf what people think. Sometimes you should car))) but not when its not nessescary
2019-11-12 13:09
Thats actually pretty deep, but I cant care anymore Im a 100% cynical nihilistic bastard but thats funny
2019-11-12 13:10
Im like a mix of Optimistic Nihilism, and a mix of Stoicism. But i just do me, world should stop caring about small petty stuff.
2019-11-12 13:11
Haven't you heard - life is not fair 😎
2019-11-12 13:59
or japan
2019-11-12 17:40
I found this comment very funny. "any ideas'' Not according to the op.
2019-11-12 12:59
#186
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Latvia Jancho33 
Well, in my country both Nazi and Soviet symbols are banned.
2019-11-12 20:31
Yes, no, yes
2019-11-12 12:56
#4
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Georgia Broozman 
why no?
2019-11-12 12:56
Because it is not filled with hatred and has some sense behind.
2019-11-12 12:58
#7
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Georgia Broozman 
But it should be judged too. Don't forget what fascist Italy did, yeah, fascism is "better" than nazism, but still XD
2019-11-12 12:59
Yes and Marxism was the base of communism, but the communists fucked it up and twisted it into some bullshit. Karl-Marx was an advocate for freedom of press and free speech, no matter how much you hate it. its true.
2019-11-12 13:03
#17
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Georgia Broozman 
Maybe you're right with it, but USSR was a whole big piece of shit, no freedom, terror, massacres, gulags and e.t.c
2019-11-12 13:04
+1 to that, it was absolute clusterfuck not even close to what karl-marx stood for, i watched a documentary on karl marx and he seemed interesting. He even said that we need capitalism to establish a Karl-marx based system. e
2019-11-12 13:05
#25
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Georgia Broozman 
Good that communism, nazism and fascism fell after WW2
2019-11-12 13:07
Well communism and soviet union fell in the late 90`s basically especially after berlin wall which created a domino effect. Nazism is just stupid, nothing good to it at all. Its all psychological effects, its group pressure, group comformity, and the bystander effect.
2019-11-12 13:08
Marxism was a far worse policy than soviet communism. Marxism is inherently murderous and based around identity politics, the hate for the upper class and the idea life is just employer fighting employee.
2019-11-12 17:21
the communism understander has logged on
2019-11-12 17:41
#164
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France Vilmarh 
Fascist Italy did nothing special. At least, it was not that authoritarian for that time and even less murderous than many states today. I don't deny how dictatorial it was, but it is not even close to Nazism or Communism in term of destruction and brutality. Fascist Italy was not racist, they only made some discriminatory laws to please Germany, but always refused to deport or kill or even imprisonned Jews. They also saved a lot of foreign Jews. People tend to mix Fascism with Nazism just because of some shared believes, but they are in fact really different.
2019-11-12 18:07
#165
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Georgia Broozman 
Yes, I know, nazis are more rude, brutal, hate jews, hate churches and e.t.c
2019-11-12 18:08
You're gonna ignore that Mussolini went to war with Ethiopia to conquer Africa and make Italy great again? He failed, but the intention still counts.
2019-11-14 01:45
#249
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France Vilmarh 
Wake up bro. People went to war all the time for their own profit and still do (except maybe Norway). I never said it was a "good' thing, but historically speaking nothing special. Just a common war for money and power. Also, Mussolini won it in 6 months and Ethiopa was saved by the Allies in 1941. I stand by my words: "not even close to Nazism or Communism in term of destruction and brutality".
2019-11-14 01:54
Amazing false equivocating. War Is not the same as conquering land, plus this was at the 1930's and 40's, colonialism was at an end. More and more British colonies gained independence, idk about France. My point wasn't that he conquered a part of Ethiopia, but that he definetly intended to do so, if he had enough military strength.I was just critiquing your point that "Fascist Italy did nothing special", yeah compared to France, Britain, other non-fascist EU countries at the time, they were way worse. And don't forget Franco in Spain. Terrible times.
2019-11-14 13:08
#18
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Europe jvesper 
lets ban life
2019-11-12 13:04
#23
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Georgia Broozman 
will be too cool)))
2019-11-12 13:05
Join me at Nihilism, best philosophy.
2019-11-12 13:05
Nazism, fascism and communism = rusia fck this! putin=hitler
2019-11-12 13:04
#21
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Georgia Broozman 
True, Russia have nazi regime right now XD
2019-11-12 13:05
#29
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Russia Hellyer 
Lmao
2019-11-12 13:11
#31
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Georgia Broozman 
look at your dictator, bro, he's killing Russia
2019-11-12 13:12
#32
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Russia Hellyer 
But he's not nazist
2019-11-12 13:16
#33
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Georgia Broozman 
look what he did to Russia, Moldavia, Georgia and Ukraine lol
2019-11-12 13:16
#125
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Russia pepols)))) 
+1
2019-11-12 15:08
lol thanks god guys like u exist
2019-11-15 01:20
Streisand effect my DuDe
2019-11-12 13:17
#35
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Georgia Broozman 
cool nickname XD
2019-11-12 13:18
Thanks men))) Yours is cool too.
2019-11-12 13:23
Nazism in Europe will be good. Without nazism, immigrants and refugees in europe will rape, bombings etc. terrorism
2019-11-12 13:19
#44
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Europe twitchy_ 
Yes, because is well known that all immigrants and refugees loves to rape, bombing and play T side on csgo.
2019-11-12 13:39
These kids actually believe this shit now
2019-11-12 13:58
Not cool bro you're generalising. Only about 80% of them do this
2019-11-12 22:19
#65
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
Lmfao yeas. Lets kill refugees and the terrorist attacks will stop 10/10 200iq brain. Also while we are at it. Lets shoot protestors so that no more people protest 😎
2019-11-12 14:02
+1 let's kill millions of innocent people in order to stop terrorism 😎😎👍
2019-11-12 14:48
#115
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
Yes men lets do it 😎😎
2019-11-12 14:50
Hitler predicted about europe is fucked up with immigrants
2019-11-17 13:12
#38
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Russia Rapu 
Broozman, mazepa and Wealthy_Communist. Should be banned on every site, fuck'em.
2019-11-12 13:26
#39
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Georgia Broozman 
flag checks out
2019-11-12 13:26
#40
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Russia Rapu 
Your trio constantly writes all sorts of political nonsense. On the site dedicated to the computer game... I don't think you even know how to play counter-strike.
2019-11-12 13:29
#41
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Georgia Broozman 
This is off-top thread, what do you want? Want cs threads? Then check CS:GO and CS 1.6 threads, good luck
2019-11-12 13:30
+1 it would probably be for their own good
2019-11-12 14:50
#47
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Argentina Ra88it 
I will always say this: thank God for ending Nazism, now we are much but much better, almost living a utopia and a world without poverty and evil
2019-11-12 13:43
cant tell if serious
2019-11-12 13:53
#72
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Argentina Ra88it 
Obviously it is sarcasm, in 1933 people believed that Hitler was a terror for humanity and that when he dies (Nazism next to him) peace would come to the world, 80 years without Nazism and everything is worse
2019-11-12 14:08
#74
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Europe twitchy_ 
Nice try Adolf, we all knew that you was living a second live on Argentina. With all the information that exist nowadays and you think we are worst than then... :facepalm:
2019-11-12 14:12
You think the world is worse off now than it was 80 years ago? Ok then
2019-11-12 14:51
#66
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
4/8 nt
2019-11-12 14:03
fascism is good lol
2019-11-12 13:48
#53
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Georgia Broozman 
your opinion xd
2019-11-12 13:52
okay tell me why fascism is bad
2019-11-12 14:16
Because it devalues the individual, you as a person. is based around strict and unrealistic regimes which cannot work, a lack of any freedom in life, and a very unhappy and unpleasant, unfree and inhumane society. A dictating authoritarian rule over the people, and far too much power to those who do not deserve it
2019-11-12 17:24
basically every regime devalues u as the individual to certain extent, the problem is with the fact that u cannot put one nationality/race over others, this is nonsense, it is insanely artificial. Speaking about being free in a certain regime is lying to yourself, there was a lot more freedom in nazi Germany and in fascist Italy than in most European countries at that point, but freedom can be different, may be freedom of thought or freedom of moving within the country or freedom as a social lift, it really vary from country to country and is not tied up to a regime that much
2019-11-15 01:27
Fascism will only be ended up into wars. If you want war, you want to sacrifice yourself for the wealthy and powerful people in your country, then go ahead.
2019-11-15 01:14
#50
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Russia Jovik! 
Be quiet, what an outrageous scenery. Kid mocks the nice past. How dare you put communism among fascism and Nazism lines? Screw.
2019-11-12 13:50
#52
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Georgia Broozman 
all 3 trash
2019-11-12 13:52
#54
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Russia Jovik! 
In your 17-something years old boy's opinion? Now it's cleared, thanks.
2019-11-12 13:53
+1
2019-11-12 13:54
#60
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Georgia Broozman 
-1
2019-11-12 13:56
Well historically they are very, very unsuccessful and the way that they have been implemented is nothing short of genocide, but ok
2019-11-12 17:25
#157
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France Vilmarh 
Tell me more about all these fascist regimes committing genocides pls.
2019-11-12 17:46
Guess Hitler passed your mind
2019-11-12 19:59
#169
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France Vilmarh 
Saying that fascism = nazism is the same as socialism = communism. Same roots, but totally different ideologies and consequences on people.
2019-11-12 20:03
Nazi germany was a fascist state. Period. Nazism is a subset of fascism
2019-11-12 20:21
#179
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France Vilmarh 
That is exactly what I said. So basically according to you we should ban socialism and everything that derived from it because it caused communism. Then we should also ban any author that influenced or was influenced by nazism/fascism/communism. Let's ban religions as well to avoid extremism subsets, since they all created some. Don't you see a little problem with your reasoning ?
2019-11-12 20:25
Did i author this thread? no. I'm not an advocator for anything stated in it. All i was saying is that nazism, fascism and communism are bad and do not work. Can you ban a political ideology? Of course not, that is absurd, and, although there is much debate, i see socialism as general left wing policies such as medicare for all. And these policies are not bad. Depends if you see Denmark as democratically socialist (so socialism has good qualities) or just see it as it's own capitalism- in which case socialism is just differed communism
2019-11-12 20:32
#193
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France Vilmarh 
Good that you agree on the "unbannable". I would add that not only it is not possible, but shouldn't be wished either. It would take too much time to discuss socialism in general as it is so vast and majority of people will always both disagree on some parts and agree on others. I don't really see Nordic countries as socialists though: they have their own capitalistic system, a variant of Germanic ordoliberalism, with some socialist policies to reduce the inevitable collateral damages of capitalism. But so-called policies are not the core of the ideology at all and they still vote mostly liberal-conservative. Perfect model if you ask me.
2019-11-12 20:50
The perfect model for the Nordic region. Of course, a common mistake certain beings make is that it is an objectively successful system that could be implemented anywhere. Typically, more socialist policies work in smaller, less populated and less wealthy/ corporation centred countries. In the USA you should not just copy and paste Denmark just because it works, and vice versa
2019-11-12 21:29
#237
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Russia Jovik! 
Especially historically, at least communism, was more than just successful. Put a dying country, drowned in famines, onto the leading positions in space program, economy and military. From what they had after massive ruins everywhere.
2019-11-12 23:25
It partially succeeded from an economic and military view, but not if we look at the liberty of the people and abiding by human rights, plus their unfair and evil reign over Eastern Europe. Plus their economic struggles eventually led to the fall of the soviet union. And let us remember this was not communism overcoming capitalism, it was communism overthrowing the monarchy
2019-11-13 18:05
#246
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Russia Jovik! 
It wasn't freedom like in the States but I must say it wasn't dictatorship either, people lived with each other in peace and understanding. You still could do anything you wanted just without leaving the country, it needed you so! The fall of regime was caused by many things, mostly by incompetence of the country's leaders at the time, lifestyle turning into utopia with seemingly nothing new to offer and the pressure from the competing countries as it was still a time of Cold War. Now people live in the same way they lived back then, just with the difference they can leave if they want to but hardly anyone does anyway.
2019-11-14 01:37
You definitely could not do anything you want, communism restricted individuals economically, authoritarian, religions banned, etc etc. Also it was a dictatorship. And people may live similarly in Russia, but let's really think about Hungary, Romania, East Germany.
2019-11-14 21:12
#256
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Russia Jovik! 
You couldn't know much beyond the iron curtains, that was the point. People lived alright, my family comes from there. Too many good memories and happy days to think otherwise. Unless you misbehaved you still could do anything you wanted for life. This I am sure of, and will stand by.
2019-11-15 01:09
Communism does not restrict your freedom, in fact it's about to liberate people, you can do what you really want in your life. CCCP have all those great artworks, novels, poetries, movies, musics, great scientists. In socialism people are raised equally, you have the chance to choose what you want to be, an astronaut, a musician, a artists and so on, unlike in capitalism system poor people can only work in sweat shops or becoming a prostitute in order to survive. Many Chinese also missed the good old days, where people have a great plan, a beautiful dream of building a communist society. People are friendly to their neighbors, just like a big family, share the joys and sadness, not like today the capitalism China where people just care about fucking money and siblings fight each other for heritage, no real friendship and so on. Every elitist fucker just want to go financial sector get rip more money off the poor, factories give zero fuck about the environment nor the health of their workers as long as it generates profit.
2019-11-15 01:25
For the record, China is still communist. And you're describing Marx's communist Utopia. But that isn't what it was. That's a misinformative lie, in reality everyone was in lower financial regard than America, living in a dictating military state which was not in any way free or liberating. You couldn't be whatever you wanted. The equal utopia was wrong, and Marx's analysis of the situation was incorrect. ANd it wasn't absolute happiness, the furthest it got to was ignorance, and we particularly saw this in East Vs West Berlin. Now American capitalism has many issues, and regulations are important- companies should not run a country. America is capitalism out of control. But this is left vs Right, not communism vs capitalism. Trust me, Marx did not want to liberate people or value them as individuals
2019-11-15 19:01
Jovik, should have believed that you were brainwashed when you told me Stalin was a "national hero".
2019-11-12 20:21
#238
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Russia Jovik! 
I think he is and I will stand by it.
2019-11-12 23:26
Always gonna respect your opinion nonetheless my singer friend. Have a good day.
2019-11-13 08:53
#243
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Russia Jovik! 
The least expected reply of all, I'm pierced with so much sympathy for you. Thank you and have a good day, too.
2019-11-14 01:31
Doesn't work in government that protects crime. Works in middle east cause the terrorists and/or government executes gays and stuff like that but not in well developed countries.
2019-11-12 13:54
#58
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Korea OKOptimistic 
Facism > Communism >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitalism & Democracy
2019-11-12 13:54
#61
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United States Hindy 
ummmm, my guy freedom of speech, just dont support it dont ban it
2019-11-12 13:57
#67
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
Why did america outlaw communist parties if muh freedom of speech
2019-11-12 14:05
#70
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United States Hindy 
that was in the 1950s, during cold war.....
2019-11-12 14:06
Thats still no exscuse. It shouldn't have been banned at all
2019-11-12 14:29
#92
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United States Hindy 
we were at war with them, we also had concentration camps for Japanese people during ww2
2019-11-12 14:30
And youre saying that was an okay decision to make? Wtf?
2019-11-12 14:31
#97
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United States Hindy 
it was needed, us was confused and 1940s is a totally different period of time, but i dont think its actuallyright
2019-11-12 14:34
It doesn't make it okay. Infact, I'd argue it makes the US total hypocrites. There is zero evidence to suggest that ethnic japanese would have supported any kind of Japanese invasion - On top of that, banning communism is against everything the US and it's "Freedom" stands for. You cannot ban an idea.
2019-11-12 14:36
#108
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United States Hindy 
see its different at wars, abe lincoln started arresting people who disagreed with him, to protect the formation of US, and he is the number 1 prez, you have to ban ideas at times of crisis, see but now i dont think that would happen at all
2019-11-12 14:39
The Cold War wasn't a time of crisis. At worst it was a time of incredible competition. The average American saw minimal change in quality of life during the cold war, and during world war two, the average Ameran's QOL was much higher. The USA's Territorial integrity was only truly threatened a couple of times throughout the cold war, and not once was it (Credibly) threatened in World War Two. On top of that, banning Communism did absolutely nothing to prevent it's spread. As stated previously, you cannot effectively ban an idea. All it did was stir up political hysteria further, "Communism" was even more of a scape goat than "Alt-Right" or "Nazi"is today. It didn't accomplish anything, and it only gave the real communists more ammunition to use against the government. Lastly, You cannot imprison an entire ethnic minority in the US under some baseless idea of "Disloyalty". It wasn't necessary, in fact, it didn't even accomplish anything. It did nothing but, again, further stir up political and social unrest.
2019-11-12 15:06
#127
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United States Hindy 
i hope you understand i dont agree with the discrimination, and this was happening 65+ years ago
2019-11-12 15:29
#131
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United States Hindy 
But umm Pearl Harbor was very credible, it’s what got USA involved in the war. the Cold War was basically a nuclear war, where both nations were threatening each other constantly, ex: Cuba where they aimed rockets at nyc. And lastly I don’t agree with with imprisonments of ethnicities
2019-11-12 15:56
#111
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
+1 Americans always shout about freedom yet they will make excuses for when they go against their values of freedom. As if it is no different. But great america did it so its fiine. Damn hypocrites.
2019-11-12 14:47
By not supporting it you mean overthrow the Chile democratically elected government in 1970s, sanction Cuba for 5 decades, banned trade with North Korea that leads to millions of people starved to death. US government has been the worst hypocrite, they don't care what other countries 'people' want, they only give them what Americans think is right.
2019-11-15 01:30
#268
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United States Hindy 
Lmao why are u bringing USA’s past on me, I just said freedom of speech, and I don’t support those ideals
2019-11-15 02:57
You want to ban ideas? Because the government should be able to control and punish our thoughts and ideas right?
2019-11-12 14:06
Like in Germany? Flag checks out
2019-11-12 14:06
It doesn't do that in Germany but okay
2019-11-12 14:07
Oh so you are allowed to believe what you want about the holocaust for instance?
2019-11-12 14:13
Yes of course
2019-11-12 14:17
Fakenews. Holocaust denial is a crime in germany.
2019-11-12 14:26
You asked wether or not people are allowed to believe anything and they are
2019-11-12 16:44
Do you believe in the holocaust?
2019-11-12 17:14
yes,why?
2019-11-12 17:15
attaboy, thats the only answer you are allowed to give in your country.
2019-11-12 17:17
What does that matter? I never talked about speech
2019-11-12 17:18
now think of what if holocaust instead was jesus christ or similar and it was illegal to say yes and when that times that it has happened throughout history A belief without a voice to voice it is just a thought
2019-11-12 17:21
This a completely different discussion. I would love Germany to have complete freedom of speech similar to the USA
2019-11-12 17:22
I disagree on both ends. Freedom of speech is wasted on peanut brained peasants
2019-11-12 17:24
So what would you want?
2019-11-12 17:26
I want to eat the rich
2019-11-12 17:38
That doesn't sound very conservative to me
2019-11-12 17:38
why? sweden is historically a social Democratic country being conservative means being left 😎
2019-11-12 18:04
This a completely different discussion. I would love Germany to have complete freedom of speech similar to the USA
2019-11-12 17:22
#86
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
You are allowed to believe whatever. Going around in public and shouting it. Whilist attempting to make a party and/or a group of ppl who believe in the same anti holocaust stuff. Will result in at least public shunning. Yknow. As one person once said "When will you learn that your actions have consequences"
2019-11-12 14:25
Nah bruv, literally a crime to say you dont believe in it regardless what context
2019-11-12 14:27
#90
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
Yeah public denial of holocaust is illegal. What tf do you expect.
2019-11-12 14:29
Just saying that you can ban ideas and his own country is doing it
2019-11-12 17:16
#158
KRIMZ | 
France Vilmarh 
"what tf do you expect" I don't know, actual freedom of speech ? Probably too much to ask.
2019-11-12 17:49
#168
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
he is waste of time he believes that capitalism is a ideology
2019-11-12 20:03
#172
KRIMZ | 
France Vilmarh 
§ 130 Incitement to hatred (1) Whosoever, in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace: 1. incites hatred against a national, racial, religious group or a group defined by their ethnic origins, against segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population or calls for violent or arbitrary measures against them; 2. or assaults the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously maligning an aforementioned group, segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population, or defaming segments of the population, shall be liable to imprisonment from three months to five years.
2019-11-12 20:09
#173
KRIMZ | 
France Vilmarh 
The official law so you see that is even worse than you thought. It literally says that you can go to jail for 5 YEARS for INSULTING a group of people. And this guy thinks this is normal, what a submissive cuck.
2019-11-12 20:11
#174
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
i debated him he claimed that capitalism is part of ideology i posted him proof that it isnt and that capitalism is only economic system then i asked him did you ever lived under communism he didnt answer but he support communism that guy is 20000000 iq
2019-11-12 20:12
#185
KRIMZ | 
France Vilmarh 
Obvious case of a subhuman that can't survive by himself and beg to be deprived of all liberties so he can live under the protection of totalitarian states that decide for him. You always hate capitalism/liberalism and all freedom based systems when you are on the lower-end of natural selection.
2019-11-12 20:30
#190
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
+1
2019-11-12 20:36
#195
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
If i were you i would not believe what that guy says bc he cant comprehend the fact that ideas dont exist in a vaccum. I never said capitalism is not an economic system. And neither did i say it is an ideology. I specifically said that capitalism is a vital part of liberalism which is an ideology. Also nice assumptions.
2019-11-12 21:13
#194
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
Again you huh. Mate just learn to read. Because you clearly cant. I never said capitalism is not an economic system. In fact i did. But also capitalism is a vital part of liberalism. Which is an ideology. Ideas dont exist in an vaccum and they mix together in various ways.
2019-11-12 21:10
#208
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
no u said capitalism is ideology dont try to act that u didnt say it
2019-11-12 21:33
#209
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
No i said capitalism is a part of an ideology. You just misunderstood that and argued for hours on end about a point i never made
2019-11-12 21:35
#211
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
dude u fucking said capitalism is ideology dont try acting up now
2019-11-12 21:38
#212
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
I didnt say that. And if i tried hard enough i could find screenshots of the argument.
2019-11-12 21:38
#213
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
come at it
2019-11-12 21:38
#219
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
2019-11-12 21:44
#220
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
no no scroll up please dont be pussy scroll up more
2019-11-12 21:45
#221
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
Those are all screens i got. I had them saved on my phone. Thats all
2019-11-12 21:46
#222
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
there was one more please before my comment you commented something else
2019-11-12 21:46
#223
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
Well then find it i guess. Bc ion got it.
2019-11-12 21:47
#224
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
how can i find 1 month old thread
2019-11-12 21:48
#225
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
Cant bc this site sucks
2019-11-12 21:51
#226
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
better than reddit half of the comments would be downvoted to ash btw i will admit i am wrong not so many will do it but i will
2019-11-12 21:52
#197
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
All you can do is make big assumptions huh? I never said i think it is normal. All i said that if the majority thinks that such behaviour and believes should be outlawed. Then so be it.
2019-11-12 21:16
#200
KRIMZ | 
France Vilmarh 
"All i said that if the majority thinks that such behaviour and believes should be outlawed. Then so be it." Nice way to defend nazism, I didn't expect that from you. Power to the mob of oppressing minorities through state legal violence :)))
2019-11-12 21:20
#202
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
How exactly did i defend nazism? The decision for such laws wasnt put forward by a mob specifically to opress minorities. But to stop a mob from duing such things. But thats hard to understand bc muh freedom of speech.
2019-11-12 21:24
#207
KRIMZ | 
France Vilmarh 
That is a snake biting its own tail. You say that the law should ban what most people are against, then that the law should prevent most people from acting against minorities. It doesn't make any sense: if most people are in favor or something, that obviousely means that a minority is against. In such unsolvable cases, you should always aim for freedom maximization and less state authoritarianism. But of course as a little communist, you reject such liberal principles and believe that a few people should be able to dictatorially rule over the masses and decide what's best for society and which liberties should be taken :))
2019-11-12 21:30
#203
KRIMZ | 
France Vilmarh 
Also, what a nice little hypocrite you are (nothing new). 21h16 : " I never said i think it is normal. " 14h58 : "nothing wrong with outlawing views which are opressive by nature."
2019-11-12 21:25
#206
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
"nothing wrong with outlawing views which are opressive by nature." Doesnt translate to "i think it is normal" it translates to "i see why they would do it and it is arguably not a bad thing".
2019-11-12 21:30
#210
KRIMZ | 
France Vilmarh 
Exactly what I said. You are playing the hypocrite when exposed on something precise so you don't have to admit it, because you are little coward that can't assume its communist authoritarian believes.
2019-11-12 21:37
#217
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Bulgaria GodHeaven 
told ya mate he is stupid
2019-11-12 21:43
#199
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
Also funny how you try to argue freedom of speech when the original point was about freedom of belief. Which is not prohibited. But allright.
2019-11-12 21:18
#201
KRIMZ | 
France Vilmarh 
Funny how you repeatedly said total bullshit like "You are allowed to believe whatever. Going around in public and shouting it" or "public denial of holocaust is illegal", both things that I just proved wrong.
2019-11-12 21:23
#204
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
YOU can in fact believe it. Belief does not automatically mean you will make it loud and clear to everyone why you think nazis were right. Shouting "HH" or any nazi slogans and/or nazi sympathiser propaganda is illegal. You didnt prove either to be wrong bc both statements are correct. Just bc you copy pasted a law (which i read before making my comments) doesnt make you correct.
2019-11-12 21:27
#218
KRIMZ | 
France Vilmarh 
Both statements are factually incorrect. In the first one you said that you are allowed to go around and publicly shout whatever believes you have, but it is untrue and is not about popular reaction unlike you said. State officials, police and any people recording you and reporting you can sent you to the court where you will face 5 years of imprisonment if you said something offensive toward any group, as well as something supporting, diminushing or denying any Nazi idea. Everything in your statement was either partly incorrect or totally wrong. In the second one you said that "public denial of holocaust is illegal" which is clearly an understatement from someone that had no idea of how the actual laws worked. It has nothing to do with "public" or not, you will get into trouble as long as someone can prove it. And it is clearly far to be limited to "holocaust denial".
2019-11-12 21:43
#228
KRIMZ | 
France Vilmarh 
Btw, It is probably my last argumentative answer. I have talked with you enough to know that you will never admit any wrongdoings and stick to this bullshit ideology that makes you feel a bit less miserable, so these are just "sword strikes into water" as we said in France.
2019-11-12 21:53
It clearly does, on a nation-wise level as well en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Hol..
2019-11-12 14:24
+1
2019-11-12 14:28
#95
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
Read the section on germany. Nowhere does it say you cant believe it and talk about it in private space.
2019-11-12 14:32
You can do both in any country other than in countries from 1984
2019-11-12 14:38
#113
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
And? It really isnt a terrible thing
2019-11-12 14:49
Yes, because oppression based on views is a great thing :/
2019-11-12 14:54
Yes, because oppression based on views is a great thing :/
2019-11-12 14:54
#123
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Yugoslavia seeeed 
No but nothing wrong with outlawing views which are opressive by nature. And last time i checked nazism and holocaust denial go together and are usually based on opressive views. So one should expect at least some sort of consequences if they voice such views.
2019-11-12 14:58
Look I agree with you, and the law but its still banning of an idea/belief
2019-11-12 17:22
#175
KRIMZ | 
France Vilmarh 
So a club premises are not private ? A meeting room isn't private ? A company isn't private ? Internet websites are not private ? Social media groups are not private ? Because in any of the aforementioned places you don't have free speech either and can go to jail if the judges disagree with what you said. Basically the only place where you are free to speak in Germany is your toilets, but probably not for long.
2019-11-12 20:17
Nowhere does it prohibit thought
2019-11-12 17:16
The mere idea of nazism in Germany is all but banned. Germany isn't exactly known for it's freedom of speech.
2019-11-12 14:32
I never talked about speech
2019-11-12 16:45
What??
2019-11-12 14:11
reported for defend holocaust
2019-11-12 14:14
But I didn't do that
2019-11-12 14:18
Nazism is an idea that should be banned. When you question the ban, you corroborate the past.
2019-11-12 14:18
#102
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China SwooksarV2 
0/8
2019-11-12 14:36
When you give the government the power to ban idead you give them the power to tyranize you. You need to learn to think ahead, you're thinking too small
2019-11-12 16:43
baited
2019-11-12 19:08
#159
KRIMZ | 
France Vilmarh 
8/8
2019-11-12 17:50
Banning any ideology is wrong. People should be able to express themselves however they wish. Even more so, there won't be a legit election win for any of these ideologies any time soon, so why implement any mass censorship when they’re no longer even a problem in our timeline?
2019-11-12 14:21
+1 good idea
2019-11-15 01:33
#83
Edward | 
United Kingdom 0outof8 
No lmao
2019-11-12 14:22
no
2019-11-12 14:25
#99
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China SwooksarV2 
Communism in theory is utopia, but we're humans and that perfect system can't be employed in real life. Humans natural nature is greed for power and status, and no human is equal. No one is horned equal.
2019-11-12 14:35
your flag would know the best what communism leads to.
2019-11-12 21:40
#216
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China SwooksarV2 
Yea wasn't really good. So let's praise Deng xiaoping!!!
2019-11-12 21:43
Praising that hobbit, nice joke.
2019-11-15 01:34
OFC we know what will lead us to, a strong, independent country with a bright future.
2019-11-15 01:35
#104
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Georgia Gvprtskvni 
No, there is no point in banning them because it will makes those ideas even more attractive tbh Even pro-russian idiots in our country, we shouldn't ban them either because that's not good for the constitution and the country in general and it'll be one step closer to the authoritarian state, they'll never will arguments anyways But i think those that are spreading false information just for pure manipulation and propaganda, we should really ban them, i mean even UK banned RT and Sputnik for this reaons, so yeah.
2019-11-12 14:37
#105
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Georgia FaZeNika 
No lmao
2019-11-12 14:37
#107
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Sweden Akoulad 
NO!
2019-11-12 14:38
#109
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Norway Trip^^ 
Only ban communism .
2019-11-12 14:39
no
2019-11-12 14:50
All of em are bad.
2019-11-12 14:51
I might add sjw and antifa there...
2019-11-12 14:52
and finns
2019-11-12 17:39
Perkele.
2019-11-12 23:16
#160
KRIMZ | 
France Vilmarh 
Curious to know what do you think about Islam.
2019-11-12 17:51
Idk... depends how literally a muslim takes the quran and all... if modernly, the i dont care, if hard linedly like isis does, then i hate em...
2019-11-12 23:16
Nein
2019-11-12 14:55
ism of peace
2019-11-12 17:17
#152
Aleksib | 
Europe PAAVO 
no?
2019-11-12 17:38
#161
KRIMZ | 
France Vilmarh 
Imagine thinking you can ban ideas lol
2019-11-12 17:51
#163
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Iran Tajik! 
So, you just cherry-pick and ban some ideologies? What a great way to divide people.
2019-11-12 18:04
Nope. Just ban Communism and Socialism only.
2019-11-12 20:07
+1
2019-11-12 20:22
+1
2019-11-15 02:58
Ban commies and "democratic socialists". National socialists are completely fine.
2019-11-12 20:27
move to ukraine if you love fascism
2019-11-12 20:27
#183
Summer | 
China seba13 
Ban ‘evil ppl’s system if u feel happy look
2019-11-12 20:28
#184
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Brazil Smartzilian 
I've heard people saying: ban these ideas, and people saying nope, it's freedom of speech. It's more complex than people wonder: 1. If you go for ban these ideologies the question is: Who gonna do that? The state? I don't trust on people saying what I should think or not, even more a president or some other "authority". 2. If you're in favor of the freedom, this freedom can be taken from you by someone that has a different ideology. The price of the freedom is the constant vigilance. This is why the liberal thought was developed at first. As far as the government exists as we know, there will be always a risk of a crazy guy or group take over the power, even under the democracy's hood.
2019-11-12 20:28
#189
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
New suggestion: Everyone follows the NAP.
2019-11-12 20:36
recreational mcnukes when
2019-11-12 22:01
#242
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
lol you talk like nukes in the hands of private citizens is any worse than nukes in the hands of governments. If we don't stop governments now, worse weapons will probably be developed in the future.
2019-11-14 00:41
bold of you to assume I was joking
2019-11-14 13:26
#191
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Finland LARSONi 
So you ban everything else that is not democratic, sounds democratic.
2019-11-12 20:39
#227
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Brazil renatorib 
philosophy discusses this... it's called Tolerance Paradox. term was created by Karl Popper in their 'The Open Society and Its Enemies' book
2019-11-12 21:53
i think the elite puts an ism on the end of something, if it meants to divide the human race. proooove me wrong.
2019-11-12 21:15
Such ’names‘ do not divide ppl, ppl are already divided by economical/political-based status and those -ism words are created to describe those differences and trends inside.
2019-11-13 11:16
2019-11-12 21:16
#244
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United States Famous_Idaho 
I approve of Nazism
2019-11-14 01:33
i approve the pinochet's free market fascism
2019-11-14 01:41
#253
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Russia F1Z1K 
What's wrong with communism?
2019-11-14 13:10
Idiot proletariat who is well brainwashed by capitalists and defend capitalism. Or maybe just a capitalist or bourgeois.
2019-11-15 01:38
#266
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United States jsxanatos 
says the guy whose country gave us stalin
2019-11-15 01:38
You can't ban the truth, the class struggle, and the historical necessity ;) Socialism will win eventually.
2019-11-15 01:42
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