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-nbk +shox [shox isn't wrong]
ZywOo | 
India another_ban_for_3_days 
All these people who are saying nbk was better and shox destroyed Vitality are brainless. Can't see Vitality can't merge shox with the team? It will take time. shox isn't same profile as nbk. He is playing alone not with the team mostly. There are some problems with the team. I'm sure Vitality would switch lurks later on and involve shox more in team play. Also -nbk was a correct one as twitter.com/neLendirekt/status/119636377..
2019-11-18 12:03
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#1
coldzera | 
Korea JJMISK 
Shox on Vitality just doesn't work. There NEEDS to be a french shuffle imho
2019-11-18 12:04
yep don't give the team some time. After 2 tournaments in which they finished #2 in one. There needs to be a shuffle imho. lol
2019-11-18 12:11
The french scene in a nutshell
2019-11-18 12:12
true that.
2019-11-18 12:13
#93
shox | 
France DrKira 
+1
2019-11-19 08:12
#63
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
+1 every team needs atleast some time
2019-11-18 17:05
#83
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United Kingdom Sky_Nightmare 
Look at FaZe, given abit of time with Broky and Cold and they are getting alot better
2019-11-19 01:32
#88
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
yep true... dunno why people start judging instant the trade happens... atleast have some patience if you actually like the team and not just a plastic fan
2019-11-19 07:57
So you believe Vitality is a contender for #1? I really hope not. They are number 5. They can't even win against Fnatic with a stand-in. Where is the hope? There isn't any. They are getting carried by Zywoo, they need more firepower.
2019-11-18 22:12
#89
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
thats true, but i think they need a new igl rather than replacing shox... apex hasnt been that good for quite sometime now, even rpk seems more impactfull for the most part... i think this team needs a whole rebuild around zywoo and possibly but not definitely around shox as STARS with no role in calls so they can focus on their game. Some good addition might come from some young talent or veterans like scream(i dont know how good he is as of now, or if he can still attain his peak level... but not so sure about him) or maybe someone more strategic (not anyone from french scene i know of)... but overall i think this team needs a complete rebuild if they aren't able to perform after sometime is given from now.
2019-11-19 08:02
Vitality isnt shooting for #1,be realistic
2019-11-19 08:13
They are just bad, that's why
2019-11-19 11:00
i'm all about giving them time, but the fact that they lose to fnatic with one stand in is frightening i doubt we'll see more than the 'free zywoo' show
2019-11-19 01:10
+1
2019-11-19 11:00
Then, what would be the best combination of french players and the ideal french team?
2019-11-19 11:12
#2
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North America davidbowie22 
Yes thats true but shox is garbago
2019-11-18 12:08
He isn't. His aim is good. Yesterday he was playing more active roles and you saw he had one of his better performances in this team.
2019-11-18 12:10
#35
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North America davidbowie22 
Still cant beat goat floosha
2019-11-18 12:51
ok so??
2019-11-18 12:51
#102
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North America davidbowie22 
Shox is an ok player but after theyve kicked nbk their ct sides have been hella bad
2019-11-19 08:33
#90
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
flusha seems a little too odd for someone with even insane game sense tbh... but since we don't have a proof he seems to be the pinnacle of game sense achievable atm
2019-11-19 08:05
#50
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France SpooceCooke 
Even one of his « better » performances was a measly 1.08 rating... I’m not saying he did bad but it’s difficult to take it as a positive point
2019-11-18 13:08
I said on this team. If only you could read.
2019-11-18 13:15
#57
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France SpooceCooke 
And? Still pretty bad m8 Whether it’s slightly better than last game or not is irrelevant. I’m not trying to destroy your argument but there’s not much positive to be taken out of this game for anyone, let alone shox. He’s supposed to be very good individually and that’s what he was brought in for. I know it takes time and ladidadida but he played better as an igl for Christ’s sake
2019-11-18 13:47
bro I said how roles are destroying shox.
2019-11-18 16:12
#62
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France SpooceCooke 
They ALWAYS are though, it’s been years since roles have supposedly been destroying shox and if they need someone to do these in particular they should get someone else. I’m pretty sure Vitality aren’t in the wrong here since they have a bunch of very good analysts and a coach who understands the game. Maybe with some practice it will come but for now they are playing badly and shox is not helping
2019-11-18 16:35
#65
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France SpooceCooke 
And just as I said this he goes 16/3 in 8 rounds lol
2019-11-18 18:46
#91
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
still i think this needs time to work properly so vita fans, just like us g2 fans, should probably just be patient atleast till the feb of next year i guess. gl to both g2 and vita would love to see them face off each other in best forms
2019-11-19 08:08
#106
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France SpooceCooke 
same dude, despite everything I've said, I hope both squads work out !
2019-11-19 10:13
#5
kr4sylya | 
United Kingdom Wazerz 
Imagine adults competing in a multi million dollar industry crying about who they are playing with and replacing him with a player that is a worse fit and also has a reputation of toxicity.
2019-11-18 12:11
he doesn't have a reputation for toxicity. His reputation is of crybaby. First get facts correct. nbk has reputation for toxicity and thats why team didn't want to play with him. And saying worse fit to a player after 2 tournaments. lol
2019-11-18 12:12
Toxic players > crybabys
2019-11-18 12:24
lol. Have you got a brain? Is it too hard for you to understand? That Vitality removed nbk because no one on Vitality wanted to play with him.
2019-11-18 12:25
Seems that all of vitality are crybabies as well as shox :)
2019-11-18 12:26
maybe
2019-11-18 12:26
Then I guess that in a team of crybabies, NBK wasn't a good fit, was he?
2019-11-18 12:56
Yes and now because the vitality players are crybabies they are now much worse with shox than nbk :)
2019-11-18 13:27
Well to be fair, a lot of other teams have finally started performing too. 100T, Fnatic, Faze, EG etc
2019-11-18 16:16
#55
STYKO | 
Norway AdNiB 
Shox has proven himself to be just as toxic aswell. In fact, out of the 2 rosters where NBK and Shox played together, Shox was the one who decided to make a move that broke up the team. First time was with EnVyUs, 2nd time with G2 hltv.org/news/23088/shox-i-wanted-to-rem..
2019-11-18 13:26
with G2 he said apEX is a good player but he is too aggressive for him to IGL.
2019-11-18 16:07
#95
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
shox wasnt the one it was the team back then too... nbk wanted to start a new project, so he was given time by g2 when he formed superteam, then when that didn't work the baton was passed to shox. So shox had to make some changes to get things right, and nbk was one of the problems... not to mention the end of shox in g2 was a pretty good team and the reason why he left g2 wasnt his kick. Rather he was offered by carlos to bench lucky, and go international with squad, and thats what he rejected because lucky was a key player of the squad and was performing bad because of his condition and roles. Otherwise he could do better like in beginning of jackz and lucky squad in g2 where he was good enough. So shox took the responsibility and benched himself. Dunno why people hate shox cuz most of the French players who have reputation of being toxic are the ones to haye shox. Some people who are normal players and not toxic like scream or kenny never had problem with shox and thats because he supported them. People to hate shox are the ones that have bad rep like nbk, apex, kio probably idk much about kio.
2019-11-19 08:16
The French scene is filled with snakes and crybabies
2019-11-19 01:13
-zywho +seized = top1 MAKE FRENCH SCENE GREAT AGAIN
2019-11-18 12:11
#119
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CIS kryto203 
-zoohoo -APEks -ropek -alax -slowx +seized x5
2019-11-20 11:14
#7
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Indonesia urutosiar 
So everyone just gonna believe what xtqzzz said without knowing what nbk side of story is?
2019-11-18 12:12
no. Maybe nbk is correct in his own but if 4 people don't wanna play with 1 guy and that 1 guy isn't ZywOo obviously you're replacing that 1 guy not 4 people.
2019-11-18 12:14
#12
yay | 
Japan qualmish 
vitality is wrong, putting random 4 french and 1 genius
2019-11-18 12:18
they said this is their last french lineup. So in future they will change.
2019-11-18 12:19
#111
yay | 
Japan qualmish 
if you kick all of them yes
2019-11-20 10:10
#13
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Nepal sasukeee 
just get rid of that ALEX.
2019-11-18 12:19
alex isn't a good IGL but he is good at fragging. Yesterday he forced thrice in a row and eventually lost mirage because of that and that flusha killing ZywOo through smoke which resulted in loss and momentum break. With proper formed strats and inputs from xtqzzz he can carry the IGL role. He has still got ZywOo who wins 60+% of his opening duels.
2019-11-18 12:23
#20
XeqtR | 
Hong Kong wqnxy1 
Yea, get rid of your 2nd best player on team lol.
2019-11-18 12:26
#24
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Nepal sasukeee 
lul
2019-11-18 12:32
shox is just bad. time will not help him
2019-11-18 12:26
okk. I will never take your bait. sam2k and you are one of the biggest baiters here. Both russians
2019-11-18 12:30
not a bait, its a FACT lol...
2019-11-18 12:30
it is an obvious bait. If you can't see how he is unable to take 1v1 fights. Always dying because his team wants him to lurk in apps all the time. If you don't see the problem its obviously a bait. His aim is good. He just has to be more involved in plays. Yesterday his kills and deaths both were higher than before and it resulted in a good performance. Otherwise he always dies least and kills least.
2019-11-18 12:33
yea sure and how do you want to excuse his performance whole last 2-3 years? shox SUCKS and thats a fact. vitality as a team and his role in that team has nothing to do with how bad player he is nowadays. overrated bcs of his past and name but as a player he is average at very best = FACT
2019-11-18 12:34
last 2-3 years?? He wasn't bad. His skill was there. Just that he was IGL and too many star players restricted him to shine. This year he showed some of really nice plays. Probably involved in one of the highest amount of clutch situations in G2.
2019-11-18 12:43
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD yea sure please more excuses. his performance last 3 years is average at very best. this is pure FACT. but sure, keep excusing your fav player more and more
2019-11-18 12:44
he isn't my favorite player and your baits are getting too obvious. He has always excelled in those late rounds in these years. You can checks stats. He wouldn't do that if didn't have the skill. He just didn't have room and he was IGL too.
2019-11-18 12:47
please more excuses. more 2019 hltv.org/stats/players/1225/shox?startDa.. 2018 hltv.org/stats/players/1225/shox?startDa.. 2017 hltv.org/stats/players/1225/shox?startDa.. he sucks. end of story...and your excuses wont change anything
2019-11-18 12:48
yea because whole cs is only about clutches. yea sure...please
2019-11-18 12:51
He is late round player thats why. Literally no brains to understand?
2019-11-18 12:52
"late round player" with 1.01 rating, 69.8 adr and...wait for it...0.97 impact rating. GREAT late round player:DDDDDDDDDDD 10/10
2019-11-18 12:53
Do you even have any idea of late round players stats? They wouldn't have good stats until they don't get involved in mid rounds. You've to wait and look for aggression for a minute which rarely occurs then you come into the play if your team is at disadvantage. Mostly 3v5,4v5,2v4 etc. You've to make it work. No way anyone has high rating,adr or impact if he consistently does that. You need to go for those mid round kills otherwise stats would fall. In advantageous situations you just go for exit kills on T side as your team goes for executes. You come into normal play once again in clutch situation. I will try to attach a proper highlight clip. He has had very high impact and has made great plays this year. All highlights from clutch situations. These don't include the plays he has made because those are long clips to understand. youtube.com/watch?v=OlIXpndGydU
2019-11-18 13:14
"Do you even have any idea of late round players stats? They wouldn't have good stats until they don't get involved in mid rounds." stopped reading right here. another completely TRASH excuse for his LOW to NO impact and bad performance. he is useless most of the rounds and has just good clutch here and there. honestly i will not read more excuses form diehard blind fanboy. bye
2019-11-18 13:18
crying like a kid again. last time I made you cry. Seems like history is repeating itself. Btw cry is free.
2019-11-18 13:20
#96
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
+1 i have been watching g2 for years and shox still does have godlike aim the problem is that he is always put in position where he cant perticularly isolate his 1v1s
2019-11-19 08:20
True, Shox needs to go to Tier 2-3 team and prove himself again... Like Get Right, Xizt, Taz etc. They cant play forever on their old glory.
2019-11-18 12:36
he has way better aim than all of these three and Vitality picked him because of his form in G2.
2019-11-18 12:44
"Vitality picked him because of his form in G2." AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHA DUDE this is 10/10
2019-11-18 12:49
stop baiting
2019-11-18 12:51
dude that your post was 10/10 b8 and you asking ME to stop:D? AAHAHAAHA
2019-11-18 12:52
Why do you think they picked him then
2019-11-18 12:53
dont know ask them...but surely not bcs of his "awesome" form in g2
2019-11-18 12:53
Single digit iq reply
2019-11-18 12:58
yea your reply was indeed single digit iq
2019-11-18 12:58
Sigit digit mental age goes really well with your iq
2019-11-18 13:02
thanks dude. it hurts from someone as "intelligent" as you lol
2019-11-18 13:03
#97
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
why cry tho?
2019-11-19 08:21
where am i crying lul
2019-11-19 09:35
"Vitality picked him because of his form in G2" What form?
2019-11-19 08:23
#44
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United Arab Emirates R4SH4SH 
They're brain dead people dude, just ignore these retards lol.
2019-11-18 12:55
Its so hard to make them understand. shox's aim is so good and yet they don't see he's got the skill.
2019-11-18 16:15
#66
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United Arab Emirates R4SH4SH 
Trueee, probably kids man, lmao.
2019-11-18 19:16
Honestly i think role can be a huge factor... No way Shox Should lurk... Shox is a very passive lurker with no impact, but if you move player like him who is a beast with rifles into 2nd entry or even 1st entry they would get much much stronger t sides. I think combo combo of shox and zywoo when going entry would be just as lethal as Elige and Twistzz. Apex is pretty much retarded and this type of entry fragger wont gonna work right now. In my opinion rpk could easily be lurker and apex support cause he is good with flashes. Like Taz once said - we dont change players we change roles and it worked for VP for a long time untill the ultimate fall of.
2019-11-18 17:20
what the hell did i just read lmao "No way Shox Should lurk" his prime was when he was lurker "combo of shox and zywoo when going entry would be just as lethal as Elige and Twistzz" twistzz is the most passive player from liquid lmao. its stew and elige who are entries. not twistzz. even lurking naf and igling nitr0 have more attempts and opening kills honestly, stopped reading right after twistzz part...you are clueless
2019-11-18 23:33
Maybe watch more games cause its you who dont have any clue. Naf is lurker most of the time. Besides do you even watch Vitality play if you think that Shox is even close to being a good lurker? Passive/baiting lurkers are done. Thats why get right sucked d and Shox have no impact. Happy retire and just because he is playing same way same style like its 5 years ago. Besides If stewie is not entry then is Elige with twistzz and they best at it by far. Stevie is not that good of a entry. Just like apex all aim no brain.
2019-11-19 00:58
"Naf is lurker most of the time" i said it myself? learn to read? and even lurking naf has more attempts "that Shox is even close to being a good lurker" shox sucks. thats it. no matter which role will he play but his prime was in lurking role "Besides If stewie is not entry then is Elige with twistzz and they best at it by far. Stevie is not that good of a entry dude you are lost and you have no clue at all. at least look at numbers and mainly WATCH THEM PLAY. twistzz entry my ass
2019-11-19 01:03
No argument just quotes. What are you trying to prove? Shox is bad at decision making these days, but he could be very good at entry and rpk would do better job as lurk im sure. If you suck at role dont you wanna change something else? Alex played happy role and his positions and when he said dont like, then Vitality improved a lot.
2019-11-19 01:07
shox sucks...again no matter in which role. he is average at VERY BEST last 3 years...and funny that you didnt even try to reply to twistzz topic lol
2019-11-19 01:09
Even Niko: said i dont know if he is entry... but he is just so good at it. Talking about twitszzz.
2019-11-19 01:09
LMAO... 0/8
2019-11-19 01:09
Retard kid ha ha. ofc write stupid meme when you have nothing to say.
2019-11-19 01:10
nothing to say? LOOK AT NUMBERS mong
2019-11-19 01:11
You had to have mental disability to follow those french nonamers on twitter, they think they know everything but they know shit NBK wasn't the problem, Alex was the problem and still is, this team is going down Mark my words
2019-11-19 01:02
Vitality got waaaay better after they added Alex and he started leading...
2019-11-19 01:27
+1 roster is fine Only change that should be considered is -apex +ScreaM (since he’s free) and rpk to entry. Bring back the best duo in csgo history.
2019-11-19 01:28
#114
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Hungary HAWIXD 
Scream xd
2019-11-20 10:42
Can you name me any not washedup French players other than zywoo?
2019-11-20 12:37
#128
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Hungary HAWIXD 
JeyN
2019-11-20 14:37
Sure, but unproven. How about of the “relevant” players?
2019-11-20 18:21
#82
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India anshuman199 
I am damn sure they are doing way better having shox rather when they had NBK Everyone knows hows problematic it is to be a teammate of NBK Even shox kennys and boddyy didnt want to play with him after Boston 2018. Talent is not everything being a team player is too something u need. NBK lacks being a team player and thats for sure.
2019-11-19 01:31
bcs shox is such a good team player lol
2019-11-19 01:32
#85
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India anshuman199 
Even if not he isnt toxic as NBK is...
2019-11-19 01:37
yea being crybaby is fine. giving advantage to your friend over your team is surely good as well...
2019-11-19 01:39
Nbk isn’t even talented
2019-11-20 12:37
#122
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India anshuman199 
I didnt c tht coming XD
2019-11-20 12:38
He hasn’t looked good since 2015/2016.
2019-11-20 12:40
#126
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India anshuman199 
it has been in glimpses tht he has looked good but the ultimate need is to be a team player rather than being a superstar
2019-11-20 12:47
By glimpses you mean 1 in 10-20 games? Usually against lesser teams or games they’re already crushing in. He’s not even that great a team player, in fact he had the worst flash stats on the team
2019-11-20 18:22
#132
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India anshuman199 
i agree to tht i m too not supportive of NBK but what i just say is he is a kinda decent player 2day too but also way too toxic. i m gonna stick to tht coz he is truely very much toxic else u dont get kicked by 2 teams in such a short span. i dnt even give a fuck abt NBKs stats tbh.
2019-11-20 18:24
He’s probably one of the worst players to be in a top 20 team in years imo. I only mention the stats to show he isn’t as good a team player as everyone makes him out to be. “Best French support player” He’s toxic and it’s not debatable or even just assumed: mobile.twitter.com/m9teoo/status/1074003.. m.twitch.tv/clip/SillyBoringRaccoonM4xHe.. m.twitch.tv/clip/ShySassyBatPeteZarollTi..
2019-11-20 18:36
#134
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India anshuman199 
I completely agrre with you man..... This guy has been wrecker in chief for french cs to some extent and i do feel tht now OG to is having second thoughts on him U gotta respect when 8 players dont wanna play with you tht 2 between 2018 jan to 2019 sept this really is not sign for a good player.
2019-11-20 18:40
I agree. He’ll probably at best be carried by his teammates as usual. I’m just Shocked it took the French scene so long to wake up and smell the coffee on NBK
2019-11-20 19:34
#137
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India anshuman199 
i hope it works out with OG man they are like nearing to sign NBK as per the rumours stilll i would prefer some one else over NBK hope he mends his ways
2019-11-21 15:48
I don’t. I hope NBK just gets exposed again as somebody who’s career has been carried off the backs of other players as it has been the past several years.
2019-11-21 16:09
#139
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India anshuman199 
kool kool
2019-11-21 16:09
#87
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India anshuman199 
tht goes with u nbk fanboy
2019-11-19 01:43
Who cares about the french scene besides french men lmao
2019-11-19 08:10
-nbk was the most stupid roster change of the year. By this i don’t mean that shox is bad in any way, its just that before you decide to bench nbk you have to first bench bot apex, bot rpk and alex. If nbk was there still instead of one of the three i mentioned above, the team would be far better
2019-11-19 08:27
#100
Petra | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Choose one: -Most stupid roster move -Ence -aleksib
2019-11-19 08:29
Yeah that might be true, but still benching nbk ahead of apex, rpk is so damn wrong
2019-11-19 09:08
#104
Petra | 
Netherlands Yourii 
+1
2019-11-19 09:32
First of all: -Aleksib was the most stupid roster move this year. Also, why would they bench ALEX? He was doing fine as fragger and IGL before NBK left and still is. RpK is also definitely not bad as an anchor and he does what he is told to do (no arguing, easy person). apEX is questionable
2019-11-20 10:39
Comparing nbk to rpk and alex shows you are so out of the game. Its not that rpk or alex are bad, nor that nbk is much better, but still there is some difference between them. So what im saying is nbk dismissal was so wrong
2019-11-20 10:49
No it wasn't. If you kicked RpK and kept NBK and picked up shox (let's say), noone would want to play anchor on CT anymore and the team chemistry would be even lower than it is now. Independent of the new pick, the rest of the team expressed already that NBK was too toxic and the chemistry was down. shox CAN individually better than NBK, he just needs to find his level. Then you have a functioning team
2019-11-20 10:53
Nbk was better but he was being incredibly annoying with teammates
2019-11-19 08:33
He was the one who gathered them mens((((((((((
2019-11-19 11:04
True, from what I heard NBK is calm and friendly in interviews but pretty toxic behind the scenes. But I hear that kio is the most toxic.
2019-11-20 10:37
But why is everyone saying he would be toxic?
2019-11-20 12:42
For the exact same reason you said it in the first place..they see a lot of people say that so you assume it’s true. I have yet to see actual evidence of him being toxic...just repition of unsubstantiated rumor
2019-11-20 18:24
haha so their team is saying he is toxic because they also heard someone else say it.
2019-11-30 08:19
NBK- really made the team work. They should have dumped ALEX and apeX instead.
2019-11-20 10:45
#118
Yeet | 
Spain H0TDOGG 
Ez fix: -apex +happy Ezpz back2back major in 2020
2019-11-20 10:59
#127
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Brunei TtE 
shox 90% of the times rushes alone and dies making his team in a 4v5 situation, or he just waits in mid baiting his teammates who rush and die, then he stays 1v5
2019-11-20 12:51
#135
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Poland kvvach 
imo Apex is problem he is dumb has bad aim and 0 impact
2019-11-20 18:50
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