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Dev1ce GOAT of CSGO
device | 
Mexico SiulKrad 
2014: TOP 20 2015: TOP 3 2016: TOP 3 2017: TOP 5 2018: TOP 2 2019: TOP 1 /closed
2019-12-14 23:38
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#1
device | 
Denmark Nate2Aid 
Can hope but think ZywOo gets it this year
2019-12-14 23:39
It could go either way
2019-12-14 23:40
#5
device | 
Denmark Nate2Aid 
Yea we'll see
2019-12-14 23:41
device ecofragger xaxaxa
2019-12-16 16:12
You are entitled to your opinion ofc
2019-12-16 17:29
#199
device | 
India lyncix 
If it were so easy, anybody could just eco frag and keep a 1.2+ rating every year. >ecofragger >baiter Haters keep using these for every good player I swear.
2019-12-17 22:55
#209
NEO | 
Poland kola5410 
Yep, it's not silver game to have easy kills on Eco, anyway >1.2 rating no matter what is very impressive score
2019-12-18 08:23
#221
device | 
India lyncix 
+1
2019-12-18 19:15
#276
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Canada SureThingM8 
Its easier when you're on the best team m8 lol
2019-12-31 23:06
#216
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Finland tiktoklover 
kid
2019-12-18 15:38
#232
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb 
its clear zywoo
2019-12-20 13:19
In my head it is as welll Hltv can be rather unpredictable though
2019-12-20 13:40
#235
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb 
device might get top 2 over s1mple.but top 1, not a chance.
2019-12-20 13:40
I'd say zywoo isn't even in the top 3
2019-12-15 01:57
#73
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Denmark Cleandog 
Unfortunately hltv only look at raw stats, not the context of the stats. Zywo0 will get it.
2019-12-15 07:22
only? He got most MVP this year
2019-12-17 10:38
#204
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Portugal DeviphZ 
against tier 3/4 teams...
2019-12-18 06:48
what you mean against? He was MVP in tournament against Liquid, played them in 2 BO3 He was MVP in tournament with Astralis, ECS, he was MVP in cologne with Liquid in Bo5 final, where he played Astralis in BO3 semi final and wrecked them Then MVP in final vs Fnatic He also has best stats against top 5 teams,1.29 no one is close
2019-12-18 07:26
+1
2019-12-18 08:20
#210
NEO | 
Poland kola5410 
Yep. Only thing that can save device is double major and amount of trophies (6 big events overall)
2019-12-18 08:25
#233
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb 
trophies don't anything.otherwise taco and pronax would have been in top 20.its about individual performance only.
2019-12-20 13:20
#236
NEO | 
Poland kola5410 
but we all know that taco never was as good as dev1ce, and pronax just sucked
2019-12-20 14:42
#237
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb 
i can give you another 2 examples then.coldzera in 2018. he didn't won any relevent events.but he was top 10 over xyp9x because of better rating and enough mvp/evps.This time zywoo and device has similar number of mvp/evps and zywoo has way way better rating than device. device may ale to catch upto s1mple with his mvp/evp but not zywoo. hltv.y0fl0w.de/hltv_mvp_evp_2019#ranking
2019-12-20 14:45
#267
NEO | 
Poland kola5410 
You're right, but I was talking about that amount of trophies is only dev1ce's advantage over zywoo, I didn't say that it will be enough
2019-12-22 10:47
#223
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Portugal DeviphZ 
I've come to the conclusion that any of our argument is kinda wrong but kinda right at the same place. 1. Astralis doesn't need device to win games, he can have a bad performance and astralis can still have a chance of winning the game, or at least way more chances than vitality. 2. Vitality is a team that has a strat that allows zywoo to kill and go after kills, making him the main fragger of the team and also the carrier, and zywoo being a guy that has alot of frags, also has a lot of impact, KAST, and overall rating. So basically, is zywoo > device? I don't know, I don't care. do they have the same playstyle? not at all... so how can you compare both? well you can't, so in the end yeah sure, zywoo is the best player of 2019. But never in your life expect that device would have the same ratings as zywoo, it's impossible.
2019-12-19 02:10
zywoo best stats vs top5 teams
2019-12-17 12:19
Nope, maybe elige not zywoo
2019-12-15 02:42
#90
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Ireland Jchmcgovern 
+1
2019-12-15 19:59
#53
chrisJ | 
Denmark cOcun9 
There is no way Zywoo is over device, device has played 3 times as many games in 2019. And has faced way better teams than Zywoo, just looking at them side by side it's obvious that device is over Zywoo, i think he is top 5 i think Elige is ranked higher as an example
2019-12-15 02:50
Yea hope you right but have a feeling he gets it anyway we will see tho
2019-12-15 10:13
hltv.org/stats?startDate=2019-01-01&endD.. klaphat dansker.. 109 maps vs 126.. and zywo will play epicenter and reach 120 I think Zywoo 4 mvp
2019-12-17 10:39
Ingen grund til at kalde mig det Det er bare en fornemmelse af at de er ligeglade med de maps kun ser stats håber du har ret
2019-12-17 12:09
ok sorry but yeah, zywoo has played almost the same amount of big event maps Zywoo played so little in this autmn, so its easy to miss but he played more than asralis in the spring if he play 10 + maps now he has 120 as well
2019-12-17 12:26
I dont disagree I honestly dont care Who gets it i think when Zywoo plays there is this aura where as long as he is Alive everything can happen aint always like that with device
2019-12-17 14:47
#225
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Greece NitrouZ 
totally agreed.
2019-12-19 11:37
#252
chrisJ | 
Denmark cOcun9 
Svenskere :DD Device har spillet 3 gange så mange maps som Zywoo har mester, når vi snakker om end of year top 20 så er det hele årets performance, og der er ingen der rør device sorry, din matematik er ikke helt god, men Zywoo er der oppe også, men s1mple har 0.01 kdr mindre end Zywoo og spillet dobbelt så mange maps....
2019-12-20 19:56
För mange tuborg ikveld mand hahahahahaha zywoo har spillet 114 big event maps og device har spillet 126 er det big differen mand hahaha klaphat elige har spillet 147 så då må vi ge elige #1? 114 eller 126, doesnt matter det er zywoo som ska bli #1 efter epicenter har zywoo spillet 120, device 126 ok je, svenskere har då blivit top 1 3 ganger, gtr 2x olof 1x og Danemark 0
2019-12-20 21:28
#259
chrisJ | 
Denmark cOcun9 
læs igen kamerat er der virkelig så koldt der oppe at brillerne dugger til? Det handler om alle maps hele årets performance ikke big events, det er sådan HLTV top 20 altid har været kørt siden den første gang
2019-12-20 23:19
Zywoo har spillet 180 LAN maps 2019, Device har spillet 146 okkkkkkkkkkk
2019-12-20 23:35
klaphat mand.. svårt og checke stats mand? hltv.org/stats?startDate=2019-01-01&endD.. device spillet 126, zywoo 109 og zywoo spiller epicenter og får nok 120 maps
2019-12-17 10:39
zywoo 1.28 rating vs top5 teams 1500 rounds device 1.19 rating vs top 5 teams 2200 rounds vs good teams zywoo is the best in the world
2019-12-17 12:22
That stat right there suck tho thatss like 700 rounds difference ofc he got better kdr
2019-12-17 19:24
what you men ofc? pretty sure he would keep that up over 700 more Device probably didnt have 1.28 after 1500 rounds, he actually had less and improved the last months, at summer device only had 1.15 vs top 5 or something like that
2019-12-20 21:29
pretty sure tho is not a fact can be used its not like kjaerbye who had insane stats at berlin major could be considered mvp cause he "probably" could hold same kd, no unless its close in maps its not a clear stat.. just my thought you got your right to have yours but 700 is too big lol im not saying device cleat top 1 at all just that stat right there seems useless only delusional ppl would think its usable
2019-12-20 23:28
It is useable in the fact that zywoo almost kept his 1.30 rating even against the top 5 he played like 116 maps, and 50 against top 5, thats like 40 % of all big event maps against top 5 and he held his rating sure device played more against top 5, 70 maps' But there is no argument that "Zywoo boosted his stats against shit teams" he didnt, cause in 40 % of his maps are aginast top 5 and he kept his rating in that sense it is useable
2019-12-20 23:47
I did not say he was shit I think he is insane i purely meant in the comparing which that gap you have to be critical Even tho he definitely could hold same rating with those 1500 but as it stands written i think its too unrealistic but aint his fault he havent played more maps ofc
2019-12-22 18:03
#251
chrisJ | 
Denmark cOcun9 
Thanks for proving my points, read your comment again and do the math, he has alot more games vs top 5 teams, it's like comparing someone with 10 games to someone with 50 you just can't do that, device has litterally only played good teams since they don't ever need to play qualifiers as they are invited to all events,
2019-12-20 19:41
No it's not, the difference between 50 games and 10 games is huge Thats 5 times as much the difference betwen 50 maps and 70 is not huge, learn math please. only 1.4 times as much Device has played like 40 % more maps against top 5 sure, it is a difference but device didnt have zywoos rating against top 5 after 50 maps either its kinda hard to change your rating after that many maps zywoo would for sure be 1.25 + if he played 70 maps vs top 5 just like device
2019-12-20 21:31
#260
chrisJ | 
Denmark cOcun9 
It was an example you idiot, why do dimwits take things litteral.... Poor human communication skills.... Zywoo 500 maps device 1500 maps enough said, and device has a way better team around him that can stand up for themselves, unlike zywoo that at times seems to be alone.
2019-12-20 23:23
The example was just retarded, so ofc you take it literal, why even say 50 vs 10 when its 50 vs 70? You literally said "Its like comparing 50 vs 10". Just write what it is and dont pull stupid shit out of your ass If you make examples, make good ones with facts, examples are all about facts Zywoo 500 maps, device 1500 what? Do you mean rounds? I doubht device has 3x more rounds against top 5 in big events Also device having a better team means he wins more rounds, and has awp more often and spends less times on ecos
2019-12-20 23:50
Device will never be a top1 player he is consistent top5 player at min but never best
2019-12-17 17:31
I am entitled to agree but never say never tho
2019-12-17 19:24
#3
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United Kingdom Morgan61231251 
2018 i would say top 5
2019-12-14 23:41
#4
Xyp9x | 
Brazil Ninjz 
4 Majors, 2 Majors MVPs, 15 MVPs, 20+ trophies. ofc he is the GOAT
2019-12-14 23:41
#16
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Sweden XenoRex 
+1
2019-12-15 00:12
+1
2019-12-15 00:56
+1
2019-12-16 10:50
astralis good team but device ecofragger xaxaxa
2019-12-16 16:12
+1 its so obvious and no one is close
2019-12-16 23:23
#152
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Australia flashi 
xaxaxa s1mple 1v1 ez bend over the counter for mr oloxandor
2019-12-17 10:38
#167
Xyp9x | 
Brazil Ninjz 
The game isnt't of 1v1 Simple need to camp to win against NBK But nt
2019-12-17 12:29
HAHAHA Still lost 13-5 without the help of his better teammates 🤷🏿‍♂️
2019-12-20 15:47
#249
Xyp9x | 
Brazil Ninjz 
nt electronic
2019-12-20 18:15
csgo: 1vs1 = 0 IQ
2019-12-20 21:54
Oh look another mad ecovice fanboi. No 4 top20 teammates much more superior than ecovice will ever be and he can’t do shit :)
2019-12-20 23:47
#171
NiKo | 
Croatia mimi031 
His team won him those mvps he didnt carry Anybody cuz they play perfect like a team and the game should be played like that. On the other hand, s1mple won every event for navi on his own litteraly. device will never know the feeling of carrying your team.
2019-12-17 15:38
#174
Xyp9x | 
Brazil Ninjz 
Device are part of the creation of that team, since TSM, dignitas, etc. Dosen't matter if simple have high rating or somenthing if he can't play as a team to win tournemants. If someday simple get this achievements we can consider him the GOAT, otherwise no. The game is to win and get trophies. Device has a super team? Yes, but he was a crucial part that possibilite the existence of this Astralis. Astralis is the best team, and Device the best in there, and with this MVPs, he is the GOAT.
2019-12-17 16:58
#176
NiKo | 
Croatia mimi031 
Lol no, Magisk is their best player. He gets to play worst position were he is alone,and still puts the numbers. People cant see that cuz all they think is device top 1. If device played magisk position he wouldnt get 10 kills in a map.
2019-12-17 17:15
#177
Xyp9x | 
Brazil Ninjz 
Magisk is great, but 2018-2019. Device is great since 2014. And the game is for the team, each one have your own role.
2019-12-17 17:23
#178
NiKo | 
Croatia mimi031 
2018 astralis era started,and he is not given credit he deserves. Its easy to statpad with awp behind everybody. He is consistent always.
2019-12-17 17:26
#180
Xyp9x | 
Brazil Ninjz 
I didn't say Magisk is not good. All 5 in Astralis are super players. But what I said is, if device didn't made he's way, this team probably will not exist.
2019-12-17 17:28
#185
NiKo | 
Croatia mimi031 
Device already played with xyp9x duphree. With addition of glaive and magisk they became super team.
2019-12-17 17:35
And if you put Magisk in device's positions he would flounder. Device is the most consistent player on Astralis, possibly in the game, and has proven to be an extremely versatile player. Definitely the best player on his team, there is a reason he gets the MVPs most of the time.
2019-12-18 08:18
#211
NiKo | 
Croatia mimi031 
Awp easiest weapon to learn,if u gave him a time to learn it he wouldnt be like device but decent. Astralis started dominating when glaive and magisk joined btw. When he won his 1st major without them, kjaerbye was mvp and carried them he was a beast back then.
2019-12-18 10:33
Kjaerbye was mvp because of the final and hardly carried. In fact I'm pretty sure device had a higher tournament rating, just had a bad final series
2019-12-19 00:39
#224
NiKo | 
Croatia mimi031 
Yea sure keep telling that to yourself. If device had better rating he would be mvp
2019-12-19 11:34
Why question something so easily verifiable and look like an idiot? Eleague Atlanta where kjaerbye got mvp: hltv.org/stats?event=2471 IEM Katowice where Magisk got mvp: hltv.org/stats?event=3883
2019-12-19 16:33
You're acting like it's good to have 3 incapable idiots in your team that need to be carried hard to be relevant. Device could be a carry if he had bad teammates, but he has a sick team around him that can win by themselves.
2019-12-20 15:35
#253
NiKo | 
Croatia mimi031 
Are u sure about that? Cuz his first major win he got carried by kjaerbye, when magisk and glavie came they started to win majors. If he could carry a team alone he would have results before his 1st major
2019-12-20 20:04
He only got carried in the final. Device was much better throughout all of the tournament.
2019-12-21 00:20
+1
2019-12-17 17:55
-1
2019-12-14 23:42
#7
device | 
Mexico SiulKrad 
why?
2019-12-14 23:43
#9
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Because any one with a brain knows device is a eco fragger and a camper, but since you're blind to this you think Device is goat Ik im going to get hate for this comment, don't bother trying to argue with me.
2019-12-14 23:50
camper in csgo? hahahahaha 0 iq myfriend, bye
2019-12-14 23:55
#13
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
See what I mean friend, people like you are blind asf
2019-12-15 00:01
CT: RUSH AND RUSH IN CSGO, NO CAMPERS
2019-12-15 00:10
#18
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
What... 0IQ much All Device does is hold a angle.... It works for him so theres no need to stop doing it. But you saying he is goat is just not true
2019-12-15 00:14
csgo: Brain and Skills = Dev1ce 15 MVPs, 4 Majors 2 Majors MVP = ecofragger camper LUL bye myfriend 0iq
2019-12-15 00:17
#47
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Hes a ecofragger and a camper, doesn't mean he won't win games. as I said its working for him.
2019-12-15 02:28
#131
f0rest | 
United States veasih 
You are based in the achievements to say he’s the best, 0iq We have f0rest dude. love u <3 #nohomo
2019-12-17 03:44
Just so i understand, he is a eco fragger and camper, by holding angles?, i mean like, if he has the AWP, ofc he will hold angles, if he has a AK also, he goes for the win, alot of players hold angles, because, why bother trying to fight the enemy when you have a easier way to win? EDIT: So like, he isnt the GOAT because he holds angles as you said. That just doesnt make sense, you can be GOAT by pushing and taking fights vs enemies like s1mple, cerq, twistzz, elige etc do, or you play it smart and still become the GOAT.
2019-12-15 00:27
#50
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
IF you're like device that he can only play angles he can't be a goat, If you're a goat you actually have to be skillful, so yes, S1mple or zywoo. is the GOAT of csgo but Forest is the goat of CS
2019-12-15 02:35
Uhm, wut? No, as i said, there are two ways of being GOAT; playing like simple, or like device. You dont have to swing every corner and one tap everyone like simple does. S1mple & Zywoo have insane aim, thats why they entry most of the time, device is main awp, thats why he awps, do you even watch the matches? EDIT: Example: Liquid, they were on #1 for i think 6 months, their Aim on every player is insane, just good. But Astralis is better, why?, because they use the smart way, they use smart strats, play smart, and hold angles. Liquid also has/had smart strats, but in these 6months, most of their strats based on, how ELIGE or someone else entrys.
2019-12-15 03:08
#61
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
I will say it again. Being a smart player than eco frags and camps. (device) doesn't contend them for being a goat, yes maybe a goat for being a eco frsgger and a camper. But not anything else.
2019-12-15 04:22
Yeah, it doesnt matter, i brought up good arguments. But you just dislike device and hate him for being successful and just a great Player. I admit, in the last matches he played, he wasnt very good, but ignore that and look up all the other games he had in the last YEARS. EDIT: I forgot to say, you clearly cant read, he is MAIN AWP, ofc he has to hold angles, if you push with the AWP, then you are just bad in csgo and have no knowledge of the game at all. Should he run around and try to noscope ppl 24/7?, no, because he is AWPer, and if you do have knowledge about this game, you would know that your accuracy with the AWP while moving, gets bad. /closed
2019-12-15 13:39
#91
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
No, I don't hate device, no you have no sense, no your arguments are not good at all. So im guessing. Every single awper in csgo is trash then and device is the only good one. And again. Your knowledge of the game is literally nothing. But as I always say. It's working for device and astralis so there's no point changing his ways. Im judt pointing out he can't be a toast for what he does.
2019-12-15 21:40
Excuse me?, like, i'm starting to think that you are trying to bait. I never said every AWPer is trash, but a AWP is a Sniper, you cant run out like its the SG and just hope to kill everyone. But tbh, i just think youre dumb af. I'll let you think whatever you want /closed
2019-12-16 14:49
Thats the thing, I don't think. I state facts. And Device isn't as skilled as you think he is. Sorry to say it. But all he does is camp. and eco frag. Think what you want, but thats the truth
2019-12-16 23:20
#161
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Denmark Kon10R 
I see you guys repeating yourselves over and over but you both seem to overlook the fact, that Dev1ce is part of a TEAM! The other awp'ers go for some flashy individual play which looks cool on tv and the younger generations go wild in awe ... Dev1ce is THE awp'er to study if you want to learn how to do it. It is always "correct", but not necessarily "oooh" and "aaaah". He may not care too much about mvp or goat or any of that sort. He just wants to WIN. Which he does and has done. Best player in the world? Yeah, fine. A LOT of hltv users seem to be OBSESSED with this topic. Best TEAM in the world? Ask ANY desk, commentator, pro player, coach ...
2019-12-17 12:17
He is definitely NOT the person you want to look up to. Yes he does work in a team im not denying it. But when you guys say he is the goat that's when you become fucking retarded and delusional. Stop being so biased and realise device isn't as good as you think he is. I guareentee if device was on another team he would crumble and be as trash as fucking daps
2019-12-17 12:28
#168
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Denmark Kon10R 
You "guarantee" ... okay. I actually didn't say he is the goat. He is THE one to STUDY (not "look up to" which is a biased emotion) if you want to LEARN how to awp: ALWAYS "correct" play and decisions, but not "flashy" like KennyS, S1mple, Cerg, Zywoo etc. I'm just pointing out that he just wants to WIN with his TEAM, where individual stats are for the "flashy fastest guns in the West" that looks soooo cool ... (to some)
2019-12-17 12:36
Omg, im not saying 'you' in particular but people like you who say he is goat. He is NOT the one to study. If you want to learn how to Awp choose someone who KNOWS how to use it and not JUST hold angles. Im just pointing out Device isnt as skilled as you think he is... Im not saying he is trash. But I am also not saying he is skilled, because in reality he isnt SKILLED at all.
2019-12-17 22:40
#198
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Denmark Kon10R 
I juzz wonder why YOU point out that he is "just holding angles, camping and/or eco-frag" ... When the desks, commentators, analysts, experts and pro-players and coaches are saying otherwise. He IS part of the "player of the year" discussion, right?! One wonders why ... if he was just an average Silver as you try to make him look like. "Goat" on an individual level is just for the puppy dogs in here. Izz juzz not important. He's part of a TEAM! On top: He is probably THE most CONSISTENT player despite having ups'n'downs juzz like all of us. NO OTHER top contestant can show what HE has achieved with his team the last couple of years. Individually? Player of the year? Yeah, fine. Guess, Dev1ce can live with that with FOUR MAJORS in the closet because of his TEAM !!!. Zywoo and S1mple will receive the price with some interesting thoughts in their minds ...
2019-12-17 22:54
GTFO dude. Device certainly is a guy everyone should learn from if they want to AWP. He is very good at it because of his positioning, movement etc. And he certainly isn't just capable of holding an angle. Even if he was rifling, he'd still be top 5. Just look at 2015 best players, device was also at a certain point of that year the best player in the world and his role was the second entry. So STFU.
2019-12-20 15:40
#162
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Denmark Kon10R 
See 161 above.
2019-12-17 12:17
I agree with you, and i tried answering with the same text as you did, but i chose to answer differently. And after 2x of telling him whats the deal, he kept on saying the stuff that he said, so i didnt care anymore.
2019-12-17 15:34
#193
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Denmark Kon10R 
Totally understand. Boy ... have I had some fairly stupid debates in here ... And if Zywoo wins the 2019 thingy: No problem. He is young and definitely a great player! But he and everyone else would glance at the trophy closet at Astralis' office ... and they would close their eyes and DREAM! Imagine that: Only Zyp9x doesn't pick up the big gun ... The flexibility of Astralis looks pretty scary for the new season!
2019-12-17 20:42
No, both of you are just blind fan boys that can't see that all Device does is hold angles and eco frag. He is a STAT hunter, he runs away when hes in a 1v2 1v3 1v4 1v5 because he wants his stats to be high.
2019-12-17 22:41
Ah, so, like, he doesnt run away because he knows he cant make the clutch?, or because he knows the teams economy is low?, nice.
2019-12-18 00:08
Because hes not skilled enough. nice try though. Flair Checks out
2019-12-18 00:21
k mate, just go on doing what you do and have fun-
2019-12-18 15:18
You to man, hope you don't go to the next dominant team after astralis like everyone else will :)
2020-01-02 00:17
Did you-, did you just really wrote me back, almost two weeks later, to continue annoying?, damn dude. congrats.
2020-01-02 13:54
#227
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Denmark Kon10R 
And now the "fan boy" card ... ;O) Guess everybody is fan of somebody in here. KennyS? Great player! Absolutely! Maybe your "observation" could be supported by the fact that teams playing against Astralis may have to go for eco rounds more often than against other teams, but naaah ... You seem to be one of only a few who claims this. I haven't heard any desk or expert pointing out anything even remotely similar to your "observation". He is part of the discussion for a REASON. MVP in two Majors should give you a clue ...
2019-12-20 12:58
TBH he should've had 4 major MVPs by now. Statwise he was the best player on Astralis in every single major they won.
2019-12-20 15:42
Device is not part of the discussion, YOU think he is/astralis fans thinks he is. Im not saying Device is Trash and should be kicked, But all im saying is Device can't be GOAT when: 1. His team is #1 2. His team is actually good
2020-01-02 00:17
#132
f0rest | 
United States veasih 
+1
2019-12-17 03:45
+1 He is a stationary awper. No flashy plays definitely not the goat. Eco fragger and camper. He is damn good at it. But when you have a team that plays so well together it isn't all that impressive. As far as mechanical skill he is nowhere near the goat level. The team play of astralis exaggerates his skill.
2020-01-01 23:55
OMFG THANK YOU! I thought I was the only non-delusional person out here!
2020-01-02 00:14
Just holding an angle? Camper? Eco fragger? Please, leave the room, now.
2019-12-15 00:39
#46
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Im not the one that can't accept facts.
2019-12-15 02:27
You didn't say a single fact for me to agree with anything
2019-12-15 23:20
#99
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
Just because you don't agree, doesn't mean its not facts.
2019-12-16 00:21
Just because u think it's facts, doesn't mean it's facts.
2019-12-17 18:04
I don't think its facts. Because it is facts. If its facts, you don't think its facts, why? because its facts. Something no one thats a fan of Astralis gets.
2019-12-17 22:44
In fact, you are having something against a guy who destroyed every superstar and won 4 majors and u don't want to admit that he is the best because greatness to you means flashy plays like s1mple. please, do not go on.
2019-12-31 15:01
Infact if you're going to the greatest of all time you're going to have to be GREAT SKILLFUL PLAYER
2019-12-31 23:02
Dev1ce's playstyle is super skillful, just not flashy and mlg type as s1mple's. The hell are u talking about? Xantares is having the most flashy playstyle and it is super irritating to play against him, do you even dare to say he's better than dev1ce? Just lol.
2020-01-01 19:07
#228
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Denmark Kon10R 
Facts can be shown and proven: Would love to study them! Where can I go examine, study, look for and educate myself?
2019-12-20 13:04
Go sell tacos you brain dead
2019-12-15 02:56
#62
kennyS | 
New Zealand INxNITY 
+1
2019-12-15 04:23
#134
f0rest | 
United States veasih 
+1
2019-12-17 03:48
#130
f0rest | 
United States veasih 
For real
2019-12-17 03:43
1.31 rating eco fragger pick one someones mad about losing their bet on 100t vs astralis lmfao, how much?
2019-12-17 03:53
I don't bet.... And Hes a eco fragger and a camper. Do you not see anything that He runs away so his stats are high. DO YOU not realise that?
2019-12-17 06:44
yes an eco fragger has 1.31 impact if u wanna see highlights watch scream who’s stuck in tier 6, device isn’t flashy. he does what he needs to
2019-12-17 16:37
Yes, I agree. I have always said that it works for device, but when people say hes GOAT that annoys me because obviously he isn't goat when he doesn't have the skill to be goat.
2019-12-17 22:43
#230
zet | 
Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
so who is the GOAT then? was Gretzky the most skilled player? No..but hes considered the GOAT, and rightfully so...not because he carried like LeMieux, who was argueably the most skilled player there ever was...but because he won trophies (he had the best team by far)..and was the best player of that team. same goes for dev1ce: most consistant player of the most consistant team, most trophies, mvps, top5s etc. GOAT =/= most skilled player of all times s1mple is not even close to being the GOAT dev1ce is the GOAT, its not even debateable
2019-12-20 13:15
#229
zet | 
Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
typical brainless silver
2019-12-20 13:05
even if he doesnt get #1 this year and zywoo steals it...being #2 two years in a row is still insane. and he is only what, 23? people were predicting the astralis downfall in 2019 and look where we are now. they keep reinventing this game and adapt to every game better than anyone else. device will get another shot at #1 anyways, you cant get rid of greatness
2019-12-14 23:44
#10
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United States jay_320 
It's not his age I'm concerned about it's Dupreehs. At least in terms of the team. Nothing to do with Device though. Even if Zywoo is number one this year it doesn't change the fact that Device is CSGO's goat. It was true last year and this year has just sealed it as far as I'm concerned. Five years from now people can argue that players like Simple, Elige, Twistzz (probably?), Zywoo, Ropz etc etc were better. But right now Device stands tall above the rest. I don't think it's even close.
2019-12-14 23:54
dupreeh luckily still has his moments. astralis and even tsm/dignitas before that were always at their absolute best when he performed great. not as consistent anymore but i think he easily has 2 more years
2019-12-14 23:56
#14
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United States jay_320 
Oh I don't think he's done. I mean look what he just did at Blast. I just think the end is closer then the beginning for him. A year or two at a high level sounds about right.
2019-12-15 00:03
Never ever been top1 = Goat? Please explain haha. It’s like saying Gerrard is the goat of football
2019-12-15 00:12
A player doesn't need to be top 1 to be the greatest of all time. A lot of people claim that f0rest should be the player of the decade, and he has never been #1 either.
2019-12-15 00:19
Of course you have to! Lol. Id you never ever have been the best in the world, how can you be the best ever? Makes 0 sense! f0rest is the goat of CS because he was the best in 1.6 for a couple of years and still kicking it! The goat of csgo is between GTR and coldzera.
2019-12-15 00:49
#36
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Europe Vallon3 
I really hope that fraudzera part was a joke...
2019-12-15 00:58
#39
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Because sports are about consistency, that's how you make the most money and win the most trophies. Someone who is top 5 for 4 years will have a lot more success than someone who is top 1 for a year and then drops off for example.
2019-12-15 01:00
Of course, but tell me ONE sport where u name a player that’s the GOAT that never has been the best in the world at some point, just one ...
2019-12-15 01:55
csgo where decice is goat
2019-12-15 02:39
That is a terrible argument. Just because it has never happened does not mean it's a requirement. If a GOAT of a sport has never been from Liechtenstein, does that it is impossible for a Liechtensteiner to become a GOAT of a sport just because it has never happened before?
2019-12-15 03:28
That’s a stupid counter... at no point did he say a location was an integral part of the GOAT definition. The equivalent counter using your argument would be “the best Australian has never been from Liechtenstein, does that mean it is impossible for a Liechtensteiner to become the best Australian ever”. To be the best Australian ever, means you need to be Australian at some point. To be the best player ever, means you need to be the best player at some point. His argument isn’t hard to get.
2019-12-15 05:46
#68
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South Africa nimmaJ 
You say of course as if you agree then you shoot directly for a fallacy. If sports are about consistency then we can measure the GOAT by their consistent level over the years, right? If we take Device's average ranking and compare it to literally anyone he blows them out of the water. At the same time can you name anyone in any sport that has been top 5 for 80% of the sports history?
2019-12-15 06:19
everything checks out cry_right over device? lmfao. cs isnt about whos been individually the best when it comes to goat status. if thats the case s1mples the goat of csgo, not device device_4_majors_cry_right_1_major device_4_majors_cold_2_majors device_1_grand_slam_cry_right_and_cold_0_grand_slams
2019-12-17 03:56
'of all time'
2019-12-15 00:22
? Why did u type that?
2019-12-15 00:46
so u might realize what kinda bs uve written
2019-12-15 01:18
As above mentioned: please explain.
2019-12-15 01:56
u can win a race w/o having the fastest lap time...
2019-12-15 09:05
0/8
2019-12-15 00:17
Quite possibly
2019-12-15 00:18
ZywOo laughing
2019-12-15 00:20
He been good for 1 year lol hardly goat
2019-12-16 17:33
device best player of all time astralis best team of all time /close
2019-12-15 00:20
+1
2019-12-15 03:52
-1
2019-12-16 16:12
Device is the greatest player of all time, Astralis is the greatest team of all time. Case closed, bye.
2019-12-15 00:24
s1mple is better
2019-12-16 16:13
name checks out
2020-01-01 23:41
hes the only goat till s1mple or zywoo wins a major. afterwards there can be a convo. till then its dev1ce no contest
2019-12-15 00:25
Actually true. But it can change quickly. Hamilton had one championship to Vettel’s four. And then Hamilton went on a tear to win like 5. And look, everything changed pretty quickly.
2019-12-15 00:55
1 major isnt gonna put him in contention with device lmao he needs to prove his consistency and im sure he will. but itll be a long time until device can even be contested for goat of csgo
2019-12-17 03:57
You are wrong. As usual. But expected from his dumb fanboys, just a bunch of casuals that started watching cs like a month ago. Neither he or LULstralis is GOAT. It’s just that kids have to believe that they live in the greatest times alive that they witnessed the GOAT themselves. Last year they were squirting all over s0mple and calling him GOAT. This year it’s ecovice. It’s always like that. In every sport. LeBron is being called GOAT while he is negative in NBA Finals and has so many holes in his resume compared to MJ.
2019-12-15 00:53
#35
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South Africa nimmaJ 
"Started watching CS a month ago" >is goat because hes been elite 6 years in a row
2019-12-15 00:57
Just like LeBron has 2007 and 2011 Finals, ecovice has 2017 season and 2014-2015. He is not the GOAT, not top20 all time
2019-12-15 01:10
#64
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South Africa nimmaJ 
0/8
2019-12-15 05:36
#95
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United States porcupine2020 
not a good comparison, 2017 was a good year for dev1ce, coulda potentially won another major MVP had he not "choked" in the final. 2014-2015 was still a consistent year despite the semifinal curse, they still beat fnatic many times, the dominant team who had an era. LeBron had more than just a few hiccups in his career. Dev1ce has been consistent for 5-6 years now.
2019-12-15 23:05
#37
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Europe Vallon3 
Bruh, it's one thing to disagree with dev1ce being GOAT... it's another to say Astralis aren't the GOAT. Never go full retard again, retard.
2019-12-15 01:00
#37
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Europe Vallon3 
Also, reported for being so stupid.
2019-12-15 01:00
Oh shit, hltv gonna ban me for 24 hours, damn, I won’t be able to educate ignorant ecovice fanboys. Oh they will ban me for having a different opinion to the majority of plebs here.
2019-12-15 01:08
#63
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South Africa nimmaJ 
You are pathetic
2019-12-15 05:36
“Imagine caring when someone replies. No lifing at its finest” (c) nimmaj more than ten minutes ago :) Keep replying to me. You is so insecure :)
2019-12-15 22:35
#93
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South Africa nimmaJ 
"You is"
2019-12-15 22:35
It is so ez to bait the guy that pulls out “improper grammar” card when he runs out of arguments :)
2019-12-15 22:59
#102
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South Africa nimmaJ 
No arguments needed, you proved you inadequate ability to argue with constant fallacies.
2019-12-16 06:56
You needed 7+ hours to come up with that ?
2019-12-16 10:47
#121
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South Africa nimmaJ 
Nope
2019-12-16 23:21
#86
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Sweden Trkmag 
+1
2019-12-15 18:41
0/8 bait
2019-12-17 03:58
Crowning dev1ce as best of 2019 is like giving Modric Ballon d'Or. He's good. He's really insanely good. But there are flashier players out there. It wouldn't surprise me if he never got the No 1 spot. His style of play is so based around his team and rarely goes off completely insane like a zywoo or simple. But I don't think he minds. No one comes close to his level of consistency over such a long period of time.
2019-12-15 02:31
2019 top1 lol'd
2019-12-15 02:32
yes GOATvice Top1 2019
2019-12-15 03:57
Hard to argue against it, but it's just a difficult call to make since he has the perfect team around him aswell. Not to mention you can hardly call him a ''flashy/risky'' player.. he's just extremely good at hitting the shots he has to hit, hardly makes risky plays
2019-12-15 03:40
camper
2019-12-15 05:37
+1
2019-12-16 16:13
yes he should wall like indian scene xaxaxaxaxa nt curry
2019-12-17 03:58
no he should go for highlights and throw matches like s1mple
2020-01-01 23:42
Truly GOAT! People who understand the game and the meta will definately not deny it. He may not be as pure aimer as simple and ZywOo. But his decision making and team play is what makes him GOAT!
2019-12-15 06:14
#69
Europe RKC 
1.) He is the most consistent tier 1 player, who ever touched CSGO. 2.) He is insane even with AK/M4 mostly, as you can see at his rarely appearance in FPL f.e. 3.) He does not more ecofragging etc. than other top tier players by statistics, but his ecofragging is the most noticed by far, due to different circumstances. 4.) His playstyle in general is really boring, if you compare it to other players. He rarely make insane plays and rely more of his gamesense and gameoverview etc.
2019-12-15 07:11
4 majors. GOAT of Global Offensive? Agreed.
2019-12-15 07:13
Agree, the goatest player
2019-12-15 07:21
#97
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United States porcupine2020 
s1mple has no majors as well
2019-12-15 23:06
na brain xaxaxaxa cuz navi is bad
2019-12-16 16:14
team success is a component of goat status, it is a combination of skill+success, s1mple>dev1ce in skill but dev1ce>>s1mple in achievements
2019-12-17 03:36
name and flair checks out surprised south koreans are this dumb considering they have one of the best education systems in the world
2019-12-17 03:59
he might get it, but hes not even top10 though
2019-12-15 07:25
Wat
2019-12-18 15:37
pretty bold of you to assume he's gonna be top 1
2019-12-15 07:29
#79
Dosia | 
Russia Rapu 
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01.. Device is not even top-3 right now :)
2019-12-15 13:49
s0mple and electr0nic 90 maps(80vs tier 3 teams) LUL
2019-12-15 17:44
MATCH FILTER - Big events TIME FILETER - 2019 = t3
2019-12-15 17:54
You are braindead
2019-12-15 17:49
#81
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Myanmar ZywooScream 
Zywoo easy n1
2019-12-15 17:48
no shox destroy vitality
2019-12-16 00:52
flair and name checks out
2019-12-17 04:00
#144
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Myanmar ZywooScream 
Dev1ce sux
2019-12-17 04:18
device will never become BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD.
2019-12-15 17:53
fan of thorin lul
2019-12-15 18:39
fan of device lul
2019-12-15 19:57
Thorin fan of device lul
2019-12-16 17:47
#88
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Sweden Trkmag 
0/8 Thinking he is top 1 2019 exposes your IQ
2019-12-15 18:42
#101
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Myanmar ZywooScream 
Device top 3-5.
2019-12-16 05:19
device not even top3 s1mple top1 electronic top2
2019-12-16 16:15
#116
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Myanmar ZywooScream 
Can be
2019-12-16 16:41
Pep Guardiola once Said he couldn’t take Best footballer reward seriously, because Michael Laudrup never won one ... Same thing applies here, if Dev1ce (once again) gets robbed out of #1
2019-12-16 07:14
lol autistic patriotic Dane :D Guardiola say so cause they were teammates
2019-12-17 10:45
Who ?
2019-12-16 10:51
uk cs omegalul
2019-12-16 16:15
WTF, I DIDN'T KNEW THAT SHEVII HAD A TEAM LOL
2019-12-16 23:25
Calm down slum boi
2019-12-17 10:35
He's the goat, but still s1mple/ZywOo >>> device
2019-12-16 23:25
Him or cold S1mple is still the best ever though
2019-12-16 23:28
He is the csgo GOAT even if he doesnt get top1 this year, doesnt matter he is the csgo GOAT people saying players like s1mple are GOAT because of good stats only, s1mple is a bad teammate, i prefer to play with noob but chill guys like with him if you have a little knowledge about cs you will know s1mple plays only for him and doesnt care, dev1ce plays for the team and still gets insane ratings Dev1ce is the GOAT periodt the 2nd and 3rd imo are baitzera and olof, not s1mple, he hasnt achieve anything
2019-12-16 23:30
Yes, and he should get number 1 this year!
2019-12-16 23:30
+1
2019-12-16 23:47
no way zywoo best this year
2019-12-17 10:45
They don't have significant achievements though.
2019-12-17 19:57
#133
INS | 
Australia CLEGGY 
0/8 most overrated player in cs history
2019-12-17 03:48
how much on 100t?
2019-12-17 04:01
#135
f0rest | 
United States veasih 
device fan, omegalul
2019-12-17 03:49
fan of forest lul
2019-12-17 06:29
#145
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Myanmar ZywooScream 
Device sux
2019-12-17 04:19
NO
2019-12-17 06:29
#149
JW | 
United States raymoney 
You know I’m not much of an Astralis fan, but man anyone denying that Device is at least a contender for the CS:GOAT is biased or blind. The guy is the single most consistent player ever. No one else has had this many top 5 placings for this long of a time span. Props to him. However, I don’t think he is number one this year. If you look at Astralis, a superstars dream team, and then take a look a Vitality, the difference is night and day. Astralis is consistent and provides a strutted style where device is essentially made space for by his other team mates on the map allowing him to drag better. Meanwhile, ZywOo single handedly created his own space through out the map, and carried 4 bots to their one for half the year.
2019-12-17 06:52
+99999999999999999999
2019-12-17 15:40
I dont agree, if Vitality even had one more player close to Zywoo’s skill, Zywoo’s ratings would plumeth, as Z wouldnt get nearly as many kills ... Zywoo relies much more on his teammates sacrificing themselves for him, so Z Can get The kills ... - You pretty much described simple in your post, not Zywoo ...
2019-12-17 17:29
#202
JW | 
United States raymoney 
The same could literally be said about s1mple. Now that electronic is putting up numbers his are not nearly where they were. You notice how s1mple and electronic’s peaks never really coincide.
2019-12-18 05:34
#151
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Australia flashi 
wrong
2019-12-17 10:36
i don't see him in 2013 top 20 oops
2019-12-17 10:47
cold 2x top1 >
2019-12-17 12:15
x4 0-16 LUL
2019-12-18 06:45
brain?
2019-12-18 12:10
he is GOAT, but he is not best player :) he will never get top1
2019-12-17 17:00
#179
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Russia Orotimaru 
true.
2019-12-17 17:27
#183
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Germany KGV7 
not the goat but one of them for sure s1mple is the goat dont @ at me
2019-12-17 17:31
s0mple in majors LUL
2019-12-17 17:53
#188
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Germany KGV7 
give s1mple a team like coldzera and device and u will see
2019-12-17 17:59
U know he could just go to another team, but no he decides to stay with bots
2019-12-18 15:43
#219
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Germany KGV7 
u cannot fucking learn language and understand it in 1 day
2019-12-18 17:59
S1mple speaks english, not that good, but its good. I mean look at coldzera, his english wasnt good either
2019-12-18 18:45
s1mple like that
2019-12-17 17:34
#208
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Finland 0lter 
more like mouse MOST OVERRATED USELESS SONOFABITCH EVER
2019-12-18 08:24
0/8
2019-12-18 16:42
2018 s1mple GOAT
2019-12-18 15:31
2019 dev1ce
2019-12-20 19:11
yes he has shit tons of mvp, but he has also a winning team. He isn't so highlighted as s1mple or ZywOo
2019-12-20 22:01
no
2019-12-20 13:16
Yes
2019-12-20 15:30
No
2019-12-20 15:44
Dumbest man on earth lol
2019-12-20 15:37
#241
dRiim | 
Finland dRiim 
device = washed up boomer
2019-12-20 15:38
Device has won a major every year since 2017 so maybe he is GOAT but overall I have to give the award to ben1337 due to his raw skill and talent.
2019-12-20 15:39
#246
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Sweden PentaPenguin 
Device aint the best in Astralis , so how could he be the GOAT ?
2019-12-20 15:46
The funny thing is that ANY player wants to win a major, more then be best player in world. And Device have 4 major wins xD
2019-12-20 15:48
#268
STYKO | 
Czech Republic KazateL 
dev1ce is synonym for boring cs
2019-12-22 10:52
Fan of styko LUL
2020-01-01 19:17
#279
STYKO | 
Czech Republic KazateL 
nt italy
2020-01-01 23:34
#270
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Germany Chivezz 
+1
2019-12-22 18:03
#272
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Turkey GOATVICE 
Not just CSGO DEVICE GOAT OF CS
2019-12-31 15:06
#273
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Sweden swediztann3 
device wasnt even a thing in original cs
2019-12-31 15:07
#274
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Turkey GOATVICE 
no but if u compare like f0rest 1.6 etc to device csgo device is better flair and name checks out device #1 2018 #1 2019 #1 Player of the Decade 2009-2019
2019-12-31 15:14
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1.10
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3.46
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1.28
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2.00
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1.78
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