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Poland friendlySeb 
Ruomors are saying that one of the most well known NA org. is trying to buyout ATK. This young roster had impressive run at ESL Pro League Final, crushing on North 32-17, and beating G2 in close series respectively. The roster of the squad looks as follow: Sonic JT floppy motm oSee Roster looks pretty decent, with changing JT for some decent IGL, (Nifty for example), they can maybe even sneak to a TOP 20. But the question is - is it enough for C9? I mean, i dont see this team getting much higher than TOP 20 (maybe TOP 15 if they do the change that i was talking about), and C9 is one of the most well know org. in NA. This org. should have like a TOP 10 team, not TOP 20 if they will hold the form that they have now. However if they want to buyout that lineup, i would change JT for Nifty, and T.c (their coach) to valens. Roster would present : Nifty motm floppy oSee Sonic valens (coach) Your opinions?
2019-12-12 15:50
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#1
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
They are already top 20
2019-12-12 15:51
I dont base my opinion on HLTV ranking. I dont think its accurate.
2019-12-12 20:49
#22
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Greece m3s0v 
-osEE +Wardell and its fine
2019-12-13 13:18
oSee has been playing really well, wouldnt change him.
2019-12-13 13:21
#45
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United Kingdom willtr 
+1 but i wouldnt add nifty if you are taking osee
2019-12-13 15:53
Then who would you take since you remove JT and they need a leader?
2019-12-13 15:56
#48
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United Kingdom willtr 
i wouldnt remove JT and have him as an igl with nifty as a secondary caller insted -osee +nifty
2019-12-13 15:58
Keeping JT makes no sense for me.
2019-12-13 16:00
#51
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United Kingdom willtr 
hes only 20 so he still has time to improve or you could do nifty sonic tenz floppy motm
2019-12-13 16:03
Why ppl want to take TenZ? He was so dissapointing.
2019-12-13 16:08
#55
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United Kingdom willtr 
but he is legit 18 your putting to much pressure on him you cant expect him to be a god straight away like twistzz at first he wasnt bad he just wasnt amazing until only a year ago
2019-12-13 16:13
He was making stupid decisions, looked shaky, he just doesnt seemt to be good. First he need to make some experience in lower tier org. and then join some decent org like C9.
2019-12-13 20:37
You can’t use the excuse that he is young. If he is bad then he is bad. Give him time and then maybe he will be good but right now he is not and has nothing to show for other than his aim bots aim. You shouldn’t be on a team because you only have potential you have to show what you can do first.
2019-12-14 04:21
Didnt follow strats, wanted to play around himself, cocky.
2019-12-14 04:38
If you watch a little bit of the geng vs j4f game that just happened you can see TenZ makes so many stupid mistakes and has an fpl mindset and that doesn't fly when you're trying to even be a top 30 team
2019-12-14 04:50
for everyone who says +wardell this is a profession, it isnt a fucking game. He is a snake. He has lost all professional credibility and reliability. It isnt based on his ability, rather his professionalism, immaturity and shitty character. fuck wardell
2019-12-14 04:42
HLTV Ranking is pretty accurate
2019-12-14 04:38
ATK top 19 after one good result? Wouldnt say so.
2019-12-14 13:46
Beat G2 and North in a good fashion, lost to mouz. Seems fair to me
2019-12-14 14:09
One event. If they will keep it then they are TOP 20. For me it could have been a fluke.
2019-12-14 15:23
It could be a fluke, but they still beat them, so they deserve the ranking lol
2019-12-14 15:23
For beating G2 and North they dont deserve TOP 20.
2019-12-14 15:23
Theres no point in having a conversation if all you do is repeat the same thing over and over again have a good day and enjoy the matches
2019-12-14 15:25
Like wtf you think that beating TOP 15 G2 and TOP 30 North means they are TOP 20? cmon
2019-12-14 15:26
Consistent top 20
2019-12-12 21:09
#2
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India cHAPPie__BK 
I m pretty sure they kept mixwell so I think it will be -JT +mixwell
2019-12-12 15:52
#6
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Finland S0lidarity 
from what i know, jt is IGL'ing ? and oSee is awping
2019-12-12 20:52
I dont think they would take mixwell since they need a leader. They can change Sonic with mixwell but dont think that would be good for the team.
2019-12-12 21:05
the awper is osee not sonic and mixwell is really good
2019-12-14 18:17
i know, And mixwell is ok, but i prefer oSee tbh.
2019-12-14 18:17
I dont think there is enough NA-talent available for them right now that will make a top10 team. Buying the ATK-lineup will at the very least give them a team so they can stay in the scene and they probably wont need to spend that much money on the whole thing, who even knows how much money they have to spend at all.
2019-12-12 15:58
Agreed.
2019-12-12 21:06
#5
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Finland S0lidarity 
in my opinion they should keep the roster like it is and if there is problems in the future they can make roster changes
2019-12-12 20:51
Ofc., but JT really seems to struggle and that would be good to change him.
2019-12-12 21:06
#12
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Finland S0lidarity 
Yeah but changing your igl for an awper ?
2019-12-12 22:35
Changing your IGL for IGL and AWPer.
2019-12-13 10:48
#16
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Finland S0lidarity 
Mixwell isn't igl'ing
2019-12-13 11:02
Who said i want to take mixwell? wth are you talking about? Im talking about Nifty.
2019-12-13 11:03
#29
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Finland S0lidarity 
i thought you said they should +mixwell my bad
2019-12-13 13:39
its fine. But +Nifty would be good imo.
2019-12-13 13:41
#42
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Finland S0lidarity 
Yeah could be
2019-12-13 15:03
#10
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United States AlphaMaleHere 
Buy the Americans that are on atk bring back tenz and mixwell
2019-12-12 21:07
And have no IGL? TenZ who has been really dissapointing? mixwell is ok, but Sonic seems way better for me. Wont agree.
2019-12-13 13:03
Sonic isn't even main awping for the team it is Osee
2019-12-14 05:31
Still i would prefer oSee over mixwell.
2019-12-14 13:46
someone said shipz will be in there as well
2019-12-13 10:51
I think you missunderstood. There were roumors that SHiPZ will play in Gen.G, but i dont think there was anything about him in C9.
2019-12-13 13:12
ohh yeah ok
2019-12-13 14:32
#15
oBo | 
Korea Moms_touch 
I dont think c9 gonna buy full roster. Jack is such a greedy guy. I think they will bring 2 or 3 players from atk and mix with rest of c9
2019-12-13 10:51
#21
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Finland iBait 
Eh they only have TenZ and Mixwell left, not really worth it to complicate things when the ATK team is doing okay as they are + ATK probably doesn't have the highest buyouts
2019-12-13 13:19
#32
oBo | 
Korea Moms_touch 
But the problem is they're still paying tenz. And jack won't be happy with the team staying at top 20. C9 will try something imo. I agree it will spoil atk even more but
2019-12-13 13:49
So they are gonna destroy ATK and add mixwel (who isnt better than Sonic imo.) and TenZ who has been really dissapointing? Doesnt seem like a good idea.
2019-12-13 13:30
#27
oBo | 
Korea Moms_touch 
Thats why im saying c9's ceo greedy. They will use tenz unless other teams buy him. Caz they are still paying tenz.
2019-12-13 13:38
Fuck, TenZ really has been dissapointing, would be bad for them to add him to the active roster.
2019-12-13 13:41
#20
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Finland iBait 
Nifty hasn't really done anything to convince me he can actually be a decent IGL. Not changing the roster or picking MSL (assuming he's willing to go to NA) would be much better imo. Valens probably wouldn't leave his job at EG just to do more work for a worse team.
2019-12-13 13:16
If MSL want to go to NA, then sure. If he doesnt, i dont see better option than Nifty. And i though that valens is like an analyst in C9 atm., didnt know that he moved to EG. Then you need to look for some better coach.
2019-12-13 13:34
#26
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Indonesia lukerey 
hmm i dont really like it tbh. i will give a couple of months to see how this new c9 doing in 2020. but my ideal cloud9 roster will be : JT (IGL) sonic floppy wardell (awper) tenz and still jamezirl as a coach.
2019-12-13 13:38
I respect it but i really dont like your roster. JT doesnt really seem like a good leader either as a fragger. TenZ has been really dissapointing, and changing motm for him doesnt seem good either. Jamez can be a good coach, i agree.
2019-12-13 13:56
#35
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Indonesia lukerey 
im okay with nifty. but i personally will change osee then and make nifty as the main awper.
2019-12-13 14:05
oSee has been playing really well. I would leave him for now.
2019-12-13 14:06
Xantares Paz İmoRR Calyx Maj3r Coach:Hardstyle =top 10
2019-12-13 13:39
-imoRR +ngiN ez TOP 5.
2019-12-13 14:35
Hmm awp ?
2019-12-13 15:43
MAJ3R/paz
2019-12-13 15:51
İmoRR>Ngin
2019-12-13 16:58
Old SS > any turkish team that you could have now.
2019-12-13 20:37
#34
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North America daesoulae 
the two weakest players on atk right now are jt and osee, and im *pretty* sure that motm is the one playing the 'bitch' positions, so i think the best course of action is to drop osee as well nifty i think is a great addition to atk/c9, hes the best player on envy right now and hes also the igl. so add him to atk/c9, but let him awp. then add ryann as the support/first or second entry with motm (floppy stated that part of the reason he had such good stats on singularity was because ryann would always play as bait. ryann still also had semi-decent stats despite this) i dont really know a whole lot about the coaches, but tc seems to be a good coach. so it could go either way with him and jamezirl floppy sonic motm nifty ryann top 15
2019-12-13 14:03
I mean oSee most likely is second worst player on that team, but he still has been very good, and i dont know if i like changing him. But what you have done is ok, i guess.
2019-12-13 14:45
#40
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North America daesoulae 
hltv.org/stats/players/13249/oSee?startD.. this was atks performance at esl perhaps not a whole lot to go off of, but osee is one of their weaker players for sure. you could argue keeping him, but jt has to go lol
2019-12-13 14:52
Agree about JT. He is just really really bad. Maybe even worst player in TOP 20 atm.
2019-12-13 14:53
#47
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Australia I_HATE_MIBR 
Valens has moved to EG he's not gonna go back to coach tier 300 team
2019-12-13 15:57
#49
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Australia I_HATE_MIBR 
hltv.org/news/28332/valens-joins-evil-ge.. here's the Valens - EG article mens)))))
2019-12-13 15:59
#52
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United States Kick_Rush_FFS 
plus valens doesnt want to coach
2019-12-13 16:07
Yea as i said before, i didnt know that valens have joined EG.
2019-12-14 01:32
trust me, you don't want nifty as an igl
2019-12-13 16:08
Trust me, i prefer him rather than JT.
2019-12-14 01:32
#87
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Qatar PrisMcsgo 
What’s wrong with jt
2019-12-14 05:16
His fragging sux, and his leading doesnt seem like anything special either.
2019-12-14 13:46
#100
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Qatar PrisMcsgo 
Nah his fragging isn’t too bad. I would say he’s like karrigan where some games he can pop off
2019-12-14 15:34
For me, its not enough. And i wouldnt compare his fragging to karrigan fragging, because in team like ATK IGL need to frag good aswell.
2019-12-14 15:35
#56
s1mple | 
Ukraine YUR4S 
no money-no funny
2019-12-13 16:17
C9 has money ))))
2019-12-14 01:32
#57
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United States jay_320 
Why is anyone surprised C9 is selling players and making the cheapest bets possible just to have a "presence" and string along their fans for another couple years? No hate towards the ATK guys. I think some of them are legit talents. But you are absolutely right in that this is not the type of team an org like C9 should be going after. The move was to buy NRG. They are supposed to be the top NA org in CS along with Liquid.
2019-12-13 16:17
Agreed. Still better to have ATK than not having anything.
2019-12-14 01:33
#58
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Poland Crai9Xen 
Jt is igling well for them and u want to remove him and then add nifty?? Trust me u dont want nifty to igl.
2019-12-13 16:22
I wouldnt say JT is igling well, and yes, i prefer Nifty.
2019-12-14 01:33
who cars about c9 after boston
2019-12-13 17:01
They have quite some fans actually.
2019-12-14 01:34
#61
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United States twistzzgod 
vanity floppy dapr WARDELL moose
2019-12-13 17:03
Good lineup. But its completely not what was reported.
2019-12-14 01:34
#62
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North America 2P0lar 
I think they could’ve done as a better option vanity/jt Subroza Mixwell/wardell Sick Floppy
2019-12-13 17:05
Dont think that would be much better than what i said.
2019-12-14 01:34
#79
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North America 2P0lar 
It would be less buyouts for better players. You want to but most of atk and valens from nrg while you’ll only buy like 1 or maybe 2 players.
2019-12-14 03:55
I dont want to buy valens from EG. I thought he is still in C9.
2019-12-14 13:45
#126
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North America 2P0lar 
No he moved a while ago.
2019-12-15 15:27
Yea, i know now.
2019-12-15 15:54
#63
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Europe Tema1 
Valens is in eg
2019-12-13 17:08
Yea, i just realised.
2019-12-14 01:34
#64
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
If they didn’t get ATK I’d have liked to see them build a team around the core of Vanity-TenZ-ShahZam personally - maybe Wrath and Swag could make up the other two places. C9 already have a major so for me their goal should be to be strong in other tournaments, such as Ghost when they were around, rather than trying to win a major again.
2019-12-13 17:10
I dont like the core of vanity - TenZ and ShahZaM, but its some idea aswell.
2019-12-14 01:35
#76
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Japan Jotaro 
nifty decent igl AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
2019-12-14 01:35
For sure beter than JT.
2019-12-14 18:15
#109
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Japan Jotaro 
Not even close
2019-12-14 19:46
lmao 0/8
2019-12-14 19:47
#111
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Japan Jotaro 
Then it's just a coincidence that atk is ranked way above envy because nifty can't call a strat to save his life he's dog he was dog on renegades he is dog on envy he's dog
2019-12-14 20:20
,,he was dog on renegades'' lmao funny guy you are.
2019-12-14 20:22
#113
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Japan Jotaro 
You right just a coincidence 100thieves is 10x better with azr igling then dogshit nifty
2019-12-14 20:24
Not because they changed USTILO, that all Nifty fault.
2019-12-14 20:25
#115
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Japan Jotaro 
Nifty will never be good he will always be tier 10 just accept the facts he's shit
2019-12-14 20:30
lmao. Just accept the fact that no one cares what you say
2019-12-14 20:34
#117
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Japan Jotaro 
They care just as much as what you say
2019-12-14 20:45
Excatly. But they care what they say. And almost noone thinks that Nifty sux and JT is much better than him.
2019-12-14 20:47
#119
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Japan Jotaro 
Atk does
2019-12-14 20:56
Really they do? Any proof?
2019-12-14 20:59
#125
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Japan Jotaro 
they signed JT over nifty ofc
2019-12-15 03:17
Would love to see this roster: Floppy MarKE TenZ Mixwell Vanity
2019-12-14 01:35
Im really not a fan of TenZ, i think he first need to make some experience in lower tier team/org. Other than that its good.
2019-12-14 18:15
Just -someone +PASHANOJ and ez top 1
2019-12-14 04:10
I would remove JT and Sonic and add PASHANOJ and wayLander. PERFECT
2019-12-14 18:16
#86
oBo | 
United States FrothaJuan 
JT and Osee are really bad imo
2019-12-14 04:51
JT yes, wont agree about oSee, imo he is really good.
2019-12-14 18:16
2019-12-15 00:46
hltv.org/stats/players/13249/oSee?startD.. Thats last 3months But i dont look at stats usually. Still i think oSee is ok.
2019-12-15 02:54
I think something like Nifty/Vanity Floppy Motm Sonic Wardell/Mixwell The reason why I would sign a main awper instead of having Nifty do it is because Nifty is also good with rifles and it's harder to find a player who has good impact with rifles than one who has impact with an awp. I think this is probably the best C9 could make without spending to much.
2019-12-14 05:39
Nifty floppy motm Sonic WARDELL seems solid.
2019-12-14 18:17
Wardell is talented, but he has personality issues that I think go unchecked, could be very toxic for the team. Mixwell is the far more experienced player as well in a lineup that is very young
2019-12-15 00:28
mixwell good option aswell, but i would still tryout WARDELL.
2019-12-15 02:53
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