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TOP1 HLTV device or ZywOo ?
Boo | 
France mbl4 
At this point it's certain it's gonna be either device or ZywOo. Why not another ? You can compare ZywOo and s1mple for example, but ZywOo played more maps, won more trophies, has slightly better stats and has more MVPs, so he's obviously gonna be above him. You can now compare device and EliGE. device has slightly better stats and won two majors (with 1 major MVP). EliGE, on the other hand, won more events and has one more MVP than device. I would give the upper hand to device since he is overall better this year, and won both majors back to back. So now, ZywOo or device ? ZywOo : better rating, 4 MVPs (0 major MVP), 2 tournaments won device : lower rating, 2 MVPs (1 major MVP), 4 tournaments won The tournaments of the end of the year could determine the top 1, but let's not make assumptions on the winner of these future events. It all depends on HLTV's top 20 system, but these two are obviously really close, so who do you see at the top this year ? Vote here: strawpoll.me/18959906
2019-11-18 14:35
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#1
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Ivory Coast WaldhuterHanz 
zywoo/s1mple depends on the last events, better one #1
2019-11-18 14:36
#2
Boo | 
France mbl4 
ZywOo is obviously better than s1mple this year, the match is more between ZywOo and device imo
2019-11-18 14:36
#7
Boo | 
France mbl4 
same stats, but ZywOo has: > more maps played > more events won > more MVPs > more EVPs If s1mple is above I'll eat my shoe
2019-11-18 14:39
#8
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Ivory Coast WaldhuterHanz 
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/11893/Zyw.. s1mple better on LAN and hltv showed that top20 is for player perfomance, not for team
2019-11-18 14:40
#11
Boo | 
France mbl4 
Better with 0.01, and less maps played. You're delusional if you think s1mple will be above ZywOo. And you're wrong about the rating: hltv.org/news/14010/top-20-players-of-20.. hltv.org/news/13895/top-20-players-of-20..
2019-11-18 14:42
#13
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Ivory Coast WaldhuterHanz 
2014 isnt 2019, idk where but for 2018 they said they it does mostly go only about player, obv 1.30 and 5 events is better than 1.30 and 0 events
2019-11-18 14:44
#15
Boo | 
France mbl4 
yeah HLTV prefers to show players' performance than team's, but in 2018 s1mple was just way above device in every stats, and device was still #2 and pretty close to him. So now if you take this year, s1mple, ZywOo, device and EliGE have all four very good stats, so it's uncertain whether HLTV will prioritize player or titles (and even if they prioritize player, ZywOo is above s1mple this year)
2019-11-18 14:47
#17
device | 
Denmark bebm 
zywoo will 101% be above s1mple this year the reason s1mple was #1 last year was because of a 0.11 rating difference, a 0.01 wont make up for the lack of mvps, consistency, and playoff runs
2019-11-18 14:49
hltv.org/news/13985/top-20-players-of-20.. the best player in 2014 finish 6th ...
2019-11-19 09:06
#35
k0nfig | 
Germany Trax_ 
but they pay attention on how many maps the player played, it does impact the placing when its between 2 close players but one played significantly more maps
2019-11-18 15:18
bookmarked but unlikely to happen
2019-11-19 17:36
#127
Boo | 
France mbl4 
Oh no
2019-11-19 19:23
no way that it will be s1mple no matter how last 1-2 events will look like
2019-11-18 15:36
#3
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Russia UNDERATE 
zywoo top1
2019-11-18 14:36
#48
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
0/8
2019-11-18 16:38
devveking > sam2k > s0mple
2019-11-19 15:19
#92
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
0/8 goat s1mple > ALL
2019-11-19 16:21
#4
EliGE | 
United States Jgrnty8 
Cant be mvp if you cant even help your team be tier 1. Device if the year ended rn.
2019-11-18 14:37
zywoo has more mvps last year simple had less mvps than device and still won how do u think device with less mvps will win against zywoo?
2019-11-18 14:38
#137
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Denmark d1ckweed 
1.39 rating vs 1.26 rating helped s0mple. This year it's 1.29 (s0mple and ZywOo) vs 1.25 (dev1ce). Much closer. And if device bags a few MVP medals (he can at most 3), then he's gonna be #1.
2019-11-20 08:44
#9
Boo | 
France mbl4 
this is your personal opinion you give here. Vitality has all signs to be tier 1 team, sorry (yeah flag checks out)
2019-11-18 14:40
That’s why they lost to Fnatic with a stand in?
2019-11-19 02:07
#59
Boo | 
France mbl4 
A shitty display I agree, but they didn't even practice since shox arrival
2019-11-19 08:52
And that is why French CS never will be relevant again.
2019-11-19 11:45
#86
Boo | 
France mbl4 
UK cs lul
2019-11-19 12:59
Not from the UK, so idc.
2019-11-19 13:06
"Cant be mvp" yet he has 4 mvps and device 2. also device has like 100x better team mates and he isnt the only reason why astralis is t1. your arguments are horrible.
2019-11-18 15:40
#45
EliGE | 
United States Jgrnty8 
His mvps are at tier 2 tourneys except 1. Device will cement no.1 at pro league finals
2019-11-18 16:36
0/8
2019-11-18 16:36
#47
EliGE | 
United States Jgrnty8 
Its ok go ahead and equip your zywoo flair
2019-11-18 16:40
still 0/8
2019-11-18 16:42
0/8 There is literally no reason device would be 1st, ZywOo has higher rating (which is the main criterion) and more MVPs... Even s1mple will be above device cause his rating is just higher. The one or two MVPs which device has more won't get him 2nd. 1.) ZywOo 2.)s1mple 3.)device
2019-11-19 11:53
#88
EliGE | 
United States Jgrnty8 
So do you think sh1ro is the best player then. Cant just look at rating smh
2019-11-19 15:02
#98
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CIS N1k0L 
Yeap, sh1ro is a great talent
2019-11-19 16:24
They have barely won anything. Zywoo with not get top 1. Trust me
2019-11-20 01:41
this topic actually makes sense
2019-11-18 14:41
#12
Boo | 
France mbl4 
Thank you broky
2019-11-18 14:43
#14
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Russia evg1804 
Device is a beast for this 4 months. If Astralis will win all of the tournaments left in this year, Device should be No.1
2019-11-18 14:46
Indeed. Device or Zywoo. No way S1mple is top 3 worthy.
2019-11-18 15:06
#53
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Russia evg1804 
Agree. He lost his performance this year
2019-11-19 01:49
zywoo has more mvps and higher rating while playing on a much worse team, impossible for it to be dev2ce
2019-11-18 14:48
#18
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Romania Obuz8 
Elige>both
2019-11-18 14:49
Not even close
2019-11-19 04:06
#106
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
nt s1mple > ALL
2019-11-19 16:26
#19
World Jeza 
Very, very unlikely to be ZywOo based on HLTV's system. Team achievements are very relevant. I wouldn't be surprised to see 1. device 2. ZywOo 3. s1mple. Also I imagine lots of rage threads about it.
2019-11-18 14:49
#25
Boo | 
France mbl4 
Yeah HLTV would be a shitshow if that's the case
2019-11-18 14:58
zywoo has better stats + he always play 1 v 5
2019-11-18 14:49
Don't use logic on these people, it hurts them to think Device could be #1. He's already the GOAT.
2019-11-18 14:50
#105
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
no he is not s1mple is goat of cs and esports
2019-11-19 16:26
How many mvp's and how many majors? ohhhhhhhhhh
2019-11-19 18:42
#22
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Australia Artikle13 
In stats s1mple and ZywOo are 5/5. And what titles did zywoo win? Summit? S1mple won starladder, lmfao.
2019-11-18 14:51
#26
Boo | 
France mbl4 
^ this guy is delusional
2019-11-18 14:58
#27
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Australia Artikle13 
Flag checks out. -_-
2019-11-18 15:00
#28
Boo | 
France mbl4 
If you really think s1mple will be above ZywOo just compile every stats you have and you will see that ZywOo just had a better year. Better stats, more tournaments won (and not only cs_summit), more MVPs, more EVPs and more maps played at big events
2019-11-18 15:04
#31
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Australia Artikle13 
Stats are 5/5. Why devve wasnt top1 last year with Astralis "era"?
2019-11-18 15:14
#37
Boo | 
France mbl4 
2019-11-18 15:33
zywoo won ecs i think
2019-11-18 15:18
#23
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France Tred0x 
The problem is Zywoo didn't play so much finals this year compare to Dev1ce who won event, idk hard to know
2019-11-18 14:52
#32
Boo | 
France mbl4 
ZywOo played 4 finals this year: cs_summit vs Liquid (won, MVP) (tier A tournaments according to Liquipedia, so not as relevant as the others) ECS season 7 vs Furia (won, MVP) ESL Cologne vs Liquid (lost, MVP) Dreamhack masters Malmö vs Fnatic (lost, MVP) device played 7 finals this year: ibuypower masters 4 vs Liquid (lost, no MVP) (tier A tournament) IEM Katowice vs ENCE (won, MVP) Blast Sao Paulo vs Liquid (won, MVP) (tier A tournament) Blast Madrid vs ENCE (lost) (tier A tournament) Starladder major Berlin vs Avangar (won) ESL New York vs EG (lost) IEM Beijing vs 100T (won) So overall 4 finals played vs 7 finals played (3 S-tier vs 4 S-tier)
2019-11-18 15:15
It was the starladder major mvp he got not the iem katowice
2019-11-18 15:43
#44
Boo | 
France mbl4 
Yeah you're right
2019-11-18 15:47
#24
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Norway k1x_ 
tough question, statwise zywoo especially with that insane impact, i think impact is the most important stat for a player and 4 mvps is just insane for 1 year but that major win for device and the major mvp is insane aswell with 4 tournament wins and having constant good rating, i would say it will be device but feel like zywoo deserves it more.
2019-11-18 14:56
Two major wins men)))
2019-11-18 15:15
Zywoo will be #1
2019-11-18 15:15
#104
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
0/8
2019-11-19 16:26
Somehow you put a 0 where the 8 is supposed to be
2019-11-19 16:32
just because ppl have different opinions doesnt mean they're delusional
2019-11-18 15:18
#38
Boo | 
France mbl4 
To which comment are you trying to answer ?
2019-11-18 15:34
many))
2019-11-18 20:45
ZyWOo will probably be #1 this year. S1mple #2 unless dev1ce goes ape shit in the next events and ups his rating. dev1ce solid #3 confirmed EliGE probably #4
2019-11-18 15:39
#83
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Denmark Menterx 
Sounds about right.
2019-11-19 12:07
I try to be unbiased.
2019-11-19 18:40
#134
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Denmark Menterx 
Credit to you my good sir. I hate the "I am fan of" lists...
2019-11-20 08:36
S0mple
2019-11-18 15:40
#103
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
s1mple* learn to spell baguette
2019-11-19 16:25
My mistake, 0 close to 1 on keyboard men
2019-11-19 17:34
S2mple this year.
2019-11-19 18:40
anyone but s1mple ofc
2019-11-18 16:39
#102
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
fuck you
2019-11-19 16:25
2018 S1mple > 2019 Zywoo > 2018 NiKo > 2017 Coldzera
2019-11-18 16:39
1. ZywOo 2. device 3. Elige/s0mple 4. s0mple/Elige reason why s1mple beat device last year was 1. he had similar MVPs to device 2. he was ahead in almost every stat vs device (not to mention huge rating advantage over device) this year: s1mple is very close in rating to device and way less achievements Elige vs s1mple 3/4 is the main thing rn this depends on how well Elige performs at ECS/BLAST finals Elige definitely has the upperhand achievement-wise though
2019-11-19 01:57
#55
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Canada Herodionus 
I still think device will get it Inb4 flair checks out Device trails behind zywoo and s1mple by about 0.03-0.05 depending on the way you compare stats(top 20, big event, land, etc) however HLTV also factors in team performance, albeit not as much as stats. So when the stats are that close but the team performance and achievements are so different, he has a strong chance Also in 2018, S1mple got top 1 over device because while performance was a factor, s1mple had a 0.10 rating over device, this year it's nowhere near that large
2019-11-19 02:07
#101
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
flair checks out
2019-11-19 16:25
#107
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Canada Herodionus 
+1 Nice argument, very intuitive
2019-11-19 16:30
Lul device??? Omg must be hater for s1mple???
2019-11-19 02:13
#60
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Finland Love_God 
1. Zywoo 2. Dev1ce 3. Elige 4. S1mple 5. Brehze? Magisk? Naf?
2019-11-19 08:53
#100
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
nt meme scene 1. s1mple 2. electronic 3. dev2ce 4. EliGe 5. Brehze/ZyWho
2019-11-19 16:24
1. device, deserved tbh, GOAT in CS:GO
2019-11-19 08:55
#62
Boo | 
France mbl4 
But this isn't the title of the GOAT in csgo here
2019-11-19 08:56
I have no idea what you're trying to say. Take the frog out of your mouth.
2019-11-19 08:57
#64
Boo | 
France mbl4 
0/8 stop baiting inuit
2019-11-19 08:57
Try to make yourself understandable arab
2019-11-19 08:59
#66
Boo | 
France mbl4 
Calm down kiddo, you obviously miss playing fortnite
2019-11-19 09:00
Yeah, so Fortnite and beta shit like that is more your generation type of stuff. You should really work on your English skills though buddy, just a good advice if you're going to use HLTV.org in your future endeavours.
2019-11-19 09:02
#68
Boo | 
France mbl4 
Yeah because I obviously made english mistakes in my previous sentences. "Your generation" I'm pretty sure you're still a kiddo with no facial hair but nt
2019-11-19 09:03
You just didn't make sense at all, probably because french frogs arab shits like you can't speak proper English. I know your sister had her mustache as 12 year old, so thats not really a comparable parameter to use. Though me being from the 80s, I had hair around my dick before you got teeth ;-)
2019-11-19 09:05
#72
Boo | 
France mbl4 
If you can't understand a sentence even a 2 years old would understand, you are clearly the dumb guy here. Cool for you gen z, you must be proud to be considered an old fag now
2019-11-19 09:06
It make sense in your delusional head, but in reality it doesn't. Its your lack of cognitive abilities and obviously English skills. Don't worry froggie, common traits amongst arabs in France.
2019-11-19 09:12
#75
Boo | 
France mbl4 
I'm still waiting for you to tell me the mistake I made. Oh wait you can't because there is not. Stupid baiter
2019-11-19 09:16
#97
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
0/8 s1mple goat of CS
2019-11-19 16:24
#69
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Finland Cucumberous 
I think PC is best device for hltv
2019-11-19 09:04
#71
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Anyone but device and S1mple
2019-11-19 09:05
#96
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
cry is free s1mple will be top 1 again
2019-11-19 16:23
I meant everyone but device.... And S1mple. Like device isn't going to be top 1
2019-11-19 18:52
Why even duscussing that? OFC ZywOo is top 1 of 2019 . It will be 1. ZywOo 2. s1mple 3. device 4. EliGE 5. Brehze or electronic
2019-11-19 11:47
#79
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Portugal azetecapt 
rip nIko :(
2019-11-19 11:50
#95
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
0/8 1. s1mple 2. electronic 3. dev2ce 4. EliGe 5. Brehze/ZyWho
2019-11-19 16:23
nt sam2k
2019-11-19 16:48
#78
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Portugal azetecapt 
Elige is a pure rifler dont forget that, it's more difficult to get better stats in this case..
2019-11-19 11:50
ZywOo isn't that good, his team can't frag. He's the only fragger and sometimes baits his teammates not much, but its noticeable on the other hand Astralis all can frag where it is much harder to get kills so I think its going to be device. You can't ignore his high stats in a world class team where everybody frags where Vitality is full of washed up old players RPK show hasn't shown a lot apex average Alex decent igl
2019-11-19 11:51
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA PUT DEVICE IN VITALITY INSTEAD OF ZYWOO AND THE TEAM WONT EVEN QUALIFY FOR ANY LAN HOW RETARDED DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO THINK DEVICE>ZYWOO/SIMPLE JUST BECAUSE HIS TEAM IS BETTER JESUS CHRIST HLTV BRAIN
2019-11-19 11:55
#84
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Denmark Menterx 
Your caps lock are on mate....
2019-11-19 12:09
device doesn’t have his entire team playing for him lol it’s harder to get kills as a superstar on astralis than it is on vitality where you have 4 tacos to bait
2019-11-19 16:51
it's literally the opposite and proven by stats every time a team is upgraded it's much more difficult to get kills when your team is ecoing or playing 3v5 at the beginning of each round and the myth of "entire team playing for him" and "bait" is weak af, zywoo is entrying, supporting and clutching, as proven by stats and observation you're just transforming reality so it fits what you would like it to be
2019-11-19 18:19
#119
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
The team does play for him and set him up (as most teams do for their stars) but that doesnt validate his argument. Players like device and s1mple get just as much help from their teammates to enable them. It's about what they do with it and zywoo has done more than anyone this year.
2019-11-19 18:21
Zywoo no chance for 1st , 0 big event , maybe 3.zywoo
2019-11-19 12:10
#94
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
+1 very lucky if top 5 tbh
2019-11-19 16:22
#120
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Winning events was never required to be the top 1 player, that's a team based statistic
2019-11-19 18:22
#136
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Denmark d1ckweed 
1 Big Event win.
2019-11-20 08:41
Its going to be Zywoo,he was way too good as a player.Unless he drops off in the next weeks I'd easily bet on hin
2019-11-19 15:05
#93
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
plastic fan
2019-11-19 16:22
#118
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Logical fan*
2019-11-19 18:20
#129
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
did i ask you? fuck outta here
2019-11-19 23:29
#132
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Make me
2019-11-20 01:29
#90
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Reunion Edjon 
sam2k lurking watch out monkaW
2019-11-19 15:06
Reply needs to have actual content
2019-11-19 16:25
if device keeps up his form for the past month he will be top 1 easily otherwise zywoo hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7592/devi.. “device is an eco fragger !!!!”
2019-11-19 16:38
s1mple deserve top 1 in this year, but he doesnt have much mvps, so top 1 will be device, not zywho
2019-11-19 16:51
#113
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Slovakia veeellys 
I can't remember simple from this year only if he streams and i think it doesn't count
2019-11-19 16:59
#128
Boo | 
France mbl4 
No way s1mple deserves top 1 this year. He still is the best player in the world imo, but ZywOo just had a better display this year
2019-11-19 20:23
#117
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Last year wasnt close This year isnt close Team achievements arent going to carry harder than individual performance and impact in an INDIVIDUAL award.
2019-11-19 18:19
#125
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Bulgaria goatse 
1 zywoo 2 simple 3 idk 4 device
2019-11-19 18:55
it's someone from astralis for sure lol. huutista for everyone who thinks zywoo
2019-11-19 18:58
the real top 1 is the childe niko and cold are gonna have
2019-11-19 23:30
Zywoo s1mple hasn't played in ages and dev1ce is amazing, but individually nowhere near those 2
2019-11-19 23:33
#135
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Denmark d1ckweed 
Depends on whether or not dev1ce bags the upcoming events and the MVP awards. The only event ZywOo is gonna be playing this year is EPICENTER. Might get an invite to cs_summit 5 but that's still a Bronze tier MVP medal (if he wins it).
2019-11-20 08:40
V$M
2019-11-20 08:45
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