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chrisJ reitre?
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Poland subconsious 
i think he bot and should retire. what is he even doing in that team. washed up player
2019-12-05 11:16
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#1
ropz | 
Belgium mainak90 
Not just him, if Frozen continues his inconsistent streak, he needs to really move out for someone less talented but more consistent as well. I know the guy's super talented but way too inconsistent for a team eyeing the top 5
2019-12-05 11:18
#4
stinx | 
Czech Republic stinx 
holy shit, dude you must be high af
2019-12-05 11:22
#8
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Netherlands Alvinvl 
He is right about frozen.
2019-12-05 11:23
#10
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Poland subconsious 
frozen cant hnadle stress, loan him and get him in next year or two. take oskart on his place
2019-12-05 11:24
naa ChrisJ just creates a toxic environment. Hard for young players with confidence issues to perform under such pressure.
2019-12-06 18:24
Lmao??????
2019-12-07 11:20
The probably is that everyone that sees Chris J want's to punch him in the face. He just has that face. The name Chris J , also should be punched.
2019-12-07 12:01
#14
stinx | 
Czech Republic stinx 
hltv.org/stats/players/matches/9960/froz.. cmon, it's not as bad as he says
2019-12-05 11:27
#20
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Netherlands Alvinvl 
Any player of a top 15 team is a great player. But mouz wants to be top 5.
2019-12-05 11:34
Frozen himself said he is not satisfied with his performance on the LAN. However, woxic and chrisJ are also inconsistent.
2019-12-05 11:54
#67
ropz | 
Belgium mainak90 
Agreed, for me Frozen needs to mature a bit more on an academy team of sorts, if he continues on mouz with this same inconsistency, the rest of the team is also going to feel the frustration weighing down upon them. I think its the coach that helps along with a mental conditioning expert to bring that player upto task, i dunno if reijn is doing it, even if yes so far its not working
2019-12-05 12:11
#179
wake | 
Denmark wakelele 
hltv.org/stats/players/matches/9960/froz.. We watching the same games or what????
2019-12-07 12:07
#181
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Netherlands Alvinvl 
#20
2019-12-07 12:52
frozen is decent, why are people so obsessed with him?
2019-12-05 12:21
#99
ropz | 
Belgium mainak90 
Just being decent doesn't work in a top 5 team or a team that aims for top 5. They need to be more consistent. With 3 players like ropz, woxic and frozen popping up at the same time in the server is going to make them a force to be reckoned with. Currently this squad relies on either of ropz and woxic to step up with frozen peaking once every 3-4 maps. With chrisj consistently bottom of the table and Karrigan doing his hero play once every tournament if they do a deep run into the tournament, they cannot at this stage compete with the best teams in the world.
2019-12-05 13:39
#111
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Russia RIMJOBOB 
no shit sherlock. i knew this since they announced this lineup
2019-12-05 21:28
#115
ropz | 
Belgium mainak90 
If you ask me, i really would have loved to see the lineup they envisioned after the initial benching of chrisj and styko, oskar, sunny and ropz were supposed to still be in the lineup if we add to it woxic and karrigan, this team would have been world dominators. I agree to the counter argument that both oskar and woxic as fulltime awpers would have been bit difficult to arrange plays around them, but if karrigan could have taken the support + entry frag role along with igling like chrisj used to do earlier, i think this would have worked out
2019-12-05 22:46
#119
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Russia RIMJOBOB 
for sure sunny leaved because he didnt like the fact that karrigan would be coming and he was right, karrigan and chrisj theres no need for them 2. the dream roster would have been the on u wrote. but for sure mouse will make change and its probably -chrisj who they remove
2019-12-06 12:43
#160
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Europe bansku 
sunny didn't leave because of karrigan xD. He was benched and sold
2019-12-06 18:04
Mouz becoming top 5 ? Stop capping we all know this will never happen.. no hate or anything but i don’t feel like they got the players for a top 5 maybe top 10 AT MOST but yeah
2019-12-06 18:00
#170
ropz | 
Belgium mainak90 
That might be the case but as an org thats their goal for sure, that what i was trying to highlight, the goal of the org and the players not the cirrent state. But then again 100 thieves in top 5 is another joke as well. So you never know, mouz might as well be top 5 by the end of this year.
2019-12-06 23:27
I truly hope for them to make it to top5! And after that 16-0 against EG I’m starting to regret my previous comment :(
2019-12-07 00:43
karrigan is the one who should.
2019-12-05 11:18
#7
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Poland subconsious 
two washed up players wont work if u wanna have top 5 roster. maximum age of player is 27. karrigan too old with botj
2019-12-05 11:22
Karrigan? you mean Chokegan
2019-12-05 11:26
#15
NAF | 
India FosFate 
Only reason why Mouz is Top 10, other than woxic and ropz's talent, is Carrygan igl
2019-12-05 11:30
It's definitely not because of karrigan, he helped as he could but right now he's useless there.
2019-12-05 12:19
#101
NAF | 
India FosFate 
How exactly? He is great IGL nonetheless. It's because of him that Woxic and Ropz are able to carry. Also, Karrigan is regularly outperforming chrisJ and frozen
2019-12-05 13:52
Certainly not because of him, he's weak individually so doesn't matter what he speak in between the rounds, if he can't deliever he's pretty useless there. And no, he's got nothing on chrisJ and frozen's skills.
2019-12-05 13:53
#104
NAF | 
India FosFate 
Yeah? Check the stats. chris is constantly bottom scorer for team, and frozen being as inconsistent as he is, also ends up at bottom quite often. chris can do decent entry fragging, which is a plus point of him. If Mouz want to change/fix their roster, their first priority should be benching chrisJ and frozen.
2019-12-05 14:00
Benching them but keeping karrigan will instantly bury the organization. He was kicked from every team he ever was, he gave all he could, right now he's useless there.
2019-12-05 14:01
#106
NAF | 
India FosFate 
Yes? Then name a better IGL for Mouz than him? You are probably the first person I've seen who's insisting on removal of Karrigan from Mouz. He was last kicked from FaZe. They have won 0 Tier 1 tournaments since then.
2019-12-05 14:24
Chris will lead like he used to. It's not about karrigan only, FaZe had a tough period like many other teams who haven't had cuts like they have.
2019-12-05 14:25
#163
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France LetsGoLiquid 
Look at faze after they kicked karrigan LOL definitely was the problem :)))
2019-12-06 18:25
He was but not the only one.
2019-12-07 11:19
#113
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Slovakia veeellys 
Frozen entry a lot and he got second higher adr in team. So frozen isn't worst piece in mouz.
2019-12-05 21:31
#112
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Slovakia veeellys 
Just look how karrigan plays b inferno ct side and come back. His calls are good for matchmaking
2019-12-05 21:30
Gl getting a better igl.The only igl I can think of is MSL but he isnt a lot better either(if he is better at all)
2019-12-05 12:12
Chris is better but they still keep karrigan.
2019-12-05 12:18
yeah, no IGL, that worked out great for faze...
2019-12-05 12:22
Anyone can be an IGL and many of them will be better players than karrigan.
2019-12-05 12:23
yeah, and faze shows how great "anyone can be an IGL" works...
2019-12-05 12:23
Their IGLing is fine, their teamplay and chemistry is missing, players don't care enough to prepare to hit their shots.
2019-12-05 12:24
no their igl isn't fine, it's terrible. also not anyone can be an IGL. are you trolling? it's like saying "anyone can awp". sure, all pros are good enough to IGL in pugs but obviously not on actual pro level because focusing on multiple things is hard.
2019-12-05 12:27
#85
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China hdgamerrr 
well,Astralis is doing great without karrigan.Its hard to win any tie1 event trophy if you have a player like zeus or karrigan.gla1ve,stan,azr or nitro don't have any problem fragging so their team is very good these days
2019-12-05 12:33
No, actually literally anyone can lead, as well as be a sniper. You overrate and overcomplicate things like you usually do. It's not their problem, they don't play up enough with each other.
2019-12-05 13:43
#81
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North America xAriana 
+1
2019-12-05 12:27
BREAKING NEWS: chrisj reads HLTV post from subconsious and decides to retire
2019-12-05 11:19
#6
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Poland maerts 
He does read HLTV shit, he said it himself
2019-12-05 11:22
#5
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Turkey sonbafrali 
- chrisJ + Calyx
2019-12-05 11:22
amazing try kek
2019-12-05 11:57
Nt kanka
2019-12-05 12:46
#114
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Slovakia veeellys 
Reported
2019-12-05 21:32
#9
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Netherlands Alvinvl 
Keep Chrisj
2019-12-05 11:23
#16
INS | 
Australia CLEGGY 
only cause he's your country's only relevant player lmao
2019-12-05 11:31
#19
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
Nt name any New Holland relevant players... bet you can't
2019-12-05 11:34
#21
INS | 
Australia CLEGGY 
i cant cause they are all irrelevant outside of holland
2019-12-05 11:34
#23
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
You live in New Holland?
2019-12-05 11:35
#27
INS | 
Australia CLEGGY 
new holland is a tractor
2019-12-05 11:41
#34
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
it's also a country that's located just west of new Zealand :) (zeeland dutch province omegalul?)
2019-12-05 11:44
#36
INS | 
Australia CLEGGY 
im sorry im not used to calling my great country something that features the name of a very not good country
2019-12-05 11:45
#39
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
Good joke)) didn't you lose the war vs some Emu's omegalul, joke of a country ))
2019-12-05 11:47
#40
INS | 
Australia CLEGGY 
"war against emus" it literally wasn't a war in the slightest it was 2 single guys who couldn't kill all of the thousands of emus yes they did have support from the government but they only supplied them with guns and things get your facts right first no scener
2019-12-05 11:48
#43
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
you still lost though, Australia most irrelevant military ever hahaha. At least we fought vs the Nazi's instead of some fucking birds lmaooo
2019-12-05 11:50
#44
INS | 
Australia CLEGGY 
"Despite being neutral, the Netherlands in World War II was invaded by Nazi Germany on 10 May 1940, under orders of Adolf Hitler.[1] On 15 May 1940, one day after the bombing of Rotterdam, the Dutch forces surrendered." nt
2019-12-05 11:52
#46
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
didn't say we win, but at least we fought people and not some shitty birds))
2019-12-05 11:52
#49
INS | 
Australia CLEGGY 
0/8 we didn't fight some birds we just got 2 guys to try decrease the number of emus, so we didn't really lose that But you did you fought the nazis, which you didn't even cause dutch military is not very good((
2019-12-05 11:54
#54
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
"Dutch military not good" yeah sure, that's why we were such a big colonial power and had a bigger navy than France and the UK combined during our golden age
2019-12-05 11:55
#56
INS | 
Australia CLEGGY 
Navy doesn't mean anything everyone knows all good wars are fought on the land
2019-12-05 11:56
#58
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
New Dutch Water Line kept the Spanish out ez))
2019-12-05 11:57
#110
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Turkey FSM36 
you are proud of having big navy who were colonizing some shitty indian islands and slaving millions of black people? damn dude
2019-12-05 21:26
#117
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
Nice try playing the victim role while your country slaughtered millions of Armenians and you still don't have the balls to accept the consequences. Besides, never said I was proud of our military history (I am though)
2019-12-06 10:19
#123
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Turkey FSM36 
cant call a civil war a genocide dude and i understand that you are brainwashed by the eu propaganda and not to mention what about srebrenica?? your coward military ran away and let the genocide happen on the bosnaks there? imagine being proud of that military who runs like cowards xDDD
2019-12-06 14:50
#124
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
at least we didn't rape millions of innocent women while we slaughtered their husbands and sons. I'd rather have an army with an actual brain instead of behaving like some primative monkeys. The Dutchbatt soldiers knew they were heavily outnumbered and were sure to be executed if they didn't retreat, so they made the only wise decision they could to prevent more blood from spilling
2019-12-06 15:35
#125
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Turkey FSM36 
nice western propaganda
2019-12-06 15:35
#126
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
good comeback
2019-12-06 15:38
#128
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Turkey FSM36 
doenst matter what i say, your answer will always be the same : atleast we didnt do genocide atlesat we didnt rape blah and blah typical western answers eu logic: everyone is bad except us we are the superior once we never did something wrong in our history meanwhile eu history: Nazism, slavery , genocides and colonizing and btw the dutchbat soldiers didnt retreat they just handed over the bosnaks over to the genociders , there is even a video of that lul
2019-12-06 15:43
#134
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
Never said European didn't do anything wrong. I can name plenty of things that we did wrong. However, that doesn't mean that we can't be proud of the things that we accomplished
2019-12-06 15:52
#130
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Turkey FSM36 
2019-12-06 15:44
#133
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
don't know how this is relevant. All I see is some drugged out serbian junkie yelling at some dutch guy
2019-12-06 15:50
#135
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Turkey FSM36 
yeah you just cant accept the truth m8 i know its hard
2019-12-06 16:04
#136
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
Sure mate if that makes you happy, hf being slaved to Erdogoatfucker
2019-12-06 16:05
#143
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Turkey FSM36 
everyone better then your nazi wilders
2019-12-06 16:19
#144
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
wtf I love Geert Wilders how did you know? Can't wait until he gets into power and kicks out all those lazy Morrocans and Turks haha (10% of them can stay, only the good ones)
2019-12-06 16:22
#149
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Turkey FSM36 
i know you like him becouse the nazism are still in your european genetics :)
2019-12-06 16:48
Imagine being proud of something that happened hundreds of years ago that has NOTHING to do with you. Loser.
2019-12-06 16:09
#140
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
ok irrelevant country
2019-12-06 16:12
We dominate the Winter sports and are the richest country in the world after Switzerland. Were doing pretty good mens))
2019-12-06 16:15
#142
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
anything else or is that all?
2019-12-06 16:18
Yeh also i fucked your mom
2019-12-06 17:41
#164
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
oh god oh no
2019-12-06 22:42
Thats what she said.
2019-12-06 22:44
#66
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Hungary hardrise 
Yeah, the Dutch army is great. Ask the Bosnians in Srebrenica.
2019-12-05 12:07
#109
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
that was an oopsie 🤪🤭
2019-12-05 21:21
#33
INS | 
Australia CLEGGY 
oh wait i get it look i'll name some good players from "new holland" jks, azr, spunj, ins, dexter, malta, dickstacy, dexter, ofnu, zewsy, tucks, texta, liazz, alistair, hatz, emagine all of these players have achieved more than the entirety of your whole country
2019-12-05 11:44
#35
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
these are all players with dutch roots, therefore rightfully dutch cs players. so nt noscene))
2019-12-05 11:45
#42
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Australia CLEGGY 
false the dutch people came to australia before the british did but they didn't colonise here we are all mainly of british descent nt again noscener
2019-12-05 11:50
#45
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
where is Australian football scene though?? aka the only relevant sport on this planet. Oh wait they fucking suck xddd
2019-12-05 11:52
#47
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Australia CLEGGY 
Football? You mean the only good sport in the world Australian Rules Football? Australian Football > Soccer
2019-12-05 11:52
#48
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
xdd sure, that's why soooooo many people watch Australian football (obvious sarcasm omegalul what an irrelevant country you are I almost feel sad for you)
2019-12-05 11:53
#53
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Australia CLEGGY 
i literally forgot holland existed before i started talking to you it's overshadowed by all the good european countries like swedan finnlan
2019-12-05 11:55
#55
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
well at least I don't live in some fucking desert where emu's rule the country xd
2019-12-05 11:56
#60
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Australia CLEGGY 
all of the civilised parts of australia aren't in the desert and normally all of the emus are locked up in pens or cages or zoos so humans > emus
2019-12-05 11:57
#57
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
anyway enough baiting for today, was nice speaking to you mens)) I'm off to watch Mouz vs Renegades (gl if ur Renegades fan) ps I love Australia would love to visit one day))
2019-12-05 11:56
#61
INS | 
Australia CLEGGY 
ily2 mens i actually learnt something from this (like history and stuff) goodbye
2019-12-05 11:58
Wholesome.
2019-12-06 16:11
#22
cyx | 
Germany Shadyy89 
I would also like them to keep ChrisJ and Iam not dutch)))
2019-12-05 11:34
#11
BnTeT | 
Indonesia lukerey 
karrigan woxic ropz bubzkji kjaerbye
2019-12-05 11:25
#18
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Denmark Karrigan500IQ 
+1
2019-12-05 11:33
Nt pasha 😎
2019-12-05 11:25
Why are you guys always saying players should retire when they don't perform against tier 1? He would still smash any tier 2 team easily
2019-12-05 11:31
#24
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Poland subconsious 
i mean, mous wants to be top1 at one time i guess. it wont work with botj, terrible against young guns. let me stand in in tier 3 and i can do as good as him
2019-12-05 11:36
You can argue that he should be removed from the team but telling him to retire is just unreasonable
2019-12-05 11:37
#26
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Poland subconsious 
I mean, if he leaves mouz i dont think he would be a good addiction for any team that is looking up for the future. Thats why i think that he would retire from pro if he gets kicked
2019-12-05 11:38
As I said, he would still be an upgrade for any tier 2 team. For example Big would pick him instantly without even thinking about it(he also speaks german I think)
2019-12-05 11:41
#31
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Poland subconsious 
Maybe he is not that bad as i think but still.. im not a fan of his "talent"
2019-12-05 11:42
His numbers do also get a lot worse because he is playing bitch positions to boost his star players. If he wouldn't have to set them up as much he'd prolly have okay-ish numbers and in tier 2 he'd be very profficient
2019-12-05 11:43
Yeah I noticed how he often has to carry bomb/plant the bomb.
2019-12-05 12:35
#120
cyx | 
Netherlands Ye_I_Yeet 
every well-educated dutchie speaks at least some german 😎😎
2019-12-06 12:45
Mouz is definetly not aiming for top1 realisticly,they dont have the resources for that
2019-12-05 12:14
Nt uitkeringtrekker
2019-12-05 11:40
wat een gore hond man
2019-12-05 11:46
Wat een flikker
2019-12-06 17:58
Zijn gewoon bijstandkampers.
2019-12-07 11:24
Typische kurwa pool, ZE STELEN ONS WERREK
2019-12-07 11:56
he was pretty good/decent from like ever, until last months and people say he should retire. but some players that have been SHIT for years you dont even talk about.
2019-12-05 11:41
nt kankerjood
2019-12-05 11:46
#41
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Croatia feelsbadmane 
isnt chrisj the best player on the team for like last year? they should replace woxic if u are talking about being non consistant especially in big matches
2019-12-05 11:49
#62
huNter- | 
Luxembourg hagix 
LOL woxic and ropz hardcarries mouz
2019-12-05 11:58
#63
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Croatia feelsbadmane 
idk but every final or semi final when i watched he chocked hard and i always thought thats the reason they arent winning tittles
2019-12-05 11:59
His stats are terrible compared to anyone else on mouse except for karrigan
2019-12-05 12:31
#51
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France Random69420 
No
2019-12-05 11:55
#52
Magisk | 
Europe s1xX 
lmao at all the triggerd dutchies rn.
2019-12-05 11:55
-chrisJ +ISSAA bring combo woxic ISSAA back btw ISSAA OG now
2019-12-05 11:59
the whole mousesports roster are bots except woxic tbh
2019-12-05 12:00
Let's see if this thread ages well
2019-12-05 12:13
#87
cyx | 
Germany Shadyy89 
so far pretty decent. Fucking ChrisJ haters should suck some big d's
2019-12-05 12:35
#71
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Netherlands XboX_K1nect 
chrisJ topfraggin rn
2019-12-05 12:15
#74
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Other orseti 
after that yes
2019-12-05 12:19
just stfu lol
2019-12-05 12:28
if mouz wants to be a top 5 team maybe he should, eventhough i'm a fan of him. For real, i like to watch mouz for their agressive plays and balls to the walls counterstrike, would hate it to see him gone from mouz, also if the team is not performing he is often one of the players who are actually making plays
2019-12-05 12:32
Talking smack on the wolf of wallstreet, he shows up often enough
2019-12-05 12:34
I never understood that reference. The context was him liquidating liquid with an awp on mirage right? he was called that because of liquidating or what?
2019-12-05 12:43
Honestly, no idea.
2019-12-05 13:07
#97
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Netherlands zuzelmonster 
#96
2019-12-05 13:10
#96
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Netherlands zuzelmonster 
no the wolf off wall street is known to swear a lot. in ChrisJ's his streams he often swears with the dutch term ''kanker'' which literally is dutch for ''cancer''. he also swears alot with other terms and thats why he is called the wolf of wall street.
2019-12-05 13:09
#150
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Netherlands zuzelmonster 
yea its his nickname he owned it by what he said on his stream so casters call him that. his ace on mirage is just a play where they named him that but he origin is coming from his swearing!
2019-12-06 17:07
#89
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Spain Granjero_ 
Chris j topfragger right now but he's too inconsistent
2019-12-05 12:38
#90
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China Rynaki 
The entirety of mouz is too inconsistent
2019-12-05 12:41
23 rounds in and he's 26-13 Its not chris thats the problem
2019-12-05 12:46
#95
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Netherlands zuzelmonster 
he went 31-20, the best player of this map for mouz.
2019-12-05 13:08
Chris 'chrisJ' de Jong 31-20 +11 99.8 73.3% 1.48
2019-12-05 13:10
against easy opponents ofc...
2019-12-06 16:36
hah KEKW
2019-12-05 13:54
Chris 'chrisJ' de Jong - 64-46 - +18 - 86.6 - 72.7% - 1.31
2019-12-05 15:11
I think karrigan should be retired. CrishJ can IGL. Then +xantarSEX. He would be an insane duo with inconsistentOXIC. Mouz become n1 team so EZ
2019-12-05 22:50
+1
2019-12-06 10:21
what a retard XDDDDD turkish brain
2019-12-06 15:41
Lmao do you think I think like this really ahahahahaha. I think you need to check your brain. I was just baiting people and you got baited
2019-12-06 17:46
#132
JW | 
Finland Ilucs 
Xantares in an onliner
2019-12-06 15:45
I was waiting to bait some people You got baited lul Congratulagdajdjandkaldjejakdkfmabtions my friend lul
2019-12-06 17:48
#161
JW | 
Finland Ilucs 
No.
2019-12-06 18:22
#121
Szohn | 
Nepal Nepali 
I think he should reitre.
2019-12-06 12:45
maybe 'retri' this stupid thread with less braindead opinions
2019-12-06 15:44
He’s ok
2019-12-06 15:45
#138
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Netherlands WitnessMe 
No 😎
2019-12-06 16:10
Its true he has been worse the last couple of months than the year prior but he showing up rn at pro league so thats great so see, i think he is doing a lot of the dirty work for mouz rn, he is definetely one of the more impactful support players in the scene
2019-12-06 16:26
He is really Impactful. He maybe sometimes doesn't get the kills but he always has a great KAST.
2019-12-06 16:34
#146
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Armenia gr1nch 
bot niko also tried to kick him, and what happened next?
2019-12-06 16:28
#151
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Italy alenbeast 
no he is the wolf of wall street
2019-12-06 17:07
lol he tha god
2019-12-06 17:10
N o
2019-12-06 17:57
#159
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Estonia pufferG 
lmao chrisj carryed mouz yesterday
2019-12-06 18:00
Yeah, hes 29 and has some ok games, however with just a few good performances like yesterday I think that they should transition him out for another younger player. If they looked for another younger IGL to replace karrigan as well in the eventual future (karrigan is 29 as well so coming up on retirement/moving to coaching) they could have an amazing young squad. Their average age would be around ~19-21 which would allow them to grow for like 2-3 years, so if they are a top team now they could get so much better, build synergy and become like the next astralis. Or they could just pull a faze, kick chrisj, find someone ok, still have bad results, kick karrigan and not find an igl and then go to shit for the next year
2019-12-06 22:49
#69
2019-12-06 23:02
in b4 win-fanboys after esl finsals won and chris gets mvp
2019-12-06 23:12
Delete this ya peanutbrain
2019-12-06 23:12
Thread didn't age well
2019-12-07 12:01
#178
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Netherlands XboX_K1nect 
xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxax
2019-12-07 12:05
#180
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Czech Republic StetD 
OMg I'm so done with this, people keep on hating on players like Chris, cuz they just don't understand how the game works, in fact he is really good player still, in spite of his age. One of the best hybrids players out there. Hated, just like Taco was hated, just like STYKO was hated and many others were and many others will be, only because all people see are the numbers. So IDK why people post theads about stuff they don't understand.
2019-12-07 12:12
North
1.59
Sprout
2.36
Cloud9
1.50
Renegades
2.36
Heroic
1.95
MAD Lions
1.85
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