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UK ELECTION 2019
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
who would you vote for mens?????
2019-11-18 16:58
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TRUMP2020
2019-11-18 16:59
#2
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
thats not uk menssss :(
2019-11-18 16:59
That is right, you guys have Boris instead. Same thing really.
2019-11-18 17:06
#27
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
same haircut same waistline same politics
2019-11-18 17:06
And both lie frequently or plain make up shit. Like all the lies Boris made about the EU even when he was a "journalist".
2019-11-18 17:10
And both are financed by Putin.
2019-11-18 17:13
and earth is flat
2019-11-18 18:13
Trump has said he couldnt get loans anywhere else but Russia. In UK Johnson party has gotten millions from Russia and they have russian stealing oligarchs as friends. Move along, fake news :D And get a real job Sergei.
2019-11-18 21:29
+1
2019-11-18 21:43
#153
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Canada Herodionus 
Orange man bad
2019-11-19 00:16
Great defense. Well I guess best you Sergei's can come up with when the money trail cant be denied.
2019-11-19 08:27
#160
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Canada Herodionus 
If existence of one comes out, then I'll condemn him, but until then it's innocent until proven guilty, or did you forget the basic principles of a fair judicial system?
2019-11-19 14:54
All proof is out there you retard. Proven that financed by Russian criminals.
2019-11-19 16:09
#175
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Canada Herodionus 
When that "proof" is passed through court and he's found guilty then I'll agree, retard
2019-11-19 16:16
LOL. Get a real job sergei. Only paid trolls spread dumber stuff than that :D Proof in court to something he has admitted :D :D ;D
2019-11-19 18:43
#187
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Canada Herodionus 
Cry harder "Everyone who disagrees with me online is a bot or a paid troll, I have the best opinion"
2019-11-19 18:53
"I have real opinions, it just happens to be the same exact shit spread by russian bots" :D
2019-11-20 14:40
#242
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Canada Herodionus 
"orange man isn't that bad" oMg RuSsIaN bOt
2019-11-20 15:29
pretty racist
2019-11-20 12:23
Do they employ one race only?
2019-11-20 14:39
#126
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United States not_fbi 
lol retard enhedslisten voter spotted
2019-11-18 21:33
+1
2019-11-18 18:11
#218
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Finland ToxicDUD 
FOUR MORE YEARS
2019-11-20 11:58
Who cars? You voted for Brexit a while ago and still haven't done it. One election at a time
2019-11-18 17:00
Referendum =/= election
2019-11-18 17:00
Whatever, same shit
2019-11-18 17:01
Not at all
2019-11-18 17:04
Just get Brexit done pls :(((( Either decide to stay or get out but stop asking for more time :(
2019-11-18 17:05
For either of those things to happen we need more time xd
2019-11-18 17:13
waddafak men(((((((
2019-11-18 17:15
#9
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
cause brexit brains thought it would be easy to leave and thats why im asking to see if anyone cars :)
2019-11-18 17:01
I like that Boris guy because his haircut makes me feel superior to him 😎👍
2019-11-18 17:02
+1
2019-11-19 16:17
Merkel
2019-11-18 17:00
#5
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Finland Diddy_Kong 
Noboaty cars
2019-11-18 17:00
#8
Stewie2K | 
United States bxteme 
Complete Brexit first
2019-11-18 17:01
#11
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
the election was called because we cant complete brexit burger man
2019-11-18 17:02
Wtf
2019-11-18 17:03
Easier said
2019-11-18 17:33
Winston Churchill ofc
2019-11-18 17:01
#14
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Netherlands JeffreyC 
+1
2019-11-18 17:02
#32
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Norway PeteZz 
Legend. The party leaders of today wouldn’t even be worthy of cleaning up his cum.
2019-11-18 17:08
#37
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
i mean all the bloke had was good speeches was shit in most other aspects haha
2019-11-18 17:09
#95
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Norway PeteZz 
He was shit at domestic policies and in general being peace-time PM. But was the perfect war-time PM.
2019-11-18 18:01
#12
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Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
Liberal Democrats
2019-11-18 17:02
#20
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
why?
2019-11-18 17:05
#158
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Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
Cuz I'm European Citizen so if I were able to vote I'd want to cancel Brexit
2019-11-19 10:07
no one
2019-11-18 17:03
Brexit means Brexit
2019-11-18 17:03
#144
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United Kingdom yungblades 
Brexit means let the tories piss about for a couple of years
2019-11-18 22:35
Boris Johnson ofc
2019-11-18 17:04
#22
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
big up fatty
2019-11-18 17:05
Yeah
2019-11-18 23:02
#23
Plopski | 
Spain Paela 
Brexit means Brexit
2019-11-18 17:05
#24
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Libya VeryGreenMan 
Whoever is most far right 😎
2019-11-18 17:05
#31
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
name doesnt check out
2019-11-18 17:08
#26
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Conservatives.
2019-11-18 17:06
#28
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
why?
2019-11-18 17:07
#145
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United Kingdom yungblades 
tory bastard
2019-11-18 22:36
Na just better than the rest
2019-11-18 22:41
#29
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Norway PeteZz 
Sinn fein
2019-11-18 17:07
#30
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
why?
2019-11-18 17:07
Who ever will cancel Brexit and restore sanity.
2019-11-18 17:08
Labour or Liberal Democrats, then, the latter wants to actually cancel it, whereas the former wants another referendum, but the latter isn't really all that popular
2019-11-18 17:12
don't vote Labour of you want to stay in the eu
2019-11-18 17:34
Okay but it can't ever be as simple as your #1 choice always winning (for example if I wanted to avert Brexit so I'd vote lib dems), people still have to strategically vote because our voting system is just backwards. People aren't stupid, and we don't need a first-past-the-post system for simplicity's sake. If it has to be Conservatives or Labour (as you probably know, that's the case in most constituencies), and I want to stay in the EU, I sure as hell won't be voting for the Conservatives.
2019-11-18 17:42
I agree with you on every point except for "People aren't stupid" - they are
2019-11-18 17:57
Okay, yes, they are, but they're not stupid enough to need first-past-the-post.
2019-11-18 18:29
That's not why we have it, we have the system because it allows the big parties to maintain the political status quo
2019-11-18 19:04
Sure, but one of the justifications is that it's a simple system and that we 'need' a simple system. Although it's certainly an excuse for what you said, but we can only dismantle it by breaking down the arguments for it.
2019-11-21 02:41
#34
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Finland Love_God 
Conservatives so they can finally get brexit done
2019-11-18 17:09
#40
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
why do you want the uk to leave the eu?
2019-11-18 17:10
#45
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Finland Love_God 
I want the UK to leave the EU, but this isn't about that. I have mixed feelings about the EU, but I believe that when the British people voted to leave it should be respected.
2019-11-18 17:12
#51
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
do you think thats the case even when theres good reason to believe that the 2% majority who voted to leave voted due to proven lies? and that such a huge decision should be implemented when the vote was almost 50/50?
2019-11-18 17:14
#65
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
there is no evidence proving that the 2% were swayed by the direct lies. there were lies on the other side bear in mind, people on the remainer side said there would be a recession directly after we voted to leave, but that didnt happen either.
2019-11-18 17:18
#72
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
but dont you think after 3 years of information and both sides of the argument having their say it would make more sense to have a second vote to try and unite as many people as possible? as alot of voters especially in the north didnt really know what the positives/negatives of leaving were and alot voted for the first time in the referendum as they felt their vote finally mattered
2019-11-18 17:23
#77
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
- having another referendum now makes our future position extremely weak (indecisiveness) - it sets a precedent where all future referendum results can be overturned by demanding a 2nd one - saying "voters in the north" is a veiled way of saying "retarded idiots who shouldnt be allowed to vote", either you believe in letting even the morons vote, or you dont believe in democracy - you have an issue with people who usually dont vote finally feeling like they had a political impact, and your solution is to utterly remove all politcal impact they have?
2019-11-18 17:27
#87
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
well this is gonna be a long one -having another second referendum (in my view) doesnt make us look weak it makes us look responsible not wanting to jump head first into uncertainty and has a chance to try and build the divide caused by the first referendum rather than try to push aside half the populous (the conservatives want to forget about the 16+ million people who voted to remain. The lib dems want to forget about the 17+ million people who voted to leave) for me personally i see labours policy on brexit a sensible one which doesnt expand the divide in our country. -I dont believe that any referendum will have no where near the same impact and divide that the brexit referendum did so to say that all other futures referendums could be overturned is completely unfounded because there would never be the same public outrage as this one. -I never was trying to proclaim that people in the north who voted to leave are "retarded idiots" I said "voters in the north" because its a fact that the leave vote in the north was dramatically higher than in the south and that the working class in the north continually feel like they've been ignored by central government ever since the loss of the coal mines and steel industry. I believe everyone has the right to vote no matter their background or where they live as its everyones democratic right to vote for their representatives. -I don't have an "issue with people who usually dont vote" its their choice i was just simply stating a fact that in the majority people who voted to leave who hadnt voted in the past probably didnt have the knowledge of the EU and politics as a whole as people you regularly vote. (in my opinion) alot of people who voted leave voted to leave because they saw it as it was the EU controlling aspects of their lives which was actually controlled by local/central government.
2019-11-18 17:47
#89
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
if you call a 2nd referendum, the people who usually dont vote will go back to not voting and all that political engagement that has been produced will go right down the drain. probably record numbers of people abstaining from the vote since its just invalid - like calling a second election after you side loses, saying "but they were LYING and you shouldnt let THEM choose the future for you, you should let US, because WE'RE BETTER"
2019-11-18 17:53
#92
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
i mean that wasnt what happened in parliament at all the opposition was opposed to the deal in question not listening to the British people and delivering brexit. What labour wants to do is renegotiate a deal that they think is a better one than boris johnsons deal that protects rights and then put that to the people. To me thats a different vote to the one in 2016 because the british people voted to leave so they also have the right to choose how we leave
2019-11-18 17:58
#94
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
labour is an incompetent mess, if they are to win itd be with a horrendously weak minority government with essentially no mandate from the british people, making a future renegotiation of a deal far more difficult for the uk. in politics, it doesnt matter what one does, it matters that they do it decisively, and labour is not a decisive party.
2019-11-18 18:00
#99
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
well a future renegotiation at this point would be much easier than it was at the start under the tories as since its been 3 years already and the EU will want to get the deal done as fast as possible I really dont see how it will take longer than 6months as thats the deadline for labour to renegotiate and take it to the british people which is much more democratic than the other two parties policies on brexit at the moment
2019-11-18 18:07
#104
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
i also like how you decide to ignore all my other points where as i addressed all of yours
2019-11-18 18:16
#116
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
you "addressed" my points by reiterating the fact that people who often dont vote finally voted in the referendum, and then by ignoring the fact that you said "voters in the north didnt understand what they were voting for", which is, as i said, a veiled way of saying that theyre stupid.
2019-11-18 19:18
#151
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
i mean you didnt point out those words you just pointed out when i said "voters in the north" not the following statement so i addressed exactly what you said XD
2019-11-19 00:12
#76
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
and im not saying their wasnt lies on the other side aswell the tories ran a fucking horrible remain campaign just trying to scare people into voting remain which didnt work
2019-11-18 17:26
#79
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
the fact is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the dumb "350 million a week" line swayed anyone. at this point, no one believes any facts and figures that politicians present, to think otherwise is unspeakably naive.
2019-11-18 17:30
#86
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Finland Love_God 
Doesn't matter if it's 99-1 or 51-49, a result is a result and the people's wish in a democratic society should be valued.
2019-11-18 17:46
#35
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Norway PeteZz 
Dunno. They know how to build solid C4 charges
2019-11-18 17:09
UKIP
2019-11-18 17:10
#42
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
you're probably their last voter
2019-11-18 17:10
Tories have a huge majority in my constituency so they'll win anyway, and we voted leave here too so there's no chance that people will vote for someone else to stop Brexit. I hate all of them anyway but I don't want to support no deal brexit or Corbyn so I'll probably end up voting Lib Dem, who I think came second last year.
2019-11-18 17:10
#46
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
what are your problems with corbyn and johnson?
2019-11-18 17:12
Johnson's happy to pursue No Deal, which I don't want. He's also a bit of a muppet. And I don't want to support Corbyn because he's a weak leader, and has a cabinet full of socialists.
2019-11-18 17:15
#61
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
"has a cabinet full of socialists" you forgot the bit where he himself is a raging communist with no brain
2019-11-18 17:17
Well yeah, I kind of meant that too.
2019-11-18 17:20
#62
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
why do you think that corbyn is a weak leader?. And what do you think your main issues about socialism are?
2019-11-18 17:17
Because for months he wouldn't actually pick a side, remain or leave, and even now he's just kind of in between, because a lot of Labour supporters in the north supported Brexit he doesn't want to piss them off and lose votes. Obviously you're trying to get votes but when you just don't make a decision because of it then it's just stupid. And his party is also full of remainers. His (ex) deputy constantly contradicting him shows how divided the party is. As for the socialism part, it just seems that all of his policies are going to be spending billions that we don't have. Improving the NHS, which is a given, but also nationalising everything he can will cost a fortune, free internet for all, free childcare, and there's more that I can't remember off the top of my head, and he plans to get all of that money just from taxing the rich more? It's not enough, he's either going to have to tax the rest of us to do any of that or he'll run up the national debt even more, which at least the Tories have been trying to reduce.
2019-11-18 17:41
#90
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
i mean pretty simple answers to both of these for me the reason he wouldnt pick a side is he wanted to make everyone happy and himself likes some parts of the EU and doesnt like other parts labours main constituencies are in the leave areas and his membership is overwhelmingly remain but i agree he shouldve agreed on a second referendum sooner. and as far as money spending it was fully costed in the last manifesto and they've said that it'll be fully costed in this one aswell to me their policies make sense as taking things into public ownership helps stop companies ripping people off and stops the government having to bail out private companies when they go bust to stop people losing their jobs.
2019-11-18 17:53
Check the 20th century
2019-11-18 17:49
#73
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United Kingdom Breezeeh 
The lib dems want to revoke democracy though
2019-11-18 17:24
They want to, but they won't. There is 0 chance that they win a majority.
2019-11-18 17:42
#110
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United Kingdom Breezeeh 
True. Still wouldn’t want to support a party with those intentions though.
2019-11-18 18:39
Well I won't vote Labour or Tory either, so my options then become pretty limited.
2019-11-18 19:08
#117
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United Kingdom Breezeeh 
Spoil your ballot mens
2019-11-18 19:23
What's the point
2019-11-18 19:31
#121
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United Kingdom Breezeeh 
To make a political stance that there’s nobody that represents you
2019-11-18 19:39
Well, who's going to see that? Are they counted?
2019-11-18 20:41
#127
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United Kingdom Breezeeh 
Yeah, they’re counted. Spoilt ballots play a larger role in politics than you would think
2019-11-18 21:33
0.3% of the ballot? How?
2019-11-18 23:14
I live in Brighton, and we always have a Green seat, so I'd probably either vote Green, Labour, or not at all since my vote won't really matter.
2019-11-18 17:12
#57
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
never been to brighton is it noice?
2019-11-18 17:15
Yeah, it's pretty noice. I think it's one of the top end cities, but I guess I'm biased. We do have a problem with homeless people, though.
2019-11-18 17:19
#70
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
and gays
2019-11-18 17:21
#74
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United Kingdom aight_dontbet 
true too many gays in brighton. i once went there to visit a friend and one guy came up to me on the street and started sucking my dick.
2019-11-18 17:25
#80
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
wtfmen
2019-11-18 17:33
I’d vote SNP just to see the country burn
2019-11-18 17:13
#53
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
what dont you like about the snp? XD
2019-11-18 17:14
Everything
2019-11-18 17:15
#59
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
thats not a very good reason haha
2019-11-18 17:15
They are basically just Labour with a different coat of paint. I doubt many of them even care about Scotland at all.
2019-11-18 17:18
#68
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
the first point I'd say is fair why do you think that the snp doesnt care about scotland?
2019-11-18 17:20
#75
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United Kingdom Breezeeh 
They claim to be a nationalist party when in reality they don’t care about being independent since they want to remain in the eu
2019-11-18 17:25
#78
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
well they want to be an independent country and being a member of the eu doesnt change that does it?
2019-11-18 17:27
#108
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United Kingdom Breezeeh 
Because they would only be independent in name only. I’m not even a brexiteer, before anyone says I am
2019-11-18 18:38
If you believe that the snp claim to be nationalist in the traditional sense then you are in need of some serious help
2019-11-18 17:55
#109
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United Kingdom Breezeeh 
You tell me what sense they mean then
2019-11-18 18:38
whoever finally will finish brexit
2019-11-18 17:14
#54
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
why do you think brexit needs to be finished?
2019-11-18 17:15
because uk are the burgers of europe. they sabotage the eu and prevent us from being a world power.
2019-11-18 18:29
#130
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Greenland MIBR_PLAYERS 
No? Germany knows they can't win another war so they are trying to get control of Europe via the EU. Dirty scumbags
2019-11-18 21:50
#60
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
conservative in a middle class or rich area, brexit party in a poor area.
2019-11-18 17:16
#63
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
why?
2019-11-18 17:18
#69
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
because the conservatives can win the rich areas and the brexit party can win the poor. libdems are weak cowards, labour is full of disgusting communists, ukip is too controversial, green are morons.
2019-11-18 17:20
TULSI2020
2019-11-18 17:21
#96
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United States PsychoLogical 
YANG2020
2019-11-18 18:02
Tulsi Yang and Bernie should make an anti-establishment 3rd party. it wouldnt win the presidency but it would bring attention to the corruption within the democratic party.
2019-11-18 18:04
#98
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Norway PeteZz 
Back in the day I could go either way. Yeah Blair wasn't perfect, far from it, but he was mostly a man of reason (-Iraq). Back then conservatives used to be pretty decent back in the day too. Cameron wasn't that either bad imo. But nowadays it's like choosing between between the plague and cholera. Johnson and Corbyn are both horrible. I don't envy my british bros.
2019-11-18 18:06
#101
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
what are your problems with johnson and corbyn?
2019-11-18 18:12
#103
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
as far as Cameron goes hes the little weasel who got us into this mess by calling a referendum when their wasnt the demand for one it was just for his parties gain to stop UKIP taking votes from them.
2019-11-18 18:14
#113
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Norway PeteZz 
That I agree with. Was thinking Cameron more pre-2015.
2019-11-18 18:58
i would want someone to rule like queen Mary but no one will ever be that good of a ruler, so no point in voting, perhaps if we could get the brexit that we voted for it would be good
2019-11-18 18:25
Which brexit was that exactly? The one with the "easiest deal ever" and fairies and rainbows brexiteers promised before the referendum? Or the die hard get it done whatever the cost one that's on the table right now?
2019-11-20 12:55
if the remainers had cooperated instead of pretending that the uk would be irrelevant without the eu/ throwing hissy fits because they lost then the easiest deal ever would have been possible, but no deal benefits the uk anyway.
2019-11-20 16:26
So you still live in fantasyland where remainers are at fault for all the brexit troubles and the tories that didn't even try to talk to the opposition until they already hammered their version of a deal out with the EU is blameless. You brexiteers sure live with your head in the sand lol. Also "no deal" isn't exactly what brexiteers promised before the referendum. They promised the opposite but now everything is good enough for their stupid fanbase lol. They'll eat shit and call it cake lol.
2019-11-21 09:44
i dont live in a fantasy land, i accept the truth. being abused by the eu has hurt what was once a beautiful country
2019-11-21 15:48
Yeah, how exactly did the EU abuse you? Be specific please lol.
2019-11-23 10:27
I just want to see another vote. :) It's such a huge mess but just give us another vote, I just wanna see the results.
2019-11-18 18:47
Restore the monarchy under Gordon Ramsey
2019-11-18 18:47
#136
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
sounds like a decent plan to me just need to make sure they get the lamb sauce
2019-11-18 21:56
#118
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United Kingdom Klashnekoff 
Labour
2019-11-18 19:23
#134
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
why?
2019-11-18 21:55
i do not even know the candidates
2019-11-18 21:31
#133
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
Conservatives - Boris Johnson Far Right leaning (Leave) Labour - Jeremy Corbyn Left wing/far left on some topics (Sec ref) Liberal Democrats - Jo Swinson centrist bit more left leaning nowadays (remain) there are other parties but those are the biggest 3
2019-11-18 21:54
#129
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Greenland MIBR_PLAYERS 
Conservatives >>>>>>>>>>> Labour Corbyns a complete wankstain of a human
2019-11-18 21:45
#131
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
why do you think that?
2019-11-18 21:51
#159
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Greenland MIBR_PLAYERS 
He's a damn extreme left wing radical communist who wants to make everyone the same, no matter how much success they have had. He wants the richest people to get the same amount of money as the poor lower class scum, by taxing the rich 80% of their hard earned money and tax the poor scums on benefits 1%. He is also a massive threat to the National Security of the UK. He will put us all in danger, he wants to remove the Trident nuclear deterrent, which is one of the UKs most valuable assets, instead he thinks he can "talk it out" with other leaders, even in the middle of a full out nuclear war when the UK is being blown into atoms. Corbyn also sympathises with terrorists, which is EXTREMELY bad for the security and safety of the UK. I can list 100 times Corbyn has supported or sympathized with terrorists. He is also going around saying "free this, free that" for everyone in the UK, if he ever comes into power he will put the UK into more extreme debt then it's already in. I would rather vote for the Tories and be £2000 less rich, outside of the EU, a year than suffer the rest of my life in fear of the UK being attacked, whether its Russia or Terrorists. Corbyn has tried to get the UK to stay in the EU by delaying Brexit everytime we have the opportunity to leave, which is a massive disgrace, the EU is a bunch of immigrant loving, left wing tossers who make appalling laws, and threaten the growth of the UK.
2019-11-19 13:21
#163
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
well then i can see that you dont get your media from many places hahaha well i dont have all day to respond to all that waffle of a rant but id love to hear this "list" of 100 times you can say that Corbyn has supported or sympathized with terrorists. and the rest of what you've said just isnt anywhere near labour policy. Go look up their policies mate its pretty easy even though you're definitely the type of person whos mind is never going to change
2019-11-19 15:26
#178
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Greenland MIBR_PLAYERS 
2019-11-19 16:34
#132
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Netherlands wesbvb 
Charlie Chaplin
2019-11-18 21:52
Scottish National Party
2019-11-18 22:15
#164
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
why?
2019-11-19 15:28
#139
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Brazil eumesmo 
Churchill is pretty dope
2019-11-18 22:22
Imagine even voting lmao #PooOnBallotGang
2019-11-18 22:52
#165
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
poor bloke who opens that letter
2019-11-19 15:28
Not Jezza
2019-11-19 00:15
#166
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
why?
2019-11-19 15:28
Don't think he's fit to the run the country + has strange policies, seems manipulative.
2019-11-19 15:34
#183
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
what do you think makes him weak? and what policies dont you like?
2019-11-19 17:18
A lot of what he says I feel is just not going to happen/Ridiculous. For example Free university. 1. That's going to cost too much. 2. Places will be cut and It will literally make it harder to go uni and only benefit even smarter and richer people. (I'm a uni student btw) Another example which tbh I've always been iffy on and don't really completely disagree or agree with is raising the minimum wage. Having worked in retail before I think the pay can be very unfair and honestly can be very appalling. However It will most probably cause inflation and if the minimum wage will be for all ages, businesses such as restaurants will only take on older people as they're more reliable and can do more. Also to add raising the tax more for richer people is unfair.
2019-11-19 19:11
btw I didn't mean to say inflation but cost of living. Basically if the min wage goes up, prices will go up so It makes no odds.
2019-11-19 19:17
From what little I care to read about your politics I don't think I would vote, they all seem incompetent. Their primary concern seem to be bickering with eachother and trying their best to make their opposition and anyone who disagrees with them from their own ranks look shit. It's not politics anymore, it's a circus with no purpose other than personal gain and media attention.
2019-11-19 08:33
There is not a good choice at the moment, labour/conservatives are absolute jokes which is a problem as none of the other parties can be taken seriously
2019-11-19 16:16
#156
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United Kingdom Mattthematt 
Conservative because I dont think i could ever take myself seriously again if I vote for that joke of a candidate corbyn
2019-11-19 08:37
#161
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Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
Liberal Democrats are good alternative))
2019-11-19 14:55
#201
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Hshahahahaha
2019-11-20 10:54
#203
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Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
ok boomer
2019-11-20 11:05
#204
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Just vote conservative to get brexit done, after that you can vote whatever you want.
2019-11-20 11:25
#206
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Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
I don't want Brexit to be done, I'll have to leave the UK xd
2019-11-20 11:35
#208
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Boris said EU Nationals can remain right?
2019-11-20 11:36
#211
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Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
I think Boris said "Execute them filthy immigrants" but I may have been right, anyways, Brexit brings too many insecurities for me, so I'd rather have it not happen
2019-11-20 11:39
#212
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Yeah but you have to respect the referendum, in the end the majority of the voters wanted to leave. Labour promised that they would deliver brexit as well.
2019-11-20 11:40
#222
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Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
Yeah I guess. Imo it's stupid that they made it a binding referendum, especially with only such a minor difference in outcome. But ur right, if you want to respect the democracy, you got to carry out the referendum, even though I'll be fucked :D
2019-11-20 12:17
#228
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
You won't be fucked. Don't believe the doomsayers in the long run I think it won't matter a lot
2019-11-20 12:34
#236
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Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
well I want to do my masters here as well, but with Brexit it will cost me €27000 instead of €9000
2019-11-20 13:54
#237
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Why not in the Netherlands, unless you go to LSE, Cambridge or Oxford universities in NL aren't that much worse perhaps even better
2019-11-20 14:20
#241
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Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
No I think most UK universities are better tbh
2019-11-20 14:59
#249
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Ah I'm going to university next year. Probably in the Netherlands though. What do you study?
2019-11-20 17:05
#257
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Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
International Business and Languages
2019-11-21 11:09
+1
2019-11-19 15:35
#182
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
why do you think corbyn is a joke of a candidate?
2019-11-19 17:17
#184
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United Kingdom Mattthematt 
He’s a relic from the 70s. Times have moved on and I’m not interested in romantic socialist notions. At the end of the day all I care about is the economy doing well and Corbyn would destroy the economy with his daft dream to nationalise everything
2019-11-19 17:53
#192
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
i mean to be fair to him the party will have everything fully costed and hes the only one actually trying to future proof the economy by giving the chance for people who have lost their jobs in industry a chance to learn new skills and giving everyone free broadband which i personally dont think should be free but at the same time they're the only party offering full fibre for the whole country in 10 years which is very badly needed
2019-11-19 22:39
#243
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United Kingdom Mattthematt 
Fibre isn’t something that bothers me. Basically all urban areas have it now. My view is don’t live in the middle of nowhere if you want fast WiFi or pay for it yourself. I don’t see why the tax payer should foot the bill, if it’s not worth installing yourself why should everyone else pay? Broadband is not expensive, and it certainly isn’t essential. I won’t vote for him because I value my job and don’t trust him to not destroy the economy
2019-11-20 16:06
#252
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
well as far as full fibre goes only 10% of people in the uk have access to it and at a guess i would say that 90% of the population doesnt live in the middle of nowhere and labour have said time and time again that it wont raise taxes and their manifesto is coming out tomorrow so it would be a bit fucking retarded if they suddenly changed policy on that. and depending what job you have I dont see anyway it would even be possible to destroy the economy with fully costed policies. Its a fuck ton of money but its needed if we want a change from the tories which we've had for the last 9 years and they've done no fucking good for anyone other than their pals from eton
2019-11-20 23:45
Lol. Did you not see debates last night? Even Tory audience members laughed at Boris when he said he was an honest person...
2019-11-20 07:07
#245
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United Kingdom Mattthematt 
I posted that comment before the tv debate. A tv debate doesn’t change the fact that Corbyn is incompetent
2019-11-20 16:28
Sorry, didn't realise. How so?
2019-11-20 17:37
ofc i would vote for lib dem if i were englando.
2019-11-19 09:27
#181
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
why?
2019-11-19 17:17
political stands. liberal in both personal life and trade.
2019-11-20 10:54
#162
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Europe kiiri 
i'd likely vote labour
2019-11-19 14:57
#167
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
why?
2019-11-19 15:29
#248
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Europe kiiri 
because i have the B I G L E F T conservatives? no, they're very right-wing and they want brexit libdems? maybe but they're a bit too centrist to me. however, they do want to stop brexit which is nice snp, plaid cymru, regional parties in general? rather vote for someone with a wider scope brexit party? i'd rather dip my head into lava the greens do sound great and they are more environment-focused so yeah, either labour or greens
2019-11-20 16:52
MAGA2020 Get’em outta here KKonaW
2019-11-19 15:30
go labour so that i dont get sent back to lithuania
2019-11-19 15:35
#180
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
why labour and not lib dem?
2019-11-19 17:17
Certainly not labour
2019-11-19 16:10
#176
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United States not_fbi 
r they communist
2019-11-19 16:16
#179
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
why?
2019-11-19 17:16
Just a guess here, but probably Jeremy Corbyn and especially Diane Abbott.
2019-11-19 17:59
their policies are dangerously outdated and don't work, lying promising they will make all sorts free or subsidized etc when there is no fucking chance they will able to achieve the vast majority of it, also this country will be fucked if corbyn gets into power. Don't get me wrong i won't be voting conservatives either after this load of shit
2019-11-19 22:14
#193
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
you know this whole thread has been really interesting to me because everyone whos had a problem with corbyn doesnt actually have real reasons for it they just have the soundbites of the tabloids. Really shows how well this smear campaign has done
2019-11-20 00:48
Corbyn has proposed 1 very simple piece of legislation that ensures smooth transition. If you are a business currently residing in the UK, you are free to continue as you are. But if you want to pack up and leave to avoid paying your share, then the employees have legal right to buy you out and take it under co-operative ownership. This idea that he couldn't get any of it done is fantasy.
2019-11-20 07:04
#190
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Qatar PrisMcsgo 
Queen Elizabeth bro
2019-11-19 19:33
#194
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United Kingdom camzh 
conservative
2019-11-20 00:49
Labour. Abolish the monarchy, private prisons, private schools and the PREVENT program. Renationalize energy, healthcare, housing, water & public transport. Ending weapons sales to dictatorial regimes. Green industrial revolution.
2019-11-20 10:47
#199
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Yeah and destroy the economy in the meantime
2019-11-20 10:53
What exactly do you think an industrial revolution entails?....
2019-11-20 11:37
#210
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Machines started doing the work of farmers, bunch of people moved to the city. Then everyone started working in factories, economy grew and Britain had a lot of colonies. Socialism, liberalism etc came up
2019-11-20 11:39
So then how exactly do you think a modernised version would wreck it?
2019-11-20 11:48
#215
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Modernised version? Have communism?
2019-11-20 11:51
Try to stay rooted in reality....no-one's pushing for communism yet... When oil was introduced to the market, we made mass investments in public work programs. Same thing, but with technology...
2019-11-20 11:55
#217
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Public work programs don't actually create economic growth. Supply and demand decides what people want. Just confiscating tax money and then spending it on things without demand for it makes the economy stagnate
2019-11-20 11:58
#220
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
As if capitalism is the problem. First of all you can't blame climate change on capitalism. Capitalism is just an economy without government interference and someone/something pulling on the strings. The real fix to climate change is government interference but having a free market on the side not outright overthrowing capitalism. Imo climate change can be fixed if we invest in research into other sources of energy (nuclear/thorium) and have a tax on co2 so that companies have incentives to stop emitting carbon dioxide so they can make more profit.
2019-11-20 12:06
Carbon taxes are bs though. Roughly 100 companies emit around 70% of global emissions. Most of those are ones that rely HEAVILY on fossil fuel usage. What's more likely to happen? That British Gas would decarbonize as much as possible, or even realize that they should stop conducting business althogether? or That they'll happily pay the tax and cut employees instead?
2019-11-20 12:17
#225
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
If u can get energy in a more cost-effective way then that would put companies like British gas out of business. Look at the free market making electric cars. Not only are they more sustainable they also last longer. Btw why would companies want to emit less if that would make their profits rise?
2019-11-20 12:26
That right there is the mindset that's not based in reality though. I'll point this out off the start. No-one is looking to takeover the free market. What we want is the correct drive and integration of government and free market. With that being said, we do want to see takeover in places the market has proven to be not just ineffective, but completely antithetical to decent human life. Now, onto the actual topic. I'm not talking about your average everyday business that deals in retail or customer support or whatever. They most likely and, from my own experience with employers taking green measures, are going to decarbonize as much as possible. But let's look at BP for example. That's a business completely centred around fossil fuels. The hit they'd take from a £16/ton tax would be massive. But... It's better than alogether stopping. So they pay the tax, keep making profits, keep destroying the planet. Carbon taxes are a blindfold.
2019-11-20 12:49
#234
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
The tax will make bp look for alternative ways of getting profit. In supplying people with energy for their cars for example.
2019-11-20 13:41
Not if billions in subsidies and a government that denies climate change still exist...
2019-11-20 13:47
#238
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Boris denies climate change???
2019-11-20 14:21
Boris not so much, he's very flip-floppy on the issue. One moment he'll say it's a threat, the next he'll whistle and look away. He just recently refused to take part in climate debates and pledged only £1.2b to help with green transition.
2019-11-20 17:30
#227
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Paying the tax won't make them cut employees, btw the employees are there for a reason namely to be productive and help the company supply it's customers with products/ services. Cutting employees would only make them less profit.
2019-11-20 12:28
#221
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
youtu.be/5QyXduteiWE Watch this instead
2019-11-20 12:09
Abolish the monarchy ????? Private prisons, agree but reform justice system as well Private schools, there are pros and cons i doubt you are aware of PREVENT program has good intentions but effectiveness should be investigated Nationalizing all of healthcare is a bad idea, but most of the NHS should be nationalized Nationalizing trains (which i'm assuming you're pointing to) is a stupid idea Weapon sales agreed I wouldn't say it would cause an industrial revolution on any scale but yes its needed Also i doubt Labour will do all of this in the 4 years they will most likely only be able to hold. Interest rates are going to skyrocket with all the borrowing that would be required and Labour is by no doubt going to push away all the companies still on the fence about staying due to Brexit.
2019-11-20 11:30
Yep, abolish the monarchy. Massive waste on taxpayers, undemocratic, outdated, etc... Private schools is one of the things I teetered on for a while, but in the end I've come to the belief that enabling privilege within the education system is what leads to people having a false sense of ego. PREVENT certainly has good intentions, but at the hands of anyone with ill-intent can be used horrifically, as has happened with spying on school kids. Not sure why it's perfectly fine to have free public transport for over-50's but no-one else...so yeah, nationalize transport infrastructure. As for Labour not being able to get it done, #195.
2019-11-20 11:57
1. They hold no real power, sure they could do certain things but there is no way in hell anyone would accept it, democracy doesn't need to apply to them if they don't hold power at all. A lot of people would argue its hugely symbolic of the UK and if you're so pro democracy you'd see polling shows the country is mostly in favour of the monarchy and the people against are mostly just wanting it to be changed a bit not abolished. It's estimated that the Royal Family generates £550 million for the UK tourism industry alone with visitors flocking to attractions such as the Tower of London, Windsor Castle and Buckingham Palace. They (only lmao) cost £41 million last year as far as im aware. 2. Yeah completely agree. Sure there are benefits but it helps the rich stay rich for no other reason than their parents were successful, some would argue that is why people become rich, to provide for their family. But there is a difference between providing and giving a kid a completely unfair advantage not to do with ability but their general affluence. 3. Yep i think it needs to be reviewed and maybe have more safeguards. The problem is making it public or at least part of it up for public consumption would be a awful idea. Honestly the UK is getting better with terrorism and i think its a bit outdated especially now the terror (rating? idk) has been reduced. 4. Well thats a very specific issue that can be changed rather than nationalizing an entire industry lmao 5. Honestly i have no clue if Labour can get it done but trusting politicians especially in the UK has become really hard. I think the UK has another choice between dumb and dumber just like the US. Shame really. My personal opinion is get Brexit done under Conservatives and then start getting Labour with more moderate policies to strengthen the good socialist policies but not make more. Guess thats perfect world tho.
2019-11-20 12:46
I mean those aren"t the only reasons, more a general belief that monarchies shouldn't exist. I understand it's good for tourism and is *mostly* symbolic at this point, but there are still some powers they hold that given the right circumstances could risk democracy. Yeah I know, weird thing to single out, but you get the idea. Having transport infrastructure under public control would have prevented the 3 year long train strikes that occured across London and the South East. The owners of the companies wanted to do away entirely with guards onboard trains, leaving all responsibilities and security duties to the driver. I can respect your position, but a Tory Brexit would be awful. Boris' approved deal is worse than his predecessors, and that one was a shitshow.
2019-11-20 13:35
#253
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
just wanted to say this on when you said that "My personal opinion is get Brexit done under Conservatives" the "Get Brexit Done" line is very powerful because it seems like a 1-way ticket to be finally be done with it and we can move on but that just isnt true it would be only the beginning. First if the conservatives get a majority government they've pledged to get a deal (probably the one already agreed with the EU) through the house of commons by the 31 of Jan 2020 if you believe them on that then that doesnt sound too bad but dont forget that they had the same type of "do or die" deal and johnson hasnt said if he'll force us out with no deal if he cant get his deal through by the 31 of Jan. Even assuming he does get the brexit deal through there will still be many years to come with even higher uncertainty which will hurt business tremendously as we would negotiate a deal with both the US and the EU which if Boris Johnson wants a Canada style deal with the EU it could take up to 7 years to finalise it. We also don't know what we will have to give to Donald Trump in a trade deal with the US. He and his presidential team has made it perfectly clear they desperately want access to the NHS and I doubt very much that Boris even if he doesn't want to give them access he will have little to no leeway on that as all the power will be in Americas hands as they know we will need this deal in order to keep our economy as stable as possible, also there's a worry that they would want to lower food standards in the UK and a possibility to have unmarked GMOs which are rampant in the US and have been proved to have very damaging chemicals in. all in all I trust Labour and Corbyn on brexit much more than I would ever trust Johnson. Especially Johnsons whole journey to no10 was based on deciding on whether to release a article supporting remain or leave and then deciding what would be best for his career not whats best for the country so there's still doubts on whether Johnson actually wants to deliver brexit at all.
2019-11-21 02:27
Vote Kanye West for president 2024
2019-11-20 10:51
#200
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Just vote for Boris
2019-11-20 10:53
#207
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Finland 0lter 
Boris the man
2019-11-20 11:36
Boris has to win From what I hear speaking to uk ppl in my WoW guild, their youth are properly brainwashed already and label anything rightwing, or torries, under racism/bigotry. If that creep Corbyn wins it's all downhill from there. Also their last chance to uphold democracy and will of the people, they voted leave, then leave, you cannot just revote or postpone until you get another decision, it's the rape of the people's vote, happened in the NL time and time again, government going against our referendum, and look at where we're at now, peoples vote here has become utterly pointless.
2019-11-20 12:31
#232
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Poland Czari10 
wow is best game atm :D
2019-11-20 13:14
#254
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
its really not about holding up democracy its about trying to unite a country divided. With a second ref there's at least a chance to quell the growing anger in our political system rather than what boris wants to do is just take us out with no public mandate for his deal with the hope that the "passionate" remainers will just go away and shut up which will just not happen as there's also a very scary chance that scotland will fully rebel like what happened in Northern Ireland as the big majority of scottish people voted to remain and they have no say in the brexit deal so for me there is a massively bigger demand for a referendum than there ever was in the first place and its very sensible to have another to be adults about it and try to unite people.
2019-11-21 02:36
So to "Unite" the country, you would invalidate a result voted for and won by a majority. That is not Uniting, that is putting the "Remainders" above the rest of the people. But I guess that is quite typical for the moral highground the left in general is trying to convey. There shouldn't be do-overs in referenda. As a Dutchman I know all about this, having been ignored in our last 3 referenda (which all 3 the majority vote was cast aside). An EU constitution (now the cause of so much legislative problems), Ukraine 'joining' the EU and harvesting our Organs, all either denied or after voting, signed anyway. Entire faith in our democratic system is gone, it means nothing anymore. There is a public mandate; the result of the referendum. A referendum means nothing if you can re-do it and have another chance to now. Because that results in huge problems; when demographics are 100% proven, you can target certain places to skew the vote, with either propaganda or other less clear methods they can come up with today. Let's imagine brexit wins again but now with 50.01% of the vote, you really think the remainders would now change their tune? They're already ready to toss aside any sort of democratic process to push through their oppinion on the matter, nothing will change this. And what about if 'remain' wins, democracy is dead then. Repeat until you win, nice system. Yes remain/brexit was always going to be hugely dividing, but the people that have actually won the vote have a right to see their will be done if it's a binding referendum, remainders have no right to change this, they lost. What remainders propose now is to both not uphold the constitution and to ignore a democrat result of a people's vote, they should be ashamed of themselves. What "Scotland" or "Birmingham" or "Liverpool" whatever wants is also irrelevant, you're all part of the united big nation, act like it. In the long run being owner of your own immigration laws, and not bound by ever-increasing EU contributions will only be good in the long run. Companies are actually moving their head-offices _to_ the UK, not _away_ from it, it's all doomscenario's, the scenario's which actually cause the financial turmoil, not the leaving itself. In 5-10 years you'll be fine and will be quite happy to be the owner of your own country. To put it in perspective; Here in the NL, if you can only afford relatively cheap housing, there is a waiting list of around 20 to 25 years at the moment. the NL oversigned 'ownership' of environment-protection to the EU for way too many parks/places, which now means all new Housing that was being built to solve our insane housing problem has now been put on hold, and the EU itself blocks any sort of lenience. On the other hand it demands we take in Refugee's, ever increasing the housing problem to inhumane standards. Solo people also are more or less unable to ever buy a house in todays market anymore. So, small things like this and the entire country cannot build anymore and can in NO WAY fix the problem as the EU has jurisdiction over it now. Be glad you are your own country soon, the EU will be much more crazy Environment-wise in the near, and especially far future.
2019-11-21 23:35
#260
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United Kingdom Shoomus 
well after reading all that its clear you dont have much information on whats happening in this country and theres probably not any chance of changing your mind since you seem very closed minded but ill give the very simple answers to your points and leave it there. 1 No it wouldn't invalidate the vote at all as its a fundamentally different vote before it was leave or remain simple as now that people are fully informed after 3 years of bs and know what the deal would be and they can decide after all this if they still want to leave or not. Me personally I voted leave and would again but i see almost everyday the growing divide in this country and theres honestly a real chance of the country falling into anarchy, the only way i can see that we can try to unite the country is another ref as it finally gives the people a final say rather than the politicians. 2 There is no mandate for his deal because there is no mandate for any deal or no deal almost everyone who voted leave me included had a different idea on what brexit should be and me and the rest of the country have the right to decide how our will is carried out that was the problem with the ref not being binded into something already in place to leave right away. The ref was poorly planned and rushed. 3 like i said before it wasnt a binding referendum and the tories didnt think in their wildest dreams they would lose the ref and had absolutely no plan on what to do if leave won and nor did the leave campaign which kinda surprised me. The tories also couldnt get any deal done and wouldnt cooperate with the other parties which was utterly disgusting as they decided to put party before country. Someone needs to clear up the mess the tories have left because frankly they've taken too long to try and trigger article 50 so there has to be a second ref even if it might end up being the opposite of what i want. 4 well you obviously have no idea whatsoever about the history and geography of the UK if you're prepared to group together a sub-nation and individual constituencies. Scotland had a Independence ref in 2014 with 45% voting yes and 55% voting no but scotland also voted to remain by quite a large margin i think 60/40 so if we leave and scotland has absolutely no say there will be more demand for another independence referendum and theres a very high chance that the SNP (Scottish National Party) will win a massive majority and will have a mandate for a second independence referendum and if one wasnt offered by central government there is a very good chance scotland could fully rebel against the UK like the IRA did until the early 2000s. 5 fully agree 6 k.
2019-11-22 00:53
Kanye west
2019-11-20 16:30
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