How do you 'ban' those things LMFAO
If u 'ban' something on a political system its banned only on that system, but those very things u banned would have to overtrow the system in order to exist
Its like banning swimming on the pool when its empty, u cant do it unless the pool fills anyways
And specially america, but they didnt include sistematic genocide as their primary objective
Yes but their genocides were means to an end (still wrong, but not to societys eyes) while with the nazis it was the objective
USA has never commited any war crimes, stop trying to dirt our reputation.
u believe these false accusations for real? u dumb cunt
well every fucking country have killed innocent people accidentally but USA never has done it as a criminal act.
for example if ur shithead ass would educate and DO REAL RESEARCH of the Canicatti incident you would know better
what im saying that USA has not commited proper "war crimes" unlike other countries and people are ungrateful as fuck, without US help Europe would have been in war for much longer
i would consider the genocide of native americans, use of nuclear bombs in Japan and the Agents they used in Vietnam to all be war crimes... and I'm american.
don't bother with him, he's such an idiot lol
Name checks out
nukes were a tactical weapon in the war,
its same as UK bombing berlin for fucking 3 years
we just did it more effficiently
Do u believe the false accusations against china men?
please do specify which ones
Organ harvesting.
your country has taken over 1 million muslims as slaves, tortures them and kills them to remove the religion. China is psycothic country
There is no proof
yeah in your country there is nothing on the news of course, cause it is all shut down on the internet by your leader, but the rest of the world knows. But nobody cant do nothing about it cause China has veto and is powerful. If we try to stop it china will shut down all trading with countries. So the world is a fucked up place
Nt brain washed
HAHAHAHA you are literally brain washed by your country i hope your ironic by saying that lmao ahahahahhaa. Your country is doing so much shady shit and everyone knows it. Doesnt mean that you can be a good guy, but dont try to defend your country when its no secret that it has done some shady shit
research the Vietnam Tiger Force
no need to reply, and tbh i wouldn't be surprised if you didn't after you read up on them, but don't be so quick to say that Americans always represent the pillar of good faith during wars
okay idiot, maybe word "any" was a poor choice, yet 1 or 2 war crimes does not change the fact that USA still has a VERY LOW amount of them in its belt.
unless you provide a list containing bunch of REAL war crimes whit proper sources which you will be unable to do, you can crawl into the shithole you came bitchass punk
lmao how old are you? do you always have difficulty accepting that you're wrong?
just google American war crimes and you will have a whole list of specific occurrences that range back to the Civil War....
Americans have absolutely committed vast amounts of war crimes against Native Americans, Japanese, Germans, Koreans, Vietnamese, Iraqi, Afghani, and even our own people.
lol it's one thing not to have the knowledge, but it's another to be blatantly ignorant and idiotic about it...
lmao how old are you? do you always have difficulty accepting that you're wrong?
look what ur writing u daft cunt
The fact this is brought up more on HLTV then from the past 12 years I’ve learned about US History pretty much sums up American education.
I know it and never denied it, soviets and us have a kill count higher then all the others
Free speech is a double edged sword mens), you yourself have to work against it. Initiate it with respectful conversations, ask them questions. Ask critical questions without becoming agitated, try to understand and ask critical questions.
Oh my sweet jesus christ, someone with a working brain
I am here to make stupid and smart comments. A good balance.
As all things should be (sorry for normie ass ref and meme)
Bruh its okay, stand for what you said. I use reddit f.ex even though its considered "normie" since stoicism and nihilism mix, idgaf what people think. Sometimes you should car))) but not when its not nessescary
Thats actually pretty deep, but I cant care anymore Im a 100% cynical nihilistic bastard but thats funny
Im like a mix of Optimistic Nihilism, and a mix of Stoicism. But i just do me, world should stop caring about small petty stuff.
Haven't you heard - life is not fair 😎
or japan
Yes, no, yes
Because it is not filled with hatred and has some sense behind.
Yes and Marxism was the base of communism, but the communists fucked it up and twisted it into some bullshit. Karl-Marx was an advocate for freedom of press and free speech, no matter how much you hate it. its true.
+1 to that, it was absolute clusterfuck not even close to what karl-marx stood for, i watched a documentary on karl marx and he seemed interesting. He even said that we need capitalism to establish a Karl-marx based system. e
Well communism and soviet union fell in the late 90`s basically especially after berlin wall which created a domino effect. Nazism is just stupid, nothing good to it at all. Its all psychological effects, its group pressure, group comformity, and the bystander effect.
Fascist Italy did nothing special. At least, it was not that authoritarian for that time and even less murderous than many states today. I don't deny how dictatorial it was, but it is not even close to Nazism or Communism in term of destruction and brutality. Fascist Italy was not racist, they only made some discriminatory laws to please Germany, but always refused to deport or kill or even imprisonned Jews. They also saved a lot of foreign Jews.
People tend to mix Fascism with Nazism just because of some shared believes, but they are in fact really different.
You're gonna ignore that Mussolini went to war with Ethiopia to conquer Africa and make Italy great again? He failed, but the intention still counts.
Wake up bro. People went to war all the time for their own profit and still do (except maybe Norway). I never said it was a "good' thing, but historically speaking nothing special. Just a common war for money and power. Also, Mussolini won it in 6 months and Ethiopa was saved by the Allies in 1941.
I stand by my words: "not even close to Nazism or Communism in term of destruction and brutality".
Amazing false equivocating. War Is not the same as conquering land, plus this was at the 1930's and 40's, colonialism was at an end. More and more British colonies gained independence, idk about France. My point wasn't that he conquered a part of Ethiopia, but that he definetly intended to do so, if he had enough military strength.I was just critiquing your point that "Fascist Italy did nothing special", yeah compared to France, Britain, other non-fascist EU countries at the time, they were way worse. And don't forget Franco in Spain. Terrible times.
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Streisand effect my DuDe
Thanks men)))
Yours is cool too.
Nazism in Europe will be good. Without nazism, immigrants and refugees in europe will rape, bombings etc. terrorism
These kids actually believe this shit now
Not cool bro you're generalising. Only about 80% of them do this
+1 let's kill millions of innocent people in order to stop terrorism 😎😎👍
Hitler predicted about europe is fucked up with immigrants
+1 it would probably be for their own good
cant tell if serious
You think the world is worse off now than it was 80 years ago? Ok then
fascism is good lol
okay tell me why fascism is bad
Because it devalues the individual, you as a person. is based around strict and unrealistic regimes which cannot work, a lack of any freedom in life, and a very unhappy and unpleasant, unfree and inhumane society. A dictating authoritarian rule over the people, and far too much power to those who do not deserve it
basically every regime devalues u as the individual to certain extent, the problem is with the fact that u cannot put one nationality/race over others, this is nonsense, it is insanely artificial. Speaking about being free in a certain regime is lying to yourself, there was a lot more freedom in nazi Germany and in fascist Italy than in most European countries at that point, but freedom can be different, may be freedom of thought or freedom of moving within the country or freedom as a social lift, it really vary from country to country and is not tied up to a regime that much
Fascism will only be ended up into wars.
If you want war, you want to sacrifice yourself for the wealthy and powerful people in your country, then go ahead.
That is exactly what I said. So basically according to you we should ban socialism and everything that derived from it because it caused communism. Then we should also ban any author that influenced or was influenced by nazism/fascism/communism. Let's ban religions as well to avoid extremism subsets, since they all created some.
Don't you see a little problem with your reasoning ?
Did i author this thread? no. I'm not an advocator for anything stated in it. All i was saying is that nazism, fascism and communism are bad and do not work. Can you ban a political ideology? Of course not, that is absurd, and, although there is much debate, i see socialism as general left wing policies such as medicare for all. And these policies are not bad. Depends if you see Denmark as democratically socialist (so socialism has good qualities) or just see it as it's own capitalism- in which case socialism is just differed communism
Good that you agree on the "unbannable". I would add that not only it is not possible, but shouldn't be wished either.
It would take too much time to discuss socialism in general as it is so vast and majority of people will always both disagree on some parts and agree on others. I don't really see Nordic countries as socialists though: they have their own capitalistic system, a variant of Germanic ordoliberalism, with some socialist policies to reduce the inevitable collateral damages of capitalism. But so-called policies are not the core of the ideology at all and they still vote mostly liberal-conservative.
Perfect model if you ask me.
The perfect model for the Nordic region. Of course, a common mistake certain beings make is that it is an objectively successful system that could be implemented anywhere. Typically, more socialist policies work in smaller, less populated and less wealthy/ corporation centred countries. In the USA you should not just copy and paste Denmark just because it works, and vice versa
It partially succeeded from an economic and military view, but not if we look at the liberty of the people and abiding by human rights, plus their unfair and evil reign over Eastern Europe. Plus their economic struggles eventually led to the fall of the soviet union. And let us remember this was not communism overcoming capitalism, it was communism overthrowing the monarchy
It wasn't freedom like in the States but I must say it wasn't dictatorship either, people lived with each other in peace and understanding. You still could do anything you wanted just without leaving the country, it needed you so! The fall of regime was caused by many things, mostly by incompetence of the country's leaders at the time, lifestyle turning into utopia with seemingly nothing new to offer and the pressure from the competing countries as it was still a time of Cold War. Now people live in the same way they lived back then, just with the difference they can leave if they want to but hardly anyone does anyway.
You couldn't know much beyond the iron curtains, that was the point. People lived alright, my family comes from there. Too many good memories and happy days to think otherwise. Unless you misbehaved you still could do anything you wanted for life. This I am sure of, and will stand by.
Communism does not restrict your freedom, in fact it's about to liberate people, you can do what you really want in your life. CCCP have all those great artworks, novels, poetries, movies, musics, great scientists. In socialism people are raised equally, you have the chance to choose what you want to be, an astronaut, a musician, a artists and so on, unlike in capitalism system poor people can only work in sweat shops or becoming a prostitute in order to survive. Many Chinese also missed the good old days, where people have a great plan, a beautiful dream of building a communist society. People are friendly to their neighbors, just like a big family, share the joys and sadness, not like today the capitalism China where people just care about fucking money and siblings fight each other for heritage, no real friendship and so on. Every elitist fucker just want to go financial sector get rip more money off the poor, factories give zero fuck about the environment nor the health of their workers as long as it generates profit.
For the record, China is still communist. And you're describing Marx's communist Utopia. But that isn't what it was. That's a misinformative lie, in reality everyone was in lower financial regard than America, living in a dictating military state which was not in any way free or liberating. You couldn't be whatever you wanted. The equal utopia was wrong, and Marx's analysis of the situation was incorrect. ANd it wasn't absolute happiness, the furthest it got to was ignorance, and we particularly saw this in East Vs West Berlin. Now American capitalism has many issues, and regulations are important- companies should not run a country. America is capitalism out of control. But this is left vs Right, not communism vs capitalism. Trust me, Marx did not want to liberate people or value them as individuals
Doesn't work in government that protects crime. Works in middle east cause the terrorists and/or government executes gays and stuff like that but not in well developed countries.
Facism > Communism >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitalism & Democracy
Thats still no exscuse. It shouldn't have been banned at all
And youre saying that was an okay decision to make? Wtf?
It doesn't make it okay. Infact, I'd argue it makes the US total hypocrites.
There is zero evidence to suggest that ethnic japanese would have supported any kind of Japanese invasion - On top of that, banning communism is against everything the US and it's "Freedom" stands for.
You cannot ban an idea.
The Cold War wasn't a time of crisis. At worst it was a time of incredible competition. The average American saw minimal change in quality of life during the cold war, and during world war two, the average Ameran's QOL was much higher.
The USA's Territorial integrity was only truly threatened a couple of times throughout the cold war, and not once was it (Credibly) threatened in World War Two.
On top of that, banning Communism did absolutely nothing to prevent it's spread. As stated previously, you cannot effectively ban an idea. All it did was stir up political hysteria further, "Communism" was even more of a scape goat than "Alt-Right" or "Nazi"is today. It didn't accomplish anything, and it only gave the real communists more ammunition to use against the government.
Lastly,
You cannot imprison an entire ethnic minority in the US under some baseless idea of "Disloyalty". It wasn't necessary, in fact, it didn't even accomplish anything. It did nothing but, again, further stir up political and social unrest.
By not supporting it you mean overthrow the Chile democratically elected government in 1970s, sanction Cuba for 5 decades, banned trade with North Korea that leads to millions of people starved to death. US government has been the worst hypocrite, they don't care what other countries 'people' want, they only give them what Americans think is right.
Like in Germany? Flag checks out
Oh so you are allowed to believe what you want about the holocaust for instance?
Fakenews. Holocaust denial is a crime in germany.
Do you believe in the holocaust?
attaboy, thats the only answer you are allowed to give in your country.
now think of what if holocaust instead was jesus christ or similar and it was illegal to say yes and when that times that it has happened throughout history
A belief without a voice to voice it is just a thought
I disagree on both ends. Freedom of speech is wasted on peanut brained peasants
I want to eat the rich
why? sweden is historically a social Democratic country being conservative means being left 😎
You are allowed to believe whatever. Going around in public and shouting it. Whilist attempting to make a party and/or a group of ppl who believe in the same anti holocaust stuff. Will result in at least public shunning.
Yknow. As one person once said "When will you learn that your actions have consequences"
Nah bruv, literally a crime to say you dont believe in it regardless what context
Just saying that you can ban ideas and his own country is doing it
§ 130 Incitement to hatred
(1) Whosoever, in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace:
1. incites hatred against a national, racial, religious group or a group defined by their ethnic origins, against segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population or calls for violent or arbitrary measures against them;
2. or assaults the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously maligning an aforementioned group, segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population, or defaming segments of the population,
shall be liable to imprisonment from three months to five years.
Obvious case of a subhuman that can't survive by himself and beg to be deprived of all liberties so he can live under the protection of totalitarian states that decide for him.
You always hate capitalism/liberalism and all freedom based systems when you are on the lower-end of natural selection.
If i were you i would not believe what that guy says bc he cant comprehend the fact that ideas dont exist in a vaccum. I never said capitalism is not an economic system. And neither did i say it is an ideology. I specifically said that capitalism is a vital part of liberalism which is an ideology.
Also nice assumptions.
That is a snake biting its own tail. You say that the law should ban what most people are against, then that the law should prevent most people from acting against minorities. It doesn't make any sense: if most people are in favor or something, that obviousely means that a minority is against.
In such unsolvable cases, you should always aim for freedom maximization and less state authoritarianism. But of course as a little communist, you reject such liberal principles and believe that a few people should be able to dictatorially rule over the masses and decide what's best for society and which liberties should be taken :))
YOU can in fact believe it. Belief does not automatically mean you will make it loud and clear to everyone why you think nazis were right.
Shouting "HH" or any nazi slogans and/or nazi sympathiser propaganda is illegal.
You didnt prove either to be wrong bc both statements are correct. Just bc you copy pasted a law (which i read before making my comments) doesnt make you correct.
Both statements are factually incorrect.
In the first one you said that you are allowed to go around and publicly shout whatever believes you have, but it is untrue and is not about popular reaction unlike you said. State officials, police and any people recording you and reporting you can sent you to the court where you will face 5 years of imprisonment if you said something offensive toward any group, as well as something supporting, diminushing or denying any Nazi idea. Everything in your statement was either partly incorrect or totally wrong.
In the second one you said that "public denial of holocaust is illegal" which is clearly an understatement from someone that had no idea of how the actual laws worked. It has nothing to do with "public" or not, you will get into trouble as long as someone can prove it. And it is clearly far to be limited to "holocaust denial".
It clearly does, on a nation-wise level as well
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Hol..
Look I agree with you, and the law but its still banning of an idea/belief
So a club premises are not private ? A meeting room isn't private ? A company isn't private ? Internet websites are not private ? Social media groups are not private ?
Because in any of the aforementioned places you don't have free speech either and can go to jail if the judges disagree with what you said. Basically the only place where you are free to speak in Germany is your toilets, but probably not for long.
The mere idea of nazism in Germany is all but banned. Germany isn't exactly known for it's freedom of speech.
What??
reported for defend holocaust
Nazism is an idea that should be banned. When you question the ban, you corroborate the past.
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Banning any ideology is wrong. People should be able to express themselves however they wish.
Even more so, there won't be a legit election win for any of these ideologies any time soon, so why implement any mass censorship when they’re no longer even a problem in our timeline?
Communism in theory is utopia, but we're humans and that perfect system can't be employed in real life. Humans natural nature is greed for power and status, and no human is equal. No one is horned equal.
your flag would know the best what communism leads to.
Yea wasn't really good. So let's praise Deng xiaoping!!!
Praising that hobbit, nice joke.
OFC we know what will lead us to, a strong, independent country with a bright future.
No, there is no point in banning them because it will makes those ideas even more attractive tbh
Even pro-russian idiots in our country, we shouldn't ban them either because that's not good for the constitution and the country in general and it'll be one step closer to the authoritarian state, they'll never will arguments anyways
But i think those that are spreading false information just for pure manipulation and propaganda, we should really ban them, i mean even UK banned RT and Sputnik for this reaons, so yeah.
and finns
Nein
ism of peace
Nope.
Just ban Communism and Socialism only.
Ban commies and "democratic socialists". National socialists are completely fine.
move to ukraine if you love fascism
I've heard people saying: ban these ideas, and people saying nope, it's freedom of speech.
It's more complex than people wonder:
1. If you go for ban these ideologies the question is: Who gonna do that? The state? I don't trust on people saying what I should think or not, even more a president or some other "authority".
2. If you're in favor of the freedom, this freedom can be taken from you by someone that has a different ideology. The price of the freedom is the constant vigilance. This is why the liberal thought was developed at first.
As far as the government exists as we know, there will be always a risk of a crazy guy or group take over the power, even under the democracy's hood.
i think the elite puts an ism on the end of something, if it meants to divide the human race.
proooove me wrong.
Such ’names‘ do not divide ppl, ppl are already divided by economical/political-based status and those -ism words are created to describe those differences and trends inside.
Blitz ehheheheheheeh youtube.com/watch?v=NPs2IXlDxRk
I approve of Nazism
i approve the pinochet's free market fascism
Idiot proletariat who is well brainwashed by capitalists and defend capitalism.
Or maybe just a capitalist or bourgeois.
You can't ban the truth, the class struggle, and the historical necessity ;)
Socialism will win eventually.
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