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Netherlands Veteran_cs 
Would you guys want that YOUR country leave the European union? I want that The Netherlands leave. The EU is becomming an dictatorship, instead of a helping system.
2019-12-20 13:25
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neterlend join na
2019-12-20 13:26
pls no
2019-12-20 23:55
#321
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United States Jaksin
pls yes
2019-12-21 00:42
Sure I would join NA, I'll become pro player ez
2019-12-23 12:39
#2
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Belgium HLTVnewfag
Who 🚗
2019-12-20 13:26
Mohammeds like you dont
2019-12-20 13:27
#7
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Belgium HLTVnewfag
+1 Mehmut
2019-12-20 13:27
lmao
2019-12-20 13:30
Belgium who🚗🚗
2019-12-20 13:48
name checks out
2019-12-20 15:00
in someway his name is true because you dont even have your own language lol
2019-12-20 15:17
men wtf
2019-12-20 15:35
Dutch originated in Belgium btw
2019-12-20 15:58
belgium was not a country when dutch was created
2019-12-20 17:08
but flanders was a country in its own right when it was created and our scientists moved to the netherlands due to our religious environment at the time
2019-12-20 17:32
but still was not belgium
2019-12-20 17:48
neither was it the netherlands so whats your point exactly? And its still the language spoken in Flanders
2019-12-20 17:52
my point is belgium doesnt exist
2019-12-20 17:53
ok b8er
2019-12-20 17:55
im not baiting xd
2019-12-20 17:55
Go easy on him man imgur.com/a/Jh6qFBm
2019-12-20 22:02
XD
2019-12-20 23:14
#381
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United Kingdom alcazar4
that area has been known as the netherlands for many centuries though, closest belgium has is the belGAY tribe that inhabited it during at least the late roman republic
2019-12-22 15:41
As if any belgian that doesn’t speak french identifies as “belgian” rather than “flemish” which is older than the netherlands.
2019-12-22 17:15
#388
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United Kingdom alcazar4
"the netherlands" simply refers to the low lying region that was identified by how low it was, this existed before the identity of flemish
2019-12-22 17:37
HAHAHAH name something “belgians made” or real belgian culture, your beer is made in our old buildings
2019-12-20 17:24
your language your art your science all imported from belgium m8
2019-12-20 17:31
no men belgium is a part of netherlands that left. it's the other way around
2019-12-20 17:59
netherlands was owned by flanders at one point, so you are part of flanders? Your argument makes no sense
2019-12-20 18:52
wtf are you talking about, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_of_Flanders this is the flanders before the creation of the (burgundian) netherlands. so wdym???
2019-12-20 19:32
Braindead belgian haha, flag explains all
2019-12-20 19:42
143 IQ btw, and flanders has highest average IQ in europe in case you didn't know.
2019-12-21 11:42
“Flanders” who🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗
2019-12-21 13:47
Belgium who 🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗🚗
2019-12-20 16:17
+111
2019-12-20 17:24
in this case: the whole America doesn't exist; every third asian country doesn't exist; NZ/Australia don't exist (which is fine for me)
2020-02-01 11:31
KEKW
2019-12-20 15:24
In what way is the EU becoming a dictatorship?
2019-12-20 13:27
Deutschland
2019-12-20 13:27
Ja!
2019-12-20 13:27
#192
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Norway at0mic_cs
Nein mein führer
2019-12-20 15:28
Lefties like you dont understand it, if you want to understand maybe dig deeper, and stop watching your television propoganda. Thanks
2019-12-20 13:29
Do you actually have any arguments or... ??
2019-12-20 13:30
+1 rofl
2019-12-20 13:30
I am on work, when I am back and if this thread isnt deleted I will give you plenty of reasons why the EU is dangerous. Also with facts and arguments.
2019-12-20 13:32
alright
2019-12-20 13:33
Sorry for the late reply, I had time but I was to bored to write a massive thread. Reasons why the EU is getting dangerous for our democracy. 1. Open borders, open borders are a massive threat for our people. When the massive immigrant hord out of the Middle-East came, ALOT of ISIS fighters came along. And are spread in Europe. Every immigrant can basicly come illegal to others countrys without any hard work. The only thing they need is money, or dedication since our borders are mostly unguarded. The immigrants are most likely free to go once they are in a EU country. 2. The same currency. Although the UK still has their own currency most countries dont cuz of the EU. Its a really bad thing. Once the Deutsche Bank will fall, it could crash the global financial market. Which means ALOT of people will go bankrupt, including companys, alot of countries will go in debt, and the EURO will crash. The best thing to have is that every country got their OWN currency, instead of relying on the EURO which will fall sooner or later. 3. Payments to the EU. You pay MASSIVE amounts of $ to the EU every year. In the long term you are better off leaving then staying due to the fact you pay massive amounts to them anyways. It couldnt go worse once you leave. 4. EU ARMY. The EU wants an EU army. Good thing some countries still block the idea, but sooner or later it will actually come. That would be a DANGER to every single person in the EU. Just look at France. The yellow vests are demolishing France cuz Macron doesnt liten. DESERVED. With an EU army, this will simpely fade away, cuz people get scared. And they get an shooting order which means they can just kill anyone they want to. Its dangerous, and I cant say this enough if that actually happends we are both fucked, cuz we will live in a dictatorship from that day on. 5. Article 13. Once I post a picture of a beautiful tree, you cant post it anymore. Which means people cant mass spread things like the Yellow vests, and the heros in Hong Kong. The EU will censor everything we do, and we will be allowed less and less each year onwards. This are the baby steps, the next step will be a complete ban on social media. (wired.co.uk/article/what-is-article-13-a..https://www.wired.co.uk/article/what-is-article-13-article-11-european-directive-on-copyright-explained-meme-ban 6. EU law above your own national law. Its insane, so because some dumb people in Brussel think they know stuff better, their idea is better then OURS? Its a bad thing. Imagine your country creating a law, and the EU is overwrite it with alot of bullshit which you guys dont want.. Lmao. 7. The EU plans of 2020. The plans of the EU are mostly about climate and energy. Yes the climate is going to get worse. The EU has some amazing plans on PAPER. But whos gonna pay for it all? Thats right, we do. Its gonna cost ALOT. We are gonna pay for every EU country, not even only for your own country. You will get less and less money each month cuz of this bullshit. Anyways lets say we are a GREEN EUROPE. If Asia and America dont follow, its all for NOTHING. Big waste of $. 8. THE EU THEN AND NOW. The EU started great. It was mostly a pact for safety and trade, and that was fine and awesome in that time. We dont need safety anymore, as long as we are in NATO. About the trade part, cuz of the open borders its easy to trade indeed. But once you leave the EU and get a proper deal you can still trade good enough. Sure it will go down in the beginning, but once you get everything up your country will be fine, especially a big country with a good economy like France or Germany. Or a smaller one like Denmark & The Netherlands. We simpely dont need the EU. Once the EU army is here, the article 13 has developed we are fucked. Eveything I have written you can find on google. Enough articles to read, to bored to add I am sorry. I just hope you will see the bad stuff about the EU before its to late, cuz it really will become dangerous for our democracy. I also read about a so called SHOOT & KILL order by the EU on the yellow vests, but I couldnt find any reliable source. But that might be true. Is the EU worth our money? Our time? I dont think so, once you leave it will cost the EU money, thats just a fact cuz you pay ALOT to them, meanwhile you lose some in trade but you get most of it back cuz you dont need to pay the EU. Its a good thing. NATO is good the EU is bad for our countries.
2019-12-21 19:01
lol
2019-12-22 16:04
who are you gonna get a good trade deal with? the chinese? cuz they already own your harbors lmao biggest bullshit ive read through. but hey gj telling others to stop watching propaganda even though your post is literally a copy paste of any Anti-EU party. enjoy your echo chamber dude lmao
2019-12-23 11:48
6th one lmao
2019-12-23 13:17
ok most of what you wrote is very far from "facts".
2019-12-23 11:55
literally 0 arguments as expected
2019-12-23 13:12
lmao
2020-01-19 12:51
Out of curiosity, how does any of these relate to dictatorship?
2020-02-01 11:36
garbage
2020-02-01 11:41
#149
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Germany PeetM
no time to write arguments but answering like 20 comments wtf?? Seems like you wont have any, ill be waiting aswell
2019-12-20 15:16
Man, its like I wanna give a proper reply. To most I can just type is quickly without thinking and searching to much lol. I will come back on this in the evening. I promise
2019-12-20 15:19
Nice leftists maybe don't believe everything they show you in tv :DD In Finland the main news are controlled and even owned by the leftists government forcing ridiculous propaganda and blocking real news with true facts. Everything nowadays is considered as "hate speech" which the leftists want to get illegal. Stop being sensitive and making decisions based on feelings. Finland start using brain pls.....
2019-12-20 15:27
+1
2019-12-20 15:31
#218
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Germany PeetM
4/8
2019-12-20 15:43
+1 sadly the WHOLE EU and even America are mostly a bunch of lefties. Its so sad you only hear ''Trump is bad'' Trump is getting impeached bla bla, Trump wont get impeached, and hes the best president in 100 years lmao. Then they keep talking about the nitrogen and climate hoax. And how good the immigrants are! They never let people talk on TV that say the EU is bad, or immigration is bad. Only the good things. Lefties really need to use their brain more.
2019-12-20 15:51
USA economy sky high after the election and everyone screaming fuck trump :D
2019-12-20 15:59
+1 Its funny how the lefties think. It just looks like they have no brain, and no feelings.
2019-12-20 16:00
You should have started your topic with the stuff about trump. Then we only need to read the first sentence and be confident that we can ignore you and not miss any vital information.
2019-12-20 16:29
Hahaha dumb kid
2019-12-20 16:32
#261
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Germany PeetM
+1 very true haha
2019-12-20 16:44
+1 lol
2020-02-01 11:42
"Trump is getting impeached bla bla, Trump wont get impeached" meanwhile, in a place called reality: theguardian.com/us-news/gallery/2019/dec..
2019-12-20 18:04
Still needs to pass the senate which it wont. Retard
2019-12-20 18:10
Impeachment is done! Removal from office is up to the senate. So spreading BS and calling those who know better a retard. Trump all the way, heh? "Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body levels charges against a government official. Impeachment does not in itself remove the official definitively from office; it is similar to an indictment in criminal law, and thus it is essentially the statement of charges against the official."
2019-12-20 19:19
learn what the impeachment and what the actual removal from his office is and then call others retard retard...
2019-12-20 23:50
#264
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United Kingdom Shoomus
Flair checks out
2019-12-20 16:45
as a dude who havent own a tv in 6 years (for purpose) i recommend you do the same and its very eye opening.
2019-12-20 23:29
I mean TV is not needed now a days anyways. Thx for your advice. Its still dangerous for left people, and undeveloped kids that watch LEFT only news.
2019-12-22 01:43
hahahahaha
2019-12-20 14:04
#76
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Spain Granjero
+1 axaxax
2019-12-20 14:18
you sound really brainwashed
2019-12-20 14:45
xDDD exposed
2019-12-20 15:46
brainwashed bruh
2019-12-20 15:53
You are not even in the EU gtfo mens
2019-12-20 16:00
that means my opinion doesnt matter right? Did i offend you?
2019-12-20 16:02
No and no. Ofc your opinion is valid, but its easy to say that if you are not even in the EU. Cuz you dont live with this bs.
2019-12-20 16:03
Lol. How do you think thats an argument? You have literally proven jack shit and are only spreading propaganda originating from a dictatorship, Russia. Strong EU is Russia's nightmare and thats why they finance these parties that rightfully think people will believe any lies if repeated more than twice. Brexit is the funniest thing that has happened in 30 years. Retards voted to exit EU on problems that were made by UK laws and campaign financed by Russian billionaires :D
2019-12-21 19:29
Russian fund. Hahahaha gtfo. Kid thats scared of Russia, most funny thing i heard in a while!
2019-12-21 22:44
It is funded by Russians. The politicians in charge even openly play tennis with their Russian supporters.
2019-12-22 03:29
No
2019-12-20 13:27
#77
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Spain Granjero
bruhzil doesn't belong to EU
2019-12-20 14:18
Exactly, so it’s not possible to leave.
2019-12-20 14:19
#9
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Germany BIG2020
I want a united EU country. :3
2019-12-20 13:28
Same, we should take the Flemish part of Belgium. You can have east Belgium! Deal?
2019-12-20 13:29
#24
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Belgium HLTVnewfag
Man i like my french homies in the south
2019-12-20 13:33
That belongs to France, sorry buddy. You will belong to The Netherlands.
2019-12-20 13:34
And Brussels goes to who ?
2019-12-20 13:57
#78
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Netherlands Alvinnie
To Russia ofcourse
2019-12-20 14:19
Netherlands cuz it was originally dutch speaking + located in flanders
2019-12-20 14:20
Obviously. LOL imagine giving brussels, in the MIDDLE of flanders to France. What a shitshow that would become. If we could drive out all the french speakers from Brussels it instantly solves the crime problem too. Molenbeek suddenly empty, nobody speaks Dutch there They could just create a "Bruxelles-La-Neuve" just like they did when we drove the French out of Leuven and they created Louvain-La-Neuve
2019-12-20 15:02
You really do? You must be unemployed as well?
2019-12-20 15:00
Nee Walen zijn profiteurs KEKW
2019-12-20 15:34
yes man *circlejerkin* stop leeching on the flemish *cumming everywhere* fucking sossen *licking up a gallon of cum*
2019-12-20 15:59
Men i love a good circlejerk)))
2019-12-20 17:29
+1
2019-12-20 13:54
Yay more communism
2019-12-20 15:10
#145
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Germany PeetM
lmao
2019-12-20 15:15
+1 we would be on top again lucky for us a united europe is inevitable, maybe even in our lifetimes
2019-12-20 23:30
Welcome to Asia lul
2019-12-20 13:28
"The EU is becomming an dictatorship" 12yo brain?
2019-12-20 13:28
Russian is talking omegalol
2019-12-20 13:29
12yo brain
2019-12-20 14:59
You get high of chocolate, lmaooo 8 y/o virgin kiddo
2019-12-20 15:01
i think it would be more fucked up if he was an 8y/o and not a virgin
2019-12-20 15:13
yeah wtf lmaoooooooooo
2019-12-20 15:33
Maybe he got abused as a child and thinks it's normal
2019-12-23 12:11
you wasted your time checking my profile, so pathetic nothing else to expect from 12yo brain
2019-12-20 15:47
Aboeda its okay mad leftie
2019-12-20 15:48
It is a helping system for countries that need help You should be happy to be one one the countries that doesnt need help .... That's a fact Cause leaving once you you dont need help anymore is very selfish attitude imo
2019-12-20 13:29
The EU was good, yet recently its becomming clear that its not working anymore. We pay alot to Brussel, their law is above ours, they wanna ban certain stuff in OUR countrys as the EU. It makes no sense. The only benefit is open borders for companys. Yet cuz of the open borders we have mass immigration.
2019-12-20 13:31
You know that companies generates jobs and development right ?
2019-12-20 14:24
+1
2019-12-20 14:42
#124
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United Kingdom Hammondo
You realise that The Netherlands is part of Brussels right? Part of the law making.
2019-12-20 15:07
Part of Brussel what are you talking about? Brussel should be a part of The Netherlands! 1 day we will conquer them ;)
2019-12-20 15:13
#143
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Brussels is made of the countries in the EU, the leaders of the countries, directly voted in parliament, and commissioners picked by the leaders of the countries (each country picking their commissioners.)
2019-12-20 15:15
I know, its ridicilious the normal people cant even vote... All the left leaders are thinking about their $ in Brussel. Ofc they dont want their country leave the EU
2019-12-20 15:18
#160
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Normal people vote for the parliament and council. Which part of this is confusing.
2019-12-20 15:19
its by definition not a dictatorship are you daft
2019-12-20 15:26
I said its becomming one.
2019-12-20 15:26
so we are losing our ability to elect politicians for brussels and its slowly becoming an organisation run by one individual?
2019-12-20 15:27
Ugh smartass enjoy living in Sweden with the highest rape rate in the EU
2019-12-20 15:32
Great argument.
2019-12-20 15:33
#254
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Only highest reported rape rate.
2019-12-20 16:32
#254
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Only highest reported rape rate.
2019-12-20 16:32
#217
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Lithuania ateivis
Why don't yall in Netherlands vote for every law to be changed?
2019-12-20 15:42
Cuz we have a bunch of lefties in power, also our referendum got taken away by a dumb party called ''D66''
2019-12-20 15:44
Yeah well like that means anything. The puppets there don't give a shit what people want, look for example at what was going on with article 13
2019-12-20 15:24
#184
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United Kingdom Hammondo
It means a lot, you vote for who represents you. If you do not vote correctly, that's your fault and problem. Article 13 has not been well thought out, but the original idea is pretty solid, It just needs to be reworked, and it will over time.
2019-12-20 15:26
point is - so many people were against it but it was still passed into law. This is retarded way of going into it, making something that's clearly broken into a law first AND THEN starting to fix and correct it. Something that the EU seems to keep doing again and again.
2019-12-20 15:31
#199
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Many people is a vague number, if your parliament representative didn't represent you, then vote differently next time. Its not a law you really can get right first time. It would never make everyone happy, no law ever does. They believe its going to work, time will tell. It is just my opinion that it needs to be changed a bit. When has the EU made a clear broken law?
2019-12-20 15:33
+1
2019-12-20 15:26
#164
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Germany PeetM
the mass immigration isnt due to the open borders. Look at usa and mexico, and also the Schengen borders, people always find a way, especially if their home is being destroyed
2019-12-20 15:19
The mass immigration is because of the Marrakesh pact. But cuz of the open borders its much easier for immigrants to come here... So it still a big problem also for our security. alot of ISIS fighters are in Europe, that will strike sooner or later.
2019-12-20 15:24
#221
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Germany PeetM
I agree that its a big security threat, but if you see how incompetent german police is, and that there are not many terror attacks in germany, if you had competent police forces and secret services etc it should be manageable
2019-12-20 15:45
#475
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Iceland g_w
Hahaha
2020-01-19 12:46
Bait or are you actually this much of a cuck
2019-12-21 00:45
It’s good for trade and shit but I don’t think it’s a good idea to just give our sovereignty to Brussels ( and Germany )
2019-12-20 13:33
+1 the only good thing is the trade deal, the rest is completly trash from the EU. It only costs us money, and we lose our freedom!
2019-12-20 13:35
#126
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United Kingdom Hammondo
You are part of Brussels though.
2019-12-20 15:07
I'm not for leaving the EU, in fact I'm the opposite, I'd prefer a federated European state, but do you think indirect democracy is sufficient for the European Union?
2019-12-20 23:32
#325
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United Kingdom Hammondo
It's direct .
2019-12-21 01:22
The European Parliament is direct, yes, but the European Commission and European Council who make laws with the European Parliament aren't (The council is direct through some countries but not for all, including the U.K.).
2019-12-21 01:33
#327
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United Kingdom Hammondo
The commission has no law making powers, only the parliament and council do.
2019-12-21 03:05
I thought the commission was the one that proposes the laws in the first place.
2019-12-21 04:26
#336
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Proposes yes, but they gotta propose what the council/parliament debate. The council pick the commission, so if the commission doesn't write the laws they want, they replace them.
2019-12-21 09:46
#28
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Russia Darkrus
lmao yea
2019-12-20 13:35
"The EU is becomming an dictatorship" ok 4chan
2019-12-20 13:36
Get out of here! They'll kill you for talking shit about 4chan!
2019-12-20 13:47
Wtf did you just say about 4chan 😡
2019-12-20 14:57
#296
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Finland iamback
ok reddit
2019-12-20 19:48
Be real, would you rather that people said you're a redditor or a 4chan user?
2019-12-20 23:33
#370
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Finland N1ggers
4chan 100%
2019-12-22 11:46
#382
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Finland iamback
4channel
2019-12-22 15:48
☝️ socially awkward flags check xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxax
2019-12-22 19:12
#31
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Russia F1Z1K
I don't know, maybe
2019-12-20 13:37
#32
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy
Yes, fuck unelected bureaucrats. Vote FvD and get lower taxes!
2019-12-20 13:37
#32
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy
Yes, fuck unelected bureaucrats. Vote FvD and get lower taxes!
2019-12-20 13:37
Vote PVV! But for sure FVD & PVV need alot of seats!
2019-12-20 13:43
#74
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy
PVV lol they're socialists as well. FvD wants to make government small again. I would vote VVD if they'd lowered taxes
2019-12-20 14:13
They wont, VVD only listens to GL now a days, and like to increase taxes and btw!
2019-12-21 19:07
+1 lower taxes is great idea
2019-12-20 15:20
English?
2019-12-20 15:18
Russian?
2019-12-20 15:19
Durak, idi nahui blyat
2019-12-20 15:24
Idi na hui cyka job twoja mac
2019-12-20 15:27
Dolbajob blyat job dwoja mama
2019-12-20 15:37
#34
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Czech Republic owi
Yes!
2019-12-20 13:38
Yeah, EU sucks.
2019-12-20 13:45
I wish I was born in England... Boris is the best thing that happend in the UK since ww2!
2019-12-20 13:51
We are not in the union ;-;
2019-12-20 13:46
Hope you don’t get in cuz everyone will leave the union
2019-12-20 13:50
+1
2019-12-20 13:51
I only want Schengen tho. I understand the reason why EU don't let us in(E R D O G A N) but getting citizenship from an EU country is hard as fuck
2019-12-20 14:02
Why you wanna come to the EU in the first place? Money?
2019-12-20 16:25
First goal is just to travel easily. But I wouldn't turn down a job offer in an EU country.
2019-12-20 18:09
#45
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Albania HLTV_God
shuld go back to what its supposed to be or dispand,
2019-12-20 13:52
#127
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United Kingdom Hammondo
The EU is exactly what it always has been.
2019-12-20 15:08
#250
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Albania HLTV_God
No? The only reason for eu is trade and peace. Now they make law's
2019-12-20 16:24
#252
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United Kingdom Hammondo
The EU was created a political union. What you mean is the ECSC which was before the EU and is not enough for what we have today.
2019-12-20 16:26
#299
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Albania HLTV_God
No? Eu was created for peace and trade nothing else
2019-12-20 22:18
#301
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United Kingdom Hammondo
You need to go and read. It was always a political union.
2019-12-20 22:32
#337
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Albania HLTV_God
Yes, but EU was still founded to keep peace and benefit trade only
2019-12-21 10:37
#338
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United Kingdom Hammondo
2019-12-21 11:29
#367
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Albania HLTV_God
yes?
2019-12-22 11:00
#371
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United Kingdom Hammondo
As it states, political.
2019-12-22 12:53
#373
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Albania HLTV_God
yes? but it was created for trade and peace wtf is your problem? it was not created to decide if your allowed to drink beer in UK or smoke a ciggarete
2019-12-22 13:16
#374
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United Kingdom Hammondo
The EU does not decide either of those things.
2019-12-22 15:19
Flag doesnt check out
2019-12-20 13:54
Alot of people are done with the EU, its spreading in alot of countries which is good.
2019-12-20 13:58
#49
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Czech Republic Noxar
Yes.
2019-12-20 13:55
Yes and then form nordic union
2019-12-20 13:56
The Netherlands, USA, Russia, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Norway and England all together.. Would be awesome mens!
2019-12-20 13:57
No we dont need your bullshit Nordic countries have unique way to government and good living we dont need you guys. only Finland, Sweden, Norge boys, Iceland, Danes and maybe Estonia.
2019-12-20 13:58
Why Estonia but not us mens? Lmao, also look at Sweden.. You dont want them in your faction
2019-12-20 13:59
Estonia is close and their culture is pretty much same as Finnish culture. And Estonians are good guys.
2019-12-20 14:00
Ok so remove Sweden and Iceland, and invite NL and Estonia
2019-12-20 14:00
Why remove Sweden? its great country the fact that they try to help people around the world (which USA caused by their wars) is not wrong. Sweden is still rich and average living conditions are good. And so far everyone i have met from NL have been cocky cunts so no thanks to that arrogance.
2019-12-20 14:02
a Finn who doesnt hate Sweden now I have seen it all. Kitos
2019-12-20 15:29
No one from Finland hates Sweden its more like dislike since most of the Swedes think they are some kind of a big brother of Finland while Finland have been the one who won you wars since Swedish empire and so on so ye there is some bitter thoughts about that but as Finns usually do we dont boast about it we did what we did and you got your empire for a while.
2019-12-20 23:42
Thats a bit of a reductive statement about swedish empire and its warfare but i agree on the big brother thing
2019-12-20 23:46
ye i guess so but if you look closely about the battles it was mostly the cavalry (finnish) which saved your king (2 times) and saved the battles (many times) there is a pattern. I recommend you to look closer about Swedish conquer of Estonia or battles against Russia.
2019-12-20 23:49
Sure, but during the same era sweden revolutionized warfare and wasnt it a Swede (finn-swede) who led finland during ww2?
2019-12-20 23:52
Sweden did nothing except invent the "stick" to hold guns more steady or using more artillery. What made Swedish army so strong was the Swedish/FInnish veterans and that was mostly 3/4 Swedish infantry and 1/4 of Finnish cavalry. (also some of that infantry was FInnish because you forced Finns to join your army) And no it was not a swede who lead FInland in WW2 if you wanna know more about that there is plenty of information about mannerheim. He was trainer in Russia so he knew what was coming and he even resinged because he knew it was going to be impossible to beat Russia but you really need to read about it and learn its too long topic to write here.
2019-12-21 00:22
Just to clarify; most of my family where either finn-swedes or finnish so im not much for the rivalry
2019-12-20 23:53
Ye and i dont care that much i did not fight on those wars neither but all im saying is that if you actually look up to those battles Sweden won it because of Finns (mostly, horseman) not calling you are pussies it was Swedish king who lead it and made the battle plans but usually those plans were frontal attacks without any strategy and somehow the cavalry was always the key to victory and sometimes it was miracle they did so. Im just a dude whos passion is history i spend too much time reading books etc about different battles or how the world was shaped
2019-12-20 23:59
+1 Poland will make the east europe faction with slovakia hungary croatia and others who would like to join
2019-12-20 15:15
#304
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Lebanon Dogman69
V4?
2019-12-20 23:27
kind of
2019-12-22 00:51
#51
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Portugal astacp
no!! and i hope no one else leaves. only adopt new states. globalization is still a baby but if we end the Union, everything will go back to the 50's. there's still a lot to do and EU has already created a lot of troubles, mainly in small states where they are forced to accept their policies or to accept their policies. One of the biggest examples is greece, no one helped them, just made things a lot worst for them when they helped A LOT Germany at the end of WWII. If we forget about the past we will be making the same mistakes over and over again. #nomorewalls
2019-12-20 13:56
Makes no sense lmao. Do you even know anything about the EU?
2019-12-20 13:57
#61
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Portugal astacp
ive studied political sciences so actually I know a lot more than you about everything in the Union but i can see how respectfull you are to other people opinions when they are different from yours so this is the last comment on your topic.
2019-12-20 14:00
You have studied left political science. Also learn about the right, you leftie!!!
2019-12-20 14:01
#67
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Portugal astacp
you cant even tell the difference between left and right. imagine thinking someone is leftist because defending the EU where most of the leftists in all states defend to leave it...
2019-12-20 14:03
0/8 “globalisation is still a baby”, big baby then cuz it started ~500 years ago
2019-12-20 14:04
#72
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Portugal astacp
whats 500 years for humanity? you know for how long states have been fighting each other before and after christ? you know how recent is democracy? you really think 500years is too much to make a better world? you really think things were better in the previous century?
2019-12-20 14:09
I know but 500 years is still a lot of time men and are you telling me that globalisation is making the world better?
2019-12-20 14:20
#112
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Portugal astacp
yes i believe globalization is a way to make things better if a lot of values and cultures arent lost in the process. otherwise it will be the same old competition, just a lot more dangerous nowadays duo to all weapons that didnt exist in previous wars. but its okay if you dont think like that, a lot of people dont. Mr.Trump for example thinks its better to build another wall and keep spending millions in military forces when most of the time perhaps they could solve the problem and the conflit spending half of that money and not shooting a bullet.
2019-12-20 14:54
I mean it’s not completely bad, but if we look at country’s, the rich become richer and the poor get poorer and climate change cuz when ur phone parts get made all over the world, that’s gonna be a lot of ships and plains going around the world non stop
2019-12-20 15:07
#130
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Portugal astacp
thats another subject but i think we can agree that it's better if all countries are united and achieve some kind of agreement about different matters like the one you are talking about (stuff like that already exists), rather than every country doing their own stuff in the back and not giving a f about how that can affect the others.
2019-12-20 15:12
+1 finally a portuguese who dont speak shit EU is the most developed region, together we are strong splitted we are just small countries with no power of bargain. Even in USA states who does better helps the ones who are in bad shape.
2019-12-20 14:32
Yessir
2019-12-20 14:02
#70
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Greece Graecos
Same, we should have done it years ago. If you'd like to reply by smth like "you Greek bastard, EU helped you and now that you got the money you wanna leave": just GTFO
2019-12-20 14:05
#73
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Portugal astacp
you mean the money that you are paying back in xxxxxx times more? they are thank to you.
2019-12-20 14:10
#278
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Greece Graecos
So true... I appreciate, mate!
2019-12-20 17:46
#71
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Finland tsufee
common currency & freedom to travel inside EU are the best sides that ordinary people think EU has; not so much about the other things.
2019-12-20 14:08
Yep the freedom to travel is awesome! But thats it.
2019-12-20 14:35
#131
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United Kingdom Hammondo
The customs union and free market are essential for all EU countries.
2019-12-20 15:12
As it is right now: Yes, I would like to leave it. But I would rather reform it instead. I want the EU to back to what it once was. A trade union. Maybe also keep schengen sort of, no visas, but still passport checks, like the UK.
2019-12-20 14:15
#83
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Norway jatakk
+1
2019-12-20 14:22
#136
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United Kingdom Hammondo
The EU was never just a trade union, it was created at birth a political union. What you mean is the EEA.
2019-12-20 15:13
I meant the ECSC.
2019-12-20 15:19
#166
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United Kingdom Hammondo
I googled "ECSC", the answers were "European Coal and Steel Community" and "European Cyber Security Challenge ". I am not sure that you meant either.
2019-12-20 15:20
European Coal and Steel Community
2019-12-20 15:21
#168
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United Kingdom Hammondo
2 industries EU countries have moved away from?
2019-12-20 15:21
Why does the name matter in this discussion anyways. I've already stated my opinion in #75. And what I learnt in school and what Wikipedia says the ECSC was the predecessor to the EU.
2019-12-20 15:23
#175
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United Kingdom Hammondo
It was yes, and it was very limited also. having just a basic trade union is nowhere near as valuable as having a Single Market and Customs Union, which the EU has the 2 best in the world.
2019-12-20 15:24
fuck yeah
2019-12-20 14:21
#85
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Norway jatakk
want to join EU v2? imgur.com/a/7KtMnRx
2019-12-20 14:25
sounds like u dont understand how the eu works if you think its a dictatorship
2019-12-20 14:33
I said its becomming an dictatorship learn to read.
2019-12-20 14:37
its not becoming a dictatorship either so maybe you need to learn some more and go read up on how eu works.
2019-12-20 14:38
Maybe get out of your left bubble and look at other countries, and look at how the EU are doing stuff. And what their plans are in 2020, you dumbo
2019-12-20 14:43
i cba go cry to ur politicians to leave eu then, goodbye.
2019-12-20 14:45
#89
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United Kingdom 3Head
eu's open door immigration system is cancer and its terrible for our nhs
2019-12-20 14:36
Its terrible for every country lmao
2019-12-20 14:38
not for iraq OMEGALLAHAKBARLUL
2019-12-20 14:47
For every country in the EU* You are right ;)
2019-12-20 14:48
#139
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United Kingdom Hammondo
The EU has no immigration policies, only free movement of its own citizens.
2019-12-20 15:14
#200
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United Kingdom 3Head
youtube.com/watch?v=DXw-DN-LA9I excuse the click bait title.
2019-12-20 15:33
#207
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Its a pointless video, there are NO EU immigration policies. Each individual country in the EU decides their own immigration policies. Btw the UK has extremely few refugees, so its a bit of a joke that we pretend we do.
2019-12-20 15:35
I want russia to join eu cuz of economical weather Though, eu sucks but this place even better so lets unite and suck harder together!
2019-12-20 14:37
Nah just stay where you are. Maybe England will help you soon ;)
2019-12-20 14:38
This country is fucked up so much. The russian idea, its essence to always be world's dirtiest puddle
2019-12-20 14:44
Idk man, we only get hatred on our News channels. Putin is bad, Trump is bad. You never hear the good things its pathetic. Trump is the best president the USA got in this century, I dont know much about Russia but I am sure Putin aint that bad.
2019-12-20 14:47
I love trump he is a sincere man and does not give a damn about lousy liberal "values". Idk what kind of wires does putin & Co has but the biggest problem are the people not the establishment, 90 % of the population is a fucking cattle. Russian tagline is "Vodka, Stalin, Beria, Gulag". To be fare, there are magnificent people who I love and respect, unfortunately they are as rare as rocking horse crap.
2019-12-20 14:58
Wellp, try to move to like East-Europe, similiar language/economy as yours. Also the least down side effects of the EU!
2019-12-20 15:00
Nt newfag. Trump ain't got shit on FDR.
2019-12-23 12:38
Netherlands is already lost.
2019-12-20 14:41
Meh if the right partys gets a majority in 2021 we can still be saved. If not hell yeah NL is lost. I will probaly move to England then, cuz they will accept someone with money instead of an immigrant of Syria
2019-12-20 14:44
problematic group's children will have citizenship status (so you can never remove them anymore) + problematic group has a lot more children = centuries of your development flushed away within few decades
2019-12-20 21:58
#101
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Finland Vennsku
Yes, because EU is going to take our independency by setting laws on our behalf and we can't resist it. We are independent countries but EU is trying to stop us to make independent choices. France and Germany have so much more power than smaller countries to decide things. European Union is becoming European Federation.
2019-12-20 14:45
Yes and no. I like the idea of EU, but EU has too much power and it will get worse.
2019-12-20 14:46
Thats why I said the EU is becomming an dictatorship. It gets worse with time....
2019-12-20 14:47
#157
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Power != dictatorship.
2019-12-20 15:18
Yes, 3000%. Just join NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization). EU destroys for lots of European countries and people. Like bullshit Article 13 just to name one out of thousands of things.
2019-12-20 14:50
Finaly someone that has a brain in my thread thank you! You are so right, I wish the NEXIT would just happen right now. Once the BREXIT is done, people will see that leaving the EU wont bring any long term harm to the economy. Sure in the first 3 months THE UK might go down a bit, but this is 100% gonna benefit them in the long term.
2019-12-20 14:53
+1
2019-12-20 14:54
Serbia isn't even in EU so yeah
2019-12-20 14:52
Lucky, I wish my country was not in the EU either, sadly we are :( save me please mens
2019-12-20 14:53
#148
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Serbia is trying to join though, in the process of.
2019-12-20 15:16
France needs to move from EU UNION, imo.
2019-12-20 15:01
Fair enough, sadly with Macron you wont! But maybe Le Pen can help you leave
2019-12-20 15:13
#152
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Even Le Pen said they would not leave the EU if they got in power, its not popular enough and its completely impractical.
2019-12-20 15:17
Maybe a referendum :)
2019-12-20 15:24
#190
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United Kingdom Hammondo
I doubt they would win it. Even in Italy a euro-sceptic party won, and then as soon as they were elected they dropped the idea of leaving the euro and the EU (they didn't say they were planning on leaving the eu, but they said it anyway). Its just not realistic.
2019-12-20 15:28
Same, but I would gladly see countries leave the EU. I think the only realistic countries that COULD leave in the next 4 years are: Poland, Hungary and maybe just maybe (depends on 2021 elections) the Netherlands :)
2019-12-20 15:33
#214
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Poland is the most pro EU country in the EU, Poland and Ireland love the EU. Hungary and the Netherlands won't leave because they would not survive well out of the EU. Tiny countries surrounded mostly by EU countries, with no strength in trade agreements.
2019-12-20 15:39
What does the UK have what we dont have? We can easily get a good trade deal, also Poland is by far not the most pro eu country. I bet 100 euros Poland lets itself get kicked out of the EU.
2019-12-20 15:43
#228
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United Kingdom Hammondo
We don't have anything you don't, just bigger (which is not enough). We have already lost a lot of money because of Brexit and we have not even left yet. You can get a decent trade deal (worse than you currently have) with the EU, if you give them what they want. Then you got to make trade deals with the rest of the world, as a tiny country. You will be in a disadvantage with every single one of them, and then you gotta deal with fact that all imports and exports would need to travel through the EU (I am not sure if you need to go through EU water if you do them by boat, but that would be too many imports/exports to deal with at your ports). Poland tops the numbers for pro EU support independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pola.. pewresearch.org/global/2019/03/19/europe.. europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/files.. kafkadesk.org/2019/03/27/poland-is-most-..
2019-12-20 15:52
Will look into those articles later. Anyways I am sure we can leave with a good deal, even better then UK. If you have a majority to get the deal through, the EU gets scared and will say yes quicker. So once you have that YOUR country is the boss, and not the EU. 100% the EU needs something from you. Meanwhile you can just trade with the UK, Russia, Norway, Switserland, America, China etc etc. You just need the upper card, if you dont have that hell yeah the EU will give you a trash deal so you wont leave. I am sure the EU needs the Rotterdam dockyard. Also I dont really care if the deal is good or not. I just want my own country, and now a continent. We cant even close our borders lmao.. Its a shame to be in the EU, and I hope people vote for the right partys in 2021.
2019-12-20 15:59
#244
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United Kingdom Hammondo
The EU has never gotten scared of any trade deal ever. They are a massive body who competes with the US and China. The EU has the most free trade deals out of all countries/bodies and each one is to their advantage. They are fantastic trade deal negotiators. Also because of this the Netherlands, the UK, and every other EU country has NO trade negotiators currently, as there are no reason to have any. The EU does not need either of our countries, at all, you NEED the EU. You are surrounded by them, and make up the vast majority of their trade. You are a tiny drop in the ocean for them. You already do trade with those countries, but you are suggesting to trade with those countries without any trade deals, while being smaller than all of them, and while surrounded by the EU. Doing this while trying to make up for the huge loss of trade from the EU. "Intra-EU trade accounts for 74% of the Netherlands' exports (Germany 24%, Belgium 11% and France 8%), while outside the EU 4% go to the United States and 2% to China.In terms of imports," europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countr.. You joined the Schengen area, if that is what you are referring to.
2019-12-20 16:08
Alright fair enough. The EU right now is strong, but just imagine when more countries will leave. (If the BREXIT goes fine its pretty likely more countries will follow) then no one needs the EU anymore. And they wont compete with the USA/China. Also looks at Zwitserland. They are doing fine! A great example that you dont really need the EU at all. Also I will look at this article later today.
2019-12-20 16:10
#246
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United Kingdom Hammondo
That is a big IF. I do not believe the UK will do well, and if some countries leave the EU there are 100 percent some countries that will not, their support is too big. They have been competing on equal footing with the US and China for decades. We are the big 3. Switzerland is different, they have to follow EU law for most things, and do as they are told. They have many small trade agreements and are part of Schengen. Also a massive tax haven.
2019-12-20 16:15
We will all see what happends in the future. I am pretty sure once the UK leaves the EU, it will go bad for like 3-6 months. But I think you guys will get a great econmy in 6-24 months after you left the EU. Its all speculations for now, but we will see sooner or later.
2019-12-20 16:17
you dont lose any freedom you fucking retard LOOK UP WHAT THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION AND PARLAMENT DOES AND HOW ITS REPRESENTATIVES ARE ELECTED AND IN GENERAL HOW THE EU VOTES ON THINGS. there are so many right wingers like you who just do things and say things without actually fully understanding them, you are a plague on our societies. Go ahead and leave the union which let europe bounce back from 2 most destructive wars ever fought in history on this very continent. Leave the union which brought us lasting peace, something if you knew history you would know we never before had. Leave the union which brought us unity and economic prosperity, choose disparity. Let europe fade into irrelevancy.
2019-12-20 15:07
Dumbo, imagine thinking history is relevant for leaving. The EU was good now its bad. Just to name 3 quick things, article 13, mass immigration and EU law above your own nations law. Gtfo you left imbecile
2019-12-20 15:15
> imagine thinking history is relevant for leaving That's anti-vaxxers logic right there.
2019-12-20 15:18
Alsof de 2de wereld oorlog iets te maken heeft met de EU van nu -.- lmao
2019-12-20 15:19
if there was no problems after and no consequences, yes but they would instantly invade ur country if u left the EU and u would have debt up into the double trillions.
2019-12-20 15:10
#146
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Biggest reason for eastern European countries joining, or wanting to join the EU, fear of Russia.
2019-12-20 15:16
They wont invade us buddy. 1. Belgium wont do anything. 2. Eastern-Europe wont give a damn. 3 France has issues with their people cuz they aint happy. 4. Germany wellp you see Merkel attack us? AHAHAHA no.
2019-12-20 15:16
Russia will break you if you will stay alone
2019-12-20 15:15
They wont break us. Russia wont break anyone maybe they want you guys... But they really wont and cant invade Europe lol.
2019-12-20 15:17
The problem for them is.. If they invade a NATO country they get bullied by America. So they wont attack
2019-12-20 15:23
but what if NATO won't help? Now it's looks like NATO don't help.. Trump wont send USA army to die for Europe it's 100%
2019-12-20 15:24
Man, you live like a scared man. The chance Russia would attack a country in NATO is like 0.0001%. I think the only thing Putin wants is Ukrain... But I dont really see them attacking Europe. Also the EU army can just defend against the Russians. Their army is lacking alot. Without nukes they wont come far.
2019-12-20 15:26
nah, He just trying to build ussr mb you are right but even at 1960 soviets always tried to force europe and usa for their geopolitical goals
2019-12-20 15:31
But right now Russia isnt doing much, some spy mission here and there but I bet the EU & USA also does that. I just dont see Russia do anything unless they get really close with Turkey. Maybe that will change stuff.
2019-12-20 15:35
Yes. #Spexit
2019-12-20 15:15
Hell yeah! I hope it happens soon for you buddy!
2019-12-20 15:17
It was always an union to make germany greater and richer , without any war , that's why UK left , cuz they didn't want to be under merkel dictatorship and bravo for them. Hopefully other countries will wake up and follow UK.
2019-12-20 15:17
bullshit I can recommend you a history class
2019-12-20 15:38
Do u know the UE political program is exactly the SAME as hitlers political programm ? :) That's why meinkempf is prohibited in UE my little friend , so yeah , i have a bit of knowledge , not MAINSTREAM propaganda knowledge of course.
2019-12-20 15:55
flair and flag check out. You took to much toilet cleaner gas
2019-12-20 15:55
See, u have nothing besides ur insults ,therefore the conversation is over. I encourage you to check these 2 programms and compare to each other , then come back and we can discuss , of course ull have to apologize first.
2019-12-20 15:56
I recommend you a history class otherwise it makes no sense to talk with a person with a wood IQ
2019-12-20 15:56
Just compare meinkampf to an european union political programm . Do it even for urself .Bye for now, my little angry friend. PS. In schools under the rule of leftist u have leftist propaganda , so im not even suprised ure brainwashed.
2019-12-20 16:01
#155
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Spain X4rly
No, now is not good for us to leave, but i would like if we had never joined.
2019-12-20 15:17
you better try to don't lose Barcelona
2019-12-20 15:23
#267
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Spain X4rly
We not going to loose anything man its just some idiots and some corrupt politicians doing a lot of noise.
2019-12-20 16:55
#410
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Spain Minixx77
Better try to get back Crimea
2019-12-23 12:14
Well Vox want a referendum! Hope it goes thru, and the people of Spain will decide the faith. Brexit, Spexit, and a Polexit damn... What a time we live in. Spain and Poland if you guys both leave the EU is over. More and more countries will follow. (Hungary 100%) please just please vote for a Spexit if Vox manages to do so.
2019-12-23 17:46
never.
2019-12-20 15:23
LOL EU
2019-12-20 15:24
Yeah you can laugh... :(
2019-12-20 15:38
Well there are actually people in switzerland who want to join. Thank god they're a minority. We spend so much money on them and have close to no say at all. Complete joke. They would shred us even more if we were in.
2019-12-20 15:40
Yep, the EU only wants $ and a continent full of colored people. They dont care about the white Europeans, they only care about $ and making Europe the new Middle-East.
2019-12-20 15:46
#258
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Well at the moment you are doing as you are told by the EU and getting no voice or say in any decision making.
2019-12-20 16:37
mad cos cant open cases?
2019-12-20 15:28
Nah idc about the cases, I care about the mass immigration and the EU laws above ours.
2019-12-20 15:37
Yes
2019-12-20 15:30
The idea behind the EU is good but it isn't more as an idea. The only thing we see is more assholes and more assholes.
2019-12-20 15:37
+1 the EU after ww2 was great, but right now its just bad.
2019-12-20 15:38
#215
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Denmark tHm
I think the EU gives my country a lot of good, but I can most certainly understand arguments for why people would want to leave. The way I see it, I don't really want to pay tax to the EU or have EU regulations determain certain things. Denmark is a very rich and wealthy country. Other countries in the EU are not. I dont want to give any money at all to the poorer member states. Not Denmark's fault they're poor, nor is it our duty to help them financially. And I hate the idea of having the Euro as Danish currency. I understand the convinience, but I think there's a certain national feeling of having your own currency. I dont wanna look at my money and see some building in France or Germany. It has nothing to do with the country its being used in. If anything, make localised Euros that are still valid in the entire union. The EU is mutually beneficial in other ways. The freedom of movement between borders, trade deals, unionised police and so on. I think financially Denmark would lose out a lot if we left. But on the other hand, we also pay a fuck ton extra tax to be in the union. I dont mind either or. I just dont think culturally we have anything in common with many of the other member states, and so therefore I think its awkward to be so tightly knit to many of them.
2019-12-20 15:40
Well said! I agree. Good thing for you is that your law is above the EU law. In the other EU countries its not. As you said you pay alot to other countries and to the EU as a whole. Its a shame, in the long term every wealthy country is better off without the EU.
2019-12-20 15:47
#241
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United Kingdom Hammondo
You cannot have a customs union/single market without common regulation. For me giving money for other poorer countries is one of the best things about the EU. So many peoples lives are helped from it.
2019-12-20 16:01
#259
tHm | 
Denmark tHm
A country is not a charity case. Stop being weak.
2019-12-20 16:41
#260
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United Kingdom Hammondo
I am not being weak, I could argue the opposite. What does it matter if its charity? Whats your argument?
2019-12-20 16:42
#262
tHm | 
Denmark tHm
In the real world, no one takes care of you. So when Greece ruins their own economy because of their own incompetence, why should the collective Europe weaken financially to bail them out? No one is taking care of you in the UK if you get homeless. If anything they push you away. Charity is also not involuntary. With the EU its a forced thing on people's tax. Keep in mind that countries here in Scandinavia already pay insane amounts of tax.
2019-12-20 16:44
#268
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United Kingdom Hammondo
Well no in the UK if you are homeless you get help. Even if you are not homeless and you need help, you get help. That's normal for every western country. If Greece failed than it would have been worse for the rest of the EU. Even so why leave them to die? Why not help them? You signed up to joining the EU, you knew what you were signing up for. We help each other. No one in the EU pays an insane amount of tax.
2019-12-20 16:55
wow someone has a brain
2019-12-20 18:54
Most of us are happy to pay our taxes and they are far from insane. We get a great society for those money, not just for ourselves but for everyone including strangers. Stop being so petty, that the EU is lifting countries which are not well off is an amazing thing and the World is better for it. The EU brings a lot including insuring peace and while it frustrating to see Poland and Hungary moving away the democratic values we are all supposed to be sharing, then hopefully they will see the error in that and come back or else they will need to be kicked from the club.
2019-12-22 15:42
EU is not-democratic bureaucrat pig herd
2019-12-23 12:47
LOL Classic troll. Instead or arguments just mud.
2019-12-23 16:35
you sound like a really nice person
2019-12-20 16:45
#269
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United Kingdom Hammondo
I try to be, thanks.
2019-12-20 16:55
+1
2019-12-22 15:36
UK KİCK +RUSSİA
2019-12-20 16:18
you sir, are not very smart
2019-12-20 16:33
nah we would be fucked
2019-12-20 16:44
I'd never want the Netherlands to leave. It is dependent on the EU, and even thought that is the reason Britain left I think that should be the reason why us Dutch need to stay.
2019-12-20 16:45
Dont be naive kiddo
2019-12-20 17:19
Make EU without some bullshit laws, bullshit parliament, bullshit european commission and EU will be great again.
2019-12-20 17:36
Eu = modern day HRE If Germany leaves, it would collapse automatically
2019-12-20 18:16
for our current situation would not be advantageous, but i think trying to get eu fixed would be interesting i dont judge ppl who wanna leaves eu, theyve their rights
2019-12-20 19:46
Join burgerland mens))
2019-12-20 22:39
#308
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Lebanon Dogman69
UK won't leave EU
2019-12-20 23:32
I concur :)
2019-12-20 23:43
no
2019-12-21 00:45
i never left😎
2019-12-21 01:17
-1 This guy is just baiting, hopefully... He can't be serious, right?
2019-12-21 01:20
EU flag checks out
2019-12-23 11:44
#329
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North America Tic0
I think we should leave the EU
2019-12-21 03:31
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS fuck EU
2019-12-21 03:32
+1
2019-12-23 11:44
we are not economical capable of it. btw, tell me how the eu is getting a dictatorship instead of a helping system, im not saying i disagree but i want to hear your arguments for such a statement.
2019-12-21 03:33
Article 13. Posible EU army. EU law above national LAW. We pay ALOT of $ to the EU each year, so if we leave we dont have to pay them. We can actually leave. Our economy is getting bad in the first 1-2 years, but it will go up, and will be better then the EU within 5 years.
2019-12-21 19:12
we make a ton off shipping trough rotterdam europort harbor, this harbor is better then antwerpen because the traintracks in the netherlands are capable of transporting more goods than antwerpen. but the extra costs that we will get because of new trade deals, antwerpen will be better for the european union. we will lose a shitton of money with that. not talking about the aircargo we are receiving for and from the rest of the eu.
2019-12-21 20:25
It really depends on the trade deal you can get. But I am postitive NL will get out of it all with more postive then negative things.
2019-12-21 22:47
positives -no laws that will be accepted because of the eu -borders under own control negatives - less cargo through europort, schiphol, eindhoven, MAA and lelystad, which means less money for the government as rotterdam europort and schiphol are by far the biggest money making machines for the netherlands. - higher prices for products not made inside the Netherlands, think about. electric devices, food, cloths, electricity, gas and cars (We as the Netherlands have our own trade deals, but these are set up with and by the EU. we will have to fix new deals and its not sure that we will get ourselves the better out of it. - we will have to protect our borders, which won't mean that we will have less refugees. the borders of the netherlands are in some parts indefensible. it will cost us money and will only make sure that instead of refugees we now get illegal refugees. (i am not saying more but you can expect that there will be an significant amount still) - douane controls at all our airports because you can't travel to the Netherlands free anymore. - friesland will also start a referendum for a fryslan exit, not that this is a massive problem cause no one likes them anyway. (this is a meme btw xD) you could say that we would be able to make a deal with germany to keep our borders open, the Germans will insist on getting a hard border. they are one of the leaders of the EU and they will not let themselves be screwed by the dutch. the same goes for Belgium. i have to say. if there is a country that might have the option to become a new Singapore, its the Netherlands because we have a very good diplomatic bond with almost everyone.
2019-12-22 01:08
Will reply tmmr.
2019-12-22 01:34
take your time mate! no hurry!
2019-12-22 11:24
As I stated before, our economy will go down. But in the long term it will be good again. About the borders, we can protect them easily. We have enough guards, police and military to guard it. They wont come with a boat, they come from Germany or Belgium most likely. About the douana at airports, well I like it actually. More safety, only postive signs! The only negative thing I really can think of is the trade. But maybe we can leave and keep the EEG. That would be the best solution. Once the Brexit goes FINE, more people will realise we are better off without the EU. Its a matter of time.
2019-12-23 11:44
where is this enough military, police and guards you're talking about? for as far as i know the is it a common thing that the dutch government has a serious shortage of police forces. why else would they promote working for the ''defensie'' so much. its not like people are currently dreaming about working massively in the army and with the police. hope you had a great Christmas btw!
2019-12-26 22:36
Alot of military that are in somewhere in the world now, go back to The Netherlands to guard the borders. Alot of military is home right now, or on a base doing nothing. Airports have enough security. The borders might be problem, yet at the same time... You put up check points at roads, the border doesnt consist 100% of roads so its easy to check. Then you have some small patrols are woods etc. It just needs to be HARD to get it, nothing is imposible so we shouldnt even try to do so. If they get caught they should been send away within 3 days. If military is not enough, put verplichte dienstplicht back, and let them guard our borders! Merry Xmas
2019-12-26 22:50
Alot of military that are in somewhere in the world now, go back to The Netherlands to guard the borders. We made agreements with not only the EU but also with the USA and the VN to help out and give effort in places where there is currently a bit of trouble. we can not just retreat our groups from Afghanistan, Irak and Syria. more then 65% (if i remember correctly) of the people fit enough for conscription (dienstplicht) have shown back in 2016 that they were absolutely not okay with the idea to make conscription a thing again. i am not for it nor am i against it but i do think that its really important to listen to what your country wants and even if only 51% does not want conscription back. it be that way. (i BTW believe it was Burma who was laughed at for talking about conscription and ''every kid needs to learn the national anthem in school'' i have to agree that if we need to protect our borders, the extra things that need to be done for the army will give a slight boost to some parts of the economy. Yet Brabant is going to be one hell of a pain in the ass. Brabant is one of the head producers of drugs for big parts of Europe. Its illegal and we know that, but now drug traffickers can easily sell and ship their products. you should not think that they will simply stop trafficking drugs over the border once the borders are closed. more importantly, you should not underestimate the firepower behind these organisations
2019-12-27 00:43
You cant guard the borders 24/7. But 100% you can stop the MASS-immigration. In the first place, NL doesnt even really care about the USA. USA asked for help at the Turkish/Syrian border (Kurdish section) and NO one helped them. Meaning when the USA withdrew from the borders, Turkey attacked them. Imo we should listen more to America. leaving the EU means we have more money to spend on the military, instead of paying it to the EU. The drug cartels, we can get rid of mosts with police. They wont really fight the military, so its pretty save if you ask me. I really think the biggest benefit of leaving the EU, is you have control who comes in and out. And you can set the people you dont want, out of the country without going through the EU laws. Look at all the POLES working here, we can send them back, more houses are free meaning our AUTOCHTONE NLERS can live there. Since there is a massive shortage on houses. Look at France, Sweden & Germany. A multicultural society DOES NOT work. We need to get our sovereignty back, and make The Netherlands great again. The EU ruins our country, Mark Rutte ruins our country, the mass-immigration ruins our country. I really hope LE-PEN wins in France, and Geert Wilders & Baudet can get a massive win in 2021. If France leaves the EU alongside England the EU is nothing anymore. Poland wants to leave, Spain doesnt care, Hungary doesnt care. The EU will collapse!
2020-01-19 11:21
do not disrespect the poles, they are very hard working people and without the poles our economy would not be as good as it is today, they do the work even our low educated people think is to shitty for themselves. i agree on the fact that it would be really nice to being able to kick people out of the country when we want that but for as far as i know there is no rule within the EU that forbids us of sending Turkish and Moroccan people back to their home country. they have double ids so i would be possible. you should absolutely not underestimate to fire power behind some of the biggest drug ''cartels'' in Brabant. i do not think that they will be turned that easily especially not with the police force we have now. ''EU means we have more money to spend on the military'' no, we have less money in total. our biggest income of money are EuroPort rotterdam, the flower market and the big airfields. all this money we earn through export mostly to the UK and the Europe main land. the EU will just like they did with the UK make sure that we feel the hit of leaving the EU and its just not true that we are the same global trading power we where 300 years ago. when we leave big ships from china with cargo meant for other countries than the Netherlands itself will choose 10/10 for Antwerpen, Zeebrugge and hamburg. planes that will fly with goods for any country except the Netherlands will not land in Maastricht, Eindhoven or Schiphol anymore. they will land in Dusseldorf, Paris, liege and Leipzig. goods out of the Netherlands will become more expensive because we need to pay for the control of it, goods that go out of the Netherlands also need to be controlled by germany or whatever country it is being shipped at. this will also cost money for them and they will most likely look for other countries that make the same goods cheaper or without any border control. this means that we as dutch people need to spend more money on goods from anywhere in the world and that we make less than we did before. cause if we keep the prices as high as they are now no one will buy our goods because original price + control costs = higher as before. so we need to lower price + control costs = as high as before. it won't do good for the economy and wealthiness of the Netherlands and its delusional to think that we will walk away from this with good trade deals. you might hope for getting the best and you sure can but that is a risk i am not willing to take.
2020-01-19 12:38
No, because we need their money.
2019-12-21 03:41
We pay ALOT to them lmao
2019-12-21 19:12
#411
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Netherlands WWF
Not like you will pay less tax if they didn't exist
2019-12-23 12:15
#333
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United States sorcrcrc
if america joined and the left the eu i would shit my pants
2019-12-21 03:43
The US would have to fix a lot of things to be even considered. Like you dysfunctional democracy, having capital punishment, huge debt, allow your live stock to be given hormones...just on food safety there are huge issues.
2019-12-22 15:31
Eu good economi so UK>Eu Germany>Eu +Uk+Germany=Eu big bosses
2019-12-21 03:53
#347
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Finland vBCS
Eu is an expensive cucking service xDDD All should exit
2019-12-21 21:33
+1
2019-12-22 01:41
How old are you? Because they way you type and your (poor) understanding of the EU is...funny to say the least. Anyway the NL is a small country surrounded by EU countries, it would get fucked in the ass. Your fellow countrymen know it, when asked "if a referendum was held tomorrow regarding your country's membership of the EU, how would you vote?" 83% of the Dutch voted for remaining, the 2nd highest of any country, so I would say that leaving isn't a realistic option for now. europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/files..
2019-12-22 01:35
Yeah nice barometer leftie! I never had an option to answer. Nor does anyone I know. Its 1 big joke. They ask not even 1% of the population if they want to leave or not. PVV alone has around 1m votes. The party is for a Nexit. We have around 17m people in our country. There is a new party called FVD, most of their voters are also for a Nexit. 100% 2m+ people want to leave. Of the 17m people around 5m are underaged. Which means its an bigger percentage that want to leave then 17% gtfo you clown. Keep thinking in your left selfish bubble.
2019-12-22 01:40
How old are you?
2019-12-22 01:43
I am 18. Someone that actually doesnt care about the left news. And dont care about my left education. Once you dig deeper you will find how bad the EU is, and how bad the left partys are in my country. Imagine thinking Barometer is valid. Lmao
2019-12-22 01:45
Yeah I knew you were young, at least you weren't trolling, that's a good thing I guess "Once you dig deeper you will find how bad the EU is" You don't even need to dig deeper to understand that your country's economy would get a major blow, but you're an impressionable teenager who only care about immigration (that's the main issue, isn't it?) the fuck you know about trades anyway? "Will look into those articles later. Anyways I am sure we can leave with a good deal, even better then UK. If you have a majority to get the deal through, the EU gets scared and will say yes quicker. So once you have that YOUR country is the boss, and not the EU. 100% the EU needs something from you. Meanwhile you can just trade with the UK, Russia, Norway, Switserland, America, China etc etc. You just need the upper card, if you dont have that hell yeah the EU will give you a trash deal so you wont leave. " This is the rambling of a kid, it's genuinely funny how clueless you are, and I'm not even saying this in a sarcastic manner, it's like you're playing monopoly
2019-12-22 02:06
Well you think 83% of the Dutch people would vote to stay in the EU lmao. By the FVD & PVV voters amount its around 40%. And the biggest and "best" poll maker in our country estimate its 30%. A bit higher then 17% buddy. So you are also playing some monopoly in a delusional left world.
2019-12-22 10:03
You 🚗?
2019-12-22 01:44
Yes I car mens
2019-12-22 01:45
Deep
2019-12-22 12:54
Why do people still think elections matter? We always end up with two candidates who nobody really likes.. Elections -_- More like Selections
2019-12-22 01:57
Elections work fine in real democracies.
2019-12-22 15:27
#369
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Finland N1ggers
FINXIT
2019-12-22 11:32
I hope it for you mens!
2019-12-22 16:59
I want Poland and Hungary to act like they long for being back the iron curtain, both countries are moving away from democracy and towards totalitarianism. And since they tend to cover for each other in the EU system, it is becoming difficult to for the EU to holding them to the democratic values of the EU (an ironic problem in itself). So if Poland or Hungary or both keep moving towards evil, then they should be kicked from the EU.
2019-12-22 15:25
You don't obey the corrupt EU rule you're clearly moving towards evil, shut up boot licker but yes I hope the EU does kick them out so they can join us in freedom and sovereignty and force a higher tax on the remaining states to prop up the rest of Europe, Germany and France can't last much longer paying for other countries to improve it's only a matter of time before the whole authoritarian German fourth Reich comes crashing down.
2019-12-23 11:47
You r right about EU, but Germany and France dont pay us only to improve our country. Even German politicians confirm that for each 1 Euro sent to Poland, 90 cents are coming back to Germany. During the last 25 years most of Polish governments were elected indirectly by Germany to oversee their business. And they did: Polish industry practically does not exist, Polish banking system almost does not exist, 90% of local media owned by German companies....The last elections of Donald Tusk is very good example and proof.. Close to 2 mln mostly educated Poles emigrated to Western EU... Polish benefits are less fruity than it appears. With immigrants the plan was simple: Central and Eastern European resources of young people were getting to be explored, but Germany needed young determined people to support their economy. They invited refugees and they wanted to select the best educated and send the rest of them to other countries (like Poland).
2019-12-23 13:00
BS, BS and more BS.
2019-12-23 16:34
LOL Classic troll. Instead or arguments just mud.
2019-12-23 20:17
-Turkey
2019-12-22 16:04
I would prefer to stay, i think the idea is good. Just need some fixes and i think we can resolve this.
2019-12-22 16:07
#BrexitMeansBrexit
2019-12-22 19:23
Hell yeah it does Boris will get it done!
2019-12-23 11:39
I just hope France and Germany suffer massive economic instability when the EU crashes and burns. The damage they have caused to the rest of Europe especially since 2015 and their wanting to bring in millions of undocumented migrants to increase the unskilled work force and drive don't he wages of the average European worker is disgusting. Head's should roll and it should be those who placed this burden on the European people. Merkel is one of the major people to blame for this, for the Nice terrorist attack, for the Paris attack, for the Berlin truck attack and for the many mass rapes, the blood is on her hands and the hands of the people that wanted to force this project over the European people with no care for the consequences that came with it.
2019-12-23 11:51
I agree 1000000% with you well said! Macron and Merkel are a danger for our demogracy! Once I got alot of money, I will most likely try to go to the UK or Eastern-Europe. Western-Europe is becoming an wallhalla for immigrants. I hate it. But if The Netherlands dont leave the EU within 10 years, NL is lost. I hope Boris is gonna be a great MP and help your country to stabelise after the Brexit. Goodluck, and I hope it works out. ISIS terrorists everywhere in the EU cuz of the EU
2019-12-23 11:57
#393
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Sweden wtf_men
I left the EU but I came back when my vacation was over
2019-12-23 11:44
#397
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China Manchu
Just let Turkey join and it will be better for all of you guys.
2019-12-23 11:48
Most EU countries dont want dictator called Erdogan in the EU
2019-12-23 11:52
#401
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China Manchu
Seems to be the case.
2019-12-23 11:54
Nothing is more dangerous then Merkel, even Erdogan is better then her.
2019-12-23 12:00
#412
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China Manchu
She seems to act as a budget dictator.
2019-12-23 12:19
+1
2019-12-23 12:23
u know the netherlands will be absorbed by the ocean in the future? maybe its better to have some friends then, so u can migrate to other european countries?
2019-12-23 11:59
Money, connections and being white can do magical stuff. The white part is actually sad, but its true. And wellp you NEED the other 2 now a days. If I want to move to England, and have alot of money they will most likely allow me to come. Since I am from western Europe I already have more chance then someone from Russia or Africa. Western-NL will get drowned by the ocean, but not soon. The climate will not get better with a green Europe. Asia, and America need to change aswell or it has NO effect. Anyways if you leave the EU, America, Russia and other non EU countries such as Norway can be your friend.
2019-12-23 12:04
so the poor white guys/muslims/blacks have to just swallow the pill, that a person like u who can start easier in another country wants to exit the eu and cut their chances to migrate/study in a foreign country?
2019-12-23 12:11
Do you think I care where they study? They should study in their own country lmao. If they want to migrate, they should get enough money and do it. Its really not my problem if they cant work 40 hour weeks. My dad works 60+ hours a week, and I never hear him cry how tired he is. Meanwhile most people are to lazy to even work 20 hours a week. As I said, if they dont want to make money, they shouldnt cry that they cant immigrate to other countries.
2019-12-23 12:23
ah ok so when west nl starts to sink u still have enough jobs for everyone? ah i forgot they just dont want to work. Just work buddy 4Head. u said it urself its easier for u to find a job than it is for blacks/muslims etc.
2019-12-23 12:26
Blacks can easily get jobs. Only Syrians that barely speak Dutch csn barely get one. Maybe they need to learn the language, and get a job cuz they actually easily can get a shitty job. They just want good jobs, but it doesnt work like that, but they dont understand it. Also West-NL wont sink in the next 100 years, so I dont really care.
2019-12-23 12:37
we talkin future here. if u want to exit the eu it is for the next 100 years and long after that. Exit the eu and it comes the point u want help from germany? nah go fuck off. Veteran_cs just gonna leave this sinking ship to go the states. The rest just have to deal with it.
2019-12-23 12:43
We dont need help from Germany lol. And ofc I will leave the sinking ship, you would do the same. I would never go to America, I would go to Eastern Europe, UK or Norway.
2019-12-23 13:02
u probably will need help from other eu countries in the future. dont be naive.
2019-12-23 13:34
Most likely yes. But I cant look in time. It wont happen in the next 100 years, and the technology is going fast!
2019-12-23 13:57
60+ hours a week .... Mine works 130 hours per day
2019-12-23 12:27
🤡🤡🤡 clown
2019-12-23 12:37
Its debatable who is the clown here
2019-12-23 12:38
60 hours a week aint even that much on paper lol. Enjoy your 1 euro per hour Greece mens.
2019-12-23 12:40
Probably your father works for 1 euro per hour bro , if he works 60 hours per week lol
2019-12-23 12:42
I am not sure how much he earns per hour lmao. But its atleast 11 euro an hour. So shut up non brainer.
2019-12-23 12:44
come on dude , 40 hours per week its the normal 8 hours per day , especially iin your country the salaries are ennough to work like that , i have several friends who work about 40-45 hours per week there . 60 hours its JUST slavery , i believe you are baiting OR your father is a work addict , in any case more than 40-45 hours per week its NOT NORMAL
2019-12-23 12:51
I know its normal to work 32-40 a week. I dont like the fact he works 60+ hours a week, but at the same time I dont really care. If he gets happy by that he can continue doing it. It was actually pretty nice cuz when I grew up, my mom was home 24/7 looking out for me and my brother. While my dad provided for us. In the last years, he really looks like a work addict. But I dont mind, cuz when hes free (summer and around Christmas) we go on holidays, and have some amazing times. Its not slavery its his own choice, and tbh I would like to work 60+ hours a week for like 2 months, just earn ALOT of money, and then quit work for like a year lmao. He works as much as posible, so he can enjoy his pension sooner. Right now hes 49, and he probaly can stop working when hes 55 pretty good right? Also, since he provided alot for me and my brother, I am willing to toprovide ALOT for my parents if they need it. Tbh every kid, (if they can) needs to provide for their parents so they can enjoy their pension earlier.I am not proud hes working 60+ hours a week, but it is what it is. Its not a bait.
2019-12-23 13:01
If he stops for 1-2 months per year its ok , he can rest then I thought its 60 hours every week all the year .
2019-12-23 13:04
That would be madness, and tbh I would probaly hate him since you barely see him then. I am the most grateful to my mom though, she really raised me. Him working 60+ hours is/was not needed, since my parents both had pretty much money stocked up before deciding to have kids, so they could provide for us till we were atleast 14. (Atleast they told me) I like everything I had in my childhood though, most of my friends didnt really got raised by 1 or both parents.
2019-12-23 13:07
Doors are open dude
2019-12-23 12:25
Follow in the footsteps of the MIGHTY BRITISH EMPIRE! Leave the EU :DDD
2019-12-23 12:48
We have to many lefties. But sooner or later their eyes will open when they get raped by an refugee.
2019-12-23 13:03
I just want to see a Europe of ultra close alliances on most aspects but the removal of the political union.
2019-12-23 13:07
+1 the EU is now dangerous, but back in the day it was GREAT! They should go back in time, and fix everything. And dont try to be the big boss of all the countries.
2019-12-23 13:08
Just take over and enforce a new REICH?
2019-12-23 12:50
No...
2019-12-23 13:04
Yes but no... Its complicated
2019-12-23 13:08
leave
2020-01-19 12:47
You indeed are the smartes rightist on HLTV. Xaxa
2020-01-22 14:01
#477
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Korea XigNw0w
We don't have to. Asian union when?
2020-01-19 12:49
As a good french patriot i'll say yes but it's actually a bad economic choice expect if all or a lot of countries make it also
2020-01-19 12:52
I mean once France and the UK are out the EU will fall, and all the other countries expect Germanistan will leave.
2020-01-30 14:43
Ur porbably right dude
2020-02-01 11:27
#483
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Georgia Megobari
I want my country to join EU)))
2020-02-01 11:28
I love EU :)
2020-02-01 11:28
#485
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Sweden RaaCCooN
frick no
2020-02-01 11:29
Britain wants to exit europe because she is gay except Princess Diana and her children,Sting.
2020-02-01 11:31
come join africa mens))
2020-02-01 11:32
its already occupied by China
2020-02-01 11:36
Yes please
2020-02-01 11:39
Sweden is becomming Swedistan. Save yourself! West-Europe is doomed if the left keeps winning. May the right win and gets us out of this occupation called the EU. DICTATORS in Brussel are ruining our lives. Hope their days are numberd.
2020-02-01 12:04
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