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Thorin on Jamppi
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Finland ilikecereal61 
dexerto.com/csgo/thorins-take-no-company.. Thoughts? In my opinion he's right
2019-12-08 20:11
Topics are hidden when running Sport mode.
toooo fucking long to read need tl;dr
2019-12-08 20:13
#9
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Brazil NiceBrazilian 
+1
2019-12-08 20:16
ofc he's right it's thorin he's always right all the time every time)
2019-12-08 20:15
Yes
2019-12-08 20:15
surely he couldn't have added a worse picture of him
2019-12-08 20:16
#14
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France TheIntelloBox 
True. x)
2019-12-08 20:18
#17
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Finland ilikecereal61 
incel
2019-12-08 20:21
thats what every level 10 on faceit eu looks like.
2019-12-08 20:22
#21
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Yugoslavia tomasev1c 
hltv.org/team/10304/triumph home breed American Eagles
2019-12-08 20:25
#98
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Indonesia puelod 
Lmao
2019-12-08 22:50
:D:D:D
2019-12-08 22:51
#114
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United States Russso 
all from alabama
2019-12-08 23:54
roll tide
2019-12-09 15:43
#184
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United Kingdom KainZ 
Jesus Christ
2019-12-09 14:15
LMFAO
2019-12-09 14:45
#272
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Finland Qurko 
content LUL
2019-12-10 11:06
He high
2019-12-09 12:24
#13
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France TheIntelloBox 
Can you sum up please ?
2019-12-08 20:18
pros who cheated in 1.6 and source never got VACs and in csgo didn't get vacced because new game. Jamppi cheated when he was 12 and now gets a lifetime VAC. For example, Happy got caught cheating in 1.6, but went on to win 2 majors
2019-12-08 21:50
#82
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France TheIntelloBox 
Oh yeah that's true, thanks. :)
2019-12-08 22:04
Jamppi got a VAC ban in CSGO. Snax, Happy etc. doesn't have registered VAC bans in CSGO, and therefor they are allowed to play Majors.
2019-12-09 15:17
#15
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Yugoslavia Ligm@ 
wtf is that selfie
2019-12-08 20:19
Copyright probably
2019-12-08 20:23
why is thorin still relevant
2019-12-08 20:21
Because he produces content of worth
2019-12-08 21:46
best content creator in the esports scene
2019-12-08 21:50
Why wouldnt he be?
2019-12-08 23:03
#135
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Finland Ilucs 
Mad?
2019-12-09 12:00
Because he is not scared to talk shit even tho sometimes hes wrong That is something that lacks in opinative journalism these days people are so fucking scared of say stuff that my offend other and by this, lose stuff in their careers
2019-12-09 13:54
He's relevant for the same reason you AREN'T relevant. No one else can make content like him and do what he does
2019-12-09 15:14
he's right tbf
2019-12-08 20:21
He's right. Jamppi was just twelve when he got banned six goddamn years ago. It's absolutely unreasonable to kill the career of a young talent because of a stupid mistake he made before he even hit puberty.
2019-12-08 20:28
#23
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Finland ilikecereal61 
exactly. yet it made it impossible for him to join OG
2019-12-08 20:35
#24
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Finland Karppanator 
So Jamppi was 12 when he did it.. That's lame as fuck.
2019-12-08 20:35
#32
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Nigeria FrothaJuan 
Guess what, he has to be 16 to actually buy the game
2019-12-08 20:37
#41
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Finland autisti22 
xd actually made me laugh
2019-12-08 20:47
No
2019-12-09 14:21
Valve is right, Thorin is wrong. If they lift their zero tolerance policy on cheating, it will became a shitfest. The most fair policy possible is the one already in place, which leaves no room for misjudgments, backdoor deals and interference. "A cheater is a cheater, and cheaters cannot play our tournaments". Other esports communities should follow Valve's example tbh
2019-12-08 20:35
#35
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Finland ilikecereal61 
Well, in that case it'd be a shitstorm. Valve is either forced to 1. Admit Jamppi can play and allow for possible consequences 2. Say cheating is not tolerated, thus banning multiple T1 players such as S1mple
2019-12-08 20:38
#53
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Denmark bebm 
s1mple cheated in 1.6 and wasnt vac banned on csgo 1.6 is a different game
2019-12-08 21:37
#62
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Finland ilikecereal61 
Jamppi's ban is CS:S.
2019-12-08 21:48
no its CS:GO otherwise he would be allowed to play
2019-12-08 21:52
#81
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Denmark bebm 
he was 12 in 2013, so thats a csgo ban
2019-12-08 22:03
#89
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Finland Juhousiwan 
I can not remember where i found it, but if you google it up you prob can find the account which jamppi has the vac ban on (was on a news article or smthing) and the account did not even own csgo just css and 1.6. I also think tf2 but cant remember tbh.
2019-12-08 22:18
#265
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Finland Urban_Terror 
Vac is vac
2019-12-09 20:07
umh how can they ban s1mple when they never caught him cheating? :-D
2019-12-09 01:37
I agree with the strict policy but there has to be some kind of age limit, applying it for someone who was 12 is ridiculous. Otherwise it should be expanded to 1.6 and source to ensure fairness among everyone.
2019-12-08 20:42
50% of the players i know got a vac ban at some point and ive been playing since 05
2019-12-09 12:17
If v$m was banned for cheating at the same age, jampi should be too
2019-12-09 13:59
if you read the article youd see that many pro players cheated in prior cs games but valve only cares about csgo lol like what a joke imagine banning someone for cheating in a video game when 12 this is literally the dumbest thing ive ever heard in my life
2019-12-08 20:45
You wrong, thorin right. You forgot circumstances you dummy. You should not be punished this harsh from cheating in a public server when you didnt even know you could be good in the game. Obviously if someone gets caught cheating in official match its a lifetime ban. He knows what he is getting into. Its two totally different scenarios and theres no fucking way it should be same punishment. Its the same thing if I went to jail for throwing in a yard game. This is basically what happened to jamppi. Does it sound right to you?
2019-12-08 23:14
Wrong. Bans should have a time limit just like Thorin says. S1mple was banned within different system (ESL) and was banned from their events for several years and missed chances to play majors for Flipside. Now he's matured, learned his lessons, and is the best pro player on the planet. Had he been VAC banned, there'd be no s1mple.
2019-12-08 23:59
Couldn't agree more.
2019-12-09 15:45
#27
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Nigeria FrothaJuan 
Nope playing a 17+ game or whatever in Europe, you deserve punishments for accepting the age limit and you’ll be treated like that age even if you’re younger
2019-12-08 20:41
That's not how any legal system in the world works
2019-12-08 21:45
#59
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Nigeria FrothaJuan 
Good thing Valve controls it’s own pro scene, no legal system can say he should not be banned
2019-12-08 21:47
No, bad thing Valve has an unreasonable punishment system
2019-12-08 21:47
Tbh this far it has been really bad. You need to understand circumstances. Jamppi was cheating in public server at 12yo. Other pros have been caught cheating even in semi official matches in previous versions, yet they can still play. They were cheating with the aim to get higher in the scene. Jamppi probably didnt even know it existed. Its the same thing if I got 2 years prison time for throwing in a yard game. This is basically what happened to jamppi. Does it sound right to you..?
2019-12-08 23:21
yes it does now stop bitching
2019-12-09 15:46
Flag checks out, but I was actually asking civilized people.
2019-12-09 15:59
civilized people who cheat? hmmm funny
2019-12-09 16:00
#29
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Finland Tusku 
actually read it, gotta feel bad for the jamppies of the word, (even i have vac ban bcus we thought trolling and throwing games in silver would be more fun with wallhacks)
2019-12-08 20:36
Jamppi alt spotted
2019-12-08 20:38
#34
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Finland Tusku 
you cant prove anything
2019-12-08 20:38
You=Tusku Jamppi=From Turku nt
2019-12-08 20:39
#40
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Finland Tusku 
nt but my navi flair confirms im not from turku since that city lost its status because of russians thinking it was too close to sweden
2019-12-08 20:46
HAHAHA I actually laughed
2019-12-08 20:43
#267
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Finland Tusku 
well it is pretty funny in hindsight
2019-12-09 22:25
ew cheater
2019-12-09 16:11
#266
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Finland Tusku 
yup, cheating is the offense here
2019-12-09 22:25
thorin never wrong
2019-12-08 20:37
#42
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Finland autisti22 
tl;dr pls
2019-12-08 20:47
#49
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Finland ilikecereal61 
it's a good read tho
2019-12-08 21:05
I didnt read most of it, just skimmed through, but he is probably right about the points he makes. It is not reasonable for Valve to be this harsh.
2019-12-08 20:37
#43
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Finland autisti22 
can some1 tl;dr
2019-12-08 20:47
Jamppi made a mistake when he was 12 years old and he shouldn't be punished for it today. Lots of pros did stupid shit or got bans in their teen years but were able to have great careers, so it's unfair to Jamppi that he's getting punished for something he did when he was a stupid 12 year old.
2019-12-08 20:50
#46
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Finland autisti22 
thorin always right, if mantuu shit +jamppi. nobs dont forget times when there wasnt much cheaters in csgo cuz cost 15e
2019-12-08 20:51
#48
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Finland ilikecereal61 
jamppi > mantuu so far. we'll see i guess
2019-12-08 21:00
#52
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Finland autisti22 
i bet u never watched a single match of mantuu
2019-12-08 21:32
#63
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Finland ilikecereal61 
I infact have. Sure, nothing away from him, he:s insane. Just not main awping, which was OG's priority.
2019-12-08 21:49
Thats not the whole point. Its also circumstances. Jamppi cheated in public server which is not relevant at all. Some pros got caught cheating in the competitive scene and yet are still able to play.
2019-12-08 23:25
I don't understand why are you guys complaining that much about jamppi, it's literally the same case as V$M. If one was banned the other should be too, or valve is being unfair.
2019-12-09 14:02
Who? Never even heard of V$M, thats probably why. If its the same case then yes, obviously unban both. E: LMAO that guy is 22 and got VAC'd a year ago playing competitively. Nothing unclear here, stay banned. According to liquipedia
2019-12-09 14:46
V$M had an vac'd account when he was 14 but valve banned him last year, when he was on the aim of MiBR for being such an great talent.
2019-12-09 15:18
Ok, in that case its fucked up and he shouldnt be banned
2019-12-09 15:41
#45
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Other PekkaMarkkula 
Jamppi snus much?
2019-12-08 20:50
#47
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Finland autisti22 
i can confirm i have been dealing with him, uses R42 and Captain Melon
2019-12-08 20:52
what a pussy
2019-12-08 23:54
#117
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Finland autisti22 
yes i recommended dens to focus but he refused
2019-12-08 23:56
should switch to nicotine pills while he is still young, helps focus the same and could use some vitamin snoos which is healthy as a placebo snoos. His teeth could fall out if he continue too long
2019-12-09 15:21
#221
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Finland autisti22 
ok terkkari
2019-12-09 15:37
Well maybe he could use snoos his playing career but I used for few years. Lös first and then just portions like dens, and one of my teeth would fall off if I continued to use. Not to mention the cancer part but it's not really issue if you are young and fine condition and not bad luck.
2019-12-09 15:41
Some leftist cucks told to not jump in a well, but Im not leftist so I jumped RIP
2019-12-09 15:42
#51
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Other khorkalba 
So Thorin thinks a convicted cheater should get another chance just because they were young and stupid at the time, yet he's quite happy to constantly take swipes at one of the all-time greats (Flusha) and downplay their achievements based on the flimsy assumption that they cheated? Seems a bit unreasonable.
2019-12-08 21:09
No that's not what's going on. He is saying Flusha did cheat WHILE achieving his past achievements and he is saying that Jamppi cheated as a 12 year old which shouldn't punish him for his entire career
2019-12-08 21:43
#121
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Other khorkalba 
There is no proof that Flusha ever cheated. There is hard evidence that Jamppi cheated. Age is therefore irrelevant. Jamppi is more guilty than Flusha and should therefore receive more scorn from people like Thorin.
2019-12-09 00:19
It's pretty much an open secret that Flusha cheated back in the days, believe what you want but there is enough evidence out there to form the opinion that he cheated Jamppi was 12 years old when that happened, he was not at all developed in his decision making and sense of wrong and right
2019-12-09 12:25
#182
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Poland Lukovsky 
Enough evidence? Only for basement dwelling conspiracy theorists with tin foil hats
2019-12-09 14:14
Nah mate
2019-12-09 15:08
#195
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Poland Lukovsky 
Prove it then, you're gonna shake the whole scene
2019-12-09 15:09
The evidence is out there. What you make from it is on you, we can have different opinions on this
2019-12-09 15:09
#199
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Poland Lukovsky 
I haven't seen any. Could you please point it out for me? I'm gonna send it to valve and become the hero we all need
2019-12-09 15:11
Just google it
2019-12-09 15:13
#205
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Poland Lukovsky 
Like I thought, you have 0 evidence.
2019-12-09 15:14
That's an odd thing to answer when I told you to google it but oke, let's ban a 12 year old for life
2019-12-09 15:15
#212
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Poland Lukovsky 
Well, can't argue with 'google it' LMAO another witch hunter with zero evidence and I'm not sure what jampi has to do with flusha here
2019-12-09 15:19
You jumped into a discussion and don't even know what it's about?
2019-12-09 15:21
#216
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Poland Lukovsky 
If you haven't noticed I only talked about flusha here. But I agree, jampi shouldn't be banned for life for something he did when he was 12 yo. Although I believe there's 0 hope for him, valve can't really make a precedence because it would shake the whole scene. And coming back to flusha, I actually meant it when I asked for evidence because I think I've seen most of the 'hax clips' and didn't find any real evidence of him cheating. That's why I was wondering what can you show me but if 'google it' is your only evidence then we can leave it here.
2019-12-09 15:26
I never said there was hard evidence to convict him 100%. If there was,he'd already be gone. But I believe there is enough evidence out there to form the opinion he cheated back in the days. You can disagree if you don't think he was cheating and that's okay. But this whole conversation was about how Thorin treats Flusha "worse" than Jamppi
2019-12-09 15:32
Don't argue with stupid...you will never win
2019-12-09 16:26
absolute moron. Flusha was cheating when he was 18+. Jamppi is 12. How many moral highground morons are on this site with their shitty gotchas
2019-12-08 21:53
Its not just the age its the circumstances, how dumb are you all?
2019-12-08 23:30
Flusha actually cheated in tier 1 competitive scene earning shitloads of money. How the fuck is that comparable to cheating in random meaningless online matches that have nothing to do with competition?
2019-12-08 23:29
#122
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Other khorkalba 
Prove that Flusha cheated. You can't. I can prove that Jamppi cheated, because he got caught. Flusha only got "caught" by retarded Gold Nova noobs on reddit.
2019-12-09 00:20
Everyone decent in this game knows flusha cheated at a time. But thats not even the point. Point is, cheating in competitive scene and cheating in random matches is not comparable, and should not have the same punishments.
2019-12-09 01:06
then fucking prove flusha cheated, if you can't prove then it didn't happen, that's how it works with valve, it ain't gonna change, crying won't help it
2019-12-09 15:50
Thats still not the point. Why khorkalba brought it up in the first place doesnt really make sense.
2019-12-09 16:00
#183
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Poland Lukovsky 
+69
2019-12-09 14:15
Show me where he downplayed flusha's achievments please
2019-12-09 16:07
He right
2019-12-08 21:41
"All bans not equal" They are equal cuz all with vac bans get banned Thorin defend cheater nowadays how low has he become?
2019-12-08 21:45
You need help asap. I don't know why you think a 12yo is the same as a 20yo.
2019-12-08 21:54
I never mention the age. Vac ban = lifetime Valve ban No matter who it is. More eqaulity isnt possible.
2019-12-08 21:55
interesting so you think a 12yo has the same mental capacity as a 20 yo
2019-12-08 22:40
doesnt matter.
2019-12-09 11:56
So getting imprisoned for throwing a yard game is equal to getting imprisoned for throwing a match in bundesliga? Thats basically what you're telling me right now.
2019-12-08 23:34
It is the same wrong thing. Also if you throw official game you can get a lifetime ban independent from which league you did it. MM is an official match for Valve if you wanna stay with this comparison. And Valve can watch all matches even the yard game the UEFA/FIFA can't do that.
2019-12-09 11:59
MM is in no way official lmao.
2019-12-09 13:44
It is official mm by valve. Valve tries to provide fair competition circumstances so it is a official match for valve. Otherwise they would only provide public server with no rules.
2019-12-09 15:15
VAC is on every server to prevent the game from being a cheat fest but its not comparable to the situation. The punishment you get is byebye account, create a new one. Its not specified from where you get the ban. Cheating in deathmatch or something surely shouldnt result in you being forbidden to compete for life.
2019-12-09 15:38
#60
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Sweden flippig 
stopped reading at thorin
2019-12-08 21:47
#68
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Spain akproxx 
ban at 12 and fucked up at 18? 0 sense
2019-12-08 21:52
if this fucking 12-year-old kid ruined one MM experience of other players he can go to hell in this game. If you cheat you suck and destroy other players believe in fair play. That is why Valve punishes them so hard. They can be lucky that Valve isnt like PUBG and charge 14 years old kids cuz of ccheating.
2019-12-08 21:54
#74
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Spain akproxx 
0/8 bait
2019-12-08 21:56
oh you are one of these guys that defend cheaters. You are probably a cheater too. Pathetic
2019-12-08 21:57
#77
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Spain akproxx 
-100/8
2019-12-08 21:57
obv +200IQ too high for you.
2019-12-08 21:58
#88
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United Kingdom aight_dontbet 
shut up slave.
2019-12-08 22:18
come on prinz andrew be nice
2019-12-09 11:55
says the s1mple fan lmao
2019-12-08 22:43
I don't defned him about this topic. But he has no vac ban. So
2019-12-09 11:55
most stupid logic ever
2019-12-09 13:51
Nope valve says I am right your are obv wrong
2019-12-09 15:08
giving examples of people getting banned on random platforms or cheating in different games dream3r cheated in csgo = banned jamppi cheated in csgo = banned
2019-12-08 21:53
#75
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Spain akproxx 
s1mple cheated in csgo = no banned
2019-12-08 21:57
no vac ban. Valve alone decides how they handle bans on their platforms. Like ESL or Faceit do on theirs. Nobody says Jamppi can't play he only can't play majors. S1mple wasnt allowed to play any ESL event.
2019-12-08 22:00
Your stance is "cheaters can burn in hell", but somehow this doesn't apply to s1mple? Just because VAC was not involved?
2019-12-08 22:06
because ESL bans were also manual = s1mple ban could be just jealous admin cuz s1mple talented
2019-12-08 22:35
Kappa
2019-12-08 22:48
No, ESL Wire.
2019-12-08 23:37
I said cheaters deserve what they get. Also as a publisher you have to do other politics as a league. Cuz if you make it likes ESL 2 years ban you allow cheaters to cheat cuz what are 2 years?? Anyone who says Valve should do it like ESL don't love the game.
2019-12-09 12:06
If Jamppi deserves lifetime ban for cheating as a 12 y.o. kid, then surely s1mple would deserve it too, no? Yes or no?
2019-12-09 12:33
S1mple as well. I am no fan of esl 2 year bans. But S1mple has no vac ban and everyone make rules for their own. S1mple became never so good or big when he got a lifetime ban and never be the goat. So your question is irrelevant for this topic cuz we wouldn't talk about him.
2019-12-09 15:20
tbh he deserves a second chance but on the other hand cheating should not be forgiven
2019-12-08 21:59
It should when its just some random meaningless match that has nothing to do with competition and the player doesnt have any aims to achieve anything. Someone cheating in the competitive scene is 100% different and it should be punished with lifetime bans because they know what they're getting into, and it has financial effects.
2019-12-08 23:41
#139
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Finland Autisthicc 
he ruined someones game by cheating and got banned, deserved.
2019-12-09 12:09
Well boohoo, someones matchmaking game or deathmatch got ruined. Must be worth destroying kids future.
2019-12-09 13:46
#164
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Finland Autisthicc 
cheating is cheating, vac bans are permanent. people can cry all they want, nothing is going to change.
2019-12-09 13:47
Ofc they are and should be. But you see VAC on jamppis current account?
2019-12-09 14:12
#185
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Poland Lukovsky 
that's a bit contradictory, don't you think? You either give second chance to everyone or to no one
2019-12-09 14:16
#83
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Russia SW@G 
TLDR?
2019-12-08 22:04
He's right.
2019-12-08 22:07
tl;dr: Buhooo the poor cheaters!!! What thorin doesn't take into account is that Valve is a Game company first and foremost. Their priority is their game not some random kid who got caught cheating. I also think it would send the wrong fucking message if you said "well a little bit of cheating is ok as long as you stop once you go pro". No. You cheat? And Valve can prove it? Valve wants nothing to do with you. Byebye do something else. Some great talent can't go pro because of that? Collateral damage. Valve is saying: We don't like cheaters, get fucked. I completely agree with that message.
2019-12-08 22:18
#91
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Finland ilikecereal61 
Sure, I get this. The weird part was that the ban is on an account that doesn't own CS:GO. Just 1.6, Source and TF2. CS:GO ban? Sure, I'd get that. Source ban? Man that's kinda fucked up
2019-12-08 22:32
How would you know? As far as I know Valve hasn't even made a statement on the matter.
2019-12-08 22:45
Kinda has no logic. People that cheat casually can just keep making new accounts and keep cheating. It doesnt send a wrong message when its 2 different things. Getting caught cheating in competitive scene you will get lifetime ban from competition. Getting caught cheating in public servers gets your acc banned. Its different circumstances. Jamppi was banned casually cheating in meaningless server ages ago. Yet he's not allowed to compete. Yet pros cheating in competitive scene in previous versions can still compete. Why? Thats way more severe offense.
2019-12-08 23:54
How do you know he isn't allowed? Valve made zero statements. Only OG decided to stay away from him and if you know Notail (founder of OG) you know that he wants fair play and that he has some values for himself and clan.
2019-12-09 12:09
Optic Gaming and clean? they had konfig on the team ffs.
2019-12-09 12:23
OG is OG not optic gaming lul
2019-12-09 15:09
who the fuck is OG then
2019-12-09 15:10
Double Ti winner team OG is OG that is how the Clan is named. Omg
2019-12-09 15:13
Theres no other reason OG wouldnt have picked him. They backed off because they got to know he wouldnt be able to play valve events so essentially a worthless player for top team.
2019-12-09 13:51
So you know they don't take him cuz MAYBE valve don't allow him on major. You know that not the player itself decides it And you know OG didn't do it cuz they don't wanna have cheaters in their team. So you are the ceo of OG
2019-12-09 15:11
Theres no other reason why they wouldnt have picked him lol. They must have checked it out from valve.
2019-12-09 15:33
except valve is only saying that to some cheaters and letting the other 99% plug in usb drives on stage
2019-12-09 12:24
I don't believe people who cheated at such a young age should prevented from going pro. You shouldn't be permanently accountable for something you did when you were 12.
2019-12-09 15:59
Thorin : Shittiest logics with 1 min of content n 29 min of trash.
2019-12-08 22:25
He's right. Same goes for Texta and the really young Brazilian player that has a VAC. They should all be allowed to compete after a few years. It's bullshit to ban 12 year olds for life, they were just kids
2019-12-08 22:36
#99
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Germany PeKay 
Valve is a Garbage Company just Blizzard is worse Riot Tencent Are all above them and will be in the future
2019-12-08 22:51
please no, riot is even worse at managing games and tencent is the shadiest and trashiest game company in the world, even worse than ea
2019-12-09 01:32
#129
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Germany PeKay 
But they get their shit done right idc how Shady they are there Infrastractur is working
2019-12-09 01:34
cheating kids are still cheaters, why should they get treated any different than other cheater? its irrelevant how old they are. if the fact is they cheat, then they get banned.
2019-12-09 12:22
okay, is it fair for a 12 year old to get life time sentence in prison from stealing candy from a candy shop?
2019-12-09 16:12
first off getting banned from going pro in 1 shooter doesnt equate to a prison sentence at all. i dont think you appreciate how serious prison is. besides that, no, of course you dont send a 12yo to prison. but if a 12yo stole candy from a shop, it might be a good reason for the shop owner to choose not to give that kid a job in his candy store 6 years later when there are a hundred other kids in the same town who want to work there and never stole any candy from this candy shop owner. now imagine candy is winning cs games and valve is the shop owner.
2019-12-10 11:05
#104
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Europe lalt 
Valve's double standards.. as long as you dont get caught before your first major, you are free. AFAIK, there are plenty of current pros who has VAC-banned alts but Valve doesnt ban them because they managed to play on the majors before they were caught.
2019-12-08 23:22
#119
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Belarus Ruble 
+1 you need pro player status and then valve protects you basic corruption :) unlucky for jamppi that he plays in shit tier4 team rip career
2019-12-09 00:00
thats not a reason to unban this kid, its a reason to ban everyone else as well
2019-12-09 12:20
who cares about thorin? 0 impact for scene and only talking shit he know zero about cs.
2019-12-08 23:40
#112
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United States jay_320 
I have been saying this for months and people on HLTV have essentially called me dumb for having the same opinion. I don't take it personally and I'm not sure there is a perfect solution but the idea you can be banned as a child for life is stupid. Real life doesn't have punishments that harsh for children. And a 16 or 17 year old is a child.
2019-12-08 23:42
Its not just the age but circumstances. Ofc you should be banned if you're caught cheating in competitive scene. Then you know what you're getting into. But being banned like this when you got vac'd years ago cheating in random meaningless match is not right. The VAC was the appropriate punishment for that action, and you served your punishment. They cant just punish you more afterwards.
2019-12-09 00:00
#123
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United States jay_320 
Absolutely. If you are under 18 there should be some sort of second chance regardless. People will call even this an arbitrary age but it's not. Valve is an American company and you become an adult in the US at 18. The only circumstance I can really think of otherwise is if you caught a guy like Obo or Brollan cheating in the pro scene under 18. I think something like a 5 year ban would be appropriate. You'd have a long long time to think about it. Likely would be the end of your career even but a guy like Swag for example could have eventually found his way back. The situation with Jammpi with him literally being 12 when the ban happened (and honestly he probably was cheating he was fucking 12) is even worse then the IBP situation in terms of optics for Valve. Just makes them look cruel, thoughtless and arbitrary.
2019-12-09 00:34
But players that are already pros should face a hard punishment no matter the age, because they sure as hell know what they're doing, and they're actually causing harm to other than just the people in the server. For underage pros maybe 5 years could be sufficient, in many cases its the end for their careers anyway. For adults it should be a straight lifetime ban no question about it.
2019-12-09 01:11
#126
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United States jay_320 
+1
2019-12-09 01:22
underage kids aimbotting their way to the top in faceit are also causing harm to legit players example: ropz also, think about the message this sends to kids: its okay to cheat and cause people harm as long as youre not 18 and all your sins will be forgiven banned4laif only solution
2019-12-09 12:19
No. They will just keep creating new accounts atleast now when the game is free lmao. They know its wrong but theres nothing more you can do about it than a VAC. People actually playing competitively trying to achieve something need different punishments.
2019-12-09 13:55
they can keep cheating on new accounts in matchmaking but cant play in tournaments. all current pro players who have previous vac bans should be perma banned as well. crime shouldnt pay. they can go play mm with kqly
2019-12-09 13:57
Someones salty. No need to ban kids from competition that cheated in meaningless public shit 6 years ago.
2019-12-09 14:40
100% agree, free v$m and jamppi ffs
2019-12-09 01:30
Cool article, well written
2019-12-09 12:05
yeah, people telling they need a tldr are dumb
2019-12-09 14:42
#138
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Finland Autisthicc 
no and no Vac bans are permanent and can't be lifted unless it is a false vac ban, which in this case it is not. deserved stupid cheating kid, i had enough of them in my games
2019-12-09 12:07
#142
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Europe JuliusCaesar 
TLDR, I am at work so don't have time to read all of it. But Imo people who were vac banned when they were 12 yo shouldn't be vac banned now. Lets face it, people are "kids" till age 18. I am 28 and when I think about things I did when I was 18 I feel dumb.
2019-12-09 12:15
if youre 28 now, you also know that you already knew cheating in games is wrong, when you were 12 being a kid is a poor excuse for being a shithead.
2019-12-09 12:17
no but deserves second chance, he cheated in MM as a kid, not competitively. It's unfair imo that this incident would make this potential furute world beater, play in tier 3 rest of his career, I mean he could play 10 years at tier 1 and cheating in MM as a 12 year old shouldn't stand in the way for that. People mature at different ages and 12 is def still a kid or early teen, which can make decision making even worse or more impulsive. Not to mention if he had friends who cheated group pressure might have driven him in to it.
2019-12-09 15:33
#259
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Europe JuliusCaesar 
Exactly, +1 amigo. Also read #258, I think You'll agree with me.
2019-12-09 16:59
#258
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Europe JuliusCaesar 
I agree but lets face it - kids will be kids and as a kid You dont know that one day You will be good enough to be pro. Anyway, what 12yo takes games seriously? None. 12yo kids just do their homework and go play football. At least thats what I did when I was 12. The only serious thing for me was having fun and doing homework as fast as possible so I could play football with friends.
2019-12-09 16:58
if you played games with other kids then you already knew cheating is wrong at age 12
2019-12-10 11:03
It doesn't matter. I did plenty stupid shit as a 12 year old, I did understand it was wrong but as a kid ,you don't really understand the consequences
2019-12-10 11:51
#275
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Europe JuliusCaesar 
After one sentence I can already tell that You have no education in psychology or infact any knowledge about humans and how their perception changes with age. Kids want to be football players, fire fighters, police officers, soldiers because it looks like fun for them. Then They grow up and reality hits them hard and They realize its not fun when You enter a building in fire, or get shot. #274 is smart and he gets it. Kids know right and wrong but They don't really understand the consequences. It is different to know about consequences and understanding them. - this is the point when You are almost an adult.
2019-12-10 12:17
well i was never like that as a kid. adults always asked "what do you want to be" and i told them: "i dont know, im a kid" that attitude of having to pick something out of the list of: astronait, firefighters, police officer, pilot, etc, is stupid. kids at age 12 arent that stupid anymore. maybe at age 5 or 6 they are. at age 12, you should already understand that not everyone can be an astronaut. you pick something attainable to work towards, for example taking music lessons to become really good at playing the violin. or playing competitive first person shooters for hours every day to make a name for yourself. or, like me, figuring out how computers work. and when you do this, at that age, you already understand that this could potentially be the start of your career for the rest of your life, so you try not to fuck it up. there are 12 year olds out there who are better at math than university graduates. there are 12 year old kids who beat players with 10 years of experience at starcraft 2. 12 year old kids are fucking smart. so, if at 12 years old, a kid chooses to cheat at counter strike instead of doing something useful and fair with his life, he should be punished for it. so that other 12 year olds see that kid, realize that they dont want to be like that fucker, and dont cheat at counter strike. if you start unbanning ppl at 18 who cheated at 12, the next day faceit leagues will literally be 100% blatantly aimbotting 12 year olds. because they will understand that they can get away with it. because 12 year olds are fucking smart. you were that smart too. you just didnt do anything with it.
2019-12-10 13:47
you dont need to be an adult to understand the consequences of an action. the consequences just have to be applied immediately and without hesitation whenever a child takes a wrong action that harms others. immediate correction. carrot and stick. pavlov response. its simple. by unbanning people who cheated as kids, youre saying its okay to cheat, to the next generation of kids. thats a bad message. that makes it complicated. if cheating always leads to lifelong ban, its simple to understand for everyone. no one can claim to be so stupid to not understand that rule. its fair and simple and effective. the minimum amount of people are harmed. and the ones that are harmed, are the ones who caused the problem. perfect solution. it cant get any better.
2019-12-10 13:46
#278
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Europe JuliusCaesar 
As I said before, You have no idea about psychology of kids or human beeings and You have no idea how perception is shaped by closest environment as friends, family, financial status or even things like beeing bullied in school etc. I am not protecting cheaters and I never will. For example - I think that people who play games for a living and They cheat, They should face jail time, just like other criminals. I'm not saying 10 years or whatever but They should be punished by law in someway. You just need to understand that we're not born equal and we are will never be equal. Not as a kids and not as an adults. For example me and You (as I can see from Your answers) we were shaped for "adults" waaay faster than our friends from school. SInce I can remember I was thinking about "what if I do this, whats next, what then, should I do this?" etc. I was questioning everything and I always tried to understand everything. But as I said, we are not equal. I was always very "assertive" (i think this is the right word). If I didn't wanted to do something then I didn't do it. But most kids are not like that. They will see their friends cheating in internet cafe and having fun and They will do the same, just to have fun. At this moment they are not thinking about beeing pro player. They are just doing something that seems fun to them and their friends. So I think banning people for life because They were cheating when They were 12yo is dumb as fvck. I could explain to You kids psycholgy or how most kids think and how their perception works for hours. I just know how these things work and I will never agree with this kind of ban. I think that punishment for adults who cheated or were part of match fixing should be waaaaay harder.
2019-12-10 14:17
>As I said before, You have no idea about psychology of kids or human beeings and You have no idea how perception is shaped by closest environment as friends, family, financial status or even things like beeing bullied in school etc. i have been bullied. my parents have been poor at times. i never felt the need to cheat in video games because of that. those things have 0 to do with each other. >I am not protecting cheaters and I never will. For example - I think that people who play games for a living and They cheat, They should face jail time except when they are 12, then you do protect them. the little shits. >You just need to understand that we're not born equal and we are will never be equal. exactly, thats why we need fair rules to organize a society. like, dont cheat people. treat them the way you would want others to treat you. >most kids are not like that. They will see their friends cheating in internet cafe and having fun and They will do the same, just to have fun. At this moment they are not thinking about beeing pro player. They are just doing something that seems fun to them and their friends. yes, and thats why those kids should be punished, so that the next generation of kids will know that if they cheat "for fun"they will get banned for life, and therefore they will know that cheating is bad and they shouldnt do it. see how that works? actions need to have consequences. if there are no consequences, then everyone can do whatever the fuck they want and there are no rules. cheating would be allowed for kids because you read in a book somewhere that they cant understand that its bad. but they can. most kids understand that cheating is bad. the minority that doesnt, should get banned. >I could explain to You kids psycholgy or how most kids think and how their perception works for hours. yes and i wouldnt care. i was also once a kid. so, you dont have to tell me what its like. i personally experienced it. when i started playing cod, there were already tons of cheaters. and those fucking annoyed me. so, i didnt do it. any kid, who cant make that reasoning, doesnt deserve to play fps games professionally. nothing is lost by removing them and their shit attitude. permanently.
2019-12-10 14:28
> I think that punishment for adults who cheated or were part of match fixing should be waaaaay harder. then you raise an unanswerable question: exactly at what point, do kids become away enough of their actions, that they deserve to be punished equally as an adult? if a kid cheats at 15 instead of 12, should he still get reduced punishment? and what if they do it at 16 or 17. what if they do it the day before they turn 18? its impossible to solve. the only fair solution is to ban all cheaters.
2019-12-10 14:27
if you dont think its good to teach kids what is right and wrong at age 12, then how do you expect them to know it at age 18?
2019-12-10 14:28
#282
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Europe JuliusCaesar 
Jesus, You really have no idea about psychology. Like literally zero, none. Do You understand that some people were bullied and They grow up because of it and other will close themselves? Do You realize that some people are poor and this thing motivates them to work harder and others just give up? Do You realize that kids who lose their parents at age of 10 are more likely to be broken for life and people who lose their parents at age of 20 are kinda selftaught about life and its easier for them? They will be hurt but not completly broken. For kids every little thing is different. I have a female friend who was molested when she was young and right now she has 2 kids and amazing husband. She's successful person in real life. I also know a woman (she's not my friend) who was molested at age of 16. She's 35 years old now, no husband, no kids and she doesn't give a fvck about anything in life. Both of those girls were from normal family. Loving father and mother. One was 13 years old and other one was almost 17. One is living great life with bad memories and second is living shitty life with bad memories. You have no idea how people develop with age. Some do it faster, others need more time. For example I was able to walk when I was 5 months old. When I was 7 months old I was running around the house like crazy without a single fall and my brother needed 12 months for his first step. "if you dont think its good to teach kids what is right and wrong at age 12, then how do you expect them to know it at age 18?" - as I said, we are not equal. Some kids have great friends and parents and They are learning everything from them and at school. Others doesn't and They learn almost everything by themselves. Seriously dude, I understand that You don't know shit about human brain, psychology and things that create perception about life and other stuff. Maybe You're into math, chemistry and stuff like that and You're great at it while I suck at it. I have no idea what are You doing in life but I am 100% sure that You're better at it than I would be. But You're not better about understanding psychology so please, do the things that You're good at because You suck about "beeing smartest guy on forum". You're not the smartest guy in this topic, thats for sure. EDIT: first girl (my friend) was molested by close family member for 2 years. second was molested by a guy she didn't even knew that much. Somehow the first one didn't lose trust in human beeing or FAMILY VALUES and she has great family. She remembers everything about that time and still managed to pull herself together, even tho she was alot younger than other girl. Every1 is different and every1 react or learn about some things diffrently. Edit 2: There is also one more important thing. Most kids know right and wrong in real life like beeing thief is bad and that You can't bully other people. But for kids video games are just fun, are just video games. This is not real life for them. They don't understand this. I think that next generation will understand this because PRO-GAMING will be a real job in their eyes. When I was 12 or 14 yo, PRO-GAMING was just a myth or really bad job with really bad money.
2019-12-10 15:47
>Do You understand that some people were bullied and They grow up because of it and other will close themselves? which part of "i was bullied" do you not understand? being bullied is not an excuse for cheating. being 12 is not an excuse. the only reason to do it is being a disrespectful little shithead who should be punished. >Do You realize that some people are poor and this thing motivates them to work harder and others just give up? yes, then the people who work hard get paid and the ones who dont, dont. actions have consequences. >Do You realize that kids who lose their parents at age of 10 are more likely to be broken for life and people who lose their parents at age of 20 are kinda selftaught about life and its easier for them? They will be hurt but not completly broken. still no excuse to make other people feel bad by cheating in video games. cheer them up instead. > For kids every little thing is different. I have a female friend who was molested when she was young and right now she has 2 kids and amazing husband. She's successful person in real life. I also know a woman (she's not my friend) who was molested at age of 16. She's 35 years old now, no husband, no kids and she doesn't give a fvck about anything in life. Both of those girls were from normal family. Loving father and mother. One was 13 years old and other one was almost 17. One is living great life with bad memories and second is living shitty life with bad memories. You have no idea how people develop with age. Some do it faster, others need more time. what im saying has LITERALLY NOTHING to do with development. it has to do with actions and consequences. >You have no idea how people develop with age. Some do it faster, others need more time. EXACTLY. THIS IS WHY THE ONLY FAIR SOLUTION IS TO BAN CHEATERS REGARDLESS OF THEIR AGE. BECAUSE PEOPLE DONT DEVELOP THE SAME, SO ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO DETERMINE WHETHER A CHILD WAS INCAPABLE OF OVERSEEING THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS. THEREFORE IF THEY CHOOSE THE WRONG ACTIONS, THEY SHOULD ALL BE PUNISHED EQUALLY. >For example I was able to walk when I was 5 months old. When I was 7 months old I was running around the house like crazy without a single fall and my brother needed 12 months for his first step. I DONT CARE >- as I said, we are not equal. Some kids have great friends and parents and They are learning everything from them and at school. Others doesn't and They learn almost everything by themselves. THIS IS WHY ACTIONS SHOULD HAVE CONSEQUENCES. SO EVEN KIDS WITH SHIT PARENTS CAN LEARN WHAT IS RIGHT AND WRONG. BY GETTING THE SHIT BEATEN OF THEM BY STRANGERS, FOR EXAMPLE. youre such a fucking snowflake. >Seriously dude, I understand that You don't know shit about human brain, psychology and things that create perception about life and other stuff. i seem to know a lot more about the human brain than you. such as that 12 year old kids are fucking devious. you may be educated in psychology. i am a neural network engineer. i study the science behind the human brain. you study some bullshit that some guy made up in the 1960s and then falsified a trial that no one can reproduce. 2/3 of all papers in psychology and sociology are complete bullshit. to understand the human brain, you need to understand math, chemistry and stuff like that. because thats what brains are made of. there is nothing else. your education is worthless.
2019-12-10 15:56
#287
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Europe JuliusCaesar 
Sure buddy, psychology is worthless and depression is fake. The diffrence between us is that I respect Your work and I talk about about chemistry of the brain or how neutrons work in human brain because I don't know shit about it. The same way I won't talk about math, chemistry in general or what does green button in a plane do. I don't talk about things that I don't understand but I would listen about those things because I love to know things that intrest me. So yeah, it seems like You know how human brain works if we talk about chemistry, I know how it works if we talk about thinking. Seems like my education is more important in this topic. You may have an opinion about it, thats for sure but still it doesn't change the fact that You dont know sh!t about 12yo cheaters or how their brain worked back then and why They did those things. Have a nice day.
2019-12-10 16:05
depression is very real. none of you fuckers could ever help me with it. >The diffrence between us is that I respect Your work and I talk about about chemistry of the brain or how neutrons work in human brain because I don't know shit about it. the difference is that my work is based on science and commands respect whereas your work is not scientific and does not command respect. i dont respect it. and i do know shit about it. i spent enough time in psychologists offices. i can dream up your fucking questionnaires. i can understand your job because its simple and contains loads of bullshit and placebo effect and platitudes. you cant understand my job because it requires knowledge of math and programming, that you dont have, because youre not that fucking smart, because if you were smart, you wouldnt have become a fucking psychologist and would have chosen a real job instead. your education consisted of learning a bunch of 70 year old research, of which 70% is completely made up bullshit that cannot be reproduced. it is not important in any topic. because its untrue.
2019-12-10 16:13
#294
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Europe JuliusCaesar 
Listen, bacause You've met bad psychologists in Your life it doesn't mean that its worthless. They were worthless, thats it. The study is real, good psychologists help alot of people and I believe thats important work because I've seen results with my own eyes. I just understand that I can't fully blame 12 yo kid for cheating. FULLY is the main word here. My problem is that I understand psychology but I also look at other factors that shaped psychology of a kid. Factors like parenting, surroundings etc. Your problem is that You met bad psychologist and You had to work with life by yourself and it worked out well as You say. The thing is that You're still focused about one thing and one thing only which has nothing to do with psychology. You just really believe that You're right and I am wrong while I think that both of us might be kinda right. I won't talk about my life as a kid but trust me, it wasn't any easier than Yours, not a bit. The thing is that I wanted to know why some psychologists FUCKIN SUCK AT THEIR WORK and You just assumed that study behind their work is shit. I won't talk anymore about it because its leading nowhere. I'd rather talk about it IRL with a glass of beer. Talking about this sort of stuff is pointless in internet and we're both wasting our time so once again, have a nice day. And I stopped working in psychology some time ago because I couldn't find the way to leave my work at work. I've heard stories that I couldn't stop thinking about and it was messing with me and my personal life. Its good that I studied 2 things and I found work that gives me alot of fun and its still challenging as f#ck and I don't think about it at home.
2019-12-10 16:26
theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/27/stud.. no. its just quatsch. all made up bullshit. its like a religion.
2019-12-10 16:27
>I just understand that I can't fully blame 12 yo kid for cheating. FULLY is the main word here. you dont have to blame someone 100% to punish them for their insolent behaviour. you just have to know that the punishment will teach them to behave better.
2019-12-10 16:28
>My problem is that I understand psychology but I also look at other factors that shaped psychology of a kid. Factors like parenting, surroundings etc. Your problem is that You met bad psychologist and You had to work with life by yourself and it worked out well as You say. The thing is that You're still focused about one thing and one thing only which has nothing to do with psychology. You just really believe that You're right and I am wrong while I think that both of us might be kinda right. we cant both be right, since i am disagreeing with you. if having a bad childhood, was a valid excuse for cheating, i would have cheated at games. i didnt. so therefore, your reasoning here is incorrect. kids can choose not to cheat even if they have a bad childhood. and kids that do choose to cheat, deserve punishment, regardless of their home circumstances.
2019-12-10 16:30
#300
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Europe JuliusCaesar 
You still didn't understand the thing I said. Most of the things I've said was that I've tried to make a point. Bad childhood may push people to different things. Good childhood may push different people to different things. You could be a junkie right now and You're successful at your work. Do You really think that people with same experienes as Yours would be the same right now? The difference between You and those people would be for example - parents. Lets say You both had great parents but They acted diffrently. Thats why I said we will never be equal. Because one small thing in a child's memory may change him forever and its not always in the good way. And those small things may be good or bad but it will always work on childs perception. This is why psychology will never be fully understood or complete as a study. As humans we are not the same and we never will be. We may have same blood type, gender and we may live under the same roof but we will always be diffrent because one simple thing as a fckin TV commercial or a fall on a playground can change how we think or how we develop about some things. Last edit: I kinda agree with You about one thing - psycholgy might be kinda worthless. I will never believe that human can fix other humans problem. I believe that right psychologist is able to fix depression or atleast help other person to get out of it or get better in some way. But as humans we will never be able to fix each other completly. We're not robots and psychologists also have their problems, their perception and we will never understand it fully. Anyway, fck it.
2019-12-10 16:47
people being different from each other has nothing to do with the idea that bad behaviour should be punished and good behaviour rewarded. it doesnt matter for deciding when to punish people, what happened to them. it matters how they behave. at best, what happened to people in the past can be a mitigating circumstance. people who do bad things in real life, dont get excused from going to prison because they had a bad childhood. people who do bad things in video games dont get excused from being banned for life from for profit competition because they had a bad childhood.
2019-12-10 16:48
i dont believe that investigating human behaviour is worthless, just that psychology is kind of a cult, where people make up bullshit and everyone goes along with it and they all get paid by universities to make up more bullshit that doesnt hold up in replication studies. there is no integrity or accountability. if they only get bullshit to work with, its not a surprise if psychologists who practice cant help people.
2019-12-10 16:58
any field of research that allows this much bullshit for so long without questioning, is a waste of fucking effort. psychology is about as useful as theology. that is to say, its not useful at all. have a nice day.
2019-12-10 16:10
> You dont know sh!t about 12yo cheaters or how their brain worked back then and why They did those things. yes i do. i know how it worked: they were arrogant little cocksuckers who thought they would not have any consequences for behaving like a cocksucker on the internet. and hopefully they learned their lesson.
2019-12-10 16:11
> I know how it works if we talk about thinking. no you dont. you just know what some guy made up to get published 70 years ago. no one ACTUALLY knows how human thought works, and if we ever find out, it will be because of my work replicating that behaviour scientifically. not because of your bullshit.
2019-12-10 16:14
how many people have you ever succesfully intimidated with this argument from authority crap? it honestly pisses me off.
2019-12-10 16:15
what i learned about brains during my work, is that if you want them to perform some action when asked in the future, you have to train them to perform that action and expect a certain consequence for that action. if you dont train them to perform the behaviour you actually want, but train them in an alternative environment with different objectives, they will grow in a shape that enables them to perform as if they are in that alternative environment and therefore display suboptimal behaviour in the real world environment. this is what we call "reinforcement learning"
2019-12-10 16:27
also, if kids arent punished for bad shit they do, how do you ever expect them to learn to oversee the consequences of their actions? they have nothing to gain from that if there are no consequences.
2019-12-10 16:00
honestly the fucking balls on you, to tell me i dont understand people, because i disagree with you. go fuck yourself and your whole useless profession. and then those sob stories. you think i dont know any women who were abused? i know more than 2. so dont give me any shit about that. its completely irrelevant to this discussion. youre just doing it in some sick attempt to impress me with emotionally heavy shit so i give up on telling you youre full of shit. you failed. youre full of shit. emotionally heavy is my middle name. im not scared of that stuff. i accept it exists.
2019-12-10 16:00
>Edit 2: There is also one more important thing. Most kids know right and wrong in real life like beeing thief is bad and that You can't bully other people. But for kids video games are just fun, are just video games. This is not real life for them. They don't understand this. wrong again. when i was a kid, there was no pro gaming for money either. pro gaming just meant being good at the game and competing at the highest level. i understood that playing video games online meant playing against other kids. kids are perfectly capable of understanding that computers are real machines that allow them to communicate remotely with other real people in real life. it doesnt happen in their fucking imagination. its real. you just refuse to teach them these things and pretend they are retarded. well of course, if you make it that easy, theyre just going to go along and pretend theyre retarded as well. youre literally getting played by 12yo kids. you idiot.
2019-12-10 16:04
Too bad there are still frustrated virgins in this site who think if you cheated once when you were young you should never be able to play again.
2019-12-09 12:19
too bad there are still closet cheaters in this site who think its okay to cheat
2019-12-09 12:20
Virgin detected. It's ok dude no need to take how you're feeling out on other people to make yourself feel better.
2019-12-09 12:24
cheater detected. its ok dude there are tons of cheating pussies in this game. youre just a piece of shit under my boots.
2019-12-09 12:25
i dare you to deny it so i can have a good laugh, lets go.
2019-12-09 12:25
Deny something i didn't do? No thanks. You're still a virgin though. Laugh at that loser!
2019-12-09 12:27
hahahahahahahahahahahaha thanks
2019-12-09 12:27
Does anybody still listen to this douchebag?
2019-12-09 12:32
exactly.. I hope all the morons here know they are reading an article written by a LITERAL gold nova. Fucking xqc would have a more valid opinion on the subject.
2019-12-09 14:17
#180
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Luxembourg sEEm4NN 
haha jamppi dont achive anything cheater once always cheater stay in superjymy get 200e in month and wash cars rest of hes life thats what cheaters get
2019-12-09 14:12
I dont think people who cheated when they were 12 y/o like jamppi should be banned for life... plus s1mple and n0thing cheated and they still got to play in valve tournaments..
2019-12-09 14:43
yeah exactly
2019-12-09 15:11
Snax's esl 1.6 ban was manual, not by ewac e: my bad, it was by ewac but they deleted this ban short after iirc
2019-12-09 15:26
#224
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Portugal dracø 
So you can cheat as long as you are really good at the game cuz then it would be a waste of your talent to ban you. woot m8? Sure he was young, sure it sucks, but valve needs to keep it as strict as possivel to avoid having loopholes or loose rules.
2019-12-09 15:41
They should make it esl ban=esea ban= faceit ban= vac ban And force players to use organizers hardware on tournaments and we have almost 100% cheater free game
2019-12-09 15:50
#260
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Portugal dracø 
+1
2019-12-09 17:09
"Sure he was young, sure it sucks, but valve needs to keep it as strict as possivel to avoid having loopholes or loose rules." É ISSO, PORRA
2019-12-09 15:57
I can maybe agree with if they cheated on competitive games but who gives a damn about cheating on a public server?
2019-12-10 17:00
CS:GO official age limit in Finland: 16 y/o The boy cheated when he was 12 y/o? So he actually cheated twice, LUL. Completely deserved ban.
2019-12-09 15:53
#233
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Finland Goble81 
The article does make good points. Valve sentencing a life-time ban for someone at age of 12 doing stupid things while playing non-competitive, open and no-prize money random online games sounds very harsh. Cheating in competitive and in (semi)-pro games is a different story, but still giving a lifetime ban for the first case is quite extreme. Even in sports doping ban is just some years and not a lifetime from the first case. Doing the same for the second time does deserve longer bans, but the first ban should have an expiration time (the original account left locked for good but Valve should give person a second chance after some years especially if the first ban was given for someone under 17).
2019-12-09 15:55
Indeed. Kinda just wanted to see if everyone thinks the same way but mostly pleasantly surprised so far.
2019-12-09 17:35
#244
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Finland olska 
#FREEJAMPPI
2019-12-09 16:03
deserved ban, fuck cheaters.
2019-12-09 16:20
name checks out
2019-12-09 17:40
who gives this boomer money to write columns with Back to the future jokes wtf
2019-12-10 11:08
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