I gave you the widely accepted mainstream and underground benchmarks for rapping speed. It wasn't a counter to anything other than the notion of Eminem ever being widely considered as "fast". He was not. The list I gave you was presented on one of the more well-recognised and accepted hip hop websites in terms of lyrical analysis, and he's not even there as an honorable mention. So "everybody" did not agree on it, and certainly most did not. It was not to say Eminem didn't have music outside of the two albums. I brought up those two albums simply because they are some of the few pieces of work and the best pieces of work produced by Eminem which could be considered at a high level in the consideration of "greatness". Neither of them feature anything remotely fast. Furthermore, none of the rappers I mentioned are gimmick rappers. The fact that you would even say that in reply to my comment makes me seriously consider if you actually listen to hip hop outside of Eminem (which was the basis of my final paragraph, not to nit-pick whether you're actually suburban or not- it is merely a caricature of most Eminem fans). You jumped in on a thread clearly made by one of those people.