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POST EPL FINALS TOP 20 2019
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North America RealGabeNewell 
Aight listen up i got the best top 20 list so come here 1. ZywOo (1.29 rating, 4 MVP's, 5 EVP's, 2 LAN Wins, 3 LAN finals) 2. dev1ce (1.23 rating, 1 Major MVP, 3 MVP's total, 6 EVP's, 5 LAN wins (2 majors), 2 LAN Finals) 3. ElIGE (1.21 rating, 3 MVP's, 6 EVP's, 7 LAN wins, 4 LAN finals) 4. s1mple (1.29 rating, 1 MVP, 4 EVP's, 1 LAN win, 0 LAN finals) 5. NAF (1.17 rating, 2 MVP's, 7 EVP's, 7 LAN wins, 4 LAN finals) 6. Magisk (1.17 rating, 1 MVP (Major), 6 EVP's, 5 LAN wins (2 majors), 2 LAN finals) - lower than NAF due to less wins, less impact, and less EVP's but they are almost interchangeable 7. Electronic (1.23 rating, 0 MVP's, 2 EVP's, 1 LAN win, 0 LAN finals) - Bonkers impact makes him higher 8. Brehze (1.14 rating, 1 MVP, 6 EVP's, 2 LAN wins, 0 LAN finals) - better impact that twistzz 9. Twistzz (1.15 rating, 1 MVP, 6 EVP's, 7 LAN wins, 4 LAN finals) 10. NiKo (1.15 rating, 2 MVP's, 1 EVP, 3 LAN wins, 1 :LAN final) - good impact still 11. ropz (1.19 rating, 1 MVP, 1 EVP, 3 LAN wins, 0 LAN finals) high rating carries him up this high 12. sergej (1.12 rating. 0 MVP's. 5 EVP's, 1 LAN win, 4 LAN finals) 13. w0xic (1.18 rating, 1 MVP, 1 EVP, 3 LAN wins, 0 LAN finals) 14. dupreeh (1.11 rating, 0 MVP's. 4 EVPs, 5 LAN wins (2 majors) 2 LAN finals) 15. Ethan (1.10 rating, 1 MVP, 3 EVP's, 2 LAN wins, 0 LAN finals) 15. JKS (1.12 rating, 0 MVP's, 3 EVP's, 0 LAN wins, 1 LAN finals) but his team made many top 4's as well 16. Brollan (1.10 rating, 0 MVP's, 3 EVP's, 1 LAN win, 2 LAN finals) 17. CeRq (1.11 rating, 0 MVP's, 2 EVP's, 2 LAN wins, 0 LAN finals) but he is very inconsistent 18. Xyp9x(1.05 rating, 0 MVP's, 5 EVP's, 7 LAN wins, 4 LAN finals) lots of EVP's but im not too sure 19. KRIMZ (1.11 rating, 0 MVP's, 3 EVP's, 1 LAN win, 2 LAN finals) 20. KSCERATO/Allu/jkaem/KennyS/Sttewie2k/coldzera this was actually hard to make rationally, i probably forgot someone or overatted someone /discuss
2019-12-14 17:15
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#1
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Sweden osty17 
just curious, why is brollan above krimz if he krimz has higher rating and the same achievements?
2019-12-14 17:17
#6
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North America RealGabeNewell 
because KRIMZ has an impact rating of 1.08 and Brollan's is 1.16
2019-12-14 17:22
#8
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Sweden osty17 
ah ok
2019-12-14 17:23
I factored in a few different criterium Big event rating, MVP count, (major too), EVP count, Big Event Wins, LAN wins, Big event finals, LAN finals, and impact
2019-12-14 17:24
#108
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Estonia MorsAlbum 
the top 4 are in such a predictable order that betting on it will be incredibly easy s1mple > zywoo > device > elige in term of skill, depending on which 2 guys end up as top 2 for the bet, (or maybe there will be a bet for 1st place out of all 4 cuz its close) its easy to predict & bet if zywoo and device are both top 2 then its easy for zywoo, if SOMEHOW elige and device top 2 then easy for device, if s1mple and device/elige then easy for s1mple. it just depends exactly on the calculations and way that hltv calculates the top 4, but with process of elimination its gonna be easy to differentiate 1st and 2nd for free money
2019-12-16 17:41
i think its gonna be ZywOo no matter what, he has practically the same stats as s1mple (better in some catagories worse in others) and he has more MVP's EVP's LAN Finals and LAN victories. then it all comes down to how HLTV do it this time, this is my personal choices if I had to rank them but you never know what they are gonna do.
2019-12-16 17:45
#112
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Estonia MorsAlbum 
yeah exactly, but consider that vitality/zywoo didnt do anything for the first ~4ish months which is 1/3 of the whole year, so even tho he has a lot of MVP/EVP/stats, being missing for the first part of the year might have an impact in the final rankings. i completely agree that zywoo is the best player rn and hes slightly edging over s1mple individually, but its down to hltv at the end of the day, so if zywoo is somehow not top 2, then its easy to bet on s1mple then, if both arent top 2, then its easy for device over elige for example (which is highly unlikely for those 2 to be top 2)
2019-12-16 17:48
the same thing can be said for s1mple as well because from like april - august he played like 2 lans and i agree with you on these points, its gonna be quite exciting to see what happens. also from 5 - 9 its the same case because theyre all so close and have different circumstances, like how electronic has like 2 or 3 EVP's but has the 3rd highest rating of the year, magisk has 1 mvp but its the major while NAF has 2 but theyre smaller events, and how brehze can be a god then a bot month by month, twistzz aswell goes off every other tournament.
2019-12-16 18:01
this is actually really good.GJ mate.
2019-12-14 17:18
#9
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North America RealGabeNewell 
Thanks gla1ve ill put you on there next year when you leave astralis and join Valve
2019-12-14 17:23
#59
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Philippines LYrpz 
idk men gla1ve pretty good.
2019-12-15 17:15
#3
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North America RealGabeNewell 
oops made a mistake with the statistics of Xyp9x I originally had stewie there but switched him with Xyp
2019-12-14 17:19
#4
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Norway at0mic_cs 
Jkaem #20
2019-12-14 17:20
#7
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North America RealGabeNewell 
I had no clue to put at 20 but he is in contention
2019-12-14 17:22
#15
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Norway at0mic_cs 
Made my own for norway 1 Jkaem 2 Rain 3 Cromen 4 Radifaction 5 Hallzerk 6 H4RR3 7 Polly 8 Akez 9 Truth 10 Marcelious 11 Grusarn 12 Vertigo 13 kSwitch 14 Fletch 15 hEllberg 16 milk 17 dem0 18 jimbo 19 AASENG 20 Rubino
2019-12-14 17:29
I dont know anyone past the top 10 but where is cromen? also jkaem top 1 #YTB
2019-12-14 17:28
#17
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Norway at0mic_cs 
knew I forgot about someone
2019-12-14 17:28
#19
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Norway at0mic_cs 
fixed it mens((
2019-12-14 17:29
Nice mens)))) Volvo approved Gaben rates 10/10
2019-12-14 17:29
#21
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Norway at0mic_cs 
top 5 NA?
2019-12-14 17:33
#37
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Slovakia SLAVak 
You don't know RUBINO? Shame on you..
2019-12-14 19:17
my granny would make top 20 in norway
2019-12-14 22:53
#58
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Russia ArtyoMM 
RUBINO good player man miss him with dignitas with fox
2019-12-15 17:12
#64
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Norway at0mic_cs 
I forgot about him and I wasn't about to move everyone from 5 and under 1 down so he got 20
2019-12-15 20:16
Artyom French?
2019-12-15 20:23
#83
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Russia ArtyoMM 
wat? im pt
2019-12-15 20:25
good one ;)
2019-12-14 17:20
Thank you attractive church girl hey if you want a job at valve come by :)
2019-12-14 17:25
#10
ZywOo | 
Germany DannyLog 
Just had to see the first 4 to agree for all 20 with you
2019-12-14 17:24
thank you fellow OG fan, we at valve love the team
2019-12-14 17:25
#28
ZywOo | 
Germany DannyLog 
mantuu will rise to the top Aleksib and NBK will destroy their former team valde is already a GOD for ISSAA, idk we'll see how good he is
2019-12-14 17:44
Issaa and valde gonna both respectively destroy HellRaisers and N♿RTH
2019-12-15 20:25
finally someone who made his homeworks before making this . Very good list
2019-12-14 17:25
Thank you, I was sick of seeing all these serious top 20 threads made by people who cant go and look at basic statistics before making a choice EDIT: like the ones putting NAF anywhere below 7 or twistzz top 3
2019-12-14 17:29
#22
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United States HAWT9 
FakeLagger
2019-12-14 17:33
Good list and big up for effort. But in my world you can't compare zywho with device and elige since zywho plays in a team who was relevant for 3 out of 12 months. Rest of his stats are from group stage exits while dev1ce and elige faught against top5 opponents. And since list and for the whole 2019 I believe that ropz should be top3 or top4 if he carries mouz through epicenter
2019-12-14 17:35
Thank you, i did put some time into it but ZywOo still has the highest rating vs top5 opponents and he was revelvant for the whole year, he was carrying vitality so hard that they could make finals in the first place. He has more MVP's than device and Elige and 5 EVP's with decent team placements im not gonna take that last point seriously, because mouz didnt make a big event final until last week, he has about half the big event maps then the others, and he only has 1 MVP and 3 EVPs
2019-12-14 19:15
ZywOo still has more mvps and wayyy better rating so he deserves it for sure. there has to be a point when it isnt just about achievements just like s1mple deserved last uear
2019-12-15 00:07
I feel you, but s1mple was actually relevant last year. This year both him and zywoo have played in complete garbage teams who have been lightyears away from liquid and astralis. I remember NaVi 2018 actually being decent compared to vitality and navi this year (alot of LAN skipping this year too)
2019-12-16 01:53
vitality still won most events and also device had better rating and more events won last year than this year
2019-12-16 01:54
very nice +1
2019-12-14 17:37
thank you
2019-12-14 19:15
#25
LaimB | 
Lithuania Martis 
Great list
2019-12-14 17:39
thank you
2019-12-14 19:15
#26
Xyp9x | 
Europe JeSuS_ 
Just wondering how can Xyp9x be with 7 LAN wins, 4 LAN finals and dev1ce with , 5 LAN wins, 2 LAN finals
2019-12-14 17:40
#3
2019-12-14 19:10
I agree with you but i think device will get n1 and zywoo 2 tho
2019-12-14 17:40
theyre quite close but I just have the other opinion :)
2019-12-14 19:12
Man I also agree with you but I think hltv will put device on 1
2019-12-14 22:50
#29
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Turkey Thunderball 
Can i ask did you add evp of last epl to that list? And also how did you reach this last that consists both evps and mvps
2019-12-14 17:48
EPL EVP's havent come out yet im making one more right before the official HLTV one comes out
2019-12-14 19:12
ok I like the S1mple being #4, I feel like people are massively overrating him this year
2019-12-14 19:17
i agree, individually he is still the best player, but he doesnt have the same individual accolades as last year and his form isnt as great but at blast pro series copenhagen he went off so hard i loved it even though he lost
2019-12-14 21:36
Yeah hes awesome to watch and has the most individual skill in the game, but that isnt what makes someone #1, you gotta win. 2018 is fine that he was #1 because Na'Vi were the only team winning tournaments aside from Astralis, and S1mple was the only players able to win against them, and he was just flat out owning! They won Starseries season 7 I think but thats not enough for me
2019-12-14 23:08
What does the title mean? Post EPL finals top 20?
2019-12-14 21:39
On my old account i made 2 or 3 lists like this and this is the newest version with the resullts in from EPL finals
2019-12-14 23:54
Oh. Just don't like sergej so high. Good list all the way. You kept in mind that Fnatic played so many finals and s1mple #4 since he hasn't played much of top 5. Nice list overall.
2019-12-15 15:19
I put sergej so high because the first half the year he was a MONSTER fragger and he has the most individual accolades of anyone from ENCE this year. Even now hes still their best player, and he has an insane impact rating as well. But he could go down a spot or two after epicenter
2019-12-15 16:02
#44
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India ROFLaala 
Great job mate. Cheers! Jw bestest still.
2019-12-15 00:02
#45
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United States sorcrcrc 
Stewie2k #20 hahahahah more like #200
2019-12-15 00:03
he has 6 EVP's which is why he could be in contention for #20, but he is very inconsistent and i dont think he will make the list
2019-12-15 16:02
#46
mixwell | 
France Kweyy 
I really think hunter can be in top 20 this year
2019-12-15 00:05
lmao no way. Fucking eco fragger, always baiting AmaNEk and doing best roles.
2019-12-15 15:20
#55
mixwell | 
France Kweyy 
Do you suffer from mental illness
2019-12-15 16:59
your mom does not me. Yesterday she sucked my balls instead of my dick. smh....
2019-12-15 17:47
#88
mixwell | 
France Kweyy 
You’re indian you play with poop and worship cows.
2019-12-15 21:20
yep and your mom does too. If we weren't, how would you be born?
2019-12-15 21:53
#52
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Denmark Quientus 
Its difficult to take this serious, when people makes list and not putting Dev1ce at #1 ... Simple ? Please, achieved nothing and gets higher rating mostly against inferior opponents Zywoo ? What ? “But he carries, bl.a. bl.a.” People that put Zywoo ahead of Device this year know nothing about CS or how it is supposed to be played ... Again, Vitality in general plays against much weaker teams than Astralis do ...
2019-12-15 16:30
thats what they said last year.... But I honestly think either can take it, if ZywOo gets MVP at epicenter he is n1 if he performs horribly he gets 2
2019-12-15 20:20
#53
byali | 
Poland j4k4r 
good list, but might change after epicenter
2019-12-15 16:46
I'm going to make one after all the EVPs come out after EPICENTER as the final prediction for the year
2019-12-15 20:23
Awesome list.
2019-12-15 16:47
thank you kind sir
2019-12-15 20:23
0/8 S1mple will take another top 1
2019-12-15 17:04
I dont think he can but who knows
2019-12-15 20:22
#57
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Kazakhstan despard 
That’s a lot of effort, bump
2019-12-15 17:10
Thank you sir
2019-12-15 20:22
I think it's a really good list overall I put ofc KennyS as 20
2019-12-15 17:18
thats why theres a tie :) you can pick who you think should get on there
2019-12-15 20:22
dupreeh is the mvp of blast pro series global final and you wrote 0 mvp
2019-12-15 17:50
check date
2019-12-15 20:19
#63
Xyp9x | 
Brazil Ninjz 
Glaive will be there, have MVP. And I think Jame will be there too.
2019-12-15 17:50
but his overall rating this year is barely above 1.0, its like stewie who has 5 or 6 EVP's but only 1.05 rating. Jame maybe but he has 1 EVP and 1 LAN final and 1 LAN victory with almost no big event maps played and only had 2 relevant tournaments the whole year
2019-12-15 20:21
#90
Xyp9x | 
Brazil Ninjz 
I know that the rating of Glaive is not too good but the MVP and 6 trophies, considering that are 2 Majors, will let him to the top 20 I think. Jame I'am not sure.
2019-12-15 21:48
I think he isnt gonna make it, have you ever seen anyone with a 1.04 rating make a top 20? Last year he was actually amazing as an individual and had a 1.10 or 11 rating iirc. also by that logic with trophies, then why didnt Fifflaren make it in 2013 even though his team went 87-0?
2019-12-15 22:20
It must have taken alot of time to do this , I really appreciate that , also I really like your top 20!
2019-12-15 20:23
thank you kind sir
2019-12-15 20:23
Np , I love to discuss with others cs go passionate people :) btw I'm just curious , what are evps my friend?
2019-12-15 20:27
basically after an event an MVP is awarded but HLTV also awards EVP's for exceptionally valuable players like this from last years IEM sydney hltv.org/news/23556/iem-sydney-the-evps
2019-12-15 20:32
where tarik?
2019-12-15 20:23
0.
2019-12-15 20:23
assuming that means above god
2019-12-15 20:25
yes
2019-12-15 20:27
Elige, Device > s1mple? How in the world?
2019-12-15 20:23
agreed tarik is best
2019-12-15 20:25
assuming your not gonna bait me into saying s1mple top 1, ElIGE has 3 MVP's and a ton of event victories and a ton of maps played. He also has 5 (soon to be 7) EVP's. Device has a major MVP and 2 others and won two majors this year with a lot EVP's s1mple has 1 MVP and 3 (soon to be 4) EVP's and even though he has a higher rating i cant justify him any higher
2019-12-15 20:25
Rating - that's what matters the most. Rating > MVP If MVP's matters - device should've been #1 in 2018, but no. There's no doubt that s1mple will be higher than this 2.
2019-12-16 15:14
Um theres is a KEY difference between this year and last year, last year NaVi was a top 3 team the whole year and s1mple had like 5 or 6 MVP's and he had .1 higher rating than anyone else at big events and broke every record device had 7 or 8 cant remember but 2 MVP difference when both got so many is irrelevant and thats why he got #1 this year he only has 1 MVP and not even a ton of EVP's when device has a Major MVP and 2 others and his team is much better than s1mple's team this year which does count because playoff rating and final rating is important in the list. I think s1mple and ElIGE can go either way and i wouldnt complain, but ZywOo and device are on a higher tier this time. and MVP's are just as important as rating, then EVP's, then maps played in finals playoffs big events etc, then tournament wins. If Rating > MVP then why wasn't KennyS #1 of 2014?
2019-12-16 15:55
0/8
2019-12-15 20:24
What does Lan Finals mean?
2019-12-15 21:28
Team made the Finals of a LAN event, like the major or a cs_summit or whatever
2019-12-16 15:55
Device has 5 lan wins and 2 lan finals. How can this be possible?
2019-12-16 17:24
if you win a LAN it doesnt count as a LAN final because you won the title and you didnt just make the final and lose
2019-12-16 17:29
i dont remember device losing 2 lan finals this year yeah indeed it is 3 lul i think, you didnt count ibp masters
2019-12-16 17:38
ESL One New York, Blast Madrid vs EG and ENCE respectively
2019-12-16 17:38
and there is ibp which they lost to liquid
2019-12-16 17:39
I literally forgot about that lol, i counted it for liquid because i know they won it but i forgot astralis even went lol thanks for the correction
2019-12-16 17:39
np at first i couldn't rly remember esl one new york and blast then checked astralis' events. So i accidentally corrected you :D
2019-12-16 17:46
haha, I went off memory and for some weird reason I forgot about IBP Masters other than the fact Liquid won it. welp we all make mistakes
2019-12-16 17:47
#92
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Europe Schizophrenx 
dupreeh will be higher I believe, also he was mvp at blast finals?
2019-12-15 21:58
check date this was made before the MVP was given out from BLAST finals thats why it says POST EPL because i made it after EPL
2019-12-16 15:56
#100
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Ukraine w1nth 
How would s1mple end up below EliGE with +0.08 rating advantage? And don't say 'MVPs and EVPs', device won a LOT of those, yet still ended up #2 because s1mple had like a +0.09 rating advantage over device.
2019-12-16 15:58
Well the difference is device had more MVP's but s1mple had only 2 less and since they each had 6 or 8 the difference isnt huge but when you have 1 MVP vs 3 it is huge and the fact that s1mple has only been in 1 LAN grand final the whole year means he has barely and stats for grand finals, meanwhile ElIGE has amazing playoff stats through the whole year, but since s1mple doesn't go to as many events and crashes out in groupstages with NaVi sometimes it hurts his overall countability in stats. he also only has 4 EVP's and soon to be 5, compared to EliGEs soon to be 6 or 7 which gives him Another advantage ElIGE also has higher ADR, better placements, same impact rating. And other not so important stats that he leads in include, Total kills, total assists, assists per round, headshot stats (though s1mple was an awper so it has no difference), total opening kills, opening kills per round. He wouldn't be leading in these categories or placing higher than s1mple, if s1mple had actually had more of an impact than last year. but in the end i think its SUPER close between them you can pick s1mple ahead but I just choose ElIGE
2019-12-16 17:37
After champion Cup Kenny rating higher
2019-12-16 17:53
GamerLegion
1.39
ALTERNATE aTTaX
2.88
Tricked
2.32
SKADE
1.60
KOVA
1.92
Apeks
1.77
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