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Europe Dolbajoba 
I think its time to upgrade my PC little bit, I was thinking to buy I5-9400f. Right now I have I5-4460 but its a fucking dogshit with 100fps. Will I5-9400f give me constantly 200fps? I think its good for price also, it costs somewhere in 150euros and I dont want to spend more tbh
2019-12-08 14:13
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Europe Jeksyy 
2019-12-08 14:15
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United States TrashPanda 
You should go for the 8100 almost as good and cheaper. 2 less cores but you aren’t going to notice it in most settings. 4 cores is enough in 2019 and people saying it isn’t are just wrong. If you’re going to spend more than 150$ just get the 8400 if you can save the money to get it or if you can find it cheap and can overclock the shit out of it the 8350K is a good option.
2019-12-08 14:18
Switzerland joe_is_best 
games these days can use even 8 cores. You should check some benchmarks m8
2019-12-08 14:40
United States TrashPanda 
I’m not denying that. I’m just saying 4 cores still suffice just fine.
2019-12-08 14:44
United Kingdom willtr 
the 9100f is better value cause its cheaper than the 8100 and better
2019-12-08 14:45
United States TrashPanda 
That’s weird. 9100F used to be more expensive than the 8100. Didn’t check pricing, my bad. Likely due to inventory amounts.
2019-12-08 14:47
United Kingdom willtr 
in the uk amazon sells it constantly for £80 while the 8100 is £115-£125
2019-12-08 14:48
United Kingdom oyyrofl 
Can you give me link? I cant find it
2019-12-08 18:36
United Kingdom oyyrofl 
damn i thought yall talking about i5 cpu lmao, btw whats the difference between these 2 cpus? i had my eyes on ryzen 5 2600, but just checked out the i3 9100f and it seems to have better perfomance actually, so might consider that
2019-12-08 19:17
United Kingdom willtr 
yeah the thing is ryzen is more future proof because if you want to stream play more demanding games than cs ryzen is better and if you can stretch to a 3600 you would be getting an i7 level of performance or around there but its up to you
2019-12-08 19:42
I think I may know why. AMD's new Ryzen CPU's made Intel cut their price big time. Only I guess on older CPU's they did not, maybe because no one thinks of those anymore.
2019-12-08 15:03
United States TrashPanda 
Also Intels pricing has always made zero fucking sense.
2019-12-08 15:14
Bulgaria b0xeR4et0 
ok boomer, you prolly used to say this for quad cores as well "2 more cores, no improvement"
2019-12-08 14:52
United States ottovonlousie 
2 less cores you aren't going to notice it. Are you fucking insane
2019-12-08 15:29
Europe twitchy_ 
4 cores was a thing 10 years ago men. Right now 8 cores is the place to aim, specially if you don't upgrade the pc so often and you want something that last at least 4 or 5 years.
2019-12-08 15:41
2019-12-08 15:51
That’s simply not true. 4 cores is not an option unless you are on a budget
2019-12-09 03:27
World Beard43 
Erm, you bought Intel men, they change the socket every generation so you have to buy a new motherboard to upgrade to the next. Check your motherboard manufacturers website for a list of compatible CPU's with your model and choose from that. You may or may not need to update the BIOS for some of them.
2019-12-08 14:19
9600k best opinion i guess if u want cheap fast chip
2019-12-08 14:34
Idk it costs 250euros, little bit too much i think
2019-12-08 14:36
But it will give you veri good fps
2019-12-08 14:41
United Kingdom willtr 
so will the ryzen 5 3600
2019-12-08 14:51
2019-12-08 14:53
But then he have to buy a new motherboard
2019-12-08 15:50
United Kingdom willtr 
he has to buy one anyway to get a decent upgrade
2019-12-08 15:51
and so he will be able to upgrade in the future, the upgradability for intel is awful
2019-12-08 17:56
yeah i realized that just after i wrote the comment, but unfortunately HLTV won't let me comment two times within 5 minutes for some reason.. but i changed to AMD earlier this year, and i'm happy i did :)
2019-12-08 22:58
don't buy intels without hyperthreading,lol
2019-12-08 14:36
9700k 5ghz 400-900fps on every map, im missing hyperthreading so much :/
2019-12-08 14:43
if u use it only to play csgo which runs on a potato then no wonder why u don't miss it
2019-12-08 14:44
only poor noobs buy intel without hyperthreading
2019-12-08 14:52
2019-12-08 14:52
if someone wants to buy intel without HT,he should go for ryzen,lul
2019-12-08 14:53
Hyperthreading is just a fancy name for simultaneous multi threading or SMT which almost all ryzen 3000 cpus have.
2019-12-08 16:06
HT in top intels is the reason intel has an edge over ryzen.
2019-12-08 16:06
Yeah I guess that is why Ryzen kicks intels ass in pretty much every heavily multithreaded application lol. Intel has an edge in clockspeeds. That's it.
2019-12-08 16:13
single core work also gives them an edge
2019-12-08 16:15
That's thanks to the high clock speeds. It has nothing to do with hyperthreading.
2019-12-08 16:24
Nope. It has got to do with latency between ccx:s and l-caches. The new zen2 lineup made a huge improvement on those but its still not as good as on a monolithic die cpu. But its true that ht does not make the difference, and in fact smt is a bit better.
2019-12-09 03:27
No actually single-threaded workloads run better on ryzen due to superior ipc. Turn off the integrated gpu on intel and you'll see that a 3700X kicks the shit out of the 9900K in adobe.
2019-12-09 03:20
pubg, csgo, cod, gta, fortnite, R6 are the games im playing.
2019-12-08 14:58
such demanding games except cod(if it's the new one)
2019-12-08 14:59
yes its new cod
2019-12-08 15:00
Don't buy intels in general
2019-12-08 14:43
This. Right now the only intel chips worth buying is the 9900k, and only if you want to pay the price. If not, Ryzen all the way.
2019-12-09 03:29
ryzen 5 3600 thank me later dont buy intel in 2019/2020 thank you
2019-12-08 14:43
United States ottovonlousie 
2019-12-08 15:30
2019-12-08 15:51
Brazil Aquaarius 
2019-12-08 17:06
Ryzen 5 3600 > I5-9400f Similar price, better value
2019-12-08 14:50
get a ryzen 3600, i've been researching for a month and almost done building my first pc, well, i bought most of the parts. The build: Ryzen 5 3600 MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX G. Skill Flare 2x8gb 3200mhz cl14 BeQuiet Pure Power 11 CM 500w Noctua nh u12s-se am4 Only left to buy a Samsung EVO 860 SSD (or maybe 970 evo plus) and a Phanteks P400A Digital Case i've got an old 750ti gpu and will upgrade later
2019-12-08 14:51
If you need help deciding what CPU to buy i'll suggest you watch this video:
2019-12-08 14:56
Russia NikSmoK 
Don't buy noctua men, buy scythe kotetsu mark 2. It costs only 2700 rub and it is much better choice. Also samsungs m.2 has the same tlc type memory just like cheaper analogue. I recommend intel 660p for nvme. Banger for it price. Also better buy MESH case like coolermaster mattrex 55 mesh. Wouldn't recommend bequite psu, mine is giving only 350 stable 12v.
2019-12-08 15:46
I've already got cooler and psu, as i said, i've been researching a lot, the parts i picked were recommended a lot.
2019-12-08 17:01
Russia NikSmoK 
Recommended by youtubers who got paid for it. Scythe doing the same for less price + its more silent. This PSU is good. I look at it OEM manufacturer and its FSP. I was thinking that they still uses ENC as their pure power series OEM manufacturer.
2019-12-08 17:55
Does this cooler come with thermal paste and am4 mounting kit? And a screwdriver?
2019-12-08 18:12
Russia NikSmoK 
With all but screwdriwer(you can buy xiaomi wiha for 1300 and still pay less). WIth 2011/151x/am4. Also everything is metal and has its own backplate. You just cant break it unlike plastic on am4 soket. Thermal paste is ok.
2019-12-08 18:21
Jesus after calling samsungs nvmes bad you recommend 660p LOL... 970 evo is far superior to 660p in every possible way. QCL that 660p uses is horrible with speeds, low endurance and if you do any big files you will choke the SLC cache... 970 evo/pro is prob the best nvme you can possible get.
2019-12-08 19:44
tbh if you're willing to risk it going for an sm961(OEM 960 pro)/pm981(OEM 970 evo) is the best bang/$ nvme ssds ever (tho they don't have any warranties)
2019-12-08 20:16
What? im not saying what he shud buy.. but saying 660p is better than 970 evo is just non sense...
2019-12-08 21:49
isn't MSI MPG X570 much better for ryzen 5 3600?
2019-12-08 17:23
Russia NikSmoK 
why would you need it for r3600? b450 can handle it even if overclocked.
2019-12-08 17:55
idk man, I just read about it on someones PC build description ''The X570 chipset was selected rather than the B450 chipset in order to bypass any BIOS update issues that would occur when combining a new Ryzen 3000 series (Zen 2) CPU with a B450 chipset. However, you are welcome to explore those options as well, but be forewarned that because it uses an older chipset, this motherboard may require a BIOS update before it will be compatible with the CPU. The manufacturer may have already updated the B450 BIOS before sending it to retailers, but if not, many motherboards cannot be updated without using an older CPU to do so. If the motherboard is not updated, the PC is unlikely to boot at all with the new CPU. In this case, you would need to temporarily use an older CPU to update the motherboard BIOS before using a new CPU with it. The CPUs that could do this update would be the Ryzen 1000 CPUs, Ryzen 2000 APUs, and Ryzen 2000 CPUs. If you stick with the X570 chipset on original part list provided, you will not have to deal with this process.''
2019-12-08 18:49
It's "MAX" version so it can be used out of the box. Even if it was not "MAX", it has flash bio.
2019-12-08 18:55
ah okay thx, I didn't know these details, want to build PC as well and haven't decided on the mobo yet
2019-12-08 18:57
choose wisely brother
2019-12-08 18:59
thx, I'm thinking about getting ryzen 5 3600 with RTX 2070 Super gpu + this motherboard (B450 MAX) as a core of my build
2019-12-08 19:03
I think MPG motherboards by MSI are considered one of the worst x570 boards in terms of VRM
2019-12-08 18:32
#91 you haven't experienced any issues with BIOS updates with your build? but you're right, b450 seems to be just alright and much cheaper than x570
2019-12-08 18:51
cause I don't have any ryzen cpu to update BIOS if it's required for PC to boot at all, that's why im asking bro
2019-12-08 18:54
bring ur system to a local pc store and ask if they can update ur bios 4 u (shouldn't be too hard or expansive)
2019-12-08 20:18
get Ryzen 5 3600, much better cpu
2019-12-08 15:00
African Union remiska 
unless youre getting i9 9900k intel makes absolutely no sense unless you could upgrade without changing mobo but thats not the case also you should get way more fps with that i5, i have consistent 300 on i5 6600k overclocked to 4.2 conclusion get ryzen 5 3600 (or 2600 if you want something cheaper) you will have more performance and will last you longer
2019-12-08 15:05
Seems like I have to buy new MOBO also.... worst pc ever
2019-12-08 15:14
African Union remiska 
yes, with intel you have to buy new mobo each generation and if youre already buying mobo get ryzen
2019-12-08 15:49
Any suggestion with budget mobo?
2019-12-08 15:51
msi b450 tomahawk, msi b450 gaming plus, msi b450m mortar titanium, msi b450m gaming plus etc
2019-12-08 18:59
you'll need a new motherboard m8, and also new ram, cause your current motherboard has an lga 1150 socket, only supports up to 4th gen i5 and ddr3 ram. for a full upgrade I'd get a Ryzen 5 3600, B450 motherboard, along with new ddr4 ram.
2019-12-08 15:08
Slovakia escapeiztop 
Only intel CPU currently worth buying is 9900k, get 3600 (~200€) / 3600x (~250€)
2019-12-08 15:17
It seems like i have to upgrade my MOBO anyways if i want to upgrade....
2019-12-08 15:23
Slovakia escapeiztop 
intel releases new socket every generation, thats why
2019-12-08 17:06
I have i5 9400f/gtx 1660 300-500 fps
2019-12-08 15:18
dont lie 200-
2019-12-08 15:18
not lying, cs just need a bit tweaking and its fine so nt
2019-12-08 16:36
youre not lying because youre dumb and actually thinking youre getting +300 fps all the time.
2019-12-08 17:14
2019-12-08 17:48
He is right. But as long as you have 300 is doesn’t matter
2019-12-09 03:32
haloo dolbajoba i hav zis i5 9400FUCK and +200 fps no PROBLEMO
2019-12-08 15:18
Does it drop under 200 also?
2019-12-08 15:24
i say +200 dolbajoba i think maybe cache mid 190 sometimes but whatever its a great cpu and fps is usually between 200-300
2019-12-08 15:30
Slovakia pgb1 
I have 9400f cheap and great
2019-12-08 15:24
2019-12-08 15:26
Slovakia pgb1 
Dont know o play on max detail at least 300 with rtx 2070 super
2019-12-08 16:24
9400f with a 2070s why? 😆
2019-12-08 18:56
9400f is like 9600k without oc, very good cpu
2019-12-08 20:01
You need a new motherboard aswell. Just so you know :)
2019-12-08 15:27
Ye I realized that also, fuck me
2019-12-08 15:33
Europe twitchy_ 
You need a new mobo and new ram too and maybe a new gpu if you didn't upgrade it from a long time, gpu is the one doing more work than cpu, so... You need to spend $500 at least. If you're on such limited budget, maybe an old am4 board with 3500x and some cheap/mid memories could do the thing for you.
2019-12-08 15:38
Idk I have: GTX 1050 i5-4460 H81M-K some random 8gb ram
2019-12-08 15:46
Russia NikSmoK 
sell your pc for 300$-400$. Go work and buy new one for 1k.
2019-12-08 18:02
try to get 4790k no need to change motherboard :)
2019-12-08 19:26
ehm, i dont think its good upgrade from 4460
2019-12-08 20:01
It's a great CPU, i still get 300+ fps but considering a whole PC upgrade after 10th gen release.
2019-12-08 20:10
i mean it costs 400-500 euro, its tooooo much :D
2019-12-08 20:14
Ryzen 3600 more fps and more threads
2019-12-08 15:31
Get the 9600k, its worth the extra money, trust me.
2019-12-08 15:47
intel is trash in 2019, get ryzen
2019-12-08 15:52
Ryzen 5 3600 is by far your best option. If you want to buy Intel for some reason, wait for their next gen, current one is garbage. Ofc you need a new mobo, MSI B450 Tomahawk Max is highly recommended.
2019-12-08 16:01
North America 007DBR9 
+1 2600 is a cheaper option, sub 120
2019-12-08 17:09
Russia NikSmoK 
after new intel gen come out you will tell him to wait for new AMD gen and after that again for new intel gen...
2019-12-08 18:05
United Kingdom wellhyper 
Yeah, he wants to upgrade *now* not in 2 years doofus
2019-12-08 18:43
Poland Hanse 
+1 for Ryzen and +(pos)INF for 3600/2600 but honestly B450 Tomahawk is fucked and you have to do shit ton of work to make it work properly with all these drivers etc.
2019-12-08 18:58
not on the MAX version
2019-12-08 19:20
Europe twitchy_ 
Current intel gen is better than amd current gen for videogames. But yes, 10th gen is gonna have HT in all the series, so it's worth the wait if he doesn't want ryzen or go for the 9th gen i9.
2019-12-08 21:51
You are not wrong, current gen Intel CPU's are better than AMD in gaming, but its really marginally, while AMD CPU usage is much lower. You can get stutters in 9600K while 3600 is completely fine. So we have an almost same gaming performance on both side, with AMD having lower CPU usage (=no stutter), while AMD outclasses Intel in multicore usage. And all of this for cheaper. And I wont even mention Intel's security vulnerabilities. Hopefully Intel will be able to recover from this. (I personally prefer Intel, but damn, AMD is plowing with their current gen)
2019-12-08 22:17
North America 007DBR9 
ryzen 5 2600 or 3600
2019-12-08 17:08
Imagine intel 💩💩💩💩
2019-12-08 17:10
Even I3-9100f will give you 200+ fps
2019-12-08 18:41
United Kingdom wellhyper 
just save up and get an i7 9700k or i9 9900k
2019-12-08 18:43
New Intel in feb. So he should wait for new gen if he want intel
2019-12-08 19:08
Listen I know an intel 9000 will give you a little more fps in cs go, but don't buy that buy a ryzen 3600, it truly is a much better cpu if not a couple of years from now you are gonna be in the crappy situation that you are now with the 4 core i5
2019-12-08 19:04
go for ryzen 3900X
2019-12-08 19:17
This chip is useless for almost everybody
2019-12-09 03:34
intel is better in gaming. single core performance is slightly higher then amd. many game developer optimizing their games for intel chips. amd is only good because of the price and for streaming, video editing because of the high cores. dont listen to these amd fanboys
2019-12-08 19:28
2019-12-08 20:03
you get only 100 fps with 4460? I have I5 4460, GTX 770 and 8 GB RAM ez 160-200 fps
2019-12-08 19:39
I mean I had also that fps but for last 2 weeks its been awful. Had no problems with fps. I tried that fps fix where i had to change "video" folder name and stuff. Ive tried everything expect format.
2019-12-08 20:07
Something changed on your system. Maybe a new app? Maybe apply new paste to the cpu? 4460 is still an excellent cpu which should deliver 150+ fps even on full hd.
2019-12-08 23:31
Idk I think im gonna do format and see if something changes or no
2019-12-09 03:05
imagine buying intel products in 2020 xD
2019-12-08 20:02
get i5 8400 cheap and good for csgo
2019-12-08 20:19
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Spain mokerz 
ryzen 3600
2019-12-08 21:50
+1 no frame drops if you decide to stream too
2019-12-08 22:59
Your 4460 should be giving you 200fps as it is, there's something wrong with your computer, probably on the harddrive.
2019-12-09 03:24
i have 4460 and at 5v5 it never goes below 200
2019-12-09 03:25
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