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DUST2 MID DOOR CHANGE
North America cake1 
SpunJ said the dust2 mid door gap should be removed because it's dumb that T players can kill/heavily damage CTs in the first 5 seconds of the round. Do you agree that it should be changed?
2019-12-03 00:28
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#1
Japan 0x0$ 
its been this way for 20 years spunj is just a bot who can't move properly
2019-12-03 00:29
#5
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Turkey FSM36 
xD
2019-12-03 00:33
#6
North America cake1 
oof savage
2019-12-04 22:55
Comment of the month
2019-12-04 22:57
lol
2019-12-04 23:18
#37
DaZeD | 
Turkey qubeKs 
But he is right. Its really annoying to get killed from mid doors.
2019-12-04 23:25
#43
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Kuwait Onlytruth3 
so smoke it and stop cry
2019-12-04 23:34
-1 smoke lol that makes it slightly less ct sided which is fine
2019-12-05 02:41
Go by doing bunny mens. I always do it. Most of times they cannot it if I do perfect
2019-12-05 23:13
yes compare aim of your enemies on silver 2 and pro playeres
2019-12-06 19:17
No mens I'm mge but I rarely play csgo. If I play tryhard I can get LE or above easily my friend
2019-12-06 19:27
#157
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Canada LARRATT 
you are not my friend, my friend
2019-12-06 19:29
Ok my friend
2019-12-06 19:34
man even if you get GE it means nothing they still won't kill you throught the double door and you will still say that double door at mid is ok
2019-12-06 19:29
What are you talking about
2019-12-06 19:33
#161
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Canada LARRATT 
1 pro = 2 global
2019-12-06 19:42
I dont 🚗 this shit game's rank. Who 🚗🚗🚗🚗
2019-12-06 19:44
that your professional bunny won't help vs pro players at mid
2019-12-06 19:44
Professional players' bunny aren't equal mine
2019-12-06 19:45
#44
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Turkey headshotk1ng 
dont pass through doors, boost eachother to short and go 3 man to lower tunnels from short. easy win
2019-12-04 23:36
+1 and if they rush b then play retake. we are next astralis coach 😎😎😎
2019-12-06 15:16
+1
2019-12-04 23:43
#59
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India h8or 
Or make the doors like X so that bottom half is closed while top half is open for utilities. autodraw.com/share/WFM81T18DRAQ
2019-12-04 23:46
#68
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India h8or 
2019-12-05 00:00
#99
DaZeD | 
Turkey qubeKs 
what
2019-12-05 03:15
that draw is kinda of amuzing
2019-12-05 23:53
#129
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India h8or 
2019-12-06 03:00
Are u mechanical engineer?
2019-12-06 13:48
#148
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India h8or 
nope, computer engineer, why?
2019-12-06 18:26
#69
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Spain Granjero_ 
+1
2019-12-05 00:01
#83
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Brazil NiceBrazilian 
LMFAO
2019-12-05 00:30
#97
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
You might think you're moving properly, but in reality you're just playing against gold novas who can't hit the shot anyway. In a pro game, being forced to use a smoke just to get to your bombsite at the start of the round without possibly losing a lot of health is stupid. His (I think) idea of inverting the doors on B site is also a great suggestion, would make B retakes less of an impossible task. Someone made a modified version of d2 for the workshop based on his suggestions, and it's honestly so much better.
2019-12-05 02:54
I can move better than that AU bot for sure, there are a couple of ways to get across safely without a smoke, just use your brain and you will find them
2019-12-05 22:48
#101
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
Ok, you can use a nade. Still costs the same economically and it's still not safe. And the fact that you didn't deny being gold nova makes me think I am correct in my assumption.
2019-12-05 23:09
Still other ways that are 100% safe and don't require nade. >hurr durr not denying an insult is confirmation
2019-12-05 23:11
#104
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
Well it's not just that you denied it, it's that you deflected it. Tell me, how would you make it across safely without using a nade?
2019-12-05 23:13
I didn't deflect, you implied I couldn't move properly, which I definitely can. >Tell me, how would you make it across safely without using a nade? not my job to make up strats for you, I thought of 3 ways just now anyways
2019-12-05 23:14
#106
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
I was more implying that your opponent's couldn't hit the shots pros can, which is definitely true. I just think that you've got nothing.
2019-12-05 23:22
The Dust2 door shot is not that hard to hit if opponents can't move properly
2019-12-05 23:23
#109
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
EXACTLY Now imagine if good movement was pitted against pro aim, it wouldn't work and it doesn't work to just jump across Vision needs to be obscured, which you do with nades
2019-12-05 23:33
It would work, he is using an awp, unless this pro is hitting me through the gap not the door, good movement can save me
2019-12-05 23:38
#111
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
But that isn't safe! If the player gets a bit of luck with his crosshair placement, no matter at what height you jump to try and dodge him,, he will hit you. If he is fast enough to react by hitting you in the gap, he will hit you. And if he is that fast, he is also probably fast enough to adjust his aim if he sees you jump too high or too low, and he will hit you. I'm not saying it will happen EVERY time, but there is always a chance that you could die within 5 seconds of the round starting. Even when there's a smoke, sometimes people get lucky with their timing. If there was some magical solution like you were suggesting without using utility, the people that play this game for a living would've thought of it, and we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
2019-12-05 23:42
It is safe, you can bait the shot, unless he is just spamming randomly How long did it take pros to use Krieg/ump?
2019-12-05 23:44
#113
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
And again, you think pros can't react to baiting out a shot? What if they do a fnatic and pull out 5 autosnipers in OT? That can literally win you the fucking game. And you said it yourself. "its been this way for 20 years". It didn't take pros 20 years to use those guns. You are not as smart as you think you are.
2019-12-05 23:46
>What if they do a fnatic and pull out 5 autosnipers in OT? That can literally win you the fucking game. if you let your enemies build up enough economy to get that, that is on you, you could peak it, you can always peak mid If your movement is good enough pros won't realise it is a bait in time
2019-12-05 23:47
#117
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
Fuck, it was 50/50 for me on whether you were baiting. Gj.
2019-12-05 23:49
I'm not baiting, sorry ur a trash bot you can't think of how to beat his enemy
2019-12-05 23:51
#120
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
>What if they do a fnatic and pull out 5 autosnipers [in OT?] There is no way I'm going to believe you're that stupid, I think too highly of you.
2019-12-05 23:53
i missed the ot part, you can peak them, if they spend money on 5 autos theyre gonna run out
2019-12-05 23:56
#123
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
How, you copy and pasted it And you can't peek 5 autos. They can put 3 holding the gap for peeks and 2 for spamming the wood or something. And it's OT. They won't run out of money for at least another round, especially if they win, which is far more likely when they get the first pick.
2019-12-06 00:00
We'd see the strat more if it was effective You don't have to peak from mid doors if ur smart you can also wallbang them
2019-12-06 00:40
#127
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
And we'd see people baiting out the shot more if it was effective. And if you spend time attempting wallbangs instead of crossing, they could just rush B. Hitting a wallbang through to T spawn is also much harder.
2019-12-06 00:52
How do you rush b with 5 autos at top mid
2019-12-06 00:56
#140
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
You don't. You do it when no CT crosses and starts trying to wallbang you. I was presuming you were talking about the wallbang just generally in any situation, since it wouldn't work against 5 autos anyway.
2019-12-06 09:04
if they stop shooting you can cross yes generally
2019-12-06 13:56
#146
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
Why would they stop
2019-12-06 15:14
#116
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China SwooksarV2 
God damn it borris. Go fix Britain what are you doing!!! You're loosing support!!
2019-12-05 23:48
#118
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
I'm too busy chatting shit about DJ Trump
2019-12-05 23:50
#137
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China SwooksarV2 
Fair point
2019-12-06 06:37
Xd
2019-12-05 23:23
#114
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Poland dreamShow 
+1
2019-12-05 23:47
big oof
2019-12-06 13:58
its been like this for 20 years and has been stupid for 20 years. what kinda meta is 'wait for someone to cross from spawn and shoot them' ? Was never meant to be part of the game especially after they re-did d2, but people see it as 'classic' or some nonsense
2019-12-06 18:49
What? Tons pros in 1.6 complain about the mid door gap, just like csgo. Youre surely novas based on ur comment.
2019-12-06 18:57
Yea, I have always been critical of that detail. When they remade dust2, I was hoping for the doors to finally be ''closed'' in a sense, at least so that the T's wouldn't be able to do damage and get information that fast. Only map in cs that forces the CT's to use some utility like a smoke or HE grenade JUST to get out of spawn a bit more safely.
2019-12-03 00:32
#8
Magisk | 
United States JeyyR 
if you close the doors then there is no B split and you could never get to cat from ct spawn. you would have to go all the way around long or boost. this would severely hamper movement and the flow of the map. B takes would be strictly right out B apps and thats retarded I dont think that theres a good solution to the problem that still allows that movement unless you just got rid of suicide and put a wall in front of mid. any change would change mid completely and that would affect the map heavily
2019-12-04 22:57
Shiiiit +1 for that bigbrain
2019-12-04 23:02
#18
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Serbia Duff555 
u can close the doors in a way to make it like there is no gap beetween from t spawn but there is still gap inbetween doors so u can go to mid if u understand me
2019-12-04 23:05
#29
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Norway TheMushrix 
yes
2019-12-04 23:18
#48
Xyp9x | 
United States Tu1eR 
ah yes, but then the door wouldnt have the correct proportions. valve developers pay very close attention to details and would never release an illogical change
2019-12-04 23:37
#57
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India h8or 
Just make it like huge X so that top half is visible while bottom half is closed.
2019-12-04 23:44
or do it impossible to wallbang but I prefer it like always be
2019-12-04 23:41
#19
United States koth 
Face palm...
2019-12-04 23:07
u can add a way that go from lower tunnel to mid
2019-12-04 23:12
Yea, no, what I meant with ''closed'' was I was hoping that the gap in the doors would disappear, not actually completely closing the doors. I guess removing suicide like you said would be a much better option though.
2019-12-04 23:20
#52
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Australia sen7ry 
Can leave suicide, just put a wall so you can't see mid door from spawn, you would need to drop down into suicide to peak mid door, which would also allow CT to have a better idea of where they may be shot at from. But I don't agree anyway tbh... Just use a smoke to cross, if you get banged thru smoke, bl... It's up to the player to deal with the map, don't just change something coz you don't like it or can't deal with it.
2019-12-04 23:40
#51
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Kuwait Onlytruth3 
thats part of what makes d2 a balanced map when both sides can get information easy, and also hide info with smokes/crouching terrorists/boosting CT etc - actual skills. Too bad valve nerfed awp
2019-12-04 23:42
I dont agree at all. I dont think it's fair that the CTs risk losing a player 5 seconds into the round. If one or several players die crossing the doors, the CTs lose not only the player(s), they also lose the nades that the player(s) had, which they would have used elsewhere on the map to stop the Ts, for example stopping them from just rushing B. I also dont think it's fair that they should be forced by default to waste a smoke a few seconds into the round and have 90% of the time that that smoke is up be completely wasted. You dont need to close the gap, but removing suicide or at least removing vision from T-spawn down to the gap would result in an even more balanced map, in my opinion. I consider vision down to the gap from T-spawn unnecessary, that's all.
2019-12-04 23:55
#70
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Kuwait Onlytruth3 
So buy a scout, git gud, and shoot terrorist, and ask valve to revert awp nerf. Removing vision is a very bad idea. Vision is part of controlling mid, and very important for B splits, controlling short as ct and so on. Not my problem u are bad at game. Ive played CS for 20 years and d2 has only become shittier when noobs have been accomodated, steady decline. Introducing gaps and walls will result in further decline of skill.
2019-12-05 00:09
just smoke it rofl
2019-12-03 00:33
#4
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African Union TedScherbatsky 
Use smoke. What’s the big deal?
2019-12-03 00:34
they silvers no utility no armor just p90
2019-12-04 22:56
Well, a smoke doesn't block shots. By having the door, it increases the randomness of the map (since basically, the awp will just shoot randomly, and sometimes, with some luck, it hits) Not saying I'm in favor for a change, just pointing it out.
2019-12-04 22:59
#14
erkaSt | 
United States NA_LULW 
Just wait a second and dont get killed at the 1:51 timing shot
2019-12-04 23:01
What do you do if the awper is aware and shoots at 1.50?
2019-12-04 23:01
#25
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Denmark Bekkr 
Then you wait for 1:49. Unless he is aware. Then you wait for 1:48 and hope he dosnt know. If he does you wait for 1:47. This should be repeated until you get shot by a T from B doors.
2019-12-04 23:15
Or with one more IQ, you could cross at 1:51 again.
2019-12-05 00:33
#149
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Denmark Bekkr 
You just blew my mind dude
2019-12-06 18:47
#22
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Poland Lukovsky 
it works both ways you fucking silver jesus at all the stupid kids crying about randomness of the door, it's been like that for TWENTY years you fucking mongoloids
2019-12-04 23:11
It doesn't work both ways, since the T's have a strong advantage. There's a reason why a CT awp won't peak lmao Also, by your logic, everything that has been around for 20 years is perfect and should remained? Or what are you implying? And calling people a silver, that's hillarious. I'm LEM with 350 hours atm if it matters that much.
2019-12-04 23:16
#30
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Poland Lukovsky 
it works both ways, both teams can abuse it on t side you fucking idiot
2019-12-04 23:18
Damn, you're kinda sad haha, I guess people like you explain why Poland lacks good universities. You're basically implying that as long as both teams can abuse something, it should remain? So if a weapon is strongly overpowered, it should remain on the basis that ''both teams can abuse it once it's their turn''
2019-12-04 23:20
#34
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Poland Lukovsky 
yeah let's change an iconic feature of an iconic map because some fucking silvers cry when they get shot through the doors it's been like that for 20 fucking years and hardly anyone complained about it. Guess why it hasn't been changed yet? Guess why people cried when they couldn't wallbang the doors? Because it's supposed to stay that way you fucking silver, stop listening to that degenerate aussie
2019-12-04 23:24
I don't get you, can you read my first post again? Read #11 ''Not saying I'm in favor for a change, just pointing it out.'' Is it really that hard to comprehend? God, you can't even point flaws out anymore, without dumb ass low IQ retards crying.
2019-12-04 23:27
#40
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Poland Lukovsky 
good, you admit you're a fucking idiot thanks, and think twice before you post such bullshit next time
2019-12-04 23:30
#45
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Australia Raychippy 
Bad bait polak
2019-12-04 23:36
Rofl, imagine getting triggered by someone online pointing out a flaw in your favorite map. Have fun with your miserable life. I'm sure you won't earn any money, since you need an education for it (something you ain't smart enough for, sadly)
2019-12-04 23:37
#49
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Poland Lukovsky 
Yeah, make a few more assumptions about my life and say I'm the triggered one lmao
2019-12-04 23:38
It seems that you'll cry every time someone points out the truth. Intelligent people doesn't get wind up, and starts to insult out of nowhere because someone points something out. Good luck in life, you'll need it, considering you're doomed to earn 500 euro a month, if lucky haha
2019-12-04 23:40
#54
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Poland Lukovsky 
better to earn 500 euro a month than having your whole family raped by muslim doctors and engineers go on, make a few more assumptions to prove I'm the triggered one
2019-12-04 23:42
I'm calm, I deal with people like you daily. And yes, swedens immigration is shit. That doesn't really affect me however, since I live in an upper class suburb + I have no plans to stay here for much longer.
2019-12-04 23:45
#60
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Poland Lukovsky 
thanks for telling me about your life and plans for the future what an attention whore lmao
2019-12-04 23:46
You wont stop crying, damn
2019-12-04 23:50
#65
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Poland Lukovsky 
tell me more about your life, it's so damn interesting attention whore lmao
2019-12-04 23:52
Sure, what do you wanna know? Well, lets conclude it like that then: - Im an attention whore - You're a quite brainead poorlack /Closed
2019-12-05 00:02
#72
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Poland Lukovsky 
How did you feel when muslims were raping your family? Did you feel bad they could be deported?
2019-12-05 00:04
#61
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Kuwait Onlytruth3 
its not a flaw. What is flawed in d2 is too cramped long doors(should be removed from long side), too cramped b dark walkways, bad colors compared to 1.6/source, inability to wallbang in several places...
2019-12-04 23:47
Stupid polak clearly novas
2019-12-06 19:08
+1
2019-12-04 23:34
I remember when you couldnt really do any damage without a headshot and everyone were wanting for the doors to be made out of wood.
2019-12-04 22:58
#20
United States koth 
+1 it would take 75000 hits through the door to kill someone.
2019-12-04 23:09
#12
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Brazil WglimmerP 
I disagree, just desnecessary
2019-12-04 23:00
Kinda balances the tiny tonel outway on the b site where t's just getting rekt by utility
2019-12-04 23:00
Never thought of it this way. Interesting. It is rarely used, though. Like I dont recall people doing much of "2 guys spam mid, while 3 rush B" kindof things.
2019-12-05 00:38
#16
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Reunion 1iquser 
lmao you're the type of dude who has 6k and cant drop an smg
2019-12-04 23:01
Gotta buy an awp next round
2019-12-04 23:12
#21
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Poland Lukovsky 
leave the doors alone you fucking silvers, it's been like that FOR TWENTY FUCKING YEARS fucking boomers everywhere
2019-12-04 23:09
#46
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Yugoslavia plsnopermaban 
misuse of boomer meme
2019-12-04 23:36
#63
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Poland Lukovsky 
you were misused by your uncle
2019-12-04 23:47
spunj cries almost about everything, why listen to him?
2019-12-04 23:15
mid door no b door yes
2019-12-04 23:19
#35
shrek | 
United States 69420 
Before this update people complain about mid door gap. But if they would make that change tomorrow Pu$$yWhoresComplainers : vAlvE rUinEd cSgO. oLd cS wAs bEtTeR Csgo was never been better before. /close
2019-12-04 23:24
cuz its different people some like it some not imo it would be really sad if they remove it cuz its like iconic thing of the most iconic map but at the same time when in pro games someone get lucky too often it also sucks and feels like it shouldnt be a thing
2019-12-04 23:27
#41
shrek | 
United States 69420 
Updates are to make the game better, to keep the game alive. I just don't understand the people who think old cs was better, and the ones who complain all the time for every update, i remember when people didn't like the new gun sounds and there are still people who like the old sounds and think old cs was better.
2019-12-04 23:32
#73
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Kuwait Onlytruth3 
Because old cs was more skillful while new cs focuses more on 14yo kids (skins & nerfed abilities) and PC SJwarriors (women models etc). CS only needs one model for each side, one skin for each gun, and a lot higher skill ceiling
2019-12-05 00:14
#74
shrek | 
United States 69420 
Amazing every word of what you just said is wrong
2019-12-05 00:15
#75
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Kuwait Onlytruth3 
I guess u were never good in 1.6 nor GO
2019-12-05 00:16
#78
shrek | 
United States 69420 
Now you're complaining about skins. I think you're the one who is bad at cs Complaining like a cunt because you're shit at the game.
2019-12-05 00:21
#79
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Kuwait Onlytruth3 
Imagine thinking skins have anything to do with skill. Expected from 13yo silverboy
2019-12-05 00:23
#81
shrek | 
United States 69420 
You are the one who complained As I said before whores never stop complaining Thinking they know better than them.
2019-12-05 00:27
#82
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Kuwait Onlytruth3 
damn you must have double digit IQ and a big inventory
2019-12-05 00:29
#86
shrek | 
United States 69420 
I bet you're an atheist who watch rick and morty And think you're smart
2019-12-05 00:33
3/8
2019-12-05 00:41
old cs was better, you don't know because you never played
2019-12-05 01:10
old cs was better, you don't know because you never played
2019-12-05 01:10
never played 1.6 but i think it was better there, it was like really small or smth
2019-12-04 23:25
in 1.6 was more easily to kill in the gap
2019-12-04 23:43
more damage thru door in 1.6
2019-12-04 23:59
#62
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Israel OKOptimistic 
sounds really dumb mid ct control is an intrical part of that map
2019-12-04 23:46
wtf is intrical
2019-12-05 00:20
#77
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Israel OKOptimistic 
important
2019-12-05 00:21
You speak English?
2019-12-05 00:34
The word doesn't exist you brain-dead peasant.
2019-12-05 01:10
Yah, i know that’s what he was *trying* to say. Intrical is certainly not a word, but thanks for trying.
2019-12-06 03:59
#138
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Albania JonZherka 
No problem, number one retard translater here))
2019-12-06 08:47
Do it like they did in 1.6 where there was a huge overhang in front which only gave T's a tiny gap to peek through youtube.com/watch?v=yw3xd_JV5r0 First few seconds of this video ^
2019-12-05 00:26
#84
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Kuwait Onlytruth3 
Yeah... make d2 brighter and more yellowish. Remove long doors. Make B dark hallways more spacious. Add wallbangs to short from CT, b dark remove awp nerf
2019-12-05 00:32
+1
2019-12-05 02:37
The reason they removed it was to help CTs with the mid duels. It didnt really change the way the Ts can hit the doors or the gap.
2019-12-05 00:44
Cry is free, dont change this good map
2019-12-05 02:42
It was fine in 1.6, but in CSGO the player models are so big in comparison it's easier to hit people crossing.
2019-12-05 03:00
dd2 lmao, i dont get they still donnt change it 20 years later, its obviously the most idiotic thing ever but typical cs players just cry cry cry just like about krieg or anything else, ahaha pussy idiots, PEAK CSGO was when dd2 was out of map pool
2019-12-06 00:04
Dont change the doors, just change the layout of suicide like this imgur.com/a/QslUpMG
2019-12-06 00:52
#130
FalleN | 
Brazil dmn1 
just make it so you cant wallbang the doors
2019-12-06 03:11
so he suggests to remove the door so that Ts can shoot him directly?
2019-12-06 03:15
just make the doors out of metal
2019-12-06 03:18
silver spotted
2019-12-06 03:21
#134
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Russia nobody_cars 
1. Don't play dust 2 2. U get to play both sides anyway 3. Use smoke at the start of the round
2019-12-06 03:26
Why change one of the most iconic spots on dd2 ? Its always been a crowd pleaser and overall fun to watch for spectators( fnatic 5 awp peek). I dont really see why valve should change mid doors, but if they want to change something to make it less random for cts , maybe make it so you cant wallbang mid doors ? But i dont really see anything happening there, there is ust no point, its kinda even in my opinion, cts have to use utility to get to b, t-s have to use utility to get even close to short.
2019-12-06 09:01
#145
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Israel Eleo2k 
B bombsite is one of the easiest bombsites to hold in the game, you are watching 1, that's right, 1 tight choke point, and Terrorists are limited in a sense that there are no advanced executes they can do as they are in a tunnel. In return to having the easiest site in the game to hold, you have a 5% chance of getting killed from T spawn. It's how dust works, it's been like this for 20 years, deal with it.
2019-12-06 14:04
anybody in their right mind can see that the d2 door gaps and ability to hide behind the doors have been a major reason why d2 is so boring to watch/play. Its just a silly meta. Buy awp wait for someone to cross. ive played since before d2 even existed, played since beta 6.5. Back when people still played half life deathmatch. it was silly back then when it came out for the old version of cs. Its still silly today
2019-12-06 18:53
keep the doors, removing the gap would just make people fight mid until one team wins and would break the map (because CTs could push T spawn without disadvantage). There should just be a safe way to cross the doors. I thought about having a pit/underpass section at the left lane of mid (where the car is) where you can go deeper than a terrorist could see. That way the T's cannot get early kills through the doors, and if they want to push the door there is one more spot CTs can hold. Or make the doors unspammable (gap would be the same).
2019-12-06 19:14
forZe
1.14
Copenhagen Flames
5.30
SKADE
2.35
Tricked
1.58
North
1.59
Sprout
2.36
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