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Do you think there should be gender equality ? I do. I dont see why we should pay less to women if they are as qualified. Also think about it in other aspects.
2019-11-16 17:22
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I do think there should be gender equality, and there already is. If one side is more privileged its females.
2019-11-16 17:24
blackpill 2000x
2019-11-16 17:29
#17
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Russia seized_goat 
This. Also I would like to stop racism. Some African or middle-eastern immigrant would easily move to eu, while I should spend over 3 years of my life to get all the permissions, language qualification, job etc, and they’ll be sitting on their ass and collecting welfare
2019-11-16 17:31
#58
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Reunion AlexTenebrae 
How dare you to even think about leaving Russia? You must fight against Ukraine/Syria/ any else country in de_world and be drunk all days in ur life mens))) I'm calling kgb btw
2019-11-16 18:35
#60
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Guatemala Nicaraqua 
gulag
2019-11-16 18:39
#71
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Iran Tajik! 
Sounds like you are talking about the U.S.
2019-11-16 19:14
#84
RpK | 
France KepleR82b 
Are you envying refugees? xd
2019-11-16 20:26
+10^10
2019-11-16 17:56
#47
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World ZMDR 
+1
2019-11-16 18:13
#73
FalleN | 
Brazil dmn1 
0/8 nt incel
2019-11-16 19:36
#87
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Argentina Joedash 
people talking about difference in salary when women take less risky jobs than men does lol, and they even work less hours in the same jobs that men work(talking about the women who get "less salary")
2019-11-16 20:27
#2
Europe 322iq 
no in terms of wages.. because of many reasons.. women are different from men and they are better at some things than men, and we as men are superior at some parts of life as well... when it comes to working man>woman, so no.
2019-11-16 17:24
Working is a really broad term though. Are you saying physical work? Because like just saying work is counting in for example childcare and things like that
2019-11-16 17:26
#98
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Argentina Joedash 
i think he's talking about physical jobs
2019-11-16 20:32
Nt sexist
2019-11-16 19:04
its jing and jang
2019-11-16 17:25
#4
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Finland Vkims 
Sure IF they are as qualified...
2019-11-16 17:25
I didn't know gender equality was a topic of debate. Are there reasons why some humans should be paid less than others?
2019-11-16 17:25
#6
Thorin | 
United Kingdom Areashi 
So your only logic is that because someone has the same qualifications they should be paid the same. Alright, what if one performs better than the other?
2019-11-16 17:25
Women are paid the same amount as men. Assuming they have the same position/job But women work less hours and tend to choose jobs that pay less. Like child care.
2019-11-16 17:28
More hours = more pay. Im talking about same hours = different pay.
2019-11-16 17:30
#12
Thorin | 
United Kingdom Areashi 
Maybe in the most remedial jobs. In higher-level positions experience matters much more than qualifications.
2019-11-16 17:31
Most people work the remedial jobs. Not everyone can be the boss.
2019-11-16 17:34
#30
Thorin | 
United Kingdom Areashi 
Then let us take a look at builders for example. If there are 2 workers - 1 male, 1 female - and if the man can naturally lift and work more, should he not get paid more? This isn't sexism, it's nature.
2019-11-16 17:48
Then the female is not as qualified. Female programmer or female cashier is k Just as qualified if they show it in the interview. Why pay less.
2019-11-16 17:52
#33
Thorin | 
United Kingdom Areashi 
No, it means her performance is worse. Qualifications are not a perfect or even a sufficient indicator for performance.
2019-11-16 17:55
They are. People are firing people with shit performance all the time. Im talking about females who perform just as well as her workmates.
2019-11-16 18:06
#55
Thorin | 
United Kingdom Areashi 
If that's the case then yes they should get paid the same assuming all other things equal. Also, it's funny that you think qualifications are a good indicator of performance, clearly you haven't done much/any research on it.
2019-11-16 18:26
Being qualified and performing well are very very very individual.
2019-11-16 19:35
#77
Thorin | 
United Kingdom Areashi 
And they are also huge causes of differences in pay in industries. There are others but you're welcome to research them yourself if it's of interest to you. weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/an-economist-.. this could be a good place to start.
2019-11-16 20:17
This is barely a criteria for men why should it be for women? Its not like u have your job interview in a gym where they test how strong you are.
2019-11-16 17:59
#56
Thorin | 
United Kingdom Areashi 
It's not meant to be a criterion. It's a measure of hypothetical performance. If someone does more work, then naturally they should get paid more.
2019-11-16 18:27
Yeah but you act like men are held up to hypothetical performance. For most jobs you get away with being mediocre and average so imo this argument is void
2019-11-16 18:36
#67
Thorin | 
United Kingdom Areashi 
I don't act like men are held up to performance measures. I'm saying everyone is as long as they work in a job worth working in. Someone who doesn't deliver results will either get fired or put into a lower position with less responsibilities/less pay. A business has an interest in keeping costs down after all.
2019-11-16 19:03
Thank you for saying that your own argument is void for this discussion.
2019-11-16 19:05
#70
Thorin | 
United Kingdom Areashi 
I think you should rename to Average_Liberal.
2019-11-16 19:13
I'm not liberal though.
2019-11-16 20:46
you hired 2 person to do the same job, why would you pay more just because he works more? you hired them to work for a certain amount of time, it's all good as long as the minimum amount of work needed for each person is achieved. if one is doing more work than the other, just give the person a performance bonus.
2019-11-19 17:13
Because if 1 is doing extra stuff around the office, staying until seniors leave alongside being a more productive employee overall it's much better than a normal employee which does the bare minimum and leaves before everyone else.
2019-11-19 19:55
he already signed contract by then though? contract that already states the salary. the problem of gender inequality in jobs is that the starting salary is smaller. how can you be doing extra stuff around the office, staying until seniors leave alongside being a more productive employee if you are still on the process of applying for the job?
2019-11-19 20:05
What? You can renegotiate your salary at set intervals (at the least). This is naturally helped if you're a helpful, likeable and productive employee.
2019-11-19 20:12
#13
Tomato | 
Europe boys 
yeah but there is no gender wage gap so idk why you even bring it up
2019-11-16 17:31
There was just recently a case where some gay guy was slashed on his pay down to the level of the other females. I am sure there us other corps doing the same shit but just havent been caught.
2019-11-16 17:35
That's a myth. Same hours (same position) = Same pay Except in sports/entertainment ofc
2019-11-16 17:31
So you already broke ur myth.
2019-11-16 17:33
Same value = same remuneration, on average.
2019-11-16 17:42
Male sports usually have more competitors and get more viewers than female sports. Therefore male sport racks in more money. It's simply a matter of peoples choices, not the coorporations being sexist.
2019-11-16 17:47
True. He just made it sound wrong. In business where the audience makes the money is not really about gender. Female team of some sport can make more money than male team if they have success. But that is really not traditional and open for everyone work.
2019-11-16 17:56
See? This is why you can't talk to feminists. Instead of responding to your argument they just say something random.
2019-11-16 17:56
What do you mean random ? He says everyone gets paid the same OH BUT EXCEPT THIS AND THIS. also im not a feminist lol.
2019-11-16 17:59
So a smart person would set aside the outliers, sports and other entertainment, and continue the conversation. I'm done with this conversation, but maybe next time you can use proper arguments ;)
2019-11-16 18:02
What do you even mean. I never brought up the outliers but you did. I only used those to convey my point and looks like it worked since you went all defensive and backed off.
2019-11-16 18:13
Ok boomer
2019-11-16 18:13
Would be funny if i was actually boomer. Thats isnt argument tho so cya boy.
2019-11-16 18:19
Well, if two people work the same amount of time, at the same job, with the same position and one of them continuously create more value than the other, then he/she should be paid more than the other.
2019-11-16 18:01
Why only equality between female and males? There should be equality between all genders
2019-11-16 17:29
good thing there are only 2 genders then xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa
2019-11-16 17:31
if you do less work, you get paid less simple as that
2019-11-16 17:31
Gender equality shouldn't have any external government-funded nor lobby-powered institutions, men and women should have the exact same recognized rights in the Constitution and THATS IT, no Humans right council, no women's ministry, none of that populist nonsense. Im fully against any sort of control or regulation in prices, wages, labour schedule or hiring parameters, that will be up to the privates so long as they're all consenting adults. You don't know what you want, young one.
2019-11-16 17:38
As long as they are qualified, pay the same.
2019-11-16 17:41
You shouldn't enforce that with government force, you're no one to determine that. The payer and the salaried should arrange that. If a woman can negotiate a higher salary than an identically valued male counterpart, she should be able to and vice-versa. People like you should never hold any governing power, i hope they stop getting so much of it.
2019-11-16 17:43
#22
COCAINE | 
Mongolia bozgor 
if you ever had a proper job you would realise how retarded the thing is you wrote xaxaxa
2019-11-16 17:39
Darnit guess my jobs werent real after all
2019-11-16 17:41
#27
COCAINE | 
Mongolia bozgor 
flipping burgers and cleaning toilets is real, just not proper kackackac
2019-11-16 17:43
Well i never worked as any of those. I worked as a plumber before i got into a new school. But okay if you sleep better.
2019-11-16 17:47
#31
COCAINE | 
Mongolia bozgor 
harrharrharr, imagine being a melós
2019-11-16 17:52
So you ran out of arguments. Cya son.
2019-11-16 17:57
#38
COCAINE | 
Mongolia bozgor 
reddit huehuehue
2019-11-16 17:58
Equality yes Equity no
2019-11-16 18:03
#49
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France daniel19 
equality no equity yes
2019-11-16 18:15
nt communist
2019-11-16 18:39
#45
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Europe tweekzter 
Sure there should be equality. If you work as hard you should earn the same. But think about it from the perspective of a boss of a small company with 2 or 3 employees. Imagine one of your most important employees gets pregnant. Would you hire the man or the woman?
2019-11-16 18:08
If women get paid less than why isn’t the workforce made of mostly women?
2019-11-16 18:18
he's baiting don't bite
2019-11-16 18:23
There is already equal pay between genders
2019-11-16 18:19
#54
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Poland Julka 
Sex shouldn't matter, it should all be about individual aspects.
2019-11-16 18:23
Well, women gets pregnant and have their perioed every month which might affect the work
2019-11-16 18:26
Yes
2019-11-16 18:40
yes
2019-11-16 18:40
Aaaand this is why canada is going to shits and trudeau was re-elected. These pussy bitch ass lubtard canuck fuks. I want out of this country now.
2019-11-16 18:44
?? you saying if a girl and a guy works at mcdoandsl the guy should make more?
2019-11-16 18:45
She shouldnt even be allowed to work. Let alone vote. Pregnant barefoot in the kictchen with a god damn gag in her mouth so she can stfu. We do that and the qest will be saved.
2019-11-16 19:58
#82
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France daniel19 
he sounds a bit mad
2019-11-16 20:24
yes its a 0/8
2019-11-16 20:24
There shouldnt be. Look what gender equality has brought sweden. Swdistan.
2019-11-16 18:41
#74
FalleN | 
Brazil dmn1 
yes
2019-11-16 19:37
yes we need gender equality and islam religion of peace all refugees come to sweden pls for gender equality
2019-11-16 19:40
islam religion of peace? Are you fooking high? pinterest.com/vadebord/women-disfigured-..
2019-11-16 20:27
racist
2019-11-16 21:28
Racism is exposing Islam's atrocities against their own wives and daughters? Wow, "BrutallyHonest" is definitely not your calling. In fact what you said is plain idiocy.
2019-11-17 21:24
It must be there except for professions where raw physical strength is required. Women are genetically weaker than men. Nothing can change that. Actually women shouldn't be that worse than men in CSGO but most girls just avoid this game. Again, prejudice/bias/idiotic traditions and indoctrination.
2019-11-16 20:19
Everything women can do man can do better. And that's a FACT
2019-11-16 20:18
That has been proven wrong a billion times already and you're just a misogynist. How have you managed to live with your mother under the same roof during your childhood? You must have thought of her as an inferior creature. Poor woman.
2019-11-16 20:20
I don't hate women LMAO. I'm just saying what's true. Give me 3 things women can do better than men?
2019-11-16 20:22
#85
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France daniel19 
it's not what they do better, it's the fact that they can do as well, and in Science I think there isnt much difference nowadays, women do very well and some even lead great scientific projects
2019-11-16 20:27
So if a woman hits men can men hit her back? No, because he would get murdered by the media etc.
2019-11-16 20:28
#91
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France daniel19 
this is another topic on which I do agree media influence is getting out of control, totally agree on this
2019-11-16 20:29
Im not saying women should get paid less ofc not. Im saying Gender equality shouldn't be a thing. Because if you punch women back you're fucked if you don't pay the bill they get offended etc.
2019-11-16 20:30
GTFO, fooking loser and misogynist. You're only thinking in terms of hitting and hitting back. If women are not physically strong, they are worse. WTF is wrong with you.
2019-11-16 20:31
Nope. Im saying if she hits me why am i supposed to take it and leave? I mean if we are equal okay ill fuck you up really quick.
2019-11-16 20:33
LOOOOOOOOL. "I can beat my gf up and she can't protect herself that's WHY I'M SO MUCH BETTER THAN HER" You're a pure embarrassment.
2019-11-16 20:36
Never hit any women in my life nor will i ever do so. But keep making stuff up if it makes you feel good :)
2019-11-16 20:36
Women should be payed less if they are doing less than men. And Gender equality will never be a thing in the world and shouldn't be. There are thing what women do better and things that men do better.
2019-11-16 20:34
The only things where women fare worse are the ones which require physical strength and probably women shouldn't be doing them anyways. If they still do, they should be paid as much as men because they women MORE than they can by nature.
2019-11-16 20:37
Yeah seems fair, You are doing less, thus you should be payed the same amount.
2019-11-16 20:57
#100
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France daniel19 
in some random countries maybe, but here it's less relevant if the man doesn't support family's needs ALTHOUGH I agree there is still a lot of social pressure towards men rather than women
2019-11-16 20:32
You really are a misogynist and since you believe men are superior just because we have strength. What a pathetic and horrible person you are.
2019-11-16 20:29
Not true. But keep believing what you want.
2019-11-16 20:31
Not a single argument, fooking idiot.
2019-11-16 20:32
Give me anything in which women fare worse except for the tasks which require strength.
2019-11-16 20:28
Everything.
2019-11-16 20:29
You've just lost this argument. Nice. Now GTFO from this topic. You're lacking intelligence and argumentation skills to participate in it. Looks like we need women to help you.
2019-11-16 20:30
I do have a girlfriend for 3 years and i love her more than anything. Also i didn't lose an argument because i asked you for example and you didn't have one. Cyaa
2019-11-16 20:32
The burden of proof is on you since you tried to contradict me, idiot. You really are a low IQ man, sorry. Perhaps your gf is smarter than you that's why you're beating her all the time and since she can't "hit back" (your words, not mine) she's inferior. Loooooooool. Keep on embarrassing yourself.
2019-11-16 20:34
I never said I would hit women first LMAO you're just making shit up hahahahaha... Also, you tried contradicting me not another way around
2019-11-16 20:36
Five of your messages boil down to "not being able to hit back that's why men are better and there should be no gender equality". God, you're a fooking loser. I pity your mother, your gf and every woman who has been unfortunate enough to deal with you.
2019-11-16 20:39
I never said that you fucking moron... I said why are we supposed to take punches from females and just leave it at that? If you want equality don't cry when men hit you back
2019-11-16 20:41
"I never said that you fucking moron... I said why are we supposed to take punches from females and just leave it at that? If you want equality don't cry when men hit you back" Never seen anyone embarrass himself so much as you. In your world it's all about hitting someone (back). Your IQ must be in low 20s. Basically an imbecile. Not a single example other than that as well. Not a single research paper or study. Not a single link. GTFO, degenerate.
2019-11-16 20:48
You should study the word "equal" now imma leave it at that because there is really no point in arguing with someone like you :) Bye
2019-11-16 20:49
Nobody is paying women less as long as they perform as good as men do. That's 70's world you're still living in dude wake tf up.
2019-11-16 20:30
you wake the fuck up. your post doesn't make sense. read original post and edit your own ffs
2019-11-16 20:36
why would op write " I dont see why we should pay less to women if they are as qualified." if he doesn't presume that women are paid equal to men?
2019-11-16 23:20
you're the one presuming.
2019-11-19 16:19
ok so basically the point of op is that there is no inequality and there shouldn't be... ? are we stating obvious shit here or wtf
2019-11-20 19:51
I think woman have it decent today. An uneducated woman has a better chance of making money than an uneducated man, especially at a younger age. Just look at all the female instagramers, streamers ect that make money purely on looking decent. Guys don't have that same luxury.
2019-11-16 20:41
I fooking hate most of the guys on these forums. You're a fooking embarrassment. No arguments as to why and where women fare worse than men (except for professions where physical strength is a necessity), not a single example, yet y'all screaming from the top of your lungs that "MEN ARE BETTER" and should be paid more. Perhaps y'all fooking young and stupid and can't reason, dig info and really prove your POV with facts.
2019-11-16 20:43
"fooking" cringee
2019-11-16 20:49
We aren't paying less, they earn less money because of the proffesions that they typically choose and because of life decisions such as having babies. The richest people in the world at one time worked 80 hour weeks to earn what they have which would explain why life decisions is relevant and why women aren't in the 1%
2019-11-16 20:48
The genders are equal in every decent country. The so called "pay gap" is a work of stat manipulation. It has to do with work choice, not wether you're a guy or a girl.
2019-11-19 20:00
#127
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Finland LARSONi 
They should be payed the same but they already are payed the same in almost every (at least modern) countries.
2019-11-19 20:02
#129
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Usually there is a reason to pay them less. Theyre less productive, work part time, not STEM degrees, decide to care for children
2019-11-19 20:07
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