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G2 and whats happening
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
I saw a topic about "WHERE TO FOR ZYWOO?", It motivated me to do a topic on G2. Now, G2 has been very inconsistent from being able to beat astralis to losing to ATK. Personally I think G2 is a top 5 team when they are playing as a team and getting everything correct, but when they are playing decent they will be a top 15 team. The problem with G2 and the reasoning why they lose from a 11-4 to a 16-14 16-12... So on is because of there T side halfs. For Example, when G2 was facing Astralis at the ESL PRO LEAGUE SEASON 10 FINALS, G2 was up 10-5 CT HALF. But there T side made them go to overtime with Astralis winning a 5-10 on inferno. Thats one of the reasons of many, for example Language barrier as theres 2 Serbian players and 3 french, Jackzz can't speak English very good, well, he struggles a lot. But I think was he gets the jizz of it he will be able to perform a lot better. What do you think of this language barrier? Should they trade out Jackzz for someone who can speak better english? Personally I don't think so as Jackzz has been a crucial part of G2. Let me know what you think. Now to the players: Jackzz, Hunter-, kennyS, Nexa, Amenek ------->Jackzz- Jackzz is a amazing player and probably the best player/one of the best cs players for his age. Lets be real No one that is 27 has that much impact as Jackzz does. But a problem of him is that he pushes the enemy to much, maybe thats for information, but imo he should not be pushing and letting them come him. Advantages with Jackzz is that he has great Gamesense and knows where the enemy is 90% of the time. Jackzz is a very underrated star. ------->kennyS- kennyS as you might know him as the AWP GOD, he was the reason the AWP got nerfed, He was part of the ways players play with the awp with the help of Guardian, the 2 main awpers that are around from the most competitive era aswell as Jw that is still performing at top tier Pro-scene. Why im saying kennyS, GuardiaN, and Jw are the main awpers? well because they were known to destroy players like no one else did. Now, back to kennyS himself, with out the rankings and K/D kennyS will be 100% be in the top 3 awpers thats touched the game with the liking of Jw, Guardian, (ik ik flair checks out) I agree, kennyS skill has dropped since his prime days, but when he has his good games, hes untouchable, he can flick into a 1 inch space and still kill you. ------->Nexa- Nexa has been ALL over the place, from Renegades-imperial-cr4zy-G2, he obviously brings in something that no one else can, not only can he IGL he can frag and keep the team calm, quality of his IGL is that he doesn't count on kennyS fragging, and distributes EVERYTHING around the hole team, I think every other team who didn't get Nexa regrets getting him from what he has shown in G2. He has shown more strategic for G2, that G2 didn't have with the previous roster (Shox, Amenek, kennyS, Jackz, lucky) Nexa is a very UNDERRATED player/IGL. ------->Hunter- Hunter has been a amazing asset to G2, honestly, can't say anything negative about him. As people say he is one of the top fraggers in cs pro scene. ------->AmeNEK- He is a great player, he fits his role perfectly, the only problem with him is that he doesn't frag every game and very inconsistent. But apart from that he is a good fit into the team, he is the only player In G2 that has gone international before this iteration of G2 as he played for misfits from 2017-04-14 – 2018-02-13, so he can bring some of that experience from there. Do you think G2 should do 1 roster change? or keep the roster the same for a bit see how it goes? IMO they shouldn't do a roster change, BUT if they had to -AmeNEK +Bodyy Why Bodyy? Because when he left you could obviously see a down hall and obviously was a player G2 needed, yes, he needs to improve on his fragging, but apart from that he should be fine. Give me your opinions on G2.
2019-12-12 12:35
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#1
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North America daesoulae 
bodyy was the support they needed. i wish theyd stayed all french tho, bc they couldve made a killer team kennys zywoo jackz lucky amanek
2019-12-12 12:38
#2
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
I agree, but the route they have taken obviously shows it kinda works, ik its your lineup, but maybe -lucky +bodyy? If they use lucky correctly they can fuck them up. or -lucky +kioshima?
2019-12-12 12:40
#3
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North America daesoulae 
that was the issue, shox had lucky playing support. when they had kio stand in and lucky off of support he was doing really good, so i had amanek on igl/support, and jackz is first entry
2019-12-12 12:43
#4
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
and lucky as a star player with zywoo and kennyS? I think that itteration would work
2019-12-12 12:45
#5
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North America daesoulae 
more or less, yea. perhaps not a star player but someone who could at least put up decent stats
2019-12-12 12:45
#8
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Yea, you know what I mean
2019-12-12 12:49
#7
apEX | 
France Alochai 
Yeah imo Lucky>kio
2019-12-12 12:48
#9
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
It really depends, fragging lucky>kio support kio>lucky
2019-12-12 12:50
#13
apEX | 
France Alochai 
I don't know, I'm pretty disappointed from Kio, joined a t3 French team and still struggling to go positive.
2019-12-12 12:52
#14
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
He is doing "1.02" but still, he should be doing better in fragging wise
2019-12-12 12:52
#23
apEX | 
France Alochai 
Imagine 1.02 in t3 when you used to be a star and you're still somewhat young.
2019-12-12 12:57
#25
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
I agree with you don't get me wrong. But, yea. Maybe he doesn't care about the game as much?
2019-12-12 12:58
#32
apEX | 
France Alochai 
He clearly does as his only wish for years was to get back into a non trash team but G2 and vitality didn't want him. Maybe subbing in for G2 to end up in t3 demoralized him.
2019-12-12 13:00
#53
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Well, yea I think after G2 didn't want him he decided to go to Heritics
2019-12-12 13:07
#27
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Germany Wurstkreatur 
Imo bodyy is good for top20 ambitions, but he is not good eneough to play with a top5 expectation (I think top5 is the ambition of g2) bodyy shouldnt be in any top french team, as there are way better players than him. I think kioshima is still the best option for g2 and even vitality, he speaks good english, is experienced and a really good role player. Sadly he chose to join Heretics where he wont have that much success. jackzz is really underrated but if the team doesnt work out, adding kioshima for him could be a nice upgrade for g2 :D
2019-12-12 12:59
#51
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
I think -AmeNEK for kio, but as someone has said kio isn't doing too good in tier 3 cs
2019-12-12 13:06
#74
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United Kingdom Pandify_Denje 
Anything with -shox would work tbh... look at Lucky , constantly bottom fragger and once shox left , this guy was kinda carrying (they lost most games tho) and now he's highest rated player in Erectics i believe. I like shox , but his "ambitions" killed G2
2019-12-13 00:29
#76
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
I agree, Shox is a great player don't get me wrong, but his ego is too high for G2
2019-12-13 00:54
Astralis is not really a great example as 5-10 t half from g2 is pretty expected tbh but against ATK it was sad after good performance against Astralis
2019-12-12 12:46
#10
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
well, I only put astralis there as a example, but it happens all the time
2019-12-12 12:50
#11
apEX | 
France Alochai 
Yeah they played really badly on CT against ATK, literally giving ATK A and B site. Watching the game felt like ATK had 8 players on T-side.
2019-12-12 12:51
#12
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Exactly, I think G2 wasn't ready for ATK
2019-12-12 12:51
#16
apEX | 
France Alochai 
They were at the very start, then ATK started doing MM strats (put one player everywhere and hold) yet G2 couldn't counter it rounds after rounds.
2019-12-12 12:53
#24
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Exactly, On ct G2 just needs to hold. Let them come to you, don't force anything
2019-12-12 12:57
#15
ZywOo | 
Singapore Blloopy 
Personally I think the reason why they are so inconsistent is because they like to switch off when they have the advantage. When they were playing against Astralis, they were taking it very seriously because they know Astralis could come back from any round deficit. Against ATK though, it’s a different story. I mean they were 12-5 up on the ct side of train, surely they can close it out right? And then ATK win out 13-16. I mean at this point everybody was somewhat tilted on G2, and then they shit the bed on inferno. In all honesty, I think the only think they need to work on is to not switch off when they have the advantage. We saw them pushing Astralis to their limits (admittedly they weren’t playing their best, but they also weren’t playing their worst) and I believe that’s what they are truly capable of.
2019-12-12 12:53
#18
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
I agree, its great to see other perspectives of G2, that is definatly a negative thing. Maybe they just got tooo cocky? and as you said got chill
2019-12-12 12:54
#20
JaCkz | 
France Bubuche 
Typical french man... Being so strong and hardworking vs GODS and being arrogant vs lower team so get rekt because they hard work the game and anti strats .... At this level, you can't accept to relax on one game because "They are not as strong as us"
2019-12-12 12:56
#21
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
+1 I think since G2 won vertigo they thought we can carm it down now we will win. So that might be a reason behind it.
2019-12-12 12:57
#26
JaCkz | 
France Bubuche 
And we know that CS is a game of confidence ... I you put 5,6,7 rounds in a row, then you can't be stopped. That is what happened with ATK on train and then on next map
2019-12-12 12:58
#33
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Exactly, a momentum based. Thats what all the caster have said, if you got momentum its going to be hard to stop the enemy.
2019-12-12 13:00
#34
ZywOo | 
Singapore Blloopy 
Yeah. I think the players in the TOP 30 are actually similar in terms of skills, is just that tactically, lower tier teams are worse than TOP tier team. But if the players in the worse team all pops off, they can probably beat the better team quite easily if they aren’t hitting all their shots.
2019-12-12 13:01
#39
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
+1
2019-12-12 13:02
#29
JaCkz | 
United Kingdom rickY180 
Good observations :) They relax when they are in front and get caught napping a lot! If they concentrated for the entire match then they'd easily close games out. Malek is working hard on this as he said in an interview. Tactically they are very good and obviously they're top 5 team in terms of raw aim and firepower! (KennyS very underrated aimer - Watch his pistol rounds) Few more months practice and Jackzz english skills improving, they'll be top 5.
2019-12-12 12:59
#37
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
+1. and I agree, kenny has started to concentrate more on the Ak/pistols aswell as awp as he knows Rifles are getting more and more important and can't count on the awp
2019-12-12 13:01
#41
JaCkz | 
United Kingdom rickY180 
Close range maps like Inferno on T side he is taking the rifles. So much more freedom for him to help the team.
2019-12-12 13:03
#48
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Exactly, like you could almost ONLY count on him for AWPING, but now you can count on him for anything, yes he isn't as good at Elige niko, so on, but still hes better than Average.
2019-12-12 13:05
#17
JaCkz | 
France Bubuche 
Imo, G2 can stay hopefull because of Nexa and Hunter. I think it was the right move. They seems to love each others and Jackz will improve his communication. Amanek need to win some self confidence cause when he frags he's fucking insane The thing is that if they all play their A game at the same time they can win T1 tournaments imo, but the problem is that there is always one or two person which is afk and that throw tournaments ....
2019-12-12 12:54
#19
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
+1 I think Amenek is shy and as you said needs to be more confident in himself. Amenek can be insane sometimes.
2019-12-12 12:56
#22
JaCkz | 
France Bubuche 
Yes. And I forgot to add that this is a team of full GOOD MEN, they look really nice, polite, well educated etc... And I think that is very important (Watch NaVi they have the best player in the world but also the most arrogant and they achieved nothing)
2019-12-12 12:57
#30
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Exactly, they don't start being toxic, yelling like Stewie2k, waving goodbye like Glaive. Respect is the one thing 90% of the teams don't have. I think G2 had with all there rosters, thats why I like the french scene, I just don't like Cocky people.
2019-12-12 12:59
#36
JaCkz | 
France Bubuche 
unfortunately the french scene is sometimes a bitch too ... but yeah I think they managed to united good people, mixing skills, and experience which can make good things in the future
2019-12-12 13:01
#40
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
I agree, but what you see in Astralis and NA is not as bad in france.
2019-12-12 13:03
#43
JaCkz | 
France Bubuche 
Rare to hear that France is not toxic on HLTV KIWI YOU ROCK
2019-12-12 13:03
#46
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Im not delusional like everyone else, I always state facts.
2019-12-12 13:04
#47
JaCkz | 
France Bubuche 
Good state of mind boy ++++
2019-12-12 13:05
#49
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
You too man, Hopefully OG can be successful
2019-12-12 13:05
#50
JaCkz | 
France Bubuche 
I like the fact that they have big balls to try this sort of team# Looking forward to the next few month and see if players really believe in the project
2019-12-12 13:06
#54
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Exactly, whos the igl? NBK? AleksiB?
2019-12-12 13:07
#57
JaCkz | 
France Bubuche 
Idk I know that NBK- was kicked from vitality because he didn't really agree to let 100% igl role to ALEX se he probably wants to lead but alksiB is 100% IGL i think ? So i dont really know tbh
2019-12-12 13:11
#58
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
IMO, AleksiB should main IGL and let NBK maybe help out?
2019-12-12 13:12
#59
JaCkz | 
France Bubuche 
maybe but sometimes it's difficult to have two people IGLing at the same time Idk, maybe they will try di9fferent things and see what they prefer
2019-12-12 13:13
#60
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Yea, no one knows what they will do atm, so we will have to see tommorow. but I have to head to sleep, its 1am here, Gn
2019-12-12 13:14
#61
JaCkz | 
France Bubuche 
GN bro
2019-12-12 13:15
#28
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CIS subhumen))) 
tldr
2019-12-12 12:59
#31
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
What do you think about G2? any Roster changes they should do?
2019-12-12 13:00
#35
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CIS subhumen))) 
-Amanek +EspiranTo
2019-12-12 13:01
#42
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Idk, I don't see it clicking, But it might work
2019-12-12 13:03
#38
JaCkz | 
United Kingdom rickY180 
Any roster moves would be substituting like for likes atm. Nexa is the best IGL they can have atm. Hunter + Kenny are the best fraggers available Jackzz is the best entry they can have Amanek is the only player replaceable I think but you're only going to be getting a player that is the same, not better...
2019-12-12 13:02
#44
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
I agree, thats why I put -ameNEK +???? But Bodyy when he was on the team he was a good support
2019-12-12 13:04
#62
JaCkz | 
United Kingdom rickY180 
Kenny is playing support because he's awping Kenny throws most of the flashes for Jackzz to attack behind. Nexa, Hunter go after Jackzz and then Kenny comes in behind to catch the late fights with awp.
2019-12-12 14:03
#65
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
I wouldn't say KennyS is a support. But he does do the stuff you have mentioned. He just isn't a support support
2019-12-12 23:04
#77
JaCkz | 
United Kingdom rickY180 
G2 don't have a support so he is the closest to the role. They play the buddy system a lot so they support their teammate
2019-12-13 09:48
#78
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
I bepieve amenek is the support
2019-12-13 12:21
#83
JaCkz | 
United Kingdom rickY180 
How can he support when he's the other side of the map?
2019-12-13 14:14
#84
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Mmmmm good point tbh... I always saw Amenek as a support role.
2019-12-13 14:17
#45
JaCkz | 
France Bubuche 
+1
2019-12-12 13:04
More strategic now ? What a tasty joke They have nothing to change and they shouldnt have change anything before. Carlos is a joke he know nothing about CS
2019-12-12 13:07
#55
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Spain akproxx 
Cant believe that u writted this shit just to say -amanek +bodyy wtf Get a brain
2019-12-12 13:10
#56
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
You're a fan of astralis, your the one that needs to get a brain, Thats MY OPINION, I didn't say it would be a good fit, or a bad fit, I said its my opinion, and now if you have nothing to say that will actually benefit the thread don't post. Edit: and if they had to.
2019-12-12 13:12
#63
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Spain akproxx 
There is not a full support role anymore bodyy prove that he is not a for a top 5 team He is not even in tier 2 anymore
2019-12-12 15:10
#64
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
If you really think that the support role isn't a thing anymore you're delusional. But as I said, it might work or it might not work. We will never know.
2019-12-12 23:02
#66
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Spain akproxx 
-200 iq
2019-12-12 23:53
#67
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
You're so delusional if you think support isnt a role. XYP9X plays support
2019-12-12 23:55
#68
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Spain akproxx 
not really
2019-12-13 00:02
#70
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Yes he does, you're so blind of your favourite team.
2019-12-13 00:14
#75
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Spain akproxx 
Ok believe whatever u want
2019-12-13 00:48
#69
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Australia IamthekinG 
For a game like this, communication is really important. I could see they just stick to this roster and improve that day by day. I think language could límite their potential by 15 20 %
2019-12-13 00:02
#71
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Exactly, Should they go back to french?
2019-12-13 00:14
#72
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Australia IamthekinG 
But if French roster will work, it will be working long time ago, feels running out of option. Because what G2 want is not a top10 or top5, they want major winning roster I think. And I see now, more and more, international is becoming a trend
2019-12-13 00:19
#73
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
I agree, they ruined it when the team kicked NBK and APEX. maybe they should of done -bodyy +DavidP? idk
2019-12-13 00:24
AmaNEk is better rated than nbk- this year and both are supports. Supports usually have worst ratings. They often lurk or watch the back meaning often close to no engagements as lurks also don't face much contact.
2019-12-13 12:24
#80
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Yea??? Idk tbh
2019-12-13 13:13
always supports are the ones who are kicked from the team. For example you can see any example, from G2 -nbk, -bodyy,-lucky, from NiP -GtR, from Vitality it seems like -rpk, when you think of skilled players in Astralis xyp9x is the last name which comes to your mind. Only twistzz is a support who doesn't have bad stats but he is only not a true support. He doesn't throw nades. He just watches back or lurks sometimes, they play him to get best out of clutch situations and he is bait kind of guy. Same as coldzera in prime.
2019-12-13 14:04
#82
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
I agree, the original support players are leaving and support isnt really a 'thing' anymore
2019-12-13 14:08
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