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United States USABestCSCountry2019 
2019 was NA's strongest year yet. Do you think NACS will continue to improve, or fall off?
2019-12-09 01:27
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#1
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
Yes, when we get a top 20 AWPer, we might be able to be better Like an actual top 20 player, who is an Awper Have to be USA because USA only major
2019-12-09 01:38
#12
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United Kingdom smackP 
cerq is in NA team and hes in top5
2019-12-09 01:31
#18
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
Ok top 10 (not AWPer rank) Awper
2019-12-09 01:33
#19
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United Kingdom smackP 
top 3 1: Dev1ce 2: Woxic 3: Cerq
2019-12-09 01:34
#20
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
Dude isn’t top 3 He will be top 20-15 this year
2019-12-09 01:34
#22
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United Kingdom smackP 
hes top 1
2019-12-09 01:34
#23
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
Ethan top 1
2019-12-09 01:35
#75
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United Kingdom smackP 
awper
2019-12-09 02:29
#78
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
2nd awps sometimes EZ
2019-12-09 02:33
#81
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United Kingdom smackP 
no
2019-12-09 03:16
Imagine not listing Zywoo...
2019-12-09 02:08
s1mple zywoo kennys guardian ??????
2019-12-09 02:13
#77
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United Kingdom smackP 
s1mple isnt an awper wtf and the rest are washed up
2019-12-09 02:31
#79
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United States TheReelMVP 
just because he isnt main awp doesnt mean he isnt a top awper
2019-12-09 02:33
#84
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North America 007DBR9 
>zywoo, #1 or #2 of 2019, his first year in a real team >washed up pick one
2019-12-09 03:33
he said the rest Guardian,Kenny,
2019-12-09 04:48
nice reading skills
2019-12-10 05:29
legija only top 1 if on gambit
2019-12-10 05:31
you mean gambit only top 1 if they have GOD LEGIJA)))
2019-12-10 05:32
#28
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
In NA*
2019-12-09 01:38
#2
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United States blessedMMA_ 
lol the best is yet to come, liquid is going to start an era early 2020 and will establish their era throughout the entire year. i can't wait for the crying euros on hltv
2019-12-09 01:28
#3
mika | 
United States Nohj 
I doubt itll improve much from here. This year could of been sooo much better too if liquid didnt fall off a cliff after the player break.
2019-12-09 01:28
*could have
2019-12-09 03:47
Gla1ve got amputated his arm after that clips.twitch.tv/HyperHardMacaroniBigBrot.. and cause of that Liquid has again chance to be no 1 #1 source: trust me bro
2019-12-09 01:28
how can 2019 be the best year of na when they werent even close to winning a Major???
2019-12-09 01:28
Says a lot about NA CS, doesn't it?
2019-12-09 01:31
lol german cs
2019-12-09 03:46
german cs just won a tournament, cry is free xaxa.
2019-12-09 07:36
0 german players on mous
2019-12-09 15:29
nice excuse no scener
2019-12-09 16:53
lol where is big on rankings
2019-12-09 17:55
you could have destroyed him any other way but you chose to argue that germany cs is better than na lmao
2019-12-10 05:30
Because majors aren't the only events in csgo, and starting 2020 they wont even have the highest prize pool of s tier events, theyll be tied.
2019-12-09 01:39
0-16
2019-12-09 01:44
KEKW
2019-12-09 02:00
#68
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
Faze fan 32-2
2019-12-09 02:12
yes
2019-12-09 02:15
Wrong flair. I don't care about JetlEG
2019-12-09 02:56
#86
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
You chose Chokequid
2019-12-09 03:42
C9 will be back soon, so NA will dominate.
2019-12-09 01:29
Fluke major KEKW
2019-12-09 01:30
Polack no scene KEKW
2019-12-09 01:30
Poland KEKW
2019-12-09 01:32
lmaooooooo
2019-12-09 03:55
PepeLaugh
2019-12-09 01:30
#10
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Sweden flippig 
There's hope for liquid but I don't believe in Eg or any other NA team
2019-12-09 01:30
#14
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Belgium Miiyata 
+1 if any team can carry NA then it's liquid
2019-12-09 01:32
Liquid will never win a major, even EG and other NA teams have a better chance.
2019-12-09 01:32
#21
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Sweden flippig 
I guess in some kind of strange way you could argue for eg but other NA teams? 0/8
2019-12-09 01:33
Why not? There's a lot of young upcoming players, with the right combination and org it's entirely possible for another tier1 team.
2019-12-09 01:35
#27
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Sweden flippig 
Sounds like alot of its, buts and maybes. Liquid definately have better chance of major than some theoretical team
2019-12-09 01:37
Liquid will never win with known chokers Elige nitr0 adreN
2019-12-09 01:38
#31
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Sweden flippig 
everything checks out
2019-12-09 01:39
It's true, they're the biggest chokers in CSGO history. Even worse than TSM.
2019-12-09 01:40
#35
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Sweden flippig 
Elige is amazing player and nitr0 is igl with good fragging power imo
2019-12-09 01:42
They're good players, but chokers at majors. No hope for them.
2019-12-09 01:42
#38
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Sweden flippig 
Cloud9 would have a better chance than liquid to win a major then in your opinion?
2019-12-09 01:42
Not currently. But EG has a better chance than Liqud AT MAJORS. Liquid is the better team though.
2019-12-09 01:43
#42
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Sweden flippig 
I don't agree but the thread was about the future of na cs tho and not only majors
2019-12-09 01:44
Well regarding that. Autimatic still exists, build a team around him with actual good players and there's another T1 team.
2019-12-09 01:45
#46
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Sweden flippig 
Yeah I would actually like to see him get another chance in a good team
2019-12-09 01:47
Only if Steel and Brax weren't banned... Two actual good players.
2019-12-09 01:48
#51
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Sweden flippig 
Didn't brax get unbanned?
2019-12-09 01:49
They're unbanned from ESL tournaments I believe. But no actual T1 team would pick them up considering they can't go to majors.
2019-12-09 01:49
#54
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Sweden flippig 
Ah I see, sucks. Seen some clips from brax on youtube he was pretty nuts
2019-12-09 01:52
#25
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
Makes no sense, EG has a younger 3 star trio and the other 2 players are worse than Their Liquid counter part
2019-12-09 01:38
#30
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Sweden flippig 
I don't believe in stanislaw
2019-12-09 01:38
#34
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
EG is shit RN because Tarik is playing way worse(so fucking bad) and stans fragging is barely better than daps
2019-12-09 01:40
#36
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Sweden flippig 
I still believe more in the liquid lineup
2019-12-09 01:41
#40
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
Yeah, I do too but Liquids player are all fucking egotistical
2019-12-09 01:44
#45
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Sweden flippig 
Yeah not a very likable team I agree, but can't say that I'm particularly fond of EG either
2019-12-09 01:46
#59
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
I hate both Stan amd Tarik, Ethan, Brehze and Cerq are all quiet
2019-12-09 02:01
#61
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Sweden flippig 
I like cerq and ethan
2019-12-09 02:05
maybe eg if they can establish a more tactical side to them and become more consistent. rn they can rekt noobs gg ez and then get 16-0'd by mouz. they're too inconsistent so they're just a dark horse.
2019-12-09 03:54
NA cs might improve if teams stop giving contracts to shit washed up players like daps, koosta, rush, stan, shazam etc... NA scene has alot ALOT of young guys that just need an opportunity to shine, floppy, moose, dapr, infinite, marke, wardell, android, vanity but they give the big salaries and contracts to shit players like rush, koosta and shazam FUCK IM SO MAD
2019-12-09 01:32
#26
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
Vanity,Android 0/8
2019-12-09 01:36
Maybe you not like them but its 100% facts what im saying orgs are killing NA CS. Every now and then in EU a youngster joins a top10 team, like broky, brollan, frozen, zywoo, sergej, plopski In NA its the same washed up bots rotating. Orgs prefer to pay 40k to bots like daps and rush instead of decent players with future
2019-12-09 01:49
#56
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
ORGs are killing NA esports in General, too much money too build a super team in any NA esport
2019-12-09 01:59
Yeah hopefully shazam falls out of relevancy forerver
2019-12-09 01:48
#53
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United States jay_320 
As he gets signed by Gen.G and Wardell continues to ride a bench. I really don't understand that situation. Gen.G is in a good spot to create a third great core for NA and they are bringing in Shazam. I'm fine with Som as he's young and he's showed well this year but I do not understand signing Shazam in a world where Wardell exists.
2019-12-09 01:51
#92
Austria k1x_ 
wardell with his big ego? whenever people bring up the discussion about him joining a team, he is always clueless, he says he doesn’t want to join tier 3 teams, excepts big orgs to pick him up and give him big ass salary. also show me one good game of him against a tier 1 team, he only showed up against NA teams and with a lot of inconsistency. And apparently he is also known to have communication issues with his past team mates, i doubt daps wants another tenz in his new team
2019-12-09 04:27
yes 0-16 was good this year, lets go for that sweet 0-32 or 0-48 next year #viva NA #somosNA #alwaysNA
2019-12-09 01:46
#50
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United States jay_320 
Obviously 2019 was a major turning point for NA CS. But it really started in late 2017 with Liquid/C9 coming up as legitimately good teams. 2018 when the NRG core came online was when things really started to change. All of a sudden Liquid and NRG were threats to win every tournament they went to. Unfortunately for both squads Astralis was coming into form as the best team to ever touch CSGO. In 2019 in terms of Tier 1 events it's probably pretty close in terms of European wins versus NA wins. That's a sea change and something that's never happened in the history of CS. People can process that however they like it's just facts at the end of the day. Going into 2020 I expect Liquid to continue to be monsters on the server. There is nothing to suggest Elige, NAF and Twistzz are going to fall off as players anytime soon. EG is less convincing but Brehze is a superstar talent and Ethan/Cerq are great pieces. If Tarik and Stan turn out to be liabilities EG clearly has the will and money to rectify the situation. So basically to be continued but if you can't see the upward trajectory you are trolling or just blind to the history of the game.
2019-12-09 01:49
#72
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
Tarik has to go for EG to better than Liquid or Stan
2019-12-09 02:16
> Future > NA Pïck one
2019-12-09 01:58
#57
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
>Argentina >CS Pick one
2019-12-09 02:00
CS > Won a event outside from your country > NA GGWP
2019-12-09 02:03
So every event for Liquid this summer except Dallas?
2019-12-09 02:07
#64
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
#62
2019-12-09 02:08
#65
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United States jay_320 
Well here's a guy that literally doesn't have a memory that goes past three months. Everyone wave at the stupid man.
2019-12-09 02:07
#67
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
#62 I listed all of em
2019-12-09 02:10
#69
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United States RULE34TRACER 
This might be it unfortunately
2019-12-09 02:13
Considering how even the lower tier teams are improving, while lots of the players are quite young, I expect NA CS to continue to grow/improve With a possible franchise league I think it will become more lucrative for people to become pro players instead of pro streamers
2019-12-09 02:18
hahaha why so mad NA?
2019-12-09 02:19
How mad?
2019-12-18 00:30
I think right now the NA scene largely has the same problems as the UK scene, big population and player pool but a severe lack of dedication from a lot of players, obviously weve been seeing more and more top NA teams popping up and I think that will lead to much more NA representation in the Top 30 (ex. ATK and Gen.G maybe even c9 if they sign an actually good roster soon) because there are a lot of good players in NA but they mostly fall short in some type of way or never really get their shot due to a poor infrastructure when it comes to going pro.
2019-12-09 02:30
#97
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United States @FyreCS 
+1 Very accurate
2019-12-09 04:48
#82
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United States Tushkaaa 
Many NA teams have no experience in huge events, almost go unnoticed thanks to Liquid and Eg. What I think is probably make one better team of Eg and Liquid mixture and go for it
2019-12-09 03:21
#83
Xyp9x | 
Brazil Jeanzera 
Liquid need something different, idk what,maybe change players or functions. EG I think that they are a miracle, cerq was always good,but you see the rest of the lineup and you think, that is almost a miracle that they turned in a really solid tier 1, they will continue being good imo competing etc but they already had the climax imo Other teams has no good enough players to be tier 1, but 2 teams at tier 1 is solid.
2019-12-09 03:23
#87
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
Thinking EG climax when their 3 man core average age is like 20 lol
2019-12-09 03:45
#93
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United States jay_320 
Also thinking Cerq is the star of that team. Brehze is literally a top 10 player at worst and a top 5 rifle at worst. At worst.
2019-12-09 04:41
#94
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United States jay_320 
Seems the consensus is it's on it's way up. Which is plainly obvious to anyone paying attention. Good for HLTV getting it right for once. Also, the rumored NA franchise league could shake things up past the two *great* cores we already have. What I mean is serious investment in the scene which it's never had like a Sweden or Denmark. If you bring together some of these disparate talents thrown across teams like Envy, former C9 etc you can probably build a third international contender.
2019-12-09 04:44
#96
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United States @FyreCS 
I've heard Spain/SA CS teams are trying to do that as well?
2019-12-09 04:47
#95
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United States @FyreCS 
We are on the rise, and will continue to I believe. Liquid and EG have fallen off now, so idk about them, but I think in general, NA cs will become stronger and grow. Would love to see Envy: Nifty Tenz Crashies/Sick Shazam Mitch
2019-12-09 04:47
#99
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United States jay_320 
I wouldn't sleep on Liquid. When I look across NA and I try to see greatness they are still the only roster I see currently with that chance. They've established a core group. They have the requisite three fraggers with two of them being superstar level at this point. You gotta figure what Liquid has done has never been done before (from NA obviously). When you consider their ups and downs from that perspective the mental block they seem to have at times starts to make sense.
2019-12-09 04:50
#105
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United States @FyreCS 
+1 I completely agree, just their current form is what I'm worried about. They did change the scene for sure!
2019-12-10 05:23
Nifty Moose MarKe Infinite Dapr Can be top15 imo Floppy could join but atk doing goof
2019-12-09 05:10
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