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its no ones era rn i guess its nice to be a cs fan now
2019-12-08 21:48
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Astralis need to lose a few more matches before I'm ready to call this a no era era
2019-12-08 21:49
astralis never really had an era this year they are the best team of the year but they havent dominated everything it looked like they were gonna do it again but they managed to win 2 big tournaments after the major out of 5 they attended they are still #1. but they dont have an era
2019-12-08 21:54
#11
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Netherlands zuzelmonster 
+1
2019-12-08 21:55
They still look way better than anyone else and are the heavy favorites for every tournament they attend
2019-12-08 21:57
#16
LEo | 
Denmark FELIXXD 
does not mean era
2019-12-08 22:06
#25
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Brazil z1d72 
ASTRALIS ERA IS OVER MIBR ERA SHALL COME
2019-12-08 22:17
#31
LEo | 
Denmark FELIXXD 
yes
2019-12-08 22:23
lOOooooOoool
2019-12-08 23:32
#78
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Brazil Maujubudo 
BE RIGHT BACK ERA BEGINS
2019-12-09 18:02
Its spelled MOUZ not MIBR
2019-12-09 20:37
Amen
2019-12-11 17:30
what's an era then?
2019-12-08 22:36
#35
LEo | 
Denmark FELIXXD 
a long and distinct period of history
2019-12-08 22:42
#38
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Sweden Sw4de 
winning at least 80% of tournaments they attend + winning majors
2019-12-08 22:52
who decided on that 80%?
2019-12-08 23:52
#59
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Sweden Sw4de 
i did
2019-12-09 00:22
era is about being the dominant team for a longer period of time, but there's no exact way of measuring this shit...these discussions are pointless... everyone can say, and they wouldn't be wrong, that NiP, fnatic, LG/SK and finally Astralis, all had an era...
2019-12-09 00:25
#123
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Europe lalt 
LG/SK era doesn't exist. And Astralis era ended in spring.
2019-12-09 21:02
LG/SK dominated and won 2 majors back to back in 2016. Sure wasn't the longest era, but they had one IMO. You are, however, entitled to your own opinion. Astralis are still the best team right now, so not really buying the fact that their era ended. We'll see next major IMO.
2019-12-10 08:32
#167
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Argentina Joedash 
they lost one of the big tournaments of dec, last tournament is this blast, if they lose it... they will almost end the era they had
2019-12-10 20:41
#108
NAF | 
United States HAWT9 
A period of dominating, like Astralis 2018. Liquid summer etc.
2019-12-09 20:40
#118
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Germany avgNo1 
liquid summer lmao
2019-12-09 20:50
where's liquid's major title?
2019-12-10 08:37
#144
NAF | 
United States HAWT9 
Did u read what i siad
2019-12-10 10:25
nope, i reply randomly
2019-12-10 12:14
#146
NAF | 
United States HAWT9 
Luolwtf
2019-12-10 12:44
#152
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Germany niklmeister 
I didnt siad it
2019-12-10 16:31
why do you think being better than others mean it's their era??
2019-12-09 20:18
I don't think that
2019-12-09 22:33
You do think that.
2019-12-09 22:58
I don't think that
2019-12-09 22:59
You really do
2019-12-09 23:04
#124
2019-12-09 23:19
+1
2019-12-08 22:08
I think u had a nice vacation.
2019-12-08 22:20
yea much like SK "ERA"
2019-12-08 23:04
#79
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Brazil Maujubudo 
Nah, it is still their era, they won both majors. But the scene is getting more competitive again, tbh 2019 was a hell of a competitive year for CSGO.
2019-12-09 18:10
they are barely the best team of the year with "only" 5 big events this year. how on earth is this an era? i guess that you are one of those fans who thinks that sk had an era lol...
2019-12-09 20:43
#132
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Brazil Maujubudo 
Pff, please repeat that in a mirror lmao
2019-12-10 06:21
Great argument LMAO
2019-12-10 06:24
#147
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Brazil Maujubudo 
There are plenty of stuff that shows SK had an era, but that is not the point and arguing with people like you would be pointless as has been since 2017. Astralis was always near the top and, by 2018, the best roster. But now the scene is more competitive. Many other teams showed up this year, with Liquid being their biggest rival, but even so they managed to win the 2 biggest tournaments of the year and three other events. That might be their last year, but it's still their era.
2019-12-10 15:11
There are plenty of stuff that shows SK hadnt an era but that is not the point and arguing with blind fans like you would be pointless as has been since 2017. "Astralis was always near the top and, by 2018, the best roster" did i claim otherwise? i didnt say signle thing about their 2018 era but this year they HAVENT an era. they dont have even the most wins in big events. they arent dominant and they are barely the best team of the year which is even debatable. no freaking way that this year astralis has era no matter what and 2 majors dont change that. they era ended at blast miami
2019-12-10 15:15
#149
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Brazil Maujubudo 
"blind fans like you" kkkkkkkkkkkkk Don't talk what you don't know about. I see you lack a bit of interpretation, the part where I mention 2018 Astralis is to emphasize the difference between 2018 and 2019 competitiveness. But ok, with you give no importance to majors why am I still talking to you? Have a nice day!
2019-12-10 15:30
"Don't talk what you don't know about." dont talk, you are clearly biased AF "But ok, with you give no importance to majors" did i say that they arent important? be my guest and quote me but you are talking about lack a bit of interpretation lmao. you are talking to me bcs you are clearly mad over what i said. sk hadnt era and no way on earth that astralis has era this year
2019-12-10 15:32
#170
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Brazil Maujubudo 
Mad for what? I thought I was kind at the end. Anyway, I didn't talked about SK, you did it. I'm all the time talking about Astralis. Where am I biased? I'm clearly understanding more of what you're writing than you actually, which makes sense since. The "era means over the top dominance" is bullshit in sports in general. It's a incredible rare thing to happen. But you may always have a clear favorite in a given period, the one that wins most, or most important, competitions. I see that as an era. That's why I say Liquid hadn't an era, even being fan. They had an amazing run (ELIJÃO GOD), but didn't won the biggest competition of the year. Astralis did it, overcoming their struggles and winning the major, keeping their streak. And really I'm a mibr fan defending Astralis, if you think you're making me mad you may have some problems.
2019-12-11 00:58
"The "era means over the top dominance" is bullshit in sports" bcs your completely deluded definition of era is surely much more accurate... "But you may always have a clear favorite in a given period, the one that wins most, or most important, competitions." because you can say that about astralis this year right? they werent favourites this year most of the time and they didnt win the most competitions. let be alone freaking dominancy which in one of the most important factor "That's why I say Liquid hadn't an era" i never said that they had but astralis hadnt era either. like i already said that didnt win even the most big events, their winning streak is...oh well...2 events and they won "only" 5 big events out of 14 that they attended and you also have to keep in mind that they skipped decent amount of events. winning majors doesnt change anything. this isnt era by any means. you are talking about problems yet its still you who is clearly deluded
2019-12-11 03:10
#173
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Brazil Maujubudo 
Is it so hard to you to understand that when I mention something doesn't mean you talked it? And here you are again distorting what I said to you, trying to offend me. By what you said now I go back to #149. And we'll keep this cycle
2019-12-11 13:07
#150
2019-12-11 13:09
#135
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India Noobdian 
+1
2019-12-10 06:27
#164
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United States JoshDAA 
an era is when a team dominates the most prestigious events, astralis in fact did not win alot of events against other teams but they won the events that counted, they won the two majors and placed highly in other events, they also dont drop alot of maps when playing.
2019-12-10 20:33
#42
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Ukraine ksay 
being #1 doesn't mean having an era eras are all about dominance
2019-12-08 23:07
lmao...they won 5 events this year. what more do you want? just lol
2019-12-09 20:41
#136
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India Noobdian 
That's not an era bro
2019-12-10 06:27
I was sarcastic... I know that it's not an era anymore ;)
2019-12-10 06:29
#2
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United States blessedMMA_ 
we're still in the liquid era, we had some rough events but the storm is coming 2020 #KAG watch out eurosoys
2019-12-08 21:50
#3
ISSAA | 
Ukraine SandiGOD 
shut up
2019-12-08 21:51
#4
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Argentina Cushiion 
Lmao 0/8
2019-12-08 21:51
liquid era started before humans were born
2019-12-08 21:52
ended*
2019-12-08 23:32
You need liquid to live yes? So liquid dominates humans confirmed.
2019-12-09 19:33
#6
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Russia Ypp1 
ok
2019-12-08 21:52
nt murifat
2019-12-08 21:53
hahahahahahahhahahahahhahaahahahahhahaahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahah nice joke i laughed really hard
2019-12-08 21:54
#12
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United States blessedMMA_ 
its not a joke soyboy
2019-12-08 21:57
wahahahahahahahhahahhahhaha this guy is funny
2019-12-08 22:29
#17
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China SwooksarV2 
No...
2019-12-08 22:07
#19
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Netherlands meneertjesem 
0/8 liquid era doesn’t exit
2019-12-08 22:10
#39
Kush | 
Netherlands protiny 
lol all that burgerfat must have gone to your already deluded brain.
2019-12-08 23:01
#44
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United States blessedMMA_ 
baited into report, what a dumb mongoloid you are haha, we are laughing with 7 people in discord about your stupidity rn haha
2019-12-08 23:23
#51
Kush | 
Netherlands protiny 
lol as if I care autistic retard, why don't you go shoot up a school, it's what you're good at.
2019-12-09 00:10
#52
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United States blessedMMA_ 
completely embarrassed, typical low iq stoner.
2019-12-09 00:11
Link nigga
2020-01-10 19:52
#45
NiKo | 
Europe DRM7MD 
hahahhahahaha nice joke
2019-12-08 23:24
#54
s1mple | 
Canada roylin 
8/8
2019-12-09 00:14
#57
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United States blessedMMA_ 
as always my friend
2019-12-09 00:18
jonbonesjones/8
2019-12-09 00:59
#69
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United States blessedMMA_ 
he truly is the king of the NA > EU baits
2019-12-09 01:00
Agreed, secret VeryNiceGuy alt
2019-12-09 01:01
#72
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United States blessedMMA_ 
worst user on hltv
2019-12-09 01:03
#110
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Poland Lukovsky 
good bait bro
2019-12-09 20:41
#111
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United States blessedMMA_ 
dziekuje brat
2019-12-09 20:42
#113
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Poland Lukovsky 
This is an international site, please write your comment in English. Comments in another language will be deleted.
2019-12-09 20:43
#114
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United States blessedMMA_ 
fils de pute
2019-12-09 20:44
#116
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Poland Lukovsky 
baited puta
2019-12-09 20:46
#8
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Russia Ypp1 
Astralis era btw
2019-12-08 21:53
#14
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Estonia Nap0le0n 
They are not dominating that hard as in 2018, but they are top 1 rn, thats true
2019-12-08 21:59
hoping for a mousesports era tbh...
2019-12-08 22:00
#46
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United States Fanta_Boy 
+99 Pls ropz
2019-12-08 23:30
+1
2019-12-09 00:57
No Era, true. But 2019 was liquid's year
2019-12-08 22:10
#21
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Poland doxa2137 
no it wasn't
2019-12-08 22:11
It was 100 % 6 tier 1 tournaments in a row. IGS more dominant than Astralis last year. Teams without chance against them... TL 2019 = fnatic 2015
2019-12-08 22:14
#24
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Netherlands meneertjesem 
0 majors men
2019-12-08 22:16
Lets be honest. A major is a t1 tourney like all the other ones except more money is on the line and the hype is bigger. Astralis has 4 t1 tourneys this year. And nothing more
2019-12-08 22:19
#43
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Then clearly the IG means nothing? Because it's just 4 tier 1 tourneys, right? Major has all the best teams and more maps, so nice try
2019-12-08 23:09
#62
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
ESL Cologne had better teams than both majors ranking wise
2019-12-09 00:33
#73
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Not really? Teams that weren’t at the major didn’t deserve to be there (although regional qualifiers are shit). The Swiss system is much harder. And you can’t just say prize pool and prestige doesn’t matter, because it does, and winning a major is a greater achievement than cologne. The IG is also a great achievement, but by your logic it isn’t. Cologne is more prestigious then epl, it means more to win. Louie has a good run for not even 3 months, that’s not an era
2019-12-09 08:57
#74
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Yes and that resulted in a lower overall level of teams. Cologne literally had ranks #1-14. And you proved my exact point, majors are region based, cologne and others arent so quite often they have just as good if not better competition without months of qualifiers. Swiss system is not harder than colognes either. In swiss you can fail 2 days in a row, be grouped with other weak opponents and still make playoffs. And 8/16 teams make playoffs. At Cologne and most ESL tournies only 6/16 make playoffs and you can only lose twice, it's much more cutthroat than swiss. Also Colonge prize pool just got raised to 1 mil and literally the only thing you heard during cologne was "this feels like a major" so the prestige is clearly there. The only thing majors over the elite tier 1 tournies is sticker money. Besides that the competition, prestige and impact are largely comparable. Lastly Liquids are is debatable. It's not entirely about months either. They had 6 tournaments within those 3 months that's A LOT. Astralis won what 11? Last year. Liquid did over half that in a quarter of the year for some perspective.
2019-12-09 14:34
#75
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Cologne and others are... Majors are still more prestigious and remember that it only takes two wins in cologne to make the playoffs... And months do matter. Loads. Part of the entire concept of an era is how long, because the word era refers to a certain period of time. 2 months isn't long enough, 14 is. Liquid also didn't redefine the game and create their own meta
2019-12-09 17:44
#76
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Majors at this point are literally just a label and with Cologne being a major tournament now in the IGS and the prize pool increase its equivalent to a major. Nope it's based on the amount of tournaments in that time span. If there were only 4 tournaments in those 14 months it wouldnt be much of an era. You're telling me that after Astralis 6th tournament win last year, IEM Chicago, you werent already considering Astralis as having an era? Also I have no idea where you're getting 2 months from. Never has redefining the game been part of it being an era but for all intensive purposes liquid dominated individually and made teams adapt and step up on a player by player basis. The game doesnt always swing tactically sometimes the meta calls for more individual play making sometimes its nade heavy, CS is about adapting and finding what's right for the players on YOUR team.
2019-12-09 17:58
"literally just a label" lmfao how dumb can you be. Majors have a completely different build up, they have the minors in every region -> Challenger stage -> Legend stage -> Playoffs and the only tournaments with direct invovlement from Valve. The fact that some other random tournament was stacked will never make it equal to a major. Also using IGS is a joke with that logic IEM katowice should also always be considered a major? guess what its not. Only deluded Liquid fans who are so upset that they wont and probably never will have a major go out of their way to make excuses suddenly claiming other tournaments should be considered majors
2019-12-09 18:21
#82
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Eh liquid is the youngest core of all time to win multiple big events. I'm not worried about any success they wont have in the future because they're already ahead of schedule. I explained how regional minors lead to weaker competition. I explained that other tournaments now have bigger or equal purses to the major. I clearly stated that the only difference was stickers from other elite tier 1 tournaments. And if you watched Cologne at all they said the word "major" about 100 times a day because it truly felt like a major from everything from the competition to the crowd. When the IGS came out Dupreeh said himself it would be the hardest achievement in CS so I don't know where you're getting that "IGS is a joke" BS from. Majors are the biggest but overrated in terms of what it means to a players career. People act like its equivalent to winning 3 big events, it's not. Consistency will always override peaks. And btw pro.eslgaming.com/tour/ Katowice is now a masters tournament every year aka one of the most important even above the other tour events
2019-12-09 19:36
Liquid might be young but they also have a playstyle that keeps them from consistently being able to keep up with a team like Astralis i wouldnt be surprised if they dump down to being a top 8-10 team in 2020. Regionals minor lead to weaker competition?? uhm no they dont, the minor are literally played with the same format as the IEM tournaments while also having a losers bracket in play-off AND a 3rd place play-in. You are almost always guaranteed to have the 3 strongest teams qualify with this format. Other tournaments have a bigger or equal purses to the major??? doesnt make any difference we cant just start calling everything a major just cause of the funding in that case DH Malmö was pretty stacked as well so uhmm another major there? ESL s10 was stacked as well... again another major??? The fact that the word major was said in Cologne doesnt make it a major lmfao what type of argument is that. And if we start basing it on "how the crowd feels" then you've truly lost it. There are several great tournaments during the circuit, but only 2 of them are majors thats it thats the facts and isnt based on individual persons "feelings" or whatever
2019-12-09 19:39
#86
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Playstyles evolve and adapt and are benefitted by the meta. It can change in an instant and Liquid has shown they can consistently take maps off Astralis with this style. Mouz has a similar style and just beat them it's about playing to your strengths. The fact that literally every caster analyst and player that spoke at Colonge said it felt like a major and had the same prestige is pretty telling. People paid to be on camera thoughtfully plan out what they're going to say whilst on it. It's a strong argument, its testimony from people who are directly involved in the scene. Never said anything about the crowds feeling I said the crowd was equal if hot bigger than most majors crowds, seeing as how Colonge used to be a major itself and the scene has only grown since then its quite logical. Yes prize pool is a direct reason that majors WERE considered so huge now many tournaments are equivalent to them
2019-12-09 19:49
"The fact that literally every caster analyst and player that spoke at Cologne said it felt like a major and had the same prestige is pretty telling." oh rly literally every caster and player said that, could you give me just 1 source of 1 of them saying that??? After every single tourney the players talk about how much the tournament means to them thats nothing new, the same could be said about IEM katowice 2018, why arent you using that as an example? oh i know, cause you're biased towards Liquids and its very easy to tell. Ill repeat myself again but only for the last time. The fact of the matter is no individual person, player, viewer, analyst w/e the fuck can decide whether a tournament is suddenly a major or not. A lot of things are different in a major and ive already mentioned them so im not going to do that again. A major is always going to be related with the highest prestige in CS:GO unless something replaces it in the future and i can asure you no Liquid member will ever go out and claim they won a major because they won Cologne 1 year
2019-12-09 19:56
#90
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
You really didnt watch cologne did you. twitter.com/ESLCS/status/114760714815693.. If that doesnt speak volumes then idk what will My point isnt that majors are insignificant it's that they're overrated. Winning Colonge this year had just as much weight as winning major and the pro league tour announcement confirmed that
2019-12-09 20:15
oh so thorin held a sign which said this event SHOULD be a major, SHOULD not is but should, not rly a solid argument. Again you're speaking from the biased pov of a Liquid fan. Both majors had more prestige than Cologne. Cologne and ESL s10 is about equal in prestige but nothing more than that. If you ask any Liquid player, would you rather have won Cologne or say Starladder Berlin no1 in their right mind would ever say Cologne
2019-12-09 20:18
#95
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Nice semantics lol. Should meaning it has every quality of a major and therefore could easily be one. Literally the only difference between the major and cologne was sticker money. Never seen a sign like that at Starseries for example. Why? Because Cologne is the cathedral of counterstrike and hugely prestigious And the only reason for that is because of ignorant fans like you who overrate majors consistently
2019-12-09 20:25
Literally the only difference being a completely different format, more hype, direct involvement from Valve, the label of being crowned Major winners. At the end of the day Liquid have 0 major wins, thats it. Btw you never answered my question why use ESL one Cologne 2019 as an example and not IEM katowice 2018? its funny that all of a sudden a lot of Liquid fans seems to think that we should consider this 1 tournament equal to the majors now haha
2019-12-09 20:22
#97
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Formats both have pros and cons Hype was equal Valve = sticker money That's just a label Because Cologne had better competition (#1-14) better crowd/prestige, etc It is equal to the majors that's why it used to be one and now is again because the hype and prestige around it warrant it. I'm done responding its clear at this point that no matter how much I show the impact of Cologne you wont accept it due to your bias and ignorance.
2019-12-09 20:28
Formats are way different. Hype of a major starts way before and is build up all the way from the open qualifiers for the minors to the play-offs in the majors. Valve involvement = only official tourneys that valve actually recognise, also every player ingame can chose their pick-ems for the majors, not to mention players are only rewarded cool things like graffiti and in-game soundtracks related to majors So is world champion but it still means a shit ton just look at the player pages on HLTV, they literally made a special icon for the major winners Wrong IEM katowice 2018 was just as stacked, the crowd is always one of the most hyped crowds and the prestige is no difference than Cologne. I wouldnt be surprised if after Cologne 2020 Liquid fans are still using Cologne 2019 as a reference for what we should consider majors haha, but ill make it easier for you: liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Majors here you go a list of all the majors
2019-12-09 20:33
#100
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
More ignorant spew. 0/8 The fact you think Katowice 2018 was even close to this years cologne is laughable. Check the viewer count for me and retract that.
2019-12-09 20:33
#102
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Didnt click because that's clearly not the point, were talking about prestige not labels. Are you lost?
2019-12-09 20:34
We're talking about delusional Liquid fans like yourself who like to overrate a tournament / devalue the majors, due to not winning one
2019-12-09 20:35
#104
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Right, that's why players analysts and casters all deemed Cologne to be majors quality. Go watch a vod of the semis or finals including the analysis and count how many times they say it It's not just me. You dont see signs like that at other tournaments now do you?
2019-12-09 20:37
Again with ur bullshit claim based of a sign made by fucking Thorin haha. Ofc Cologne COULD be a major, i mean they were in 2016 but not in 2019. No player have ever stated that Cologne 2019 has as much prestige as a major
2019-12-09 20:38
#119
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
twitter.com/MosesGG/status/1145300801390.. So now testimony from people who were literally paid to cast the event is irrelevant? How biased and deluded could you be?
2019-12-09 20:52
you said it yourself a testimony from people WHO WERE PAYED BY THE TO lmfao are you retarded or something? show me a player who said that cologne 2019 hold as much prestige as any major ever
2019-12-09 20:52
#121
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
hltv.org/news/27291/elige-after-all-of-t.. Says it's the best event and was the biggest moment of his career...
2019-12-09 20:56
Ofc its his best event he never won a a major lmfao
2019-12-09 20:58
#88
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
Cologne has regional qualifiers. What, you think MVP earned their spot? Majors aren't significant because of a prize pool. What, you think WESG was better than cologne because it had a much, much higher prize pool? Of course not. Majors are much more prestigious in their own way. And i certainly never claimed the IG was not an impressive win, i just used your own logic and explanation against you. Their age is irrelevant to wether or not it is an era, how much they aged is. Also what you said about katowice does bear little relevance to this, seeing as Astralis won it
2019-12-09 19:56
#91
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Part of the majors significance has always been the increased prize pool/sticker money a long with the competition. Tournaments like ESL Cologne now rival them at that. Also #90
2019-12-09 20:17
Wow, someone saying a tournament should become a major again is equivalent to it being a major. Come on, what logic is that? It is not a major? cologne 2019's prize pool was still 3x less anyway. It's the prestige, it's the name, i'm sure you agree seeing as you seem to agree cologne bears more weight than DH masters dallas, an important principle
2019-12-10 17:23
#160
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Nope but the prestige and competition are equivalent to the major and therefore the quality of the win was the same. It was just as hard to win cologne as it was a major this year
2019-12-10 20:30
The prestige is not even close. Not even. That's isn't debatable, the major is the major
2019-12-10 20:32
#172
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
That's why it was reiterated about 1000 times throughout the event that it felt like a major. Feel = prestige buddy.
2019-12-11 11:45
No. Feel does not=prestige buddy. That's an inane assertion. Someone saying something should be a major or even feels like a major does not magically meta-morph it into a major. when people say that, they don't mean they are confused and actually believe it to be a major
2019-12-11 17:27
#89
NiKo | 
United Kingdom ExCeL1234 
If there were only 4 tournaments, they couldn't have dominated the circuit (although it would still be an era, just mightily unimpressive). The definition of era is 'a long and distinct period in history'. If only one thing is being taken into account, it's how long it was. And i think your analyses on the meta is wrong. It isn't sometimes about tactics? CS is always about tactics. It doesn't just dissapear. Astralis made this so. Liquid didn't change it, they actually used it alongside mechanics which are obviously a consistent part of the game's meta. And their first tournament victory was start of May, last was like 20th July. That's 2.5 months
2019-12-09 20:06
#93
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Nope if only one thing was taken into account it would be the # of tournaments. If we had 6 tournaments in 3 months and one team won all 6 that would 100% be more impressive than a team winning 3 tournaments in 6 months.
2019-12-09 20:18
No because it is a mix of both. The period has to be distinct, but it also has to be long. If it's neither or only one, it's not an era.
2019-12-10 17:17
#161
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
5 months is a long time in CS
2019-12-10 20:31
2.5 months. Don't exaggerate it.
2019-12-10 20:32
#166
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
March consistently making finals - major out in quarters. March-August
2019-12-10 20:37
FaZe made plenty of finals in the 2017-2018 crossover. Does that constitute number 1? An era? Of course not. They weren't even number 1 till the end of May so you're lucky i'm giving into Sydney, but it was not even close to March
2019-12-10 23:04
#169
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
But they didnt proceed to win 6 tournaments in a row
2019-12-11 00:25
That's irrelevant. The finals are either relevant or aren't. Liquid weren't the best till May so they can't have started their era prior to that
2019-12-11 17:23
#99
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Tactics are always involved but the level of detail and importance of them increases or decreases with each meta change. Changes like making guns cheaper benefit individually strong players where as the opposite as well as map changes benefit tactically advanced teams. Therefore there can be times when individually inclined teams benefit more and dominate and times when tactically advanced teams do
2019-12-09 20:31
But Liquid didn't change that. Because mechanics are pretty basic concepts, so unless a team somehow recreates our understanding of mechanics, they haven't changed the meta of mechanics. They didn't change the Sg or aug prices, did they
2019-12-10 17:19
#159
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
You don't have to change anything to have an era. Just have to be dominant over a series of tournaments over time. And no they didnt but they adapted to it faster than anyone which gave them a meta advantage which started their era
2019-12-10 20:38
#26
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Poland doxa2137 
these 6 tier tournaments were in 3 months or smth like that but after a major they fuck up and stop dominating
2019-12-08 22:17
#27
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Poland doxa2137 
+ it was a ttime when astralis was in a slump
2019-12-08 22:18
#77
frozen | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Whether or not an era happens isnt related to which teams are slumping In fact that's the exact point of an era. Other teams fall so far behind 1 that theres dominance.
2019-12-09 18:02
Not even close
2019-12-09 00:59
6 t1 tourneys in a row? do u mind counting them lmao
2019-12-09 18:13
#138
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Russia SergioZ14 
Blast LA isnt tier 1 tournament.
2019-12-10 06:32
Wtf did I just read omegalul
2019-12-10 06:36
it was till the major basically if they won the major they would kinda had an era but welp. the liquid choke is sadly still alive
2019-12-08 22:12
-999/8
2019-12-09 00:19
#29
k0nfig | 
Germany Trax_ 
yeah, CS is very exciting atm, great matches and great teams everywhere
2019-12-08 22:20
#34
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Japan OOFmen 
I guess we'll see in 3 months
2019-12-08 22:37
Yea it's something I've been saying too, Astralis had the last era and Liquid was as close as it gets to having one but didn't quite pull that needed major win and I like watching it more now when the results are often pretty random. It all comes down to tournament preparation currently. Many laughed at the idea of mousesports in the Final but they looked past how well prepared they came into this tournament, the were confident and had final as goal and would be disappointed with anything less so that told a lot about the mentality going into this tournament. In the final they rather won because of their confidence. Fnatic played way too passive and was playing as if they were scared, especially stupid plays with ecos. They should have just rushed a site with 5 man group to play the mental game, now they made themselves look weak which mousesports took advantage of.
2019-12-08 22:48
#37
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United Kingdom aight_dontbet 
Fnatic era incoming. Wait for pronax and olof to come back to fnatic to destroy the scene once again.
2019-12-08 22:50
No, Fnatic is going good atm ( yes they got it from behind at the final but still ) they can improve more with this line up, give it some more time
2019-12-09 00:58
You are still going to wait for that when you are in a grave
2019-12-09 20:46
ivan fanboy. talk to me when ivan can win a tournament.
2019-12-09 20:47
Actual good matches and anyone can win love it
2019-12-08 23:05
#50
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Poland Adisky 
Who cares
2019-12-08 23:54
They had an era for the better part of the first half of the year. It ended in ECS S7.
2019-12-09 00:13
#60
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Other khorkalba 
Nobody had an era this year. The definition of an era is not just being the best team but being so dominant throughout the year that nobody is even close. Astralis cannot claim that level of dominance when Liquid won the intel Grand Slam, and Liquid cannot claim that level of dominance when Astralis won both majors. Neither team can have an era. All they can compete for is the title of #1 team at the end of the year, which I think should go to Astralis.
2019-12-09 00:24
Who is they
2019-12-09 00:58
Probably its the continuation of Australis era, they already won a major this year and 4 titles prime
2019-12-09 00:16
mouz era began yesterday menssss))
2019-12-09 00:17
remember napoleon era? holy sht he conquer us all
2019-12-10 06:28
Why no era...era
2019-12-09 00:58
still fnatic era for me
2019-12-09 01:02
#84
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Qatar PrisMcsgo 
It’s cloud9 era
2019-12-09 19:38
#106
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Brazil rekiller 
MIBR ERA 2020 MARK MY WORDS
2019-12-09 20:38
#142
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Finland KieZuZ 
Ok lets bookmark and see in one year how this aged
2019-12-10 08:35
#125
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Finland KieZuZ 
OGERA
2019-12-09 22:52
#126
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France FrighTyyy 
+1 No domination right now
2019-12-09 22:54
wat
2019-12-09 22:59
make me pizza
2019-12-10 17:56
#139
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Russia nobody_cars 
We are having a North era in disabled cs for more than a year now
2019-12-10 06:33
damn this thread active af
2019-12-10 16:29
Call it what you want, but its been astralis era whole time.
2019-12-10 17:32
so when liquid won like 7 tournaments in a row when astralis skipped tournaments it was their era too? astralis era ended when they won the 1st major this year saying that their era started from the last major is stupid too since it was couple of months ago and astralis had lost couple of key matches
2019-12-10 17:48
it's cloud9 era lol
2019-12-10 20:35
Wrong
2019-12-11 17:25
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