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Germany HansLanda 
im building a new pc but cant decide wich cpu/gpu to get? any suggestions? budget is 1500$
2019-12-09 10:48
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#1
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
Ryzen 7 3700x RTX 2070 super Ez 500fps men
2019-12-09 10:50
#2
markeloff | 
Serbia _Miix 
+1! Was gonna suggest the same thing.
2019-12-09 10:51
#5
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
Great minds think alike my men
2019-12-09 10:52
Yes men 😎
2019-12-09 11:03
#36
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United Kingdom sherbZz 
+1 me 2 XD
2019-12-09 11:11
#3
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Germany iBUYPOLAND 
maybe go for 5700xt instead?
2019-12-09 10:52
#4
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
AMD GPUs big poop
2019-12-09 10:52
#6
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Germany iBUYPOLAND 
not anymore i think, 5700xt is good value for 1440p gayming
2019-12-09 10:53
#9
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
CSGO runs better on Nvidia.. u can still check benchmarks, you'll find plenty
2019-12-09 10:54
#14
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Germany iBUYPOLAND 
i mean csgo runs on a toaster, im just saying 5700xt has better frames per dollar spend for gaming in general
2019-12-09 10:56
#16
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
Yes men I are agree, go for it, don't forget to get good ram with low timings and high frequency, also NVMe ssd.
2019-12-09 10:59
#8
Russia accn 
5700xt has performance between rtx2070/2070s but 100$ cheaper
2019-12-09 10:54
#12
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
Oh if it's 100$ cheaper just go for it u right, invest that money in 240hz
2019-12-09 10:55
#59
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Iceland fatboislim 
Is the 240hz worth it tho?
2019-12-09 12:11
#80
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
144hz would do the job ez, 240 is overkill
2019-12-09 14:26
buy a used 1080 ti, way more budget, who needs RTX for anything? (I have a 2080 ti and have never used RTX for anything)
2019-12-09 11:27
#58
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
Used GPUs are a big nono for me dawg, RTX isn't only about ray tracing, they're just better overall.
2019-12-09 11:53
2070 is worse than a GTX 1080 ti, but you do you.
2019-12-09 17:40
#87
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
I didn't say the opposite hallo??
2019-12-09 18:56
Lol having rtx2070 and playing only cs? Big Waste of €
2019-12-11 23:15
i5 9600KF or Ryzen 3600 - 190 euro Z390 chipset mobo for intel or X470/570 chipset for amd - 115-150 euro 3000-3200mhz CL16 ram - 115 euro for gpu you have a lot of options, you can buy a second hand GTX1060 or 1070TI for a good price (150 for 1060, 225-250 for 1070TI), or a 1660TI (around 300), or an RTX card but imo you should wait a couple years before paying for those raytracing cores, its mostly a gimmick right now. also buy a gold or platinum rated PSU please, dont skimp on it.
2019-12-09 10:54
#11
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Germany iBUYPOLAND 
16 gigs of ram for 115 euro? seems hella cheap to me. have ram prices really dropped that much?
2019-12-09 10:55
yes, better buy it now before they close another factory to drive prices up
2019-12-09 10:56
#15
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Germany iBUYPOLAND 
thanks, might even go for 32 gigs im still running 1st gen ryzen tho, i will also have to upgrade if i want higher memory speeds
2019-12-09 10:58
seems like you can run 3200mhz on ryzen 1 which should be enough for the next couple of years. 3600mhz kits are now affordable as well but its not a must have. for the 115 euro i mentioned you can buy a 3600Mhz CL16-18-18 kit. CL is the latency of the memory kit in clock ticks. 3600Mhz CL18 is 86 euros and has the same access time as 3200Mhz CL16 kits, so you will only see a benefit from the increased clock speeds if you actually need the higher maximum bandwidth, which is increased by 11.25%. whereas with higher clock rate and the same latency, like the 3600Mhz CL16 kit, you will always get the next bit of data faster. the cheapest kits i would recommend are the 3200 CL16 kits which you can pick up for only 62 euro. so the options are: 3200 CL16 - 62 euro for 16gb 3600 CL18 - 86 euro 3600 CL16 - 115 euro and beyond that it gets a lot more expensive pretty quickly
2019-12-09 11:06
#35
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Germany iBUYPOLAND 
ty for your knowledge im using a Ryzen 5 1600 processor right now, max supported ram speed is 2666 mhz. dunno the exact timings of my ram modules, but i already have 2x 8gb so in order to benefit from current low ram prices i would have to upgrade to a more modern cpu
2019-12-09 11:11
yeah ur right, en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_5/1600 i didnt know that the cheaper ryzens support lower memory clock speeds.
2019-12-09 11:18
you can get a ryzen 3600 for around 200 euro now edit: oh wait i already said that
2019-12-09 11:26
#61
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Iceland fatboislim 
Dont mind the supported speeds, your cpu Will work fine with over 2666. And if you for some weird reason run into problems, you can lower the ram speed.
2019-12-09 12:16
#63
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Germany iBUYPOLAND 
yes, already downclocked it to 2666 mhz. ofc it works fine, tho its kinda sad that i cant use all of the available performance. but yeah, right now im fine with my current setup. Maybe Zen 3 will become even more attractive than Zen 2
2019-12-09 12:23
wtf 16gb 3200cl16 ram costs like 57 euro in my country
2019-12-09 10:59
#18
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Germany iBUYPOLAND 
oof
2019-12-09 11:00
here is a german price comparison site for ya (I guess you are from germany because of your flag) geizhals.de/g-skill-aegis-dimm-kit-16gb-..
2019-12-09 11:03
#37
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Germany iBUYPOLAND 
ty Mr Indian Tech Support Men)
2019-12-09 11:12
np Mr iBUYPOLAND Men)
2019-12-09 11:23
Yes they really have, I got 32 gb for 150 euros.
2019-12-09 11:29
#67
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Germany HansLanda 
I just found this PC on a site a friend recently bought one. megaport.de/gaming-pc-intel-i7-nightfigh.. I build this PC on pcpartpicker and the price is roughly the same since people mostly say that building your own is cheaper. Is this a fair price for this setup?
2019-12-09 13:08
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2019-12-09 13:08
well you can do the math yourself: Intel Core i7-9700K - 375 euro Alpenfohn Ben Nevis - 24 euro cheapest possible Z390 mobo - 115 euro RTX 2070 super - 525 euro 16GB DDR4-3000 - 60 euro cheapest possible 480GB SSD - 40 euro 1TB HDD - 40 euro DVD drive - 10 euro cheapest possible 600W PSU - 30 euro Windows 10 - about 100 euro wasted Wifi adapter - 10 euro total 1320 euro. so their profit is at least 180 euro on this system. probably a lot more because they can buy cheaper lower quality components in bulk that they get from china instead of paying consumer prices. the mobo, ram, ssd, and psu in this system probably belong on a scrap heap. 3000Mhz ram with really high clock latencies,CL18 or more, really slow random 4k read/write speeds on ssd, mobo missing a lot of features, psu with shit power efficiency that will probably blow up. you can probably build a better system for less. first off you dont need to buy windows again because you probably already own several licenses. so thats 100 euro in the pocket. now you spend a little bit more on a good ssd, intel, crucial, have really good cheap models, if you want to pay a bit more get a samsung evo 970. tweakers.net/pricewatch/zoeken/?keyword=.. also spend a bit more on a good psu with 80+ gold or platinum, 600W is a bit on the low end for such a big gpu, which will draw 215W on its own, running at stock clock speeds. it will use more while turbo boosted. maximum power draw is 300W, with 1 6pin and 1 8pin pcie power connector. considering you only want to use at most 80% of a PSUs rated power spec to get good energy efficiency and long lifetime, that only leaves 180W for the entire rest of the system. which isnt enough. get a 700-750W PSU. gold or platinum 80+ rating for harddrive, its better to buy a 3 or 4TB drive these days, 1TB drives are expensive per GB. now ram, if youre looking to spend 1500 in total, of which 375 on CPU and 525 on GPU, you should probably shell out for decent ram kit. the cheapest i would recommend for this budget is 3600Mhz CL16 kit that i already linked: tweakers.net/pricewatch/1481210/g-punt-s.. but you have room in this budget to spend 150-200 on a kit with even lower latency, for example: tweakers.net/pricewatch/553181/g-punt-sk.. especially in old games like csgo, built in mediocre engines, ram latency is an important statistic. you can also buy a normal cpu cooler, like a scythe mugen, or even a cheap closed loop water cooler, instead of this thing in your build that i cant even find in any stores. tweakers.net/pricewatch/752609/scythe-mu.. tweakers.net/categorie/491/waterkoeling/.. and then for mobo, you can pick one that has a good layout and good overclocking capability for about 150 euro instead of paying this company too much money for a random chinese mobo that probably doesnt overclock for shit.
2019-12-09 13:42
so then youre looking at: Intel Core i7-9700K - 375 euro Good cpu cooler - 50 euro decent Z390 mobo - 150 euro RTX 2070 super - 525 euro 16GB DDR4-3600 - 115-175 euro 500GB SSD - 60 euro 3TB HDD - 67 euro DVD drive - 10 euro 80+ gold 750W PSU - 60 euro Wifi adapter - 10 euro oh and i forgot about the case, you can buy a lot of 2nd hand cases in good state, idk good second hand sites in germany, but here in netherlands there are lots of offers tweakers.net/categorie/61/behuizingen/aa.. so lets say 50 euro for a case. so then you get a little over 1500 euro but you will not have any low quality components in your system and your psu wont blow up if you run a demanding game.
2019-12-09 13:42
the advantage of building it yourself isnt just price/performance, its also that you get the assurance that theres no cheap crap in there that will break and cause you headaches
2019-12-09 13:43
#75
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Germany HansLanda 
Thank you for this detailed answer, really appreciated. I will prob build one in the beginning of 2020 based on ur suggestions. Thanks again.
2019-12-09 13:45
ur welcome
2019-12-09 13:45
#105
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Germany HansLanda 
wouly you mind taking a quick look at my setup? de.pcpartpicker.com/list/4vRJn7 Im still not 100% sure about the ryzen 7 3700x, but ill prob take it since its only 329€ with a cooler. dont think the few extra fps from the i7 9700k are worth spending +110 € because you also have to buy a cooler. any improvements?
2019-12-13 09:39
#10
cyx | 
Germany Shadyy89 
Just want to remind you that you will be buying overprized stuff that will be going down -200+€ within the next 6 months. If you still want to spend this amount, go for it. If you want to have a nice Price/quality relation you shouldn't buy stuff from the newest generations.
2019-12-09 10:54
Every piece of hardware goes down within 6 months to a year. it is just how the business works. If he would have to wait to save 200euro he would probably never get a new pc :D
2019-12-09 11:02
#26
cyx | 
Germany Shadyy89 
Well if by "new pc" is ment the newest hardware available, than sure. Thats why I recommended to not buy the newest gens. It would still give him a new pc with everything thats needed for the next ~5years of games.
2019-12-09 11:04
it does depend on which parts you buy, some devalue a lot faster than others. GTX 1060s were 200-260 euro new, now you can get one second hand for 150. the more expensive parts go down in price faster.
2019-12-09 11:20
#43
cyx | 
Germany Shadyy89 
yea definetly. Anyway I bought high end PC when I was like 15 because I was inexperienced. Ever since than I only put like 600€ (for cpu+gpu) into my upgrades and never regretted to do so.
2019-12-09 11:21
yeah i like this build i wrote here, its 420 in total, hehe
2019-12-09 11:22
I understand what you mean but and where youre coming from. But when new stuff comes out old stuff will always fall in price obviously. Buying the newest gen gives you the best PC available at the time, and future proofs your setup for the next 5 years, and in a year ofc its gonna drop in price like everything. But i dont understand what you want him to do then, buy a i7 8700k instead or what?
2019-12-09 11:20
future proofing your pc for 5 years for some amount of money, compared to future proofing it for 3 years for half that amount, is not worth it. its cheaper to buy the parts with the best price/performance ratio and replace them when they cant keep up anymore, rather than try to prepare for something that might happen in the future. it will be cheaper to react to what happens, when it happens. as late as possible.
2019-12-09 11:24
I mean saving money is always a good thing haha cant disagree :D But lets say the new i9 that is out is abut 500euro its not like its gonna drop down to 200 euro just because a i10 comes out. But there is never a good time to by a new PC because if you buy it at the release date or close to it, i will be overpriced as hell. And if you buy it now then you can save a few 100 bucks because a new gen will come out in a year or w/e. So your without a PC for an extra year, but yet you need a PC now? And if you buy it at a later date, like 6 months from now, it is not even gonna be the newest gen cpu at the time wich alot of people like haveing that feeling that, uuh i have the newest gen cpu/gtx etc and have it for some time. At least i do
2019-12-09 11:40
you can probably pick up an i9 thats 2 years old for 50% of the price of the latest model at most. you can buy a whole second hand system for the price of one new i9 cpu. sure you wont have warranty but cpus usually last a long time, its gpus and ram and mobos that break down
2019-12-09 12:13
#27
mika | 
Turkey lil_ghost 
+1
2019-12-09 11:04
#23
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Germany HansLanda 
you mean when new generation comes out the older ones will drop?
2019-12-09 11:03
#29
cyx | 
Germany Shadyy89 
Exactly. And tbh it doesnt even matter that much since, even if you buy the very newest stuff, your pc will kinda be outdated within the same time as if you bought the last gen
2019-12-09 11:07
#38
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Germany HansLanda 
hmm yeah will see, mainly looking to get a new one for cyberpunk next year since my current pc prob cant run in smooth on high/ultra
2019-12-09 11:12
then buy it next year
2019-12-09 11:24
#21
Smix | 
Pakistan Lv1_Crook 
wait for new generation cpu's. but if you want to buy near future i can suggest r5 3600x -rtx 2070
2019-12-09 11:01
#31
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Germany dosenwichtel 
Got a Ryzen 5 3600 + Sapphire RX5700XT Nitro+ With M.2-SSD (maybe PCIE4.0 with X570-Board) and fast 16GB RAM (mind 3200 MHz DDR4) you will stick to your Budget and get good shit. Can recommend, PC is fast af.
2019-12-09 11:09
Is it hard to build a pc?
2019-12-09 11:09
nah man, go watch linustechtips, I build my PC First try it took a couple of hours it was like building legos, its a really satisfying thing to do once you are finished plus you can get a better PC for cheaper than a prebuild
2019-12-09 11:31
#33
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Switzerland Humber99 
R5 3600 5700Xt Red Devil 16 GB 3600MHz DDR4 NVME SSD 250GB + SATA SSD 1TB Best combo out there for your price range.
2019-12-09 11:10
#34
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Switzerland Humber99 
Oh and buy X470 Board with updated BIOS.
2019-12-09 11:10
I think, u can buy now ryzen 3600x + rtx 2060 super + 3200cl16 ram it's not expensive now + ssd + any b450 mobo like msi b450 tomahawk max or something like that. And after this u can optimize your windows for cs from this site csgotweaks.com, it really works. Ez 350fps minimum. My friend have 3600+1060 3gb + 3600 cl16 so he got 300-450fps with stream 1080p60fps with some drops to 250 fps on new cache. And + msi was realised new bios version which is boosting your cpu performance u can google about it "AMD ComboPI1.0.0.4 Patch B"
2019-12-09 11:18
#49
Magisk | 
Europe s1xX 
8700k Intel nvidia RTX 2070 Armor edition. trust me on this one
2019-12-09 11:25
nice 2Head pc lol buy a video card that costs from $ 500 to play counter strike
2019-12-09 11:28
If he has the budget Why should he cheap out then? Maybe he is playing other games?
2019-12-09 12:40
#85
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Germany HansLanda 
not only for cs ofc. mainly for upcoming AAA games like cyberpunk
2019-12-09 17:44
#50
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Finland MiguuuZZZ 
which*
2019-12-09 11:26
#52
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World ZMDR 
R5 3600 B450 Tomahawk MAX RX 5700 (you can flash BIOS to get XT performance) 16GB 3200Mhz and OC it to 3600Mhz Spend the rest on something useful instead of dumping more into PC hardware which become outdated all the time
2019-12-09 11:27
#57
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India JW_BesTesT 
i9
2019-12-09 11:36
You already got some nice suggestions but whatever you do pls buy a good psu from a reliable manufacturer. I'd recommend the SeaSonic Focus Plus Platinum.
2019-12-09 12:17
#64
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Germany HansLanda 
I just found this PC on a site a friend recently bought one. megaport.de/gaming-pc-intel-i7-nightfigh.. I build this PC on pcpartpicker and the price is roughly the same since people mostly say that building your own is cheaper. Is this a fair price for this setup?
2019-12-09 12:35
Yeah thats a pretty nice build, and ok price... Plus you will benefit from buying it all at one shop, regarding warranty etc. etc. i might be wrong, but if you're not into building your own and such, just buy this one
2019-12-11 19:18
#65
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Australia Ohnorepo 
Ryzen 5 3600 and a RX 590 will perform amazing for CSGO and all AAA games. Half the price of Nvidia and Intel set ups too. AMD really got competitive again the last year.
2019-12-09 12:40
#70
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Germany HansLanda 
Never had an AMD so far, all i heard was always Intel > AMD so i never tried.
2019-12-09 13:12
it was long time ago, but not now
2019-12-09 13:48
#78
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Israel sbd123 
AMD realy improved on their cpu game this year, better value, prodactivity, core count and thread count, only thing lacking is a rather small advantage of 5-10 fps a game less than intel.
2019-12-09 13:48
ryzen 3600 has same amount of cores as i5 9600KF , roughly similar clock speeds, and roughly same IPC (instructions per clock). they also cost about the same. both have no integrated gpu. so theyre basically equivalent right now.
2019-12-09 13:50
#81
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Australia Ohnorepo 
$30 cheaper for the AMD unit, and the rest of the build for the optimal parts come to between $50-$90 more than the same build on a full AMD loadout. For someone with limited budget like $1500, they can use that money else for something else.
2019-12-09 16:18
ryzen 3600 is 4 euro more expensive than i5 9600KF in my country, prices are probably different in aus
2019-12-10 11:00
not half the price
2019-12-09 13:44
#82
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Australia Ohnorepo 
No, obviously not. Just the higher end ones are. Technically Intel's cowardly little new release is also half the price for practically a reboxed previous gen too, so the price point for CPU entry is coming down across the board at least. Still cheaper to go AMD though. Less of a douchey company too.
2019-12-09 16:19
im sensing a lot of emotional shit here, best advice for other people is given by going by the numbers and not injecting your personal opinion. at this time, on multicore, intel and amd can deliver roughly the same performance for the same price. intel has a slight single core advantage due to slightly higher clock speeds and overclocking capability.
2019-12-10 11:02
#98
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Australia Ohnorepo 
Nah not emotional, across the industry Intel's efforts have been called cheap and cowardly. Not a personal opinion, a common one among the industry currently. Best advice is numbers and business practices. Not just numbers. Also, Intel only has a slight advantage on some Ryzen CPUs, as others especially in the Ryzen 5 areas have higher clock speeds and overclocking. Anything other than the upper tiers are almost 50/50. Then by the time you reach the higher tiers, the increased price point isn't worth it unless you have some hefty disposable cash. Pushing beyond the i9 and threadripper is almost pointless for everyday gamers, or people with a budget of $1500. Which OP is.
2019-12-11 13:19
hey guys, Will these speces give me aprox 250 fps stable ? i5-9400F Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super, 8 GB 16 GB DDR4 RAM
2019-12-09 16:46
you should get a i5 9600kf then, its only 190 euro and you can overclock it, with 9400f you will probably bottleneck on cpu with such an expensive gpu.
2019-12-11 21:13
Okay, thanks a lot for the reply.
2019-12-13 14:02
9700k RTX 2070
2019-12-09 17:44
> AMD > CANCR pick one
2019-12-09 18:57
#89
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United Arab Emirates knowledgeAAA 
rtx 2080 & 9600k
2019-12-09 18:57
#90
Zeus | 
Ukraine Najara 
Ryzen 5 3600 or Ryzen 7 3700x mens? Idk is there reasons to get 3700x? (I have gtx 1070 right now and ssd 1 tb)
2019-12-09 18:58
if all u do is gaming go with 3600, if u do more like streaming, editing go with 3700x.
2019-12-10 21:51
8c is kinda cool.
2019-12-14 02:58
#91
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Germany Surcal___ 
Best u get at this moment for ur money and only for 1000 agando-shop.de/product_info.php/info/p10.. U only need to pick a better cooler And if u rly want to spend 1500 but a 2080super or a ryzen 9 into it
2019-12-09 22:58
#92
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Germany Surcal___ 
If u only need a cpu/gpu i9 9900k ( 500€ ) + 5700xt ( 400€, Stronger than a 2070 super but they get 110 celius hot ) / 2080 super ( 700€, not that much better than a 5700xt but u can oc it without burning ur whole house cuz its very cool )
2019-12-09 23:09
#99
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Germany HansLanda 
i still cant decide to go with ryzen 7 3700x or i7 9700k the opinions on these are really mixed
2019-12-11 19:10
#106
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Belgium KYC 
3700x
2019-12-13 09:42
#108
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Germany HansLanda 
yeah i decided to go with it, the few extra fps from the i7 are not worth spending 100€ more
2019-12-13 16:06
#109
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Belgium KYC 
very nice choice mein freund
2019-12-13 17:33
3700x. Z390 is a dead platform
2019-12-15 04:05
another retarded thread where the op doesn't give any info on what he want's to do with his pc
2019-12-11 19:11
#102
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Germany HansLanda 
already got help thanks
2019-12-11 19:26
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