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Why Liquid will never beat Astralis
JZFB | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina mirzach0W 
cuz of their poor map pool. they played 3 matches against astralis and in all 3 of them they picked/banned same maps and all 3 they lost. how do you think to beat astralis on inferno and nuke?
2019-12-14 18:45
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+1 also astralis is literally more firepower device > elige magisk = naf dupreeh > bot2k xyp9x > twistzz gla1ve >>>>>> nitr0 in iq and stats
2019-12-14 18:47
dupreeh >> twistzz xyp9x >> bot2k
2019-12-14 18:48
twistzz is support now lol still true tho +1
2019-12-14 18:48
xyp and stew both have bottom frag role mens
2019-12-14 18:49
LUL still better than both bot2k and twistzz
2019-12-14 18:50
+11111111111
2019-12-14 18:51
However Xyp rarely is actually a bottomfragger and when he is, he has a positive KD
2019-12-17 13:49
exactly, either that or he gets impact frags
2019-12-17 15:24
#5
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Denmark simple_0_major 
+1 Finally an american acknowledging the truth
2019-12-14 18:49
ty men))) it hurts to watch elige and naf carry 3 bots every map
2019-12-14 18:50
Nitr0 is not that bad. Just in a bad slump rn. But they desperately need -stew
2019-12-14 18:51
yea nobody can really replace nitr0 cus na igl market is LUL stewie tho 4 kills lmfao and 2 are eco kills
2019-12-14 18:51
NA does not have any godtier igl's because everyone in that region wants to be a pugstar carrying the team and no one focuses on strats
2019-12-14 18:53
actually +1 lmao just look at tenz and co. obo is prob the only promising na talent rn with a good iq
2019-12-14 19:01
Stan isnt that bad
2019-12-14 18:59
stan is proven to be a one trick pony. 1-2 tourneys won and then becomes shit proof: look at every team hes been on
2019-12-14 19:00
Im trying to be nice haha
2019-12-14 19:01
ty dane))) but no need even we na fans know how bad our region is outside naf and elige lmao
2019-12-14 19:03
Oh cmon you had a good run the beginning of the year
2019-12-14 19:04
#55
ropz | 
United States VadeCS 
-stew +godimatic
2019-12-17 15:33
Actually individually liquid is better than Astralis. The problem is that Astralis practices so much until they perfectionists something. For instance just see the way they use their utilities. The other problem for liquid is that they dont have proper awp player
2019-12-14 18:51
its really not because bot2k is actually so shit and twistzz just has raw aim and maybe half of any astralis players iq id say if liquid was always on fire like during the summer they would have more firepower
2019-12-14 18:53
In general I agree with you. Imo: first naf should never touch awp again (im not referring to today’s game but in general). Second there should be more practice (especially using the utilities). And third elige as the brainiest player should help on igl-ing along with nitro
2019-12-14 18:58
elige igl would compromise his fragging so hard. what they need is to get rid of stew since they have twistzz on support now. polish got bntet would literally be a perfect fix and would add a lot more firepower too. if nitr0s back to being a fragger he can easily put up good numbers
2019-12-14 18:59
Im a pro player myself and I can tell you one thing from my experience: if you have low mouse sensitivity like twistzz its really difficult to be entry. I would remove stewie or even naf (although many will disagree with this) and bring in an awp player such is: poizon, jamppi, zoree, or even zywoo (this is possible knowing how rich liquid is)
2019-12-14 19:09
#51
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United Kingdom _xC4ctus 
nice, remove americanoes and bring eu's nice job. 0iq
2019-12-17 13:26
Cerq is bulgarian, you know? Blamef is danish you know? You know nothing
2019-12-17 15:23
#18
kennyS | 
Switzerland loanbis 
Liquid isn't better individually, if it was the case Liquid would even out Astralis
2019-12-14 18:55
Even if you bring together zywoo, simple, ropz, cerq, breehze etc there is a possibility they wont defeat Astralis. This is a result on how much you fit to the system of the team, how much you practice, the ego of the players, coach etc
2019-12-14 19:02
#37
kennyS | 
Switzerland loanbis 
Yes maybe, Astralis general strategy and coordination among all players is unparalleled
2019-12-14 19:07
#13
JZFB | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina mirzach0W 
it doesn't matter, mouz hasn't got better firepower but they win bcs they picked right maps, they knew they'll lost overpass, but their train and dust was good enough to won.
2019-12-14 18:52
#14
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Sweden wyv0 
magisk >>>>> NAF
2019-12-14 18:52
nah theyre even, naf actually really good
2019-12-14 18:53
#19
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Sweden wyv0 
magisk best player on Astralis right now, NAF isn't best on Liquid, it's ELiGE
2019-12-14 18:55
naf easily second best on liquid and thats just not true, device is still better. tho magisk is just as good at rifling for sure
2019-12-14 18:58
#26
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Sweden wyv0 
second best on Liquid, that's what I said. YES magisk is best on Astralis these last 3 tournaments they have been playing, Device overall this year is obviously best player.
2019-12-14 19:01
ok agreed there. also nafs numbers are good. never said he was best on liquid tho(((
2019-12-14 19:02
#34
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Sweden wyv0 
you didn't sorry
2019-12-14 19:04
#39
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United Kingdom Pandify_Denje 
Device > elige? Sorry man ...even as hardcore Astralis fan , i cant agree with this. Elige mechanics/raw skill is higher than device. Device is still has great aim tho , dont get me wrong but i dont know... its just something i cant really explain. Like , Magisk and Dupreeh shines more with pistols/rifles imo and are more enjoyable to watch. Especially dupreeh , his aim is so damn good.
2019-12-14 19:08
+1
2019-12-14 18:50
in my opinion is because that ast have better players like naf > the entire ast team the entire ast team > nitro bot2k elige twistz yes and their map pool sucks
2019-12-14 19:00
#38
JZFB | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina mirzach0W 
then how mouz won? woxic < device karrigan < gla1ve chris, frozen < dupreeh, magisk ropz > xyp9x
2019-12-14 19:08
#42
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United Kingdom Pandify_Denje 
Xyp9x > chrisj/karrigan Pleeeeeese men))) dont compare support to mouz best (star) player. If so , brain : xyp9x > ropz
2019-12-14 19:10
#48
JZFB | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina mirzach0W 
ropz is lurker xyp9x is lurker ropz is star player xyp9x is not im not guilty cuz u jealous
2019-12-14 19:38
they won because they were smoking weed just that in my mind
2019-12-17 13:23
#56
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Netherlands meneertjesem 
Cuz they're over preforming And Astralis choke I like mouz but they shouldn’t have won any of the 3 tournaments they won. It’s momentum and over preforming
2019-12-17 15:39
#57
JZFB | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina mirzach0W 
so? they won them without any luck (like flukevangar). sometimes you must overperform to win tournaments.
2019-12-17 15:41
furia > ast
2019-12-14 19:01
If you think astralias has more fire power than liquid you're kidding yourself. Astralias win on team work and confidence, they also make very little mistakes.
2019-12-14 19:09
#41
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United States sorcrcrc 
+1
2019-12-14 19:09
#44
Puls3 | 
World bigb1rd 
This. Especially the confidence thing though, we saw exactly the same when NìP were dominating the French and everyone else back in the day and when Fnatic were destroying the French and everyone else too. Confidence and a strong mental game is key. They also play so carefully and so smart, every single player. There's no Stewie or smooya making stupid plays and they're constantly readjusting and only playing aggressive when they know exactly how the situation should play out.
2019-12-14 19:13
#45
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United Kingdom Pandify_Denje 
Confidence has plays huge role tbh. Yet dont underestimate Astralis firepower , just because all of them play so good , often people dont consider them as very good indivduals. I , myself forget about how good they are , like when you ask me "best top10 aimers" i'd most likely not include any of Astralis even tho Dupreeh definitely belongs there , he's easily top10 aimer atm.
2019-12-14 19:14
it is because stew's brain cant handle more than 2-3 maps lulw
2019-12-14 19:07
Twistzz is playing shit a lot now, stewie2bot was already shit and elige is the only player to play consistently and NAF is no.2 on the team, adreN and nitro should decide and boost their map pool so that they can even try to do something positive. At this point it's just a worthless attempt to go and participate in the tournaments where astralis is playing
2019-12-14 19:12
#46
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United Kingdom Pandify_Denje 
Twistzz is more of a support player now..dont even know why that happened. This kid is born for a star player yet for some reason he stepped back to support. Stewie and his inability to frag has to be support , twistzz mechanics are on whole another level , so sad....
2019-12-14 19:16
nitro 200iq IGL : twistzz entry liquid top 1 stewie entry liquid 4th place
2019-12-14 19:17
they havne't had the time to prepare between november and december. But still it's retarded to play the same map pool all the time.
2019-12-14 19:39
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