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is Flamie problem?
Ukraine ksubisz 
Is flamie the real NaVis problem? His impact is meh since 2016 plus he seems to be beta crybaby. Remember that zeus won a major with bunch of bots but lost 3 major finals with flamie 0-2 without any chance, maybe its flamies loser mentality strikes every time. Btw zeus lost that 3 major finals with different teammates except flamie
2019-11-12 17:03
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2019-11-12 17:04
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2019-11-12 17:04
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
flamie is a god during the majors, idk why hes so bad the rest of the time though
2019-11-12 17:05
I think he won enough good tournaments and major is only what he cares full, he lost 2 major finals already
2019-11-12 17:08
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2019-11-12 17:11
Wow, i forgot about Cluj Napoca
2019-11-12 17:13
that has to be frustating
2019-11-12 18:14
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Russia seized_goat 
He’s not even that bad He has 1.06 rating on big events while being support
2019-11-12 17:16
#26
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
issue with that is he isnt meant to be a support, he used to be navis best player and now because of his seemingly poor work ethic he drops off, and so does navi
2019-11-12 17:18
#52
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South Africa nimmaJ 
And it's not as if hes a great support. His nade work and team play arent that great
2019-11-12 17:42
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Germany naeqode 
"nade work" has nothing to do with support role. Thats just what you heard somewhere sometime and now you, like thousands of other bots, keep repeating it. Support = Plays bitchroles. Bitchroles = Shit CT spots and going in first on T side so that your best player can bait you and play the laterounds himself rather than dying first. Thats what support is. "Throwing nades" has fuck all to do with it.
2019-11-12 17:56
#87
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South Africa nimmaJ 
The support role is doing whatever is possible to enable the stars of your team. The player should excel at non mechanical aspects of the game in order to do so. Sometimes what's needed is a bait, sometimes its just to play passive and hold an angle, sometimes its setting up the utility for the execute. So yes nade usage can make you a better support player. Throwing nades is a very important aspect of the game it doesnt have "fuck all" to do with anything, its integral. The fact that you think the role is so cut and dry is just ignorant. The supportive players will do different things in every team. In some they lurk in some they entry and in some they even AWP like 100T The support doesnt go in first on every team. Many teams still have pure entry fraggers. Supports like xyp9x and flusha never get baited and largely base their play around smart nade usage and positioning.
2019-11-12 18:19
If flamie is your worst player on paper that's a great problem to have, right now Botian is the problem. +sh1ro already.
2019-11-12 17:05
what? the guy who never played vs top20 teams? if they kick guardian s1mple will be back to awp and the pick some experienced rifler
2019-11-12 17:07
#12
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South Africa nimmaJ 
You know last year zywoo hadnt played vs top 20 teams right? You can notice talent at lower tiers and cultivate it, that's how teams become great
2019-11-12 17:09
zywoo was picked by french rejects lol. And you want sh1ro without any experience to NaVi who are about to lose s1mple is they keep losing
2019-11-12 17:10
#29
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South Africa nimmaJ 
The point of getting sh1ro is so the team can have an actual AWPer because guardian isnt performing. And are you even a fan of Navi or rather do you even follow the scene? S1mple just resigned for another year with Navi, they have time to develop a player, what they're currently doing is not going to be an elite team. Zywoo was just an example. Brehze was relatively unknown in 2017 now hes a top 10 player. If you make the right choices and develop the player properly that's how you create an elite team
2019-11-12 17:28
jR is best option for NaVi if they want some experienced calm teammate + he can help boombitch with calls. if they pick sh1ro they will be bunch of toxic kids and will fall off like in 2017
2019-11-12 17:30
Finally some love to my boy jR. but nope, not navi jR, navi should invest on sexpower.
2019-11-12 17:32
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South Africa nimmaJ 
jR was a good option maybe 1.5 years ago when there was less CIS AWPers hes past his prime and individually hes quite medicore for what Navi wants to be in the first place. On top of that his teams were never tactical anyway, they were known got aggression and pace. He wouldnt add much that Navi doesnt already do/know
2019-11-12 17:38
I don't want him as igl, but the guy still is grinding and i do think he is still a "okish" awper for any cis team to pick up, except navi, but right now... even him is better than guardian current form, if he is just the support awper i don't see a problem, but navi could get much more with sexpower. edit: sh1ro is not a good option as of now bcuz boombl4 is still developing as igl (imo, he is the second one to go after guardian if shit hits the fan), and bringing in a developing awper in the mix is not good.
2019-11-12 18:51
#36
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South Africa nimmaJ 
You're just completely speculating on personalities, sh1ro has shown no sign of toxicity and that's clearly the direction Navi want to go, highly mechanical, that's why they brought guardian in in the first place. JR is so weak frag wise compared to sh1ro, he would get destroyed by tier 1 AWPers
2019-11-12 17:33
Then you have xsepower which is far more experienced, and far more impactful than sh1ro which is pure form of stathunter
2019-11-12 17:31
#39
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Also a good option, point is guardian isnt working and theres a bunch of CIS AWPs with high potential
2019-11-12 17:34
#53
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Lmao French rejects that have been the best French team and top 8 for almost a year now
2019-11-12 17:43
but that time they got picked by vitality they were tier 2 french rejects kicked even from trash2 and botvyus
2019-11-12 17:44
#55
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South Africa nimmaJ 
And your point is? Fnatic was ranked 19th or smth 3 months ago. Things change
2019-11-12 17:45
they got nothing to lose by pickiing zywoo if he would play bad because they wasnt meant to be elite tier 1 team
2019-11-12 17:45
#59
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Yes they were
2019-11-12 17:47
HASHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH rpk happy nbk were meant to be tier1 after kicked from G2 and Envy? Jesus you are delulded as fuck
2019-11-12 17:48
my point is that its very high risky to pick unexperiienced guy in such team like NaVi with that pressure. It can ruin him if he has weak mentaliity and ruin team
2019-11-12 17:48
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South Africa nimmaJ 
It's also useless to keep guardian around when hes hitting career lows. I'd rather pick the option that actually has an upside rather than stagnate.
2019-11-12 17:48
they brought guardian 1 month ago for 300k $ he will stay at least till major
2019-11-12 17:49
#66
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Annnd?
2019-11-12 17:49
jesus you think its that easy to buy guy for 300k and kick him in 1 month for some tier3 unproven onliner? if they wanted some 1.3 rating pugger they would pick ur shiro 1 month ago but they choose experience
2019-11-12 17:52
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South Africa nimmaJ 
And experience is failing. Hes not doing anything impactful individually or with his team. The point of getting an experienced player is that it takes less time to develop but guardian is only declining I'd rather have an onliner than a washed up AWPer at least hed perform good in SOME games and gradually improve. Guardian is past his prime and isnt doing what he needs to be. After the major they should boot him unless theres a serious turn around. Sh1ro and xsepower are only going to get more expensive
2019-11-12 17:54
judging by 2 events lol. Guardian was alright at Malmo and pro league. He will have his time at least till the next major. Too expensive to just kick him after 2 bad events
2019-11-12 17:56
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Not really talking about the logistics of it. I'm more focused on what the best move/roster they could have is. And right now guardian isnt it. If he doesnt turn it around in the next few tournaments they'll start the process
2019-11-13 17:51
plus zywoo was already fpl god smurfing there with 1,5 rating sh1ro not even at fplc, playing vs tier 3-4 teams with 1.3 rating + baits a lot like jame
2019-11-12 17:17
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South Africa nimmaJ 
I mean they're already top 30 and theyve been together for less than 6 months
2019-11-12 17:30
top30 lmao big achievement
2019-11-12 17:31
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South Africa nimmaJ 
It really is. Lmk what you're top 30 in the world in under 6 months of real practice. With an avg age of 18 too, they're gonna be in elite teams in the future
2019-11-12 17:36
hahahah ruskis in elite teams lmao
2019-11-12 17:37
show me one ruski who played in elite teams except NaVi only jame but its also cis team speaking russian and avangar kind of fluke
2019-11-12 17:38
#50
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South Africa nimmaJ 
But the point is IT IS NAVI so they CAN and SHOULD be elite. You don't even have any arguments left. Theres pretty much no downside to replacing guardian with a young AWP. His experience is hardly showing it's not like hes enabling other players. S1mpletronic still has to carry
2019-11-12 17:41
major downside because s1mple gave up awp because he thought guradian would be better. If the new awp plays bad at start s1mple will bully him and navi will fall of like in 2017. They need pretty good leader to deal with all toxicity s1mple, elec and flamie brings and boombla is beta male so its impossible. They need jR to calm their asses
2019-11-12 17:43
#64
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South Africa nimmaJ 
jR is just way too weak individually to be on a tier 1 team. That's why hes been stuck in tier 3 for years. Navi needs a 3rd fragger s1mple can frag with any gun
2019-11-12 17:49
jR never had good teammates and he was carrying when vega was playing at majors
2019-11-12 17:49
#68
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Suuuure... hltv.org/stats/players/events/8786/jR?ma.. Confirmed delusion
2019-11-12 17:51
not bad at Faceit major sh1tro got same rating at cis minor vs some dreameaters xdd
2019-11-12 17:53
#75
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Wow 1 below average tournament. Definite sign he should be in Navi. Lmao is that all you got?
2019-11-12 17:55
i base on his FPL perfomance. He is smurfing there with 1.2 rating playing better than pros in tier1 teams. Just watch his stream, he is hitting almost every awp shot. Btw its much easier to play without IGLing
2019-11-12 18:02
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Official matches > stream and fpl
2019-11-12 18:13
#86
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Europe black1ch 
Dosia 1 major
2019-11-12 18:14
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United Kingdom YOUR_BOSS 
won major with bots lmao XGOD will rape u and Godren will cut ur face
2019-11-12 17:05
adren was good only that major, its his lifetime peak. Rest events he was 0.9 kd bot
2019-11-12 17:08
yes but u said with bots. so u r wrong. hobbit played well and mou was insane with his clutches and flicks . but now they suck ...
2019-11-12 17:13
didn't you think its zeus made them so good? after they kicked him even their individual game became dogshit
2019-11-12 17:18
ofc Zeus did his impact he is greatest cis igl
2019-11-12 18:20
Navis playstyle is a problem. Cannot win in CS 2019 without teamplay and strategies. s1mple is #1, but hes playstyle make a lot of harm for the other team.
2019-11-12 17:06
boombla not that good igl. He play default t side and his playstyle is based on s1mples and electronic skill
2019-11-12 17:09
I dont see the difference referring to zeus's igl
2019-11-12 17:33
the difference is zeus knew how to keep this team together and prevent toxicity cause he was true leader. With boombla we can see mad 2015 s1mple again, flamie and guardian tilted, electronic also rages
2019-11-13 17:55
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Nah performance isnt the issue its protocols and cohesion. They lose so many advantageous situations simply because they dont work together. The only one who actively tries to set up plays is boombl4, the rest just default to their spots and look for duels. They also lack really detailed executes to finish.
2019-11-12 17:08
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Ukraine fastiq 
flamie began to play better after zeus left
2019-11-12 17:11
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Serbia Cosa_The_Serb 
I think that the problem with Na'Vi is the toxic environment , nobody can get their head in the game if they just argue all the time. If you watch teamspeak of Gambit and Na'Vi you can see a big difference. In the Gambit team speak everyone is chill but properly communicating , but in the Na'Vi teamspeak everyone is talking with no motivation whatsoever and like they just don't give a shit.
2019-11-12 17:12
they need someone whom they would respect and be scared of to calm them everytime. Ye i think navi maybe the worst team if judge by healtly team chemistry. They are all toxic, selfish, cocky and crybabies
2019-11-12 17:21
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Russia seized_goat 
0/8 Flamie is always doing crucial frags I mean he may not drop 30 bombs every single time, but when his frag is important to win the round - I’m 100% sure he won’t fail
2019-11-12 17:13
hahahhah i remember when he lost a lot of duels not killing in back with awp
2019-11-12 17:22
#45
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Russia seized_goat 
Clip pls
2019-11-12 17:38
google
2019-11-12 17:39
#19
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Ukraine 30m81e 
Zeus von a major because he drilled that bots a couple of months non stop before it happen.
2019-11-12 17:13
#21
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Brazil fuNNa 
s0mple
2019-11-12 17:14
Yes, kick that tilting bot
2019-11-12 17:15
tbh, s1mple is the problem. He is known to be toxic in the team and that tilts guardian.
2019-11-12 17:32
#57
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Russia ToughGuy 
source: trust me bro?
2019-11-12 17:46
#88
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Europe black1ch 
source: starlader admin
2019-11-12 18:17
#95
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South Africa nimmaJ 
I'd rather have a toxic s1mple that can carry than a weak minded low fragging guardian who tilts
2019-11-13 17:54
flag checks out
2019-11-12 17:49
flamie is not the problem, this guy has a lot of impact frags during when it matters the most
2019-11-12 17:34
- Flamie + Zeus
2019-11-12 17:36
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Romania Cuntstantin 
s1mple is the problem he has too much freedom and the org is too scared of him leaving so they let him do whatever he wants. They promised a structured roster with the arrival of b1ad3 as coach but how comes s1mple is still allowed to rage at his teammates like he did, he needs an authority figure
2019-11-12 17:36
#46
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Ukraine beazztov 
Best possible navi roster: s1mple qikert Jame electronic somedieyoung And 2nd CIS roster: Boombl4 sh1ro buster xsepower AdreN
2019-11-12 17:38
1st roster is godlike but will never happen unless NaVi decide to spend like few millions and avangar want to lose their best players
2019-11-12 17:59
#49
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Europe vvitozz 
I am beta crybaby too
2019-11-12 17:39
guardian is the problem mate
2019-11-12 17:47
vitaliy cyka boyka fucking bitch,come back my knife and for my friend 30 dollars, fucking bitch
2019-11-12 17:51
i feel like flamie is playing just for money, he always shows expensive clothes, cars etc
2019-11-12 17:53
+1
2019-11-12 17:57
Flamie is good and cute
2019-11-12 17:55
I agree with you here.
2019-11-12 17:56
xsepower / disbalance - awp boombI4 - igl s1mple - lurk, support electronic - lurk, support somedieyoung / flamie - entry
2019-11-12 17:59
#83
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Canada suzi 
I thought flamie has been playing well lately
2019-11-12 18:00
#90
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Europe black1ch 
Well they changed 2 players who were considered as dead weights, but results didnt changed so problem is in 3 core players, not flamie alone.
2019-11-12 18:21
but flamie is the only core NaVi player since 2014 other players were changed trough years. And navi didn't manage to win major with any roster
2019-11-13 17:53
true, he stole snax' breakfast too
2019-11-12 18:51
Nien
2019-11-13 18:40
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