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s1mple grind for top1
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Turkey headshotk1ng 
hltv.org/matches/2338038/natus-vincere-v.. nt but its too late devve 1 zywoo 2 xaxaxaxa
2019-12-03 13:06
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#1
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Sweden Trkmag 
It's obviously ZywOo #1
2019-12-03 13:06
#7
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Ukraine volanchick 
Carrying dead team and being the best for the best team What is better?
2019-12-03 13:07
#9
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Sweden Trkmag 
You realize being on a way better teams inflates dev1ces rating, right?
2019-12-03 13:08
#12
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Ukraine volanchick 
Do you realize that being two times better than anyone in your team gives you EZ condition to have high rating?
2019-12-03 13:10
+1 pretty unfair. ZywOos Bot Mates with 1.00 or worse rating let ZywOo kill way more player than device playing with too many good player to even have a chance to have a 1.5 rating every match.
2019-12-03 13:13
#19
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Ukraine volanchick 
Exactly.
2019-12-03 13:14
#22
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Sweden Trkmag 
Not comparable to the rating boost you get from always smashing teams, always getting easy first round matchups etc. Winning is the best way of getting stats
2019-12-03 13:16
#40
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Ukraine volanchick 
So basically in your case number say s1mple is still the best. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01.. (IMO he is still the best player, but considering achievements it should be device this year)
2019-12-03 13:27
#45
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Sweden Trkmag 
If he had more MVP's, he could be considered. And everyone still knows how good he is, it's not like bringing him up is ridiculous. He will surely finish as third, right?
2019-12-03 13:29
Top 3 for sure.
2019-12-03 13:33
#53
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Ukraine volanchick 
So ZywOo has 2 trophies this year, when s1mple has 1. Basically the same. And, yes, he must be #3 this year.
2019-12-03 13:34
#59
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Sweden Trkmag 
But if I count right, s1mple has only 1 MVP this year while ZywOo has 4.
2019-12-03 13:41
#64
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Ukraine volanchick 
Yes. But s1mple finished Top 3-4 and above (semis, 2nd place, 1st place) 5 times this year, when ZywOo 6 times.
2019-12-03 13:46
Dev1ce plays against better teams, then S1mpLe
2019-12-03 13:26
#41
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Sweden Trkmag 
This year I'm not talking about s1mple vs dev1ce. But you should consider that Astralis gets the easy side of the group stage bracket every time.
2019-12-03 13:27
Easy cuz they are the #1 team, also they have beaten the top teams multiple times. They have nothing to proof. Vitality plays a bunch of tier 5 tournaments. No wonder Zywoo can frag that good.
2019-12-03 13:35
#60
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Sweden Trkmag 
Yeah right, being the MVP of both Cologne and Malmö despite his team losing the finals, sounds like tier 5 tournaments to me. Yes of course Astralis face top competition, but they also get a lot of opportunities to statpad, like today against Grayhound/RNG.
2019-12-03 13:43
A bo1, and bo3s are alot of differences. Dev1ce 100% deserves #1, if HE wins this event and Blast Pro finals (with 1 or 2 mvp(s))
2019-12-03 13:46
#66
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Sweden Trkmag 
Check the bracket. They always get easy opening BO1 (This time Grayhound) then a easy BO3 next up to secure playoffs (this time G2/Sharks). So right now you don't consider him the #1 of the year?
2019-12-03 13:48
Well I am biased towards Dev1ce since, I am following him since Copenhagen Wolves. Without a bias heart, he still has GREAT chance remember the major mvp/evp. If he wins 2 more tournaments, and get 1-2 mvps I truely belive he SHOULD be the #1.
2019-12-03 13:53
ask dev1ce last year...
2019-12-03 13:10
#17
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Ukraine volanchick 
Last year s1mple had more wins (4) than ZywOo this year (2). Also rating: s1mple 2018 > ZywOo 2019 hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp..
2019-12-03 13:13
on the other hand dev1ce had also much MUCH more trophies last year and also more mvps right...? you just cant compare it like that bcs its completely missleading
2019-12-03 13:18
#29
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Ukraine volanchick 
device rating 2019 is slightly better than in 2018. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7592/devi.. Also Majors were highly impactful for the considering best players. In 2019 he is way better on Majors than in 2018. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7592/devi.. device 2018 10 trophies (1 Major) 6 mvp. device 2019 5 trophies (2 Majors) 3 mvp. Considering all that I would say that in 2019 device is slightly better than ZywOo being with a crazy rating in a weak team, what is actually not that easy. ZywOo had no problems having high rating just because of his "low" teammates. When device is still the best for the best team.
2019-12-03 13:23
"ZywOo had no problems having high rating just because of his "low" teammates. When device is still the best for the best team." stop with this. this is irrelevant. i could use it against you...dev1ce has good rating bcs he has good team that is winning(i disagree with that just saying...). dev1ce has great team with another 3 top20 players while zywoo is the only one from vitality who will make it. based on stats and individual awards its zywoo without a doubt. we will see how hltv will make their list but zywoo surely is in this discussion
2019-12-03 13:25
#42
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Ukraine volanchick 
So why did Zeus had shit stat? His teammates were so good... Still you just don't understand that it's easier to have better rating, when your teammates "can't frag".
2019-12-03 13:29
because zeus is shit player individually? how on earth is zeus even relevant in this discussion lmao...? will we consider also pronax now? hunden? krystal? "Still you just don't understand that it's easier to have better rating, when your teammates "can't frag"." not true at all because you are losing most of the time and you are in eco much MUCH often. its not as simple as you think
2019-12-03 13:30
#46
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Ukraine volanchick 
He is relevant, because like device he had good teammates.
2019-12-03 13:30
2 good team mates...dev1ce last year had all players in top20...zeus had what? 2?
2019-12-03 13:30
#48
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Ukraine volanchick 
Edward was considering bad, because he was a bait for the team. S1mple, electronic, flamie were so good. Why do you say 2 if that is 3?
2019-12-03 13:31
last year only 2 made top20...thats why...and it still doesnt change anything. how on earth can you even try to compare zeus with good players lol. makes no sense at all
2019-12-03 13:32
#50
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Ukraine volanchick 
#46
2019-12-03 13:32
bcs he SUCKS lmao. what kind of argument is that? you can put zeus in ANY team in the world and he will suck individually. you can put zywooo in ANY team in the world and he will play on the highest level. jesus...is it rly that hard to understand such a simple thing?
2019-12-03 13:33
#56
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Ukraine volanchick 
I understand your point, you just don't understand my point. You asked the quiestion "why is he considered". I answered you.
2019-12-03 13:35
i see your point but your point is one dimensional. just because zywoo has bad team mates doesnt mean that he has better chance to have better ratings...because he is in eco more often just for one example. same goes for dev1ce. you can say that its harder bcs he has better team mates on the other hand he is barely in eco and he has lower DPR = better rating even without frags...
2019-12-03 13:37
depends cuz in 2018 it was s1 over devve
2019-12-03 14:00
I disagree. I think device is ahead of zywoo atm...
2019-12-03 13:09
+1 and also s1mple except if simple drops a few more 1.5 ratings this event
2019-12-03 13:14
#25
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Sweden Trkmag 
dev1ce has 3 MVP's this year, ZywoO has 4. ZywOo has a better rating while playing for a much worse team. Dev1ce's rating is inflated by not only his playstyle, but also the fact that Astralis wins much more than Vitality, which is rating-boosting.
2019-12-03 13:18
dec1ce have a major mvp - zywoo mvp's are mostly from none t1 events. zywoo rating is 0.05 higher at big events than dev1ce. dev1ce is 0.11 better than zywoo in major rating. I think dev1ce in ahead of zywoo atm and if dev1ce plays well in ESL he will definitely get the #1....
2019-12-03 13:37
#62
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Sweden Trkmag 
3 of the 4 MVPs is from T1 events what do you even mean? In two of them Vitality even lost the final but ZywOo was still named the MVP because he was so overwhelming. 0.11 higher in two events which Astralis won is not much. 0,05 higher over the year in all big events is more.
2019-12-03 13:45
well stat wise I would say the are quite even while achievements is another story and therefore dev1ce is ahead atm, in my opinion...
2019-12-03 14:15
#94
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Sweden Trkmag 
They aren't quite even. He has won more tournaments but this is an individual achievment and better rating plus the MVP count pulls ZywOo ahead as I see it.
2019-12-03 14:19
Do you think winning events do not count in the top20? Of course is does as it should do...
2019-12-03 14:21
#96
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Sweden Trkmag 
It should count, but HLTV defo overrate team achievements.
2019-12-03 14:24
No they don't. If they did then s1mple would have been #2 last year...
2019-12-03 14:31
#98
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Sweden Trkmag 
They usually place too many players from the best team/teams in the top 20’s.
2019-12-03 14:53
Well you could argue that some players in t2-t3 could be in the top20 but when the ranking is so based on rating the teams that have success will have the players in top20. If you loose in groups all the time in big events your rating will of course not be very good...
2019-12-03 14:58
#100
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Sweden Trkmag 
There’s plenty of players (over the years) that has had stellar ratings and that played in big events but still has had to settle for a worse position or no spot at all. Of course it’s hard to balance, because in one way the players that win is the ”best”. All in all I’d like a slightly bigger emphasis on the individual side.
2019-12-03 15:40
#82
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Finland Faust_fSt 
Imagine saying "rating is inflated by winning" as an argument against the one actually winning games.
2019-12-03 14:11
#89
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Sweden Trkmag 
It's not necessarily an argument against dev1ce, but something that you should remember. Of course having a way better team (which dev1ce has) boosts your rating, but at the same time, dev1ce is one of the reasons why the team is doing good.
2019-12-03 14:14
hard to say...statwise its zywoo. individual awards zywoo. achievments its dev1ce but also bcs of his team. astralis will have most likely 4 players in top20 while zywoo will be only 1 from vitality. imo zywoo will get it but we will see
2019-12-03 13:23
#83
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Russia Islademuerto 
5 mvps vs 3 m8, zywoo is better even in achievements
2019-12-03 14:12
#85
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Russia Islademuerto 
nvm u actually said zywoo
2019-12-03 14:13
"zywoo is better even in achievements" are you kidding...right?
2019-12-03 14:13
#101
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Russia Islademuerto 
Individual ones soz, obv device has more titles
2019-12-03 16:48
yea thats true
2019-12-03 17:07
Ok
2019-12-03 13:06
#3
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Ukraine d3adLY 
nice joke XD
2019-12-03 13:07
#4
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Ukraine volanchick 
So what?
2019-12-03 13:07
#5
s1mple | 
Azerbaijan $AZE$ 
baited xd
2019-12-03 13:07
s1mple and statpadding against farmers name a better duo
2019-12-03 13:07
#11
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Ukraine d3adLY 
ZywOo and Vitality(4 players can`t kill so ez farm kd) device and Astralis(4 players can kill so ez farm kd)
2019-12-03 13:09
so if 4 players can kill it's ez farm, if 4 players can't kill it's still ez farm? Yeah, makes sense
2019-12-03 13:21
#34
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Ukraine d3adLY 
yes In Navi\EG\Liquid 2-3 players can kill so don`t ez farm
2019-12-03 13:24
s1mple is always #1 always!!
2019-12-03 13:08
#14
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Russia Rapu 
Are you kidding me, device is top-1? Mb he is not even top-3, cause Electronic.
2019-12-03 13:10
Electronic top3 hahahahaha
2019-12-03 13:24
#55
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Denmark TurboHenning2 
Electronic top3 hahahahaha
2019-12-03 13:35
Electronic top3 hahahahaha
2019-12-03 14:08
interesting how tyloo are the biggest bots when they play anywhere outside China.
2019-12-03 13:10
+1
2019-12-03 13:17
#16
World Kobs 
if you look at all the aces , clutchs and hilight plays zywoo made this year.. individualy he is the best player who touched this game..only simple can come close, but device might get top 1 cause more achievements for device
2019-12-03 13:17
#24
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Russia ToughGuy 
what did i just read lol
2019-12-03 13:17
#26
World Kobs 
type Zywoo on youtube and masturbate, type device and what? nothing special :D zywoo make one frag movie with unreal shots each lan he attend
2019-12-03 13:23
#33
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Russia ToughGuy 
he will be top 1 this year for sure but the best who touched this game just no
2019-12-03 13:23
I mean you can see that zywoo is even better than s1mple this year
2019-12-03 13:26
This year he is better. But when you consider the fact that Navi had troubles(rosters changes, new structure, new roles) S1mple was the best in the first half of 2019. Then Navi didn’t attend tournaments and then S1mple was in bad form/slump but was/is still the best rated player in 2019. But still zywoo is better this year because of team achievements, so he will be placed higher than S1mple, although is better rated even in his „bad“ form but he is only slightly better this year individually, so zywoo will be placed higher. S1mple was even better at majors (top 2 I think). By the way individually S1mple > Zywoo Who has a better year: Zywoo>S1mple S1mple 2018>Zywoo 2019 Individually and achievements.
2019-12-03 13:44
#91
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Kazakhstan pedrohuedro 
Zywoo-s1mple are playing for team, while Astralis arr playing for device
2019-12-03 14:14
0/8
2019-12-03 13:21
Too late indeed - device already got that number one spot bagged.
2019-12-03 13:23
#74
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Brazil nerdjerkland 
Tell me you're kidding LUL ZywOo will 100% be top 1. His rating 2.0 at big events (which is the main criterion), the number of played matches and the number of MVPs is just way too high
2019-12-03 14:03
1.29 compared to 1.25, not that big of a difference. Meanwhile device won more titles and 2 majors. Majors are by far the most important tournaments. But device isn't done yet. Astralis can win in Odense and they still have the BLAST finals.
2019-12-03 14:05
#77
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Brazil nerdjerkland 
Regarding the hltv ranking: Winning a major is a team achievement and not an individual one. Yes device has one major MVP in 2019 but this is by far not the most important criterion
2019-12-03 14:07
No, titles and especially majors are of course taken into consideration. CS:GO is a team game, not a single player game.
2019-12-03 14:08
#81
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Brazil nerdjerkland 
Yes it is but the ranking OF PLAYERS is based on INDIVIDUAL ACHIEVEMENTS. 1.) rating 2.0 at big events in proportion to the number of played maps 2.) MVPs, EVPs
2019-12-03 14:10
1.) rating at majors, device > zywoo Individual achievements - which mean titles. Winning the major is not only a team achievements, but also an individual achievement. It seems like you have no idea how the ranking works. You're in for a surprise when top 1 is made public.
2019-12-03 14:13
delusional
2019-12-03 14:13
Flag checks out. Go eat a frog teenage kid
2019-12-03 14:14
#32
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Indonesia lukerey 
Top 1? I think its too late men. He still has a chance to make it on top 2 over zywoo. Tbh, device already no 1 this year.
2019-12-03 13:23
I really hope dev1ce gets number 1
2019-12-03 13:26
Maybe s1mple can surpass them if he gets 3+ rating
2019-12-03 13:28
s1mple is the best player in the world but he will not get top1
2019-12-03 13:47
#68
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Denmark Howlite 
Too late? Dev1ce has played 8 more maps than s1mple and has better stats. Its between S1mple and Zyw0o
2019-12-03 13:54
Where does dev1ce have a better rating? hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01..
2019-12-03 14:09
#93
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Denmark Howlite 
Sorry i meant S1mple had better stats.
2019-12-03 14:19
s1mple no.1
2019-12-03 13:54
#70
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Latvia Ke]R[4u 
typical t3 stomp, watch him disappear vs first decent team
2019-12-03 13:55
#75
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Latvia hellsave 
nt austrian
2019-12-03 14:04
#71
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Australia Artikle13 
Lets remember TOP20 of 2018. Xaxaxa
2019-12-03 13:58
#73
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Brazil nerdjerkland 
"devve top 1" 0/8 device WILL 100% be #3, and you should know that based on how the ranking works. ZywOo #1 s1mple #2 device #3
2019-12-03 14:01
#84
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India Hafnex 
Simple gives me thrill that no other CsGo player gives rn.....IDK whether hes No 1 or not but he is the best no doubt...
2019-12-03 14:12
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