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Raising SG price is useless
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Macau Fluke_Skywalker 
The problem with SG is one just that it's too cheap, it's the fact that it's viable to have 5 SGs and that it can replace both AK and AWP while being better than AK in all aspects. If you just raise the price, as I've said before, T are still going to buy 5 of them when they have enough money, which snowballs into them getting even more money next round, etc. They don't buy 5 AWPs because they would get fucked, as AWP is a balanced complement to AK. The nerf that makes sense was to keep the price as it was but lower the firerate and possibly not make it 1 shot headshot. Then, the SG is not better than the AK in close range but still has the advantage in long range thanks to the scope. Then, you could see 2 terrorists buying AK for entrying and lurking close range, and 2 terrorists buying SG for holding sites long range after taking them, or to make entries on long bombsites. TLDR: It doesn't make sense to just raise the price if the weapon is still better than AK in all aspects and if it's viable to have 5 of them in a team.
2019-11-20 09:51
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Yeah you should have to choose between AK: Lower price, no scope, better fire rate and KRIEG: Higher price, scope, lower fire rate and better armor penetration.
2019-11-20 09:53
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2019-11-20 11:13
Belgium wiikz 
CS has never been as enjoyable to watch and close games as there are now. Krieg is not the problem it makes all better.
2019-11-20 09:55
yeah we can make the P90 1 shot kill too, then games will be even closer
2019-11-20 09:58
Switzerland Schwandi 
We could also start at 14:14 and then do a coinflip to determine who wins. Then every game is 16:14 just imagine, so many close games
2019-11-20 10:00
the close games are mostly due to the economy meta, but the krieg increases the skill floor and rewards good players less than the ak would. even a lot of analysts and casters think cs is worse to watch than it was before
2019-11-20 11:18
+1111111 Exactly what I wanted to answer to this guy.
2019-11-20 11:28
They should start making other guns more viable. AUG nerf went too far. Also make FAMAS burst useful again. Work on shotguns, SMGs etc.
2019-11-20 10:47
Not gonna change the fact that SG is bettee than AK in every situation
2019-11-20 11:04
objectively wrong since AK deals more base damage
2019-11-20 11:16
but SG will kill in 3 shots against armor and AK takes 4
2019-11-20 11:22
depends on where you hit your bullets
2019-11-20 11:22
Still, it has the capacity to kill in 3 bullets, AK does not have that capacity, so that base damage does not make a difference, the time to kill DOES especially considering fire rate
2019-11-20 11:24
AK does have it. -34 in stomach until enemy is far enough. SG can do it further though so yeah.
2019-11-20 11:31
2019-11-20 11:26
3300 would be better
2019-11-20 11:22
I think a slight fire rate change is the only thing that still makes sense. If it’s not a one shot headshot, no would would ever buy it. They could also change the armor penetration somewhat.
2019-11-20 11:25
Basically they just reset the situation to where it was before when only few pros used the SG and noone complained about it beeing op. I think the price raise could acutally be a bit higher (maybe 3100/3150) but I am against nerfing the SG as a gun.
2019-11-20 11:27
+1 smart guy
2019-11-20 11:29
realizing this doesnt require you to be intelligent. its obvious and only subhumans (most hltv users) dont understand it.
2019-11-20 11:33
2019-11-20 12:39
this small nerf is just the beginning.
2019-11-20 11:30
2019-11-20 12:37
How does this make sense: Aug: Lower firate than M4 + lower accuracy than M4 (unscoped) Krieg: Higher firerate than AK + higher accuracy than AK hmmmmm
2019-11-20 11:34
Aug used to have much better accuracy than the m4 when unscoped (and actually still does if you crouch) while having the same rof , the spread and rof was a subsequent nerf
2019-11-20 23:25
Yeah buut why not nerf it right now when its been like that for months if they are gonna eventually anyway.
2019-11-21 09:07
Some people still afraid from Sg553 LoL.
2019-11-20 11:35
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2019-11-20 12:56
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2019-11-20 17:21
3750-4000 would be accurate if you follow the pricing of awp and auto sniper. it fits the spot between awp and assault rifle (also in the way of impact), why dont settle the price there too between ak(2700) and awp (4750) is gap of 2050$ you cant buy anything. why place krieg (and aug) so close to the rifles if their impact is significant higher and there is a lot of unused room in the pricing table ? if you place it there, we would propably see 1 awp + 1 sg/aug(rebuffed) as standard setting. thats a good change. regulary having 6-7 ppl with SG in the game is a fcking joke. noone wants to see this.
2019-11-20 11:45
i want to see that 🙃🙃🙃
2019-11-20 12:39
no, the solution is to reduce first bullet inaccuracy on non scoped rifles by like 3 or 4 times so you dont have to buy SG to be able to headshot someone reliably on mid range tec9 has longer accurate range than the ak47 now.
2019-11-20 11:45
That may be another solution
2019-11-20 12:38
Why did we not have this problem before while it actually was more expensive? Oh, I forgot, it was because the pros are actually that dumb they dont even study all of the 3 terrorist rifles.
2019-11-20 12:03
shox | 
Slovakia TreeMan 
If it was upto people like you the game would have no galil/famas, no p250s, mac 10s... Only default pistol/ five seven+armor/ full buy of AKs + AWP. You are very limited in thinking capacity and it's good devs will never listen to you.
2019-11-20 12:09
Receivable argument. But then the AK becomes a "low-buy round" weapon and full-buy round always consists of 5 SGs or 4 SGs+1AWP. I'm not sure that's their intention
2019-11-20 12:31
Malta Yarrak 
who cares cs mens
2019-11-20 12:39
2019-11-20 12:43
Malta Yarrak 
stfu nerd
2019-11-20 21:08
2019-11-20 21:09
United States ferric 
Problem is not the Krieg, problem is the T economy, and them reducing the galil price doesnt help it. You can lose pistol now and get 5 galils with armor second round
2019-11-20 17:41
that's 2 problems
2019-11-22 13:27
United States ferric 
yeah, but they stem from the main problem which is that building economy for T's requires way too little risk for the amount they get.
2019-11-22 14:36
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