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TOP 20 2019
s1mple | 
Sweden chanchex 
I haven't picked random players. This is based on stats of this year so far. I was bored and I decided to check all ratings and compare all the players 1 by 1. NOTE: - The only rank that it is not sure 100% yet is zywoo vs s1mple, we will have to wait this month because every little change in their performance will affect the ranking, but it is probably going to be s1mple due to his current performance in EPL and good rating in big events and majors, however EPICENTER 2019 will be the final tournament where the n.1 player in the world will be chosen. There are a lot of factors that might affect the number one, like maps played or value more “Big events” rather than overall, or “majors” more than Big events… etc. We don’t know for sure how HLTV chooses them, but this is the best that I could’ve done. 1. s1mple 2. Zywoo 3. device 4. Elige 5. Electronic 6. Brehze 7. NAF 8. Magisk 9. Niko 10. Twistzz 11. ropz 12. Jame 13. dupreeh 14. huNter 15. woxic 16. cerq 17. jks 18. coldzera 19. xyp9x 20. yuurih Honorable mentions (might be in the top 20, but no I didn't find the space for them, so they might make it or they might not) Gla1ve Sergej Krimz Brollan KSCERATO Plopski f0rest frozen allu kennyS Feel free to add players based on arguments or stats, not because you like a player more than another.
2019-12-05 20:17
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yuurih lol
2019-12-05 20:18
#9
s1mple | 
Sweden chanchex 
good stats for #20, it is true that tier2 even 3 team lately, but still could make it. Otherwise gla1ve or frozen would be #20
2019-12-05 20:20
kscerato have more chances to be in top 20 than yuurih
2019-12-05 20:54
#2
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Denmark FazeUpAssDown 
0/8
2019-12-05 20:19
#5
s1mple | 
Sweden chanchex 
why
2019-12-05 20:19
Lul yuurih and jame top 12
2019-12-05 20:56
#3
s1mple | 
Sweden chanchex 
Forgot to add Ethan either at #19-20 or in Honorable mentions
2019-12-05 20:19
why do people pretend that rating is the only thing that counts?
2019-12-05 20:19
#7
s1mple | 
Sweden chanchex 
I don't, just did this for fun
2019-12-05 20:19
"however EPICENTER 2019 will be the final tournament where the n.1 player in the world will be chosen" Imagine thinking that the best player in the world will be decided in a tournament with the mighty Heroic, Forze and EHOME
2019-12-05 20:21
their stats are literally the same, and that event where both teams will face each other will have a huge impact for who is 1# and who is #2.
2019-12-05 20:22
their stats are not the same. s1mple is 1.30 and zywoo is 1.29
2019-12-05 20:29
Zywoo > S1mple. Achieved more, had more impact and have more maps played. S1mple should be happy if he gets even in the top 3 lmao
2019-12-06 08:53
#6
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Russia zLex67 
7/8
2019-12-05 20:19
#8
kNgV- | 
Italy yungsvrmv 
I think s1mple isn't 1st right now and hunter with yuurih won't make it to top20 for sure
2019-12-05 20:19
yuurih probably won't, about hunter I don't know what to think right now. And s1mple I am pretty sure that he is the best and he will be Top 1 of the year, if not, top 2 after zywoo
2019-12-05 20:21
whatever makes you sleep at night I guess. Zywoo is gonna be the top1, it's already done, a shit event that barely counts as a big event won't change anything
2019-12-05 20:25
#82
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Austria Vlaams_Welpje 
s1mple has a higher Rating on big Events and Majors what are you smoking
2019-12-06 08:47
#11
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Sweden Theovby 
0/8 device top 1
2019-12-05 20:21
explain.
2019-12-05 20:21
I will just copy paste a previous comment of me : There is no way that s1mple will be 1 or 2 tho. It's the same Situation like in 2k17 (could be 16 as well, not sure) where he had the best stats as well but less Maps played and less archievments. His 0.04 stat advantage over Device is nothing when you compare their Maps played and archievments this year. Top 1 could be either zywoo or Device
2019-12-06 09:00
#15
oskar | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
top20.y0fl0w.de hunTer with 33 Big Event Maps going -1 with 1.06 Rating LUL
2019-12-05 20:23
I've seen it before, however we don't know how HLTV chooses the winner (and that web clearly says so) so I decided to put s1mple over zywoo, but both of them could make it tbh
2019-12-05 20:24
#19
oskar | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
what web says what? no s1mple way to few awards this year & playoff apperances
2019-12-05 20:25
"There is no relation between HLTV.org and the creator of this tool." Which means that it is not the same way HLTV chooses the winner. Anything could happen, but I see your point, we will have to wait and see. And EPL and Epicenter will play a huge role as well, since everything is so tied up between those two
2019-12-05 20:27
#47
oskar | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
obviously not LUL but with the default weights it gets you 20/20 for last year(not correct order ofc) and yes, EPL, Blast & EPICCENTER play a huge role all of the 3 could make it, s1mple & zwyoo &device
2019-12-05 20:40
People don't realize that. Navi basically went inactive during the whole zeus - boombla replacement. Even electronic top5 is too high for me, people that play less shouldn't be rewarded
2019-12-05 20:28
#45
oskar | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
yeah, i mean they both have insane stats and even a kinda high amount of maps played at big events.. but they basically achieved nothing this year
2019-12-05 20:38
Achievements and how good a player is, is not the same vitality is the worst team but has potentially the best player In the world. It doesn't add up
2019-12-06 08:48
#16
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Europe detluff 
8/8 good top but i think cerq > niko
2019-12-05 20:22
#18
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Finland Hoitelia 
Brollan or krimz easily top 20
2019-12-05 20:24
yep, honestly from 10 to 20 including the honorable mentions could change very easily and nothing is for sure, but yeah brollan or krimz could easily make it to the top like #15-20
2019-12-05 20:26
Good list.
2019-12-05 20:26
#23
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
If you're talking about HLTV rankings 1. EVPs and MVPs play a part 2. HLTV weighs tournaments differently 3. Dev1ce has the closeness in ratings + big awards to be in the running 4. Maps play a massive part as they have in previous rankings 5. Ratings are obviously not the only thing Clearly you arent weighing just stats as you have Hunter but you've somehow got to the conclusion that only ZywOo and S1mple are in the no.1 race? Literally everything you put is not even close to 100%.
2019-12-05 20:27
If other player other than Zywoo or s1mple is top 1 of 2019, I will give you $300. You have to be retarded to think that other player like device or Elige will be the best. In the maps played I agree with you 100%, that's the main factor why Zywoo has very high chances to win. And the rest of them, I have checked all factors 1 by 1, and this is how I think they will be ranked. You can disagree, we will come back and check who is the best player in 1 month
2019-12-05 20:32
#68
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Ok im looking forward to it
2019-12-05 20:49
Instead of giving him 300 i will tell you how to make free money if youre so sure. Go on bet 365 and bet for zywoo (2.20 odds) and s1mple (16 odds). Device has 1.80 btw, so the favourite for the bookmakers.
2019-12-06 11:13
device is 100% top 1 this year THERE IS NO DOUBT about it
2019-12-05 20:27
100% he won't be top 1. It is going to be either s1mple or zywoo.
2019-12-05 20:33
bro he has more trophies and mvp than eveyone and a great rating, why should s1mple or zywoo take the first place?
2019-12-05 20:37
Because they have played better individually this year. This is not football, in csgo the player with the highest rating and stats usually gets the Top #1. He has won more tournaments and awards, I agree. But that doesn't necessarily mean he is better. Zywoo and s1mple had to carry their teams all the year, device is just another player of the best team in the world
2019-12-05 20:39
in 2017, 2015, 2014 the highest rated player didn't win. and in 2019 of course :)
2019-12-05 20:47
ok, lets wait and see
2019-12-05 20:48
in 2014 get right was #1 with 1.13 rating and kennys was 1.27 at #6 so being a good player in a bad team and winning almost nothing (like zywoo and s1mple) isn't historically what gives you #1
2019-12-05 20:50
Yes but Zywoo and S1mple won nothing, and imo it counts a lot
2019-12-05 20:49
#26
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France EkyZ 
Not a bad top 20 but we have all different opinion ( imo cold not top 20 this year) but i repect this choice
2019-12-05 20:28
yeah I didn't include him at the beggining to be honest because I thought he did a terrible job, then I checked his timeline and stats and somehow he hasn't played that bad (only bad tournament when he first joined Faze) But yeah, it is not for sure, maybe he is in the top 20 or maybe he is not. We will have to wait and see. TY
2019-12-05 20:34
#77
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France EkyZ 
Np bro ))
2019-12-06 06:54
unexpected
2019-12-05 20:29
#30
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Poland pasiak555 
Wtf 1 snax
2019-12-05 20:30
you cant be serious lmao...
2019-12-05 20:31
explain
2019-12-05 20:35
1. s1mple he wont be even 2nd for pretty obvious reasons 6. Brehze 7. NAF 8. Magisk like why the hell is brehze above them? makes literally no sense at all. also elec as 5th with navi skipping events is pretty improbable 12. Jame with 30 maps in big events with 1.09 rating? like for real...? 14. huNter "I haven't picked random players" 33 maps in big events with 1.06 rating. 0 mvps, 0 evps 16. cerq 17. jks both higher 20. yuurih but no kscerato? where is the logic behind this? no sergej? ethan? the hell even krimz/brollan deserves that list more than like 5 players in your list. dude...if this is your personal opinion based on i have no idea what then fine. if this is prediction how hltv top20 will look like you have absolutely no idea how that ranking works...
2019-12-05 20:41
I have checked all stats and I have thought about this, that doesn't mean my list is perfect. For example, with Jame and huNter you are right and they will not be in that position or even in the ranking at all, who knows. About s1mple, I disagree. If he doesn't get the first place, he will get the second. Brehze has played better than Magisk and NAF and I don't think I got the wrong. About cerq and jks, maybe they will be a bit higher but I don't think they will be much higher considering the other players... And about yuurih, I agree. He probably won't make it, instead, Brollan, Ethan or even frozen, kenny or kcserato will make it instead. I didn't want to sound like this is for sure or I have it all under control, I just tried my best. HLTV doesn't say in public the factors of why picking one instead of another (it can depend, they migh give more importance to Big events instaead of MVPs, or against TOP5 instead of map played etc...) and we don't know for sure so we can't possibly make a 100% accurate top 30. This was the ranking as I think it will be, thanks for the feedback
2019-12-06 08:23
hunter wont be there for sure, jame has like 5% chance for 19/20th spot. "About s1mple, I disagree. If he doesn't get the first place, he will get the second." you have to realize how that ranking works. it isnt based on just stats. relevancy is HUGE factor in hltv top20 and always was. both zywoo and dev1ce will be above him. even elige could be. "Brehze has played better than Magisk and NAF and I don't think I got the wrong." hltv.org/stats/players/compare/9136/Breh.. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/9136/Breh.. vs top10 on lan hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01.. achievments both naf and magisk better. individual awards mvp: naf 3, magisk: 1(major), brehze: 1. both naf and magisk have more evps "About cerq and jks, maybe they will be a bit higher but I don't think they will be much higher considering the other players..." they will be around 10-12th place "HLTV doesn't say in public the factors of why picking one instead of another" they always say reasons behind their picks. also if you follow their ranking for at least 2-3 years you can clearly see their criterias. stats(not only overall rating but also play off rating, entry kill stats, impact, adr, clutches, vs top teams), relevancy+achievments, consistency, individual awards
2019-12-06 08:42
yuurihTARDED
2019-12-05 20:32
maybe he makes it, maybe he doesn't. But yeah I agree it was a long shot and his chances are not as high as Krimz, frozen or sergej. Who knows
2019-12-05 20:36
i know
2019-12-05 20:38
#35
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Belgium PurpleAFK 
elige top no doubt
2019-12-05 20:33
yeah, top 1 of this summer. Overall nowhere close to the first 3. Sorry
2019-12-05 20:35
#49
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Belgium PurpleAFK 
0/8
2019-12-05 20:40
#84
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Austria Vlaams_Welpje 
bruh elige lmao Maybe top 10
2019-12-06 08:49
#37
Luken | 
Argentina Ra88it 
where is luken?
2019-12-05 20:34
KCSERATO>yuurih jks should be higher allu shouldn't be on honorable mentions jkaem should be on honorable mentions otherwise it's quite good
2019-12-05 20:38
About KCSERATO, both of them are similar and have similar rating, but yeah both of them could make it. Jks played really good, but I don't think he is going to be higher than #14 tbh Allu sucks and I don't like him as a player at all, but his stats are not bad so I decided to include him even tho I didn't want to Jkaem should be on honorable mentions, I forgot to include him.
2019-12-05 20:44
I think that jks will be at least top 15, but it's your opinion Thank you my friend
2019-12-05 20:45
zywoo top1 device 2nd s1mple 3rd
2019-12-05 20:38
zywoo top 1, maybe but I don't think so. Device higher than s1mple? nope
2019-12-05 20:44
s1mple got only 1 mvp + wasnt at many big events either he has like 20 maps whole year vs top5 I think thats not even close to liquid or astralis
2019-12-05 20:46
you can play 5.000 maps against top 5 teams but if your perfomance is 1.10, that only means you are consitant. But if you play 50 maps and you got 1.30, that means that you are the best.
2019-12-05 20:48
haha nice joke device did much better this year, not stat padding every event and going out in the quarters
2019-12-05 20:51
#50
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Norway 1Benjiii 
7/8, brollan will definitely be top 10
2019-12-05 20:41
not top10...no freaking way. currently he probably is top10 but from whole year he will be around 15th
2019-12-05 20:42
Exactly, he could make it, but if he does, he will be somewhere between 15 and 20.
2019-12-05 20:45
#51
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Sweden GuMbUBBle 
bro i got a question . what did electronic do for top 10 ?
2019-12-05 20:42
#85
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Austria Vlaams_Welpje 
being good lmao
2019-12-06 08:50
#55
huNter- | 
France Asviix 
S0mple ZywOo top 1 ez
2019-12-05 20:45
maybe, I don't think so but is an option
2019-12-05 20:46
Ofc, s1 fan will put s1mple n.1 pls dude Dev1ce on third, r u crazy?
2019-12-05 20:45
between 1 and 2 you can place them however you want, and I decided to put s1mple first. device will be #3 for sure, both zywoo and s1mple will be 1 and 2.
2019-12-05 20:46
ok, I respect you, but for me s1 didn't shine as he shine last year, last year he was unstoppable but that year I think when s1 decide to be the rifler of navi he just threw his n.1 spot (obs: i love s1mple too dude, don't be mad with me)
2019-12-05 20:50
#62
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Sweden flippig 
brollan > Jame, hunter, woxic, jks, coldzera, yurih
2019-12-05 20:46
brollan is good and he will probably make it, but he hasn't performed as good as woxic, jks or coldzera. But yeah, I agree he is more likely to be in the top 20 than yuurih
2019-12-05 20:49
#101
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Sweden flippig 
Played pretty much double the amount of games that woxic did + better opponents
2019-12-06 11:14
Woxic those dont know
2019-12-06 11:02
#67
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Sweden themightyone 
Brollan will be on the list, just watch.
2019-12-05 20:49
#76
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Norway BakeAndShake 
where is hallzerk?
2019-12-05 21:34
Didnt ask for top150
2019-12-06 08:54
#97
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Norway BakeAndShake 
"Feel free to add players based on arguments or stats, not because you like a player more than another"
2019-12-06 10:42
Didnt ask for top150 tho
2019-12-06 10:56
#103
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Norway BakeAndShake 
hallzerk is top 5 tho retarded swedish guy
2019-12-06 17:09
True but he is top5 in norway
2019-12-06 19:46
#105
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Norway BakeAndShake 
top 5 in world retard imagine being swedish jævla neger
2019-12-06 20:07
Stop lying to urself
2019-12-07 00:50
#110
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Norway BakeAndShake 
stop being swedish to urself
2019-12-07 11:29
#78
JW | 
India Silverk 
0/8 at least 2 fnatic players will be in there and device should be no.1 cause of the evps and mvps
2019-12-06 06:59
at least give me 6/8 mennsss I agree Brollan will probably make it to the top like no. 19 or 20, about Krimz I don't see that so clear but who knows, maybe. And about device, it could be an option but I really don't think so and I would be really suprised. I highly believe it is gonna be s1mple or zywoo.
2019-12-06 08:27
#87
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Germany Constikdw 
Yuurih, Jame and hunter won’t be there as they haven’t played that many T1 tournaments. Ropz is also too high, as he also hasn’t played for the first 5 months of the year, just like woxic. Ethan should be in there. And one of Krimz/Brollan/JW will be in there as well. But otherwise a good list I guess
2019-12-06 08:53
Jame will definitely be in the top 20
2019-12-06 09:05
#95
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Germany Constikdw 
I can’t imagine 1.09 rating at big events with only 30 maps played is gonna be enough
2019-12-06 09:24
1. dev1ce 2. ZywOo 3. S1mple 4. Magisk 5. EliGE 6. Electronic 7. NAF 8. Brehze 9. NiKo 10. sergej 11. dupreeh 12. TwistZz 13. jks 14. Xyp9x 15. KennyS 16. gla1ve 17. Ethan 18. Jame 19. brollan 20. allu Honorable mentions: JW, ropz, flamie, Krimz, cerq, woxic, f0rest
2019-12-06 09:00
I wouldn't put Magisk that high But overall I definitely agree
2019-12-06 09:05
Well there are still 2 tournaments Astralis are participating in this year. Still a chance for Magisk to break top4. + he has a major mvp which will give him a big boost
2019-12-06 09:07
S1mple won't be in top 2 imo, and Device will be first
2019-12-06 09:04
I think if device gets 1 more mvp, then he will be #1 for 100% but until then its probably 50/50 with zywoo and device, even though I see zywoo at #1 rn
2019-12-07 00:54
1. device 2. ZywOo 3. Elige 4. s1mple 5. Magisk 6. NAF 7. Brehze 8. electronic 9. NiKo 10. Twistzz 11. Xyp9x 12. dupreeh 13. jks 14. sergej 15. cerq 16. krimz 17. Ethan 18. kennyS 19. gla1ve 20. allu
2019-12-06 10:06
That top 10 definitely is the good one imo I wouldn't change anything
2019-12-06 15:25
Xyp9x hasn't been that good this year. I think removing xyp and moving everyone up 1, then adding brollan would be better
2019-12-06 20:36
#107
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China Mekka_Siekk 
Astralis all
2019-12-06 20:45
forZe
1.13
Copenhagen Flames
5.55
SKADE
2.04
Tricked
1.76
North
1.59
Sprout
2.36
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