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Faroe Islands Croton 
How long does it take to be good at it? How long does it take to create your own staff, apps, webs, bots. I don't know what elase can be done with it I've been learning python for a month and all I can do is some Dice game and print some code into the screen that's not that impressive for me am I overreacting or not?
2019-12-03 14:15
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2019-12-03 14:15
is it good idea to learn Python and Web Developer at the same time (HTLM, CSS, JavaScript) or that will break the brain
2019-12-03 14:18
I mean, if you want to, you can go for some Web App frameworks like Django to learn both. Probably you're missing some stuff, there are tons of courses, you need to just know what you want to do. Also, yes, you're overreacting a bit, if you started from the scratch and it's your first programming language :)
2019-12-03 23:31
+1 haha I guess so I don't know what I want to do with python becasue i don't even know what is it caple of it yet, until I see real life code projects ... tbh I jumped straight into basic coding and tutorials but they explain it in simple few lines coding, not in a big picture projects I started web-develope bootcamps courses and the whole idea of web developing as big picture as well as html is so much is easier to graps and understandable ... maybe I will change my mind when javascript will ocurs and more tricky stuff however I know you can bulit webs with phython as well as well as automate things so it's should be usefull in the future
2019-12-04 00:09
I mean Django is a library(in this case its a framework) for Python, its based on python, but its more into web applications, it works like a web server(its similar to node.js but for python), where u can make a site, work on database if you want to build an API etc. Basic coding gives you what you can do in Python, but you will need some libraries etc to do some more complex stuff. I'm not sure if you can build frontend with Python, if not you can use html or even learn something like React or Angular :) Cause I guess if u want to build back and frontend so you want to be a full-stack or something. A lot of things to learn, but if you will manage to do it good, it will pay back later :)
2019-12-04 18:56
I guess you can build whole webs just in python, but it's not that common I guess, from my little experience in coding people said they rather used to backend :) a nice man of you
2019-12-04 21:21
+100
2019-12-03 17:01
#2
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Australia Leftistt 
yes
2019-12-03 14:16
You have not "learned" than! You gotta invest some serious time in it not watching a youtube tutorial and call it learning.
2019-12-03 14:17
#6
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Germany MoBo 
+1
2019-12-03 14:18
+1, some basic dice game you can learn in your first few hours.
2019-12-03 22:51
#105
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Iceland SkRossi 
there is literally nobody in the world who can do dice game in first few hours
2019-12-04 16:56
Obviously we are not talking about Yahtzee or some other more complicated dice game but some simple one like 2 players roll a dice and higher number wins. That's pretty much easily done in first few hours, I'm also pretty sure that rock, paper, scissors is a popular game taught to beginners.
2019-12-04 17:04
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Lithuania ateivis 
Documentation is the choice for advanced learning, youtube is full of shit and bad practices. Not an attack, just explanation.
2019-12-03 23:30
yes, well there are some pieces are helpful but no replacement for an education of some degree. While I have personally not studied software engineering, I have "learned" Java a couple of years ago from mainly books, which worked pretty well.
2019-12-04 12:47
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Lithuania ateivis 
Books have to be validated or whatever it's called, whereas in youtube there is no control
2019-12-04 13:50
yes as I said, youtube can be helpful but not a replacement
2019-12-04 13:59
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Germany MoBo 
'How long does it take to be good at it?' Forever
2019-12-03 14:17
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xeta | 
World 1rks 
+1
2019-12-03 14:18
+1
2019-12-03 23:21
lol pretty much this, it is a continuous improvement process
2019-12-03 23:30
ouff, too accurate
2019-12-04 00:16
#5
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Germany Shadyy89 
2 days should be enough to know all the ins and outs of python imo
2019-12-03 14:18
#7
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Brazil mathellsmelo 
I think you will have to work with it for at least 2 years to be a Senior Dev... But you must have experience as a developer, if you don't ... at least 5 years
2019-12-03 14:18
what ... why so long
2019-12-03 14:20
#17
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Brazil mathellsmelo 
Programming is not only knowing the language, you have to learn how to solve problems outside the code, and you will only learn that having problems... Experience is everything in this field trust me...
2019-12-03 14:26
web developer better than? i don't have time ... like 5 years, I need money FAST I want to find job maximum 6 months from now
2019-12-03 14:29
#19
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Germany MoBo 
It's the same for every kind of developer. I think, you should try to find an apprenticeship
2019-12-03 14:31
I did one, i didn't create website code, but I filled it with all the products they had, photos, descrptions, etc and i will never do that again basically you made someone else rich for free and i learned nothing from them, only things that I came up myself so why do I need them, but it was old company, none there have any idea of new technology, anyway i'm not keen to that idea - finding good internship probably requierd the same amount of effor as finding job
2019-12-03 14:37
#28
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Germany MoBo 
Was it an intern or apprenticeship?
2019-12-03 14:50
what is the difference bro? those 2 has same meaning
2019-12-03 14:51
#43
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Denmark jaco5157 
I think he's asking if you actually worked there or was just hired as a freelancer. If you were an intern there at least you have something to write on your job description and will have an easier time finding a job.
2019-12-03 23:01
I still don't see the difference why you can't write your about freelancing experiences? I wasn't hired by them directly, it was intership in terms of EU project and sponsoreb by EU. (read a crap made to extort money)
2019-12-04 00:14
#59
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Denmark jaco5157 
EU project, and you were made to upload products? Smells like corruption if you ask me
2019-12-04 00:18
I "worked" for a real company, they had free employee I got garbage paid from EU - 250 euro per month for full time job I had to make this internship in terms of EU project that I signed myself up, it was legal in terms of law but i don't recommend EU projects, it was a joke, compared to real business
2019-12-04 00:26
#34
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Brazil mathellsmelo 
I have 2 years in Software Development, and only now I have enough money to live alone in my own apartment with my own bills. I started as a Intern and now I'm a Jr, also... A make a LOT OF MONEY compare to normal Brazilians...
2019-12-03 17:00
good for you
2019-12-04 00:26
#40
Finland em8 
You need to get a job at McDonald's and then study at the same time.
2019-12-03 22:53
you gotta be kidding few extra $ from mc'donalad dosen't make any difference it will only exploit my will power and energy level as well as soul for the crap payment they give easiest way to hate your life
2019-12-04 00:19
#71
Finland em8 
Well go be homeless then great plan
2019-12-04 00:36
better than mc'donald for sure at least you're free
2019-12-04 00:36
I mean if you really need money in 6 months, the best you can get is a bad developing job which won't pay a lot. And that is a BIG IF. You can be the best progammer in the world in 6 months but you need some experience and previous work which want the company to hire you. Best case, is for you to work at like McDonalds for like a year of less, and in your free time cram learning the language. Do some small projects, then apply for a job and work your way up to where people make the big bucks. It will probably take like 5+ years, to get to the top
2019-12-04 00:37
nah I want to be senior in max 3 years i have 120+ IQ
2019-12-04 00:41
Good luck then, again its not to do with the IQ but the amount of experience you have under your belt. You maybe have 120iq but you can't make 3 years look like 5+ years of experience
2019-12-04 00:43
Haha, I wanna learn how to fly a Boeing 747 by the end of next week. But it takes 2-3 years to learn how to fly a Boeing. Doesn't matter.. I need money fast
2019-12-03 22:55
some people become web developers in 3 month ;> so it's doable
2019-12-04 00:28
I started a career as a web developer 1,5 years ago. I did a 3 month bootcamp and after that kept learning during the evening hours. So, that makes me a web developer but I'm no where near a level that is considered good. I'm just getting started. Of course the path is different for everybody but don't expect companies to just give you a job. They require experience for a reason and with that experience comes the right salary. Oh and all the online courses and tutorials you did are fun but it's mostly copy / pasting what somebody else is showing you in a video. The real challenge comes when you need to solve a problem you can't find the solution to on stack overflow or GitHub. Either way, good luck man.
2019-12-04 09:55
#90
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Brazil mathellsmelo 
People think they will just make 120k Dollars/year by studying for 3 months... Everyone has to start from the bottom
2019-12-04 12:12
nah 6k for the junior would good 10K after 2 years possible objective?
2019-12-04 16:53
#114
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Brazil mathellsmelo 
10k you're already entering the senior world, at least 5 years to become senior...
2019-12-04 23:28
who said that best people become senior in 1.5 year i might be not best so i give it 3 years
2019-12-05 00:03
#116
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Brazil mathellsmelo 
ok, I challenge you to construct a app using any tech you want in the front-end, in the back-end you will have to use Postgres(database), Git (version control), Jenkins (continous delivery), Docker (container) and Spring Framework or Node.js... You will have to create three environments: Development, Tests and Production, with different databases and variables... you have 3 months...
2019-12-05 01:07
haha I might let you know at the end of December where I currently am I with the study material :) and what can I do :P how many years of experience do you have? and what is your position? are you a senior?
2019-12-05 01:26
this is how you learn? duh you cope/paste and see the resluts than you apply it to your own uniqe projects, with your own resluts build a profolio showing a profolio to the company -> i can do this, this and this for THIS amount of $ that's how you offer value they might need it, then - you make a deal if no, move on the the next one company what does expirence has to do with it? either you can do something by yourself or you can NOT and you have found a job, so what's your problem ? duh no solutions??? rather rare case - your ego just wants to reinvent the wheel again, and take a pride for it unless you build something that none has ever done before like a spaceship to Mars, but I don't want to work in NASA redefine the problem, use already existing solutions is the key to efficiency, steal like an artis - highly recommend overthinking often to succed in business you don't need new things, just look at somone elase is already doing - and ask yourself - can I do it a little bit better - that's it if you're able to create things nonone ever has done before you don't need job - you're a pioneer and you will be multi millionaire, if you will be able to sell it* what bootcamp did you take? Colt steele?
2019-12-04 16:50
Like I said, good luck man lmao
2019-12-04 16:56
show me your projects
2019-12-04 16:57
+1
2019-12-04 00:27
1 month is really not a lot if it's your first programming language. If you're already a programmer and just learning a new language you should be productive after one month. If you've never programmed before you can't expect to be creating complex programs after one month.
2019-12-03 14:18
but i already bulit a website in 1 day, in 90's style in web developer course and damn guy in python course throw 200 theoritcal videos before even go to some project i've seen like 100 and i'm already tried and conused
2019-12-03 14:25
do the same stuff in your pc that he is showing in video, then u dont get tired
2019-12-03 14:25
Stop watching videos, just decide on a project and do it. Use Google / Stack Overflow and official docs when you get stuck. You won't learn more before you make your own independent project.
2019-12-03 14:35
that is not approach i feel comfratable with i am more like monkey see monkey do
2019-12-03 14:49
Then you'll never learn anything.
2019-12-03 14:54
while simen_is_wrong == True: print('I arent think that bro')
2019-12-03 14:59
bad code
2019-12-04 09:58
works fine
2019-12-04 16:25
not my point lol
2019-12-04 16:29
then try to communicate better in human language cuz if i don't understand you, there is big chance other might not as well
2019-12-04 16:52
everyone with semi-decent programming knowledge will know what I meant :)
2019-12-04 16:54
of course, but google mind-reading biases
2019-12-04 16:55
#118
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Brazil mathellsmelo 
this kid is making infinity loops and wants to become a senior in 3 months, oh lord lmao
2019-12-05 17:44
infinity loop was intented thinking in terms of infinities is a sign of high IQ and i meant become a senior in 3 years after starting a job not included the learning faze to get that job where i am right now
2019-12-05 21:34
and the objective for now is to learn all skills need to get first job in max 6 months that's doable, isn't it? btw you should encourage people to achieve their goals instead of bring them down, because that's what little man would, and as you want to progress faster in your carrer, become a better leader
2019-12-05 23:41
#125
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Brazil mathellsmelo 
bro, I'm giving you the real shit... I can't say that you're gonna become a Senior Dev this faster cuz I know that I'd be lying to you... Of course you can be a extreme talent dev and I'm wrong, but I don't know you... So, I'm giving you what I would give to normal people. Just study and be calm, you will rise in your career naturally
2019-12-06 00:07
yes Sir
2019-12-06 03:38
a website is not even programming, you did just the layout work. try making JS plugins, even simple ones, and youll see the difference immediatly. if you are serious about your career path being coding, then try specializing on frontend web development. easy to learn, pays decent enough, if you get the hang of it someday you might be able to advance.
2019-12-05 17:48
I will soon :) , i already did HTML part of the bootcamp <nothing really challenging there> now css then JS everthing in order maybe I will become frond-end cuz I like design and have I already have some skills in photoshop as well, but i don't know yet, cuz first I need to see how hard is backend and how my brain deals with it i think I can achive a lot with it web-devloping by discpiline everyday learning and pratice - it's just matter of putting time to it im not really sure about that with programming
2019-12-05 21:40
good luck anyway! it is a tough path to chose as you need a lot of self discipline while learning it.
2019-12-06 11:06
thanks, but I don't it's so hard as long as you devlop a habit of at least 1-2h of coding per day and stick to it for longer period of time, the resluts are rather inevitable at least this is what i've seen so far with web developing, maybe backend is harder but unlike programing where is needed a higher abstraction level of thinking and problem solving skills needed, which i am not sure everyone can learn, despite of the time and effort
2019-12-06 18:53
start doing projects (no, dont try to develop an ai instantly) that may involve things u dont know yet, much more efficient imo
2019-12-03 14:18
developing an ai is really simple though. so many tools and documentations on it. I get what you mean anyway.
2019-12-05 17:50
Yes u are very slow. You need to be hungry. If you wanna be good in programming you dont become good by doing it 2hours a day. You need to do it 10hours a day for a year. It has to be an obsession. You need to be thinking about programming and not CSGO matches. You need to reach a level you cant reach without obsessing about it. If not, maybe business school is better for you.
2019-12-03 14:20
I have found only 3 obsessions you're talking about in my life so far: 1. gaming 2. women asses 3. books, collecting knowledge unfortunately hard to make money of each of them :/ I use all my willpower to stick to the python
2019-12-03 14:43
Python is intuitive, easier than c++. Just training a couple hours a day and you'll see!
2019-12-03 14:19
#21
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Finland tsufee 
It depends, "good" is nonexistent spec and "how long" varies from project to project and the team etc. Coding takes time, if it's your passion, you'll do it nevertheless. Why do you want to become a programmer? If it's not your dream, I wouldn't go there. The same thing for every other profession.
2019-12-03 14:36
i need money fast nad freedom programming is a vessel to that
2019-12-03 14:45
#32
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Finland tsufee 
Do flipping, if you need money.
2019-12-03 15:06
what is that? real estate flipping? hah bro ... i can buy doghouse at best haha i need from 0 to Hero approach ;)
2019-12-03 16:29
#36
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Finland tsufee 
Take anything free/ultracheap you can and sell it. Might be hard at some regions like your (and mine) though :P
2019-12-03 22:43
#37
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United States Gabriel955 
lmfao worst advice i think ive ever heard in my life
2019-12-03 22:48
#46
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Finland tsufee 
Quickest way to get dough. seriously. Or take a job, any. Learn to code after work.
2019-12-03 23:17
a couple thousand hours
2019-12-03 14:39
#24
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Brazil KingM 
You need to study I lot, take some courses and practice every day. This is the better way to became a good developer.
2019-12-03 14:41
#39
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Poland Hanse 
If you are good - 3 months or so. If you are bad - eternity++ I'm almost sure you got deceived by people telling tales about working online form your home and making good money with it. The thing is - it's just not for everyone. Of all things you listed I would say that raw html is easiest of all things. If you want to start programming (and judging from your posts before - you want to make games) - you gotta start with C++.
2019-12-03 22:52
nah I don't want to makes game ... unless it would gave me tons of money that I could get fuck out of it life is the only game you should be plaing ... duh I want to be web developer I guess yes html is easy and i understad it easily
2019-12-04 00:33
#75
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Poland Hanse 
What exactly do you need Python for if you want to be web developer? Unless you want to make trojans etc
2019-12-04 00:41
honestly idk haha
2019-12-04 00:42
working remotely is more and more popular ... i don't see a reason why somebody couldn't do that all you have to do is understand what results does your boss wants bring it on time and be reliable see him from time to time and joke around, I already did that, but I was self-sufficient maybe it's harder in large projects with many people involved
2019-12-04 03:07
Just learn backend. Its really fucking easy but super boring, but most companies will pay you decent for it.
2019-12-03 22:54
i'm working on it ;) I will report my results after December in web -developement
2019-12-04 00:35
#44
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United Kingdom Megamo10 
honestly it's like sucking dick. The first time you will bite it and he will cry. After many many experiences of different sizes and shapes, you get used to the rythm, angle and depth. PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT
2019-12-03 23:03
wtf
2019-12-03 23:19
#52
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United Kingdom Megamo10 
lol
2019-12-03 23:36
you need to stop coding
2019-12-04 00:36
#45
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Denmark jaco5157 
Mate you need to learn the basics of programming before you can be good at it, not just watch tutorials on how to make a dice. See if you can find a course in Object oriented programming, that seems to be the most useful paradigm.
2019-12-03 23:04
I watched OOP yesterday, and I was confused as fuck tbh :D I'm doing such a course Complete Python Developer in 2020 Zero to Mastery, too much theory ... for my taste at least form what I've seen so far
2019-12-04 00:49
#109
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Denmark jaco5157 
Obviously everyone is gonna have a different approach to programming and people learn in different ways. But this is at least how we learn at my university
2019-12-04 19:35
i don't want to disencourage you but i don't trust academic education, especailly nowdays when it's getting out of hand, people creates their own theories, sells it and there is 0 responsibilty if they are wrong it's better to learn from people in field who have real life results
2019-12-04 21:16
nowdays just learning a language won't find you a job .... first of all be proficient in a language(say- python) and learn frame works related to python like django for backend development, tensor,numpy for data/machine learning.... now comes the time to test your knowledge ... build some practical projects... build a portfolio and start to apply for jobs...
2019-12-03 23:45
Where do u work?
2019-12-06 11:10
I am in final year of my graduation ..... have received a job offer to work as a software developer (outside India)
2019-12-06 13:31
nice dude congrats! which college btw?
2019-12-06 15:46
#54
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United States WelderBurger 
Download and start working with libraries that pertain to your interests. I use numpy, scipy, and matplotlib for basic data analysis. You could try pygame for more graphical applications.
2019-12-03 23:48
those are very basic
2019-12-06 11:10
#133
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United States WelderBurger 
It's almost as if my answer was targeted toward a beginner, you smooth-brain.
2019-12-06 21:35
#58
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Sweden katt1n 
Learn C++ instead so you get a basic understanding of how the computer manages memory etc. Then you can learn different programming languages that better suits your needs.
2019-12-04 00:17
#66
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Germany GreatGMany 
+1 Best programming language in my opinion
2019-12-04 00:28
#119
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Brazil mathellsmelo 
Actually, => learn C => be good => start studying object oriented programming => learn C++
2019-12-05 17:47
#62
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Finland D_Scimmy 
What's with the daily python threads?
2019-12-04 00:25
Good starting language, the basic stuff is very easy to understand. Once you get to OOP and stuff like that it will take a bit longer then after that you need to get books to learn the more advanced stuff. You can get a pretty good job where I am from if you're an advanced py dev you can easily get more than 100,000GBP Anyways it will take years to get that level. To be a advanced developer you will have to practice for like 2+ years - again depends on time spent to learn it and what you're learning.
2019-12-04 00:29
I already know the basic stuff, i had 53 on 54 in w3 school quiz/test I started OOP yesterday and it was confusing tbh money is the only reason that keeps me still going with it any book recommendation?
2019-12-04 00:58
b-ok.cc/s/python change search if you're looking for something different, they're all pretty good. all free
2019-12-04 02:06
are you python developer? have you read them all to be able to recommend them?
2019-12-04 03:08
b-ok.cc/book/2708675/f4a3d9 - good starting book, gives basics b-ok.cc/book/3676951/3d1fce b-ok.cc/book/2159065/1a5e51 b-ok.cc/book/2600143/062a5c b-ok.cc/book/2736444/372337 - titles explains book b-ok.cc/book/5151928/333609 - gives soruce code with mistakes and you have to find them
2019-12-04 11:35
xD it will takes years ... damn
2019-12-04 16:23
#73
rko | 
Saudi Arabia WWF 
Programming should be much more easier
2019-12-04 00:36
+1
2019-12-04 00:51
#83
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United Kingdom 0outof8 
I've done python for 5 years now and there is still a lot to learn but you'll get there, I'd start with the basics but I'd say the fastest way people will normally learn is through practice on their own working ie find something and learn about how to make it, glhf
2019-12-04 02:47
#85
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United States 1for1discount 
amazon.com/Starting-Out-Programming-Logi.. i use this book for my beginning college stuff
2019-12-04 03:04
ive studied it for 4y and i still get confused sometimes. it takes a while to learn css java php html ... Go with the flow and use sites to disguss the code u make etc helps alot gl
2019-12-04 12:25
wtf so many program man LEAVE HLTV ALONE
2019-12-04 16:34
#111
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Sweden Akoulad 
what do you want to achieve with python?
2019-12-04 21:17
I will see after the course, i haven't seen python possibility yet i will have much more broader big picture but for now I guess rather backend web development or nothing
2019-12-04 21:26
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