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UK voting system
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Germany YOU_SMART_BUT_ME_SMARTER 
Why is it so shit. Why do countries use election Systems that make a huge amount of votes irrelevant Just because they live in a certain Part of the country. Same goes for the US aswell. Fix your system.. let the votes count..
2019-12-13 10:09
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#1
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Hahahaahahaha leftist snowflake shedding tears
2019-12-13 10:13
I am Happy that the brits are gone. But If you make this about left and right then it seems Like the right has a weird understanding of democracy.
2019-12-13 10:17
They have a weird understanding of everything because they're not very bright.
2019-12-13 10:19
#7
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Higher average iq than Germany
2019-12-13 10:20
That doesn't even make sense, but I guess it's expected from someone with low iq.
2019-12-13 10:22
#10
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
It's higher than yours, you're some third worlder too afraid to show your real flag
2019-12-13 10:23
#37
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Netherlands zuzelmonster 
his flag is macau, that might just be true.
2019-12-13 12:02
#38
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Probably not
2019-12-13 12:05
#39
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Netherlands zuzelmonster 
but it might be, so don't judge
2019-12-13 12:05
#41
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Yes it might, there's always a chance he's from Macau, but I highly doubt it. People from Macau have brains, he doesn't
2019-12-13 12:13
#46
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Norway at0mic_cs 
dutch people also have brains, doesn't exactly seem like you do.
2019-12-13 13:33
#50
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Hahahahaa, my iq is 130. I feel bad for you that you're to stupid to understand me
2019-12-13 13:39
#84
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Belgium Miiyata 
If you had 130iq you wouldnt be reacting like a half assed bullied kiddo
2019-12-13 15:01
#86
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
ok belgium, have fun living in a shit country
2019-12-13 15:02
#90
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Norway at0mic_cs 
if your iq is over 130, you're at top 2% of the population. You wouldn't be acting like an 11 year old.
2019-12-13 15:16
#93
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
You're just jealous and upset
2019-12-13 15:26
#95
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Norway at0mic_cs 
right. look at yourself. give me 1 reason I'd be jealous
2019-12-13 15:30
it seems like youre emotionally 0 iq
2019-12-13 15:38
#102
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Austria geschlittert 
135 here and you actually dont sound very bright. Why are you attacking him for proposing a reasonable change?
2019-12-13 15:45
#100
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Netherlands zuzelmonster 
the fact that you use iq as a term if intellectual intelligence tells me enough about your brain
2019-12-13 15:42
#6
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Brits are gone = less euroscepticism = more leftist EU policies = more countries leaving EU
2019-12-13 10:19
#12
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United Kingdom dv-_- 
This. Hopefully we manage to leave reasonably smoothly, showing other countries that you can get out of this bureaucracy
2019-12-13 10:23
#13
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
+1 now it's up to you guys to lower taxes, regulations and make the UK Singapore on steroids
2019-12-13 10:23
#72
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Sweden Kasidro 
they will have to keep most regulations when it comes to producing products if they wanna trade on the european market
2019-12-13 14:30
#73
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
China has 0 regulations, still exports to EU
2019-12-13 14:34
#75
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Sweden Kasidro 
but EU already have a trade agreement with China, UK still has to negotiate a new one. Why would EU agree to a trade agreement that undercuts their own markets, won't happen
2019-12-13 14:40
#76
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
The leaders of the EU dont have brains, they put import tariffs on a lot of goods making everything more expensive for ordinary consumers. They dont understand that making a country prosperous is by low regulations, low taxes and freedom. The only thing the EU really cares about is their "solidarity". basically a constant flow of money from north to south.
2019-12-13 14:43
#77
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
UK will get a trade deal with relevant parts of the earth, unlike the EU. Trump already said he will get a trade deal with the UK once brexit is over.
2019-12-13 14:43
#78
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Sweden Kasidro 
UK export to the US is less than half that of germany, france and the netherlands. Compared to the whole of EU it is not even that, when it comes to imports EU is by far the largest market followed by China. US is not really that relevant. It will have to be a trade deal that completely changes the world markets, you really think that is gonna happen?
2019-12-13 14:55
#79
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
The growth isnt in europe, its in Africa, Asia and South America. EU wont be relevant in the future. Btw there will still be a lot of trade between the UK and the EU especially when they have a trade deal together, which was agreed upon in the deal.
2019-12-13 14:57
#81
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Sweden Kasidro 
they will have a trade deal at some point yes, but it won't be on UK's terms. Let's see where we are a year from now.
2019-12-13 14:58
#87
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
ok but if it wont be on "uk's terms" it would also be bad for the EU because it would mean import tariffs on both sides.
2019-12-13 15:02
#88
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Sweden Kasidro 
yes but as EU is UK's most important market it will hurt UK a lot more. If it was up to me i would scrap all fucking trade deals in the world.
2019-12-13 15:04
#94
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Trade is good for an economy, with brexit you can still trade. I'm just really excited to see what happens next
2019-12-13 15:28
#98
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Sweden Kasidro 
Yeah but trade should be free
2019-12-13 15:36
"reasonably smoothly" XD
2019-12-13 10:25
"reasonable smoothly" Are you delusional, for 3 years nothing else was the topic in your politics. You could have just left at the First Deadline but you didnt...
2019-12-13 10:27
#18
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United Kingdom dv-_- 
I wanted to leave at the first deadline, the problem was all the remainer cry babies trying to stop it at every single hurdle. But now that we actually have a government with a good majority, it will go ahead swiftly
2019-12-13 10:28
reasonably smoothly wtf England mens
2019-12-13 14:02
according to the uk you becoming free was also reasonably smoothly... brits.. living in the past
2019-12-13 14:03
pretty sure the UK acknowledges this as one of their biggest fuckups, actively teaching it as one. we just tend not to silence disagreeing voices in this country.... germans... no knowledge of the past
2019-12-13 15:35
#74
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United Kingdom Dylan9007 
Kk
2019-12-13 14:35
I'm not sure how advocating a democratic voting system where votes count on a percentual basis would make you a leftist, the whole idea behind a democracy is that the people decide, not that the 50 - 60% who put their vote on the right candidate decide. Stating anything else would just make you look like a fool.
2019-12-13 14:58
#85
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
the electoral system is superior because people vote for their own districts and therefore have the best living standards!
2019-12-13 15:01
That is so ill informed I can hardly believe it. The whole problem is the district representation which skews the actual representation. Anyone who didn't vote for the candidate who won in said district wasted their vote. I don't care who wins the election personally, but I can absolutely say it's not as democratic a system as representation based on percentual election results.
2019-12-13 15:06
hes not saying its as democratic. hes saying its superior, which is up for debate, but it is definitely more expedient.
2019-12-13 15:36
It's definitely superior if you wish to maintain power in a two party system. However a two party system is not exactly the most progressive system to begin with.
2019-12-13 15:50
England is a country that still has a Queen. also as the creators of common law, the UK has had a pretty clear divide for centuries. imo these two points show that the UK is not interested in being the most 'progressive' and that two parties have represented the country for 800 years and its usually gone pretty well. Furthermore, population distribution would make representational voting fucked in the UK, like it would in the US and so they decided upon this system in order to make sure less populous places had a say (the London/England divide has greatly influenced english politics since the 19th century, and arguably before then). tbh my only issue with this whole debate is the ignorance of the nuances in our democratic/republican foundations and the belief that the same system can work in every country (imo this is a classic and increasingly common case of modern liberalism forgetting and overriding their foundations. self-determination in this case, due to a belief in their intellectual/moral superiority, allowing allows them to decide for others. which is further from democracy than any political system discussed in this thread).
2019-12-13 16:04
#3
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Denmark felab 
cry is free 4 libtards
2019-12-13 10:19
#4
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Reunion 1iquser 
does the uk have gerrymandering tho?
2019-12-13 10:19
fptp is the most simple and reasonable system to elect cancellors. we elect particular cancellors for our hometown, not parties with nominees that may even never come to our city. we elected you, a particular person, as a representative for us. your responsability is to represent our will and our interests in the house. a election means to sign contracts bwtween you and us, and we will reveal this contract within the next election.
2019-12-13 10:21
Most simple but Not reasonable because it leaves out a huge Part of Population in the final result. There are different ways to get your local representative into parliamant and having all votes count...
2019-12-13 10:24
no. election is a battle for life and death. either you win the seat, or you win nothing. politics is so cruel. talk about brexit for example, UK either leaves or stays in EU, no third choice. whether they leave or stay, it leaves out half the population in this country anyway.
2019-12-13 10:29
No. Just a no. What you are saying is Just stupid. If you have 100 districs and the one Party gets 20 percent in every district and wins every Vote in every Seat then 20 percent of the Population has voted for a Party and now they have 100 percent of the seats. That's Just retarded. FPTP is the stupidest system there is for voting. The Same goes for NA presidental elections... where you votes counts based on where you live in aswell + a President could be elected by having Like 30 percent of all votes.
2019-12-13 10:36
#21
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United Kingdom dv-_- 
And they each have their own drawbacks. The reason we use this system is because albeit not 100% perfect, it's overall better than the others.
2019-12-13 10:33
It isnt Overall better than others... Not in any way..
2019-12-13 10:36
#27
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United Kingdom dv-_- 
By stating this you prove that you actually have no idea what you're talking about. Why do you guys on the left always do this shit? Actually do research and read about other systems and their benefits/downfalls before making statements on things you don't really know about.
2019-12-13 10:41
OK retard.... Not Like I Made my fair Share of Research before. FPTP is kinda working If you have two Parties because Most of the Times the unrepresantated voters are equal after the Results meaning that result is representative. But you dont have two Parties that both almost have 50 percent anymore. You have a Lot of Parties meaning that seats are given to a Party with maybe 30 percent of all votes in this district... Very representative... Nt.. the only system that is Said to fail in current times is FPTP, all the other systems are working with the multi Party system. But this is a waste of time. Calling me Out for not knowing stuff about the voting Systems and then saying FPTP is the best? Seems Like you never did some Research, it's Not the best. It's favouring the big Parties and it's simple, that's all. But what can I expect from someone using "the left" Nice American thinking..
2019-12-13 10:50
#34
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United Kingdom dv-_- 
And when has having a 3 way split ever worked out well for the government? If the seats are all spread 3 ways with no real majority, you end up with a stale government that can't actually bring in new laws because the other 2 parties vote them down. So instead of everyone getting 30% of their views represented, everyone just ends up with 0% of their policies enacted upon, which is just shit for everyone.
2019-12-13 12:00
Ever heard coalitions and compromises? Every other country in europe has coalitions... and we still policies are enacted...
2019-12-13 13:30
#48
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Brazil Bene_Tleilax 
Then you never get anything done either way, you will always stay in the middle of the road where the lobbies dominate. Just like what happens here in Brazil.
2019-12-13 13:37
lobbyism is just another problem... but saying you want always one party to rule is like saying I dont want to represented in parliamant... I rather want a dictatorship
2019-12-13 13:38
#51
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Brazil Bene_Tleilax 
Im a monarchist so yeah, for me democracy is just the road to socialism.
2019-12-13 13:39
Then why are you even taking part in this conversation if you dont even care about democratic values?
2019-12-13 13:40
#53
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Brazil Bene_Tleilax 
Just because I don't like democracy it doesn't mean I cant analyse whats happening and give my inputs on the situation, we live in representative democracies after all.
2019-12-13 13:41
The uk doesnt really. youtube.com/watch?v=r9rGX91rq5I their system is flawed, so is the american system
2019-12-13 13:43
#56
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Brazil Bene_Tleilax 
All systems have their flaws. I cant speak for the UK but what I understand of american republicanism is that they were always weary of the "tyranny of the masses" so they put backstops against one man one vote representation.
2019-12-13 13:48
"tryanny of the masses" thats the people that pay the government money.. what a joke... tryanny of the masses just means different parties in power and not theirs... there are so many different elections systems that are far better than what us and uk have
2019-12-13 13:53
#60
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Brazil Bene_Tleilax 
Thats democracy for you, it politicizes and divides the people when we should all be fighting against our tax farmers and their cronies. Its inevitable that whoever loses will feel robbed by population that "wins".
2019-12-13 13:56
No, no one would feel robbed if they would be represented.. If 50+ percent of the UK would have voted Tories, then everyone would be fine with them having the majority and being able to do what they want. But they didnt and still they got 60+ percent of the seats. They got less than 50 percent of the votes ---> they should have to make trade offs with different parties to get their goals because they shpuldnt be able t represent britain alone
2019-12-13 14:02
#66
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Brazil Bene_Tleilax 
Maybe you would feel that way personally, but from what I've seen here and throughout the world all elections and up the way I described. And society gets more and more divided.
2019-12-13 14:04
Where have you seen that? Of course for example the US is divided, same problem as the UK but even worse where only two parties are left and rest is irrelevant. Of course they are divided if you only have two options. WIth or against
2019-12-13 14:06
#71
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Brazil Bene_Tleilax 
If there is no division or resentment that's because the parties that can win only represent the same policies just under different banners (for example Brazil pre-Bolsonaro, where he had PSDB against PT). In this case there isn't really a choice. If there is resentment we have the situation you described (PT X Bolsonaro Brazil for example), that's because there is at least an appearance of choice, so the division manifests. Either way it is bad.
2019-12-13 14:14
It really isn't. Tories got 43% of the vote, yet get 56% of the seats in Parliament. LibDems got 11.5% of the vote, yet get only 1.5% of the seats due to this semi-democratic system. They get 11 seats, when it should be 75. And you as a Brexit (p/m)uppet in particular should be cross about the BP not getting the 13 seats that they actually should've gotten according to the vote. The Greens also should've gotten 18 seats, not 1. That's what everyone voted for. Not what they got. The SNP also only got 45% of the votes in Scotland, yet they get 81% of Scotland's seats (C/L are 25 and 18.5% votes respectively, 10/1.7% seats). In Wales C/L got 36 and 41% of the votes, yet seats went 35/55. In NI it's even worse: mostly split between 5 parties at 30/23/15/17/12% but the first 2 get 83% of the seats between the 2 of them. SDLP got 15% of the vote, 11% of the seats; AP got 17% of the votes but just 5.5% of the seats. It's a fucked up system that does not represent shit of what the people actually want. Smaller parties are severely under represented.
2019-12-13 13:50
imagen 40% vs 30% makes a difference about almost 200 sits.
2019-12-13 10:23
what about 52% vs 48% makes a difference about leave and stay?
2019-12-13 10:24
You mean the Vote where everyone had to Google Afterwards what the EU even is? You mean the vote where the brexiteers Just blantantly Lied and Said that the UK will have Tons of Money for the health system If they leave?
2019-12-13 10:29
this is the other side of "accountability politics" coin. while representative must take account for peoples will, the people have to take account for their own life and own choice. we assume all adults "can and will" make the best decisions for themselves. because if they are too lazy or stupid, they take those bad outcomes by themselves. this is the core assumption of capitalism. if you dont accept this, then communism fits you better, where a big bro will select "the wisest" way for you.
2019-12-13 10:35
And you actually dont understand theoretical communism..
2019-12-13 10:38
#29
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United Kingdom dv-_- 
Again just plain stupid, the people googling about the EU afterwards were people that didn't vote. No-one voting didn't know the difference between the options, we were hammered non-stop about it for weeks - only those that don't do politics we're not in the know. If the actual reason leave won was about the voters being ignorant/uninformed, why were all the remain parties manifestos promising to LOWER the voting age to 16? Surely if they wanted less stupid/uniformed people voting, the last thing they'd want is kids voting - but unfortunately, uninformed people are their voter base.
2019-12-13 10:46
Yo uk, pls explain this - why are brits on hltv pro Boris Johnson, but the brits in another game like WoW are so anti him ?? What's the general consensus regarding that in the end?
2019-12-13 16:01
#110
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United Kingdom dv-_- 
because if u say ur voted leave in public or on reddit/wow people start calling you a racist or an idiot, so people generally just keep their opinions to themselves. It's largely the reason that the polls on brexit are so inaccurate. HLTV because its a little more right wing in general, its a bit of a better place to actually discuss stuff.
2019-12-13 18:09
do the math 10% difference with this voting system can be more like 50% difference overall. You can call it democracy. I call it the voice of silence. Worst democracy system ever even worse than USA with their two party system
2019-12-13 12:58
Wish one AI would take over and remove all these boomer MPs
2019-12-13 10:35
#28
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Korea XigNw0w 
They got their will through. What's the problem?
2019-12-13 10:45
#30
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United Kingdom dv-_- 
People don't understand democracy, and how important it is.
2019-12-13 10:47
You dont understand democracy If you think that having 43 % percent of the votes gives 60+% of the seats
2019-12-13 10:52
#33
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United Kingdom dv-_- 
They have 60% of the seats because the WON in 60% of the districts. Each of those seats were people who the MAJORITY of their COMMUNITY wanted to REPRESENT their ideals.
2019-12-13 11:51
#36
Estonia 1922 
Who gives a shit about what arbitrary districts vote for? It should be the whole country's vote, not because of lucky or intentional constituency painting.
2019-12-13 12:01
#40
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United Kingdom dv-_- 
Because otherwise we leave the decision up to people in London and the other extremely high populous cities, which all have a very different opinion and lifestyle compared to other rural areas. Personally I'd much rather our communities all have much self-governing power, so the overall victor isn't actually that important, and all communities are lead generally in what they voted for - but unfortunately that isn't the way it works currently
2019-12-13 12:08
In other countries, you can also vote for a person directly from a specific area. Even in Germany. So I guess it is a weak argument that you need it cuz all what you do is vote 4 1 person.
2019-12-13 13:03
i can see why youre so 'smart'.
2019-12-13 15:42
I cant see why I should care about you.
2019-12-13 15:46
did i say you should? edit- glad to see this is the person who champions 'pure' democracy.
2019-12-13 15:48
+1 A similar problem you have in America
2019-12-13 14:07
#35
Estonia 1922 
Because we're backwards
2019-12-13 12:00
Cry leftists🤣🤣🤣
2019-12-13 12:59
#67
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Belgium KYC 
What does it have to do with leftists, the system is just shitty.
2019-12-13 14:06
Woow what a great contribution to this topic...
2019-12-13 14:08
All votes are irrelevant, chill.
2019-12-13 13:43
#59
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Denmark Notallama 
You're miscalculating the wannabe edgelords in here. They don't like democracy apparently.
2019-12-13 13:56
democracy is about having compromises but people on HLTV kinda want time based dictatorships
2019-12-13 13:57
#62
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Denmark Notallama 
Well, they get what they want for the time being. I'm just glad I live in a country where every vote counts, and I, along most of my countrymen, will give their life to keep it that way.
2019-12-13 13:59
#92
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Israel DonowurName 
Boris johnson and trump "dictators" lmao, get a grip.
2019-12-13 15:20
while the second part of what you said is an absolute joke, and something you should be ashamed of if you have any dignity or empathy for the realities of the rest of the world. the first part is correct, which is why there are different democratic systems chosen by different nations. its amazing how concepts like self-determination, empathy and nuance have been lost and replaced by false moral/intellectual superiority.
2019-12-13 15:46
What is it with all the fucking Germans so salty over Brexit? Every goddamn German tweet is crying, and it seems the Germans of HLTV are crying too. Get over it, it has NOTHING to do with your country. Oh wait, yes it does, you're all bitching because you know how fucking much the European Union is going to suffer when we leave, and Germany is one of the ones set to lose the most over it. Go trade with some other countries and forget about us please.
2019-12-13 14:59
It's to make sure that the elected politician represents a geographically diverse area instead of 1 city
2019-12-13 15:01
#91
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Israel DonowurName 
Idk about england, but it makes perfect sense for US, and would be a disaster if it counts by popular vote. It wouldn't be the united states of america, it would be the united states of california and new york. Absolute no impact of small states.
2019-12-13 15:19
Comparison If UK had german voting system (simplified though) and If germany had UK election system (please No) mobile.twitter.com/nicosemsrott/status/1..
2019-12-13 15:54
#111
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Finland Smoonah 
because red coats
2019-12-13 18:10
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