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Russia hltvliker333 
How long had you been learning for until you got your first job as a programmer? How long did it take until you became good at solving problems such as on leetcode.com etc?
2019-12-10 16:29
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i am student xd
2019-12-10 16:30
#2
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Spain Granjero 
Not working yet still studying in uni))
2019-12-10 16:30
#3
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Russia hltvliker333 
Had you been learning before you started at uni,or have you started there?
2019-12-10 16:31
#4
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Spain Granjero 
Started in high school, did in free time and in school
2019-12-10 16:32
#5
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Russia hltvliker333 
Which language? For how long have you been programming already?
2019-12-10 16:32
#18
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Spain Granjero 
7 years Java, php, HTML, css, c++ etc
2019-12-10 16:36
HTML/css isn't really considered programming
2019-12-10 17:22
#66
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Spain Granjero 
ik
2019-12-10 17:22
#79
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Singapore Asturobot 
u dont like snakes or R sir ?
2019-12-10 17:45
7 years, you must be a God in programming then. Why don't you have a job? 😎
2019-12-10 21:51
#87
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Spain Granjero 
Cause I'm still studying?
2019-12-10 21:55
Can't you combine both like myself? 😎
2019-12-10 22:01
#97
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Estonia whosmans 
not everyone can have such an easy major as gender studies at a bulgarian university men((
2019-12-10 22:07
mens :(
2019-12-10 22:08
#103
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Spain Granjero 
don't have time for that
2019-12-10 22:15
#6
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Faroe Islands UndercoverDane 
All of my friends who studied programming in school got jobs pretty quickly after graduating. And they were pretty lazy
2019-12-10 16:35
#7
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Russia hltvliker333 
what?
2019-12-10 16:33
#9
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Russia hltvliker333 
What is this retarded answer?
2019-12-10 16:34
Edited it for small brains. Don't recommend you go programming, needs IQ over 11.
2019-12-10 16:35
#20
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Russia hltvliker333 
I dont care about your retarded friends,did you even read the post?
2019-12-10 16:36
Oh, sorry. Read it wrong. Yes, Odense is the capital of Russia, You're correct.
2019-12-10 16:39
Depends your IQ
2019-12-10 16:34
#10
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Russia hltvliker333 
I think your IQ is average,because you clearly dont understand the topic.
2019-12-10 16:34
how not
2019-12-10 16:36
lol , what defaq u talking about
2019-12-10 16:43
#68
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Germany Duitsland 
+1 good logical thinking = good programmers
2019-12-10 17:23
For different people it takes different amount of time. Why does it even matter?
2019-12-10 16:34
#12
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Russia hltvliker333 
Why cant you understand the questions being asked?
2019-12-10 16:35
Which questions?
2019-12-10 16:35
#15
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Russia hltvliker333 
Why do you have to be dumb?
2019-12-10 16:36
Lmao, it seems you're the one dumb here.
2019-12-10 16:36
#25
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Russia hltvliker333 
You asked which questions yet there are questions in the original post,are you retarded?
2019-12-10 16:37
You got all the answers needed, are you dumb? :D
2019-12-10 16:38
#29
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Russia hltvliker333 
But I asked specific types of people,you havent answered my questions.Do you have low IQ?
2019-12-10 16:39
LUL Honestly I wouldn't recommend you to go for programming with such "logic".
2019-12-10 16:39
#33
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Russia hltvliker333 
You are so dumb but you dont even realize it :D You havent answered my questions,what is so hard to understand that?Maybe if you read the post again,that might help you.
2019-12-10 16:40
If you think I haven't answered then you don't even know what you're asking about.
2019-12-10 16:41
#37
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Russia hltvliker333 
I asked people who already got jobs in programming. 1)How long had you been learning for until you got your first job as a programmer? 2)How long did it take until you became good at solving problems such as on leetcode.com etc? You are clearly a person that hasn't got a job in this field,so you are not entitled to answer the question. What is so hard to understand about that?
2019-12-10 16:42
xDDD Good luck in life, boy.
2019-12-10 16:42
#39
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Russia hltvliker333 
You are totally dumb lmao
2019-12-10 16:43
xD #38
2019-12-10 16:43
#44
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Russia hltvliker333 
You lost the argument.Why cant you accept that you are dumb and have to write "xDDD"?
2019-12-10 16:44
There is no need for arguments. #38
2019-12-10 16:44
i don't like this russki but answering like ''For different people it takes different amount of time'' is not an answer. u can use those words everywhere
2019-12-10 17:43
As the question so the answer...
2019-12-10 18:22
I guess u can't read tho. Are u even a programmer?
2019-12-10 21:34
#74
2019-12-11 02:54
Wait. Are you trolling or really this dumb? I pray to god this is troll or you have very low IQ freind.
2019-12-10 22:00
#92
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Russia hltvliker333 
Give me some real argument and not this low iq stuff,are you capable of it? Point out my mistakes,give me arguments why have you infered that my iq is low. Oh,well,you cant,you have average intelligence,right?
2019-12-10 22:02
I'm not going to give any arguments. Rule nr 1 in life: NEVER argue with stupid people. Take a hour rest and re-read what you wrote in this thread to multiple people. You legit have 70IQ if you aren't trolling. Good bye
2019-12-10 22:03
#95
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Russia hltvliker333 
I think that you have average intelligence but you dont even realize it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
2019-12-10 22:05
#16
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Slovakia bad_at_life 
i have -iq, so i suck at programming
2019-12-10 16:36
and you bad at life too?
2019-12-10 16:37
#23
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Slovakia bad_at_life 
yes at everything
2019-12-10 16:37
gl mens)()
2019-12-10 16:37
#19
Magisk | 
Europe s1xX 
around 7 years. including C++ and Python. it depends on the person as well,
2019-12-10 16:37
to get job?
2019-12-10 16:37
#32
Magisk | 
Europe s1xX 
No i got a job after 3 years study, started as intern, after 6 months got offerd a job after i was done with college (which was another 6 months later). This all depends on multiple factors. How committed are you? How much are you willing to show during your intern period? How wanted is this type of job in your country? etc etc It requires a special type of patience and passion.
2019-12-10 16:40
then 7 years for what
2019-12-10 16:40
#45
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Europe s1xX 
Sorry my b i should have elaborated further. What i meant was it took around 6-7 years for me to actually have a deep feeling of understanding aswell. Its kind of hard to explain, but programming is something that has an endless learning curve. But after like 6-7 years i started feeling fully comfortable with programming. Before this there were still some questions here and there some mistakes etc. But again, this also depends on the person, how fast they can adapt and learn.
2019-12-10 16:44
+1 smart mens some ppl think that just bc they know loops and classes that they know how to program
2019-12-10 16:46
#49
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Russia hltvliker333 
xD +1 lmao
2019-12-10 16:47
this is way too common xd
2019-12-10 16:49
#53
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Russia hltvliker333 
"I made some games and programs following youtube tutorials and copying codes from forums.I am a programmer."
2019-12-10 16:50
+1
2019-12-10 22:03
+1
2019-12-10 16:44
#27
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Brazil ricabieber 
It honestly doesn’t take long if you’re motivated. Learning a few hours a night will have you rolling in a couple of months. You gotta practice though. When I say learning, I don’t mean watching and reading. I mean watch, read, then apply it. Challenge the limits of what you can do, and make it as hard as you can so that you really know it. It doesn’t take long to learn, but it takes a while to master. There’s a lot that goes into development. You have to understand data structures and the advantages / drawbacks to the various types of databases. You have to understand how apps talk to databases, and then know how to process large sets of data very quickly. You’ll have to understand how your server actually works. You’ll need to know how to setup your server files, secure a server, deal with nuances like cross origin requests / token validation / etc, know the various types of errors and what they mean, and then build out your API so you can interact with your server through your middleware. Finally you’ll have to learn frontend technologies. HTML5, CSS3, SASS, LESS, and of course good ol’ javascript. But that’s just the basics. You’ll need to know helper libraries like RxJS, React, Angular, Handlebars, Backbone, etc just to name a few. That doesn’t include build tools that you’ll need to understand to optimize your code for broadcast over networks — ie webpack, gulp, or grunt. But odds are good that even with those libraries and build tools you’ll make some super ugly websites at the start. Things will be very jarring as you’ll be mastering the basics of the libraries. As you get better, you’ll begin working with animations, and start having smoother interfaces that really invite you into the whole user experience. You’ll stop thinking of lines of code and begin learning how to solve bigger design issues using patterns. To write code, you can do it in as little as 4 months if you’re motivated, but it’ll take you a lot longer to really truly master the concepts, and even longer to learn about system architecture / design. I’ve been at it for 5 years, and I only really started learning the ins and outs when I started working for myself. That’s when I didn’t have all the experts to turn to anymore. I couldn’t ask that stupid question, and I had to know where to look for the answer. That’s why I read EVERY night. Despite all my experience and effort, I still recognize there’s soooooooo much more to learn. So continuously learning and reading are essential. I can’t stress that part enough. You HAVE TO READ constantly to stay abreast of new technology, new updates and patches, and be aware of changes in design theories that’ll build better systems. I study at least 5 hours a weeks at a minimum in addition to working 40 hours with a primary client, and another 10–20 hours in smaller client projects. Then I usually spend 2–4 hours doing office work like emails / paperwork, 5 hours reading, and still find time to watch movies and make dinner with my girlfriend of 8 years. It sounds like a lot, but remember that altogether there’s 168 hours in a week. If you sleep 8 hours a night there’s 112 left over, and if you do my work schedule above there’s still 43 hours left. That’s plenty of time to have fun with a girlfriend, be alone, and relax. So there’s honestly no excuse for not having time if you ask me. If you truly want to do something, you’ll always find time to make it happen. A secret trick is to do things in parallel like read while standing in a lunch line. Make a note about a problem while you’re in a boring meeting. Always use your time wisely. So if this is something you really want, you can learn it fairly quickly, but mastery of the field will take you a long time. There’s a reason why Engineers are in short supply but developers are everywhere.
2019-12-10 16:41
#56
Zeus | 
United Kingdom iowBill 
Inspirational post man, you wrote all that yourself just for this post?
2019-12-10 16:56
#57
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Brazil ricabieber 
no i just used google
2019-12-10 16:57
#58
Zeus | 
United Kingdom iowBill 
wait really fuck i thought you wrote that for some reason
2019-12-10 16:57
#67
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Kazakhstan alpamyS 
ahahaha, i laughed hard man
2019-12-10 17:22
1. about 2-3 years 2. 6-7 years
2019-12-10 16:41
brain, who make questions on hltv but cant use google search - never be a good programmer. /close
2019-12-10 16:44
#47
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Russia hltvliker333 
are you dumb?
2019-12-10 16:45
listen buddy, in order to be a good programmer you have to be really unaided. new technologies and patterns are invented every year, and in order to keep up with mainstream you would have to learn everything yourself. Getting your first job as programmer depends on your analysis and understanding of algorithms only. Passing calculus at university would be a good place to start, because math is really essential to programming. I'm really curious what are you gonna infer from the questions you asked :) what language should i learn first or what ? there's no difference what language you learn first, all the concepts are usually the same it's just different syntax. And also your second question doesn't make much sense, can you please elaborate on what kind of problems you want to be able to solve, there are many kinds of them from very simple bubble sorts to huge data structures.
2019-12-10 16:58
#60
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Russia hltvliker333 
I wanted to know how much time does it take hltv users on average to get a job in programming after they start studying. The second question,I meant to get good at solving these problems regularly. How doesnt it make sense? And I can assure you that I am good at mathematics :)
2019-12-10 17:05
#61
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Russia hltvliker333 
And I study university mathematics by myself.
2019-12-10 17:06
sure, dumb. but working in IT, and everytime laughing when see same questions :D
2019-12-10 17:40
#76
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Russia hltvliker333 
What is wrong with the questions?
2019-12-10 17:41
#50
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Czech Republic realProkda 
One year on average to learn something basic as HTML/CSS and get first job/freelance Three more years to be confident and reach Middle+ level Five years to become Senior Developer Protip - ty to score a job at any company, and any rate, just for a resume when someone asks you if you had an experience.
2019-12-10 16:48
#51
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Turkey sonbafrali 
If you are dedicated it won't too long but don't forget that programming doesn't fits everyone. You should love coding.
2019-12-10 16:48
in sweden you have low chances of getting a programming job if u only study it "for fun" at home or whatever. you need a degree to get a job most of the time unless you can prove that you are really god tier at programming. so if you are not gonna study it and you are gonna learn by yourself, you should probably do atleast 6 hours a day for 1-3 years. depends on your country and how lucky you are and how easy you learn. if you want the most basic programming job you might get it after 1 year of practice if you are good.
2019-12-10 16:52
6 months or so before I made the first money on programming. Learned it as a hobby and I was 14. Long time ago. Programming was different back then, not that many knew much about IT, so it took less to impress than now. Then on the other hands tools was also less advanced, these days it is easy to put a GUI together in just moments.
2019-12-10 16:52
#62
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Poland Adisky 
If you are lucky and work hard probably 1 year is enough Most of the times people start job in 3/4th year of college though
2019-12-10 17:10
Ive been programming for 6 years and it took me that time to finally start being able to grasp everything in a deeper level. When it comes to actual problem solving i will never finish learning solving them. For every problem can have multitude of solutions.
2019-12-10 17:18
#64
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Germany xsyzzz1234567 
I'd suggest that you just get a degree at an university or change to computer scenice if you study useless shit, its still the best and most straigtforward way, especially if you dont want to be a html code monkey and take this stuff serious leetcode medium/hard isn't really important unless you want to work at FAANG or in silicon valley, but its good practice, learn basic data structures though, also learn about system design and oop basics I started programming at 14 and got my first job at 17 (part time QA shit), although I got really lucky (reffered by school teacher lol), but I coded very irregularly during this time, also I was astupid kid at 14, so you can probably do the basics faster How much time do you have to learn, depending at your time I'd say at least 1 Year full time for a full time job, just practice practice and practice also do different things, multiple languages, web/desktop oop/functional so you will come across different problems at different times,, you also need some kind of accreditation/Proof you know what youre talking about Also it depends a lot on your local job market, odds are that its gonna be practically impossible to get a foot in the door without connections or a degree, a degree will also help you a lot if you want to move countries TLDR its gonna be hard, get a degree
2019-12-10 17:23
degree is useless
2019-12-10 17:41
#78
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Germany xsyzzz1234567 
you don't need to convince me, you need to convince your future employers of that
2019-12-10 17:44
Lol, never ever I was asked about degree for my 10 years. So no, I don't need to convince anyone
2019-12-10 18:32
#69
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Finland Goble81 
As a kid I programmed for fun (demo scene). No formal training and studying at that point, so my skills were purely programming graphical demos and effects. No web APIs or database designing or network client/server programming skills (could not care less about those back then). However, any kind of programming for fun is a great way to learn basic principals of programming in general. But in Finland one needs to have a degree in order to get a job no matter how good I would have been already. In college and in university I learned business related programming skills (web, network, databases, GUI design, mobile APIs) and it took just one year to learn those "good enough" because of the hobby background. Others without any prior experience were struggling in the beginning to learn it at all (or they were not motivated enough). So, without any kind of programming background I would say 1-2 years is needed to become a "good" programmer in any technology (1 year if you study in freetime also and not just at school, 2 years if you just do what they ask you to do at school). Learning one area well makes it easier to learn the next area (fex mobile frontend programming API is quite different than programming some backend server API and tools are a bit different). I got my first paid job as a programmer after being 2 years in university, but to be honest I had skills already after one year, but companies didn't want to hire first year students.
2019-12-10 17:37
If you are dedicated in that sphere, it won't take you more than 3 months to get a job as an intern.
2019-12-10 17:30
#71
Dosia | 
Russia Rapu 
I got my first job after 5 years at university and a year in the army, I didn't do programming at school :) Since then, I have already changed 5 jobs and about the same number of languages. Now i'm ABAPer. Looked this site leetcode.com, I think a couple of months will be enough to solve such kind of problems.
2019-12-10 17:33
#72
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Russia hltvliker333 
bump
2019-12-10 17:39
#82
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Russia hltvliker333 
bump2
2019-12-10 19:53
#84
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Russia hltvliker333 
bump3
2019-12-10 21:50
#86
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Russia hltvliker333 
bump4
2019-12-10 21:53
never solved >solving problems such as on leetcode.com do i need to ?
2019-12-10 17:40
#88
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Belgium ZxTox 
Started when I was 8, then went straight forward to learn more: C#, VB.NET, ASP.NET, Nodejs, React, Dart, a bit of python, C++ for arduino, PHP, powershell scripts & so on. You have to show motivation and the anger to learn something and be patient during the learning process.
2019-12-10 21:59
#89
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Russia hltvliker333 
How long had you been learning until you got the job?
2019-12-10 22:00
#99
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Belgium ZxTox 
I'm still studying but in Belgium there is a high demand for programmers so getting a job won't be hard.
2019-12-10 22:08
#96
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Sweden fearl3ss2 
got ezpz job after 30-40 developer applications or so. Near to empty github but spent some time on the side on some lame starterup for a year where I earned good knowledge from senior dev. I'd say about 6 interviews for recruiting companies, 3 interviews with the actual company in which 1 i got the job. This doesn't say anything about my skillset, but I will for sure be lost af when I actually start, which is of course expected from them. Some people look for more than coding skills and experience. I also know people who got job earlier and way easier than me.
2019-12-10 22:06
#100
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Russia hltvliker333 
How long had you been learning until you got the job?
2019-12-10 22:08
#102
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Sweden fearl3ss2 
1,5y after knowing decent/basic html, css, js, sql, java, php, c# 1 friend "instantly" after knowing decent/basic html, css, js, sql, java, php, c# 1 friend 10 months decent/basic html, css, js, sql, java, php, c#
2019-12-10 22:15
rusia fakefl;ag
2019-12-25 07:42
#101
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Germany Merkelistan 
job - 4-5 years solving problems - idk, i don't use such sites, they are boring and quite useless
2019-12-10 22:09
About a decade and now I'm a ceo 😎🤙
2019-12-25 07:51
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