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We get it, thorin is salty cause ZywOo is gonna get #1, no need to spam his tweets.
2019-12-30 22:49
And who the fuck has better fragmovies than Zywoo anyways then lmfao? Is this guy braindead or baiting?
2019-12-30 23:14
Tell me a ZywOo fragmovie, never saw one tbh. And I dont mean just highlights, a legit fragmovie.
2019-12-30 23:20
*No highlights *Brings him higlights anyways Only in Brazil
2019-12-31 14:14
Whats a fragmovie then
2019-12-31 14:31
youtube.com/watch?v=zSesVcBvZtY Its more than just highlights
2019-12-31 15:36
Its a bunch of highlights you wonderfully intelligent gentlemens)
2020-01-20 13:29
Zywoo top 1 is well deserved. By far the best 2019 player.
2020-01-20 13:43
imagine 35s intro in 3min video :o
2020-01-20 13:27
bruh
2019-12-31 01:36
#104
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Brazil Maujubudo 
Bruh
2019-12-31 01:38
I said no highlights tho
2019-12-31 11:38
Well you're of bad-faith if you say that tbh fragmovies aren't as popular as they used to be, but ZywOo's got some good ones, even from before he joined Vitality btw
2019-12-31 14:14
I said no highlights tho
2019-12-31 15:02
Then you won't find a real fragmovie for any player this year And yeah ZywOo has fragmovies from before he joined Vitality, and I'm not talking about highlights
2019-12-31 15:14
#68
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Germany Marcimeister 
Braindead for sure
2019-12-30 23:46
Maybe Device??
2019-12-31 20:15
#58
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Finland Jodecast 
hahaha zywoo wont be #1, its not all about how good you are individually, its about how good you are individually and how you make your team perform by how you play
2019-12-30 23:27
#79
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Denmark Cleandog 
Zywoo will get #1 and its deserved. He is a briliant player to watch and all his stats are superiour. As much as it pains me Device will only get 2nd or 3rd place in 2019.
2019-12-31 00:00
#89
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Finland Jodecast 
Wont happen I promise, but we will see
2019-12-31 00:07
Bookmarked. I'll pm u my paypal later on.
2019-12-31 01:40
#110
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Europe obvious 
You're defintely new here. He is locked as the top1 player this year.
2019-12-31 01:45
#120
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Denmark Cleandog 
Yep. And it only seems fair given his extreme performance and vitality carry! We all know how additionally hard it is to carry incompetent teammates (or to be carried :-)
2019-12-31 09:08
you promise?
2020-01-20 13:42
#91
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Canada Sharkey3322 
Well that in itself is why he could get #1. Vitality wouldn't even be top 20 without him, Astralis could probably function without Device.
2019-12-31 00:12
#100
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Finland Jodecast 
The thing is, in his career devve have got a negative rating in 15events in his life, out of around 160different tournament/qualifiers that he has ever played since 2013, how the fuck can you replace a guy like that, thats mr consistent for you
2019-12-31 00:27
Exactly, people look at device and see a worse rating than what s1mple and ZyWoo have. What they should be seeing is that device is one of the most consistent players in the world in a team structured as an actual unit, instead of a flash/bait machine for their star player.
2019-12-31 01:27
#107
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Lithuania arres 
Thats top 20 of 2019 not top consistency of the whole career list. Both s1mple deserved it hands down last year and zywoo should and probably will in it this year. And before you begin to count mvps, evps and titles - go duck yourself
2019-12-31 01:41
Lmao ofc he was not top1 last year and wont be now for the exact same reason as last year, but a lot of people discredit him completely just for having a worse rating than these two mutants.
2019-12-31 13:59
#106
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Brazil Maujubudo 
"hahaha zywoo wont be #1, its not all about how good you are individually, its about how good you are individually" That would've been a good copy pasta if stoped here
2019-12-31 01:41
#109
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Lithuania arres 
"its about how good you are individually and how you make your team perform by how you play" So what you mean is glaive should be top1?
2019-12-31 01:45
#144
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Finland Jodecast 
Well glaive will definetly be on the list this year, if you made a list on best igl he would be 1, but individually he is not enough good
2019-12-31 13:36
Nice self rekt,Zywoo is literally the single reason that keeps Vitality in tier1.The 4 other players of the team would be happy to be top15.
2019-12-31 10:39
#145
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Finland Jodecast 
Zywoo: Everyone thinks he is without the doubt the best player,meanwhile they didnt win a single top tier event and they flopped at the major and even once failed to qualify. Pretty much hurt your name and makes it impossible, like the players on vitality are not that bad, they should do better tbh If you are truly that great you should be winning everything with the best player in the world on the team, this is navi syndrom all over again
2019-12-31 13:42
Only a team can win tournaments. Vitality is not a team,its Zywoo +4 bots that are average at best Astralis IS a team and thats why they can win.
2019-12-31 13:55
#87
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Sweden Lagge15 
Why would he be salty for that? Haven't he himself said ZywOo is #1 this year?
2019-12-31 00:05
Which Serbian guy ?
2019-12-30 22:49
#5
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France Nicolito 
Tesla
2019-12-30 22:51
Who is he??? Never heard of him.
2019-12-30 22:51
who?
2019-12-30 22:52
#88
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Sweden Lagge15 
Tesla wasn't Serbian, he was Croatian
2019-12-31 00:06
#130
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Albania Number1awper 
I thought he was Albanian?
2019-12-31 10:48
#142
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Sweden Lagge15 
Born in Smiljan
2019-12-31 11:45
lol that's a car not a guy you dumb xD 😂😂😂
2019-12-31 02:18
#11
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Argentina n4ziS1mple 
ynk
2019-12-30 22:52
Lol no
2019-12-30 22:53
The hltv guy always tweeting about stats, him and thorin dont like each other, and thorin disagrees with him on ranking always. I dont member his name rn
2019-12-30 22:53
it's in the topic's name ^^
2019-12-30 22:57
Oops lol I just click when i read thorin in title cuz i know its just gonna be some juicy comments in there
2019-12-30 22:58
#47
ropz | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
LUL
2019-12-30 23:16
tgwri1iquser
2019-12-30 22:55
#36
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
wtfff
2019-12-30 23:07
Hi Peter Milovanovic, how are you today?????
2019-12-30 23:12
#43
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
im not petar!!!!
2019-12-30 23:13
Gavrilo Princip
2019-12-30 22:55
#56
DaZeD | 
Turkey qubeKs 
Lmao
2019-12-30 23:26
#94
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Sweden Lagge15 
The best Serbian in history
2019-12-31 00:15
Gavrilo Princip
2019-12-31 14:40
zywoo will fall off because he is fat all fat players get much worse because they are weak and will have mental issues s1mple will be top1 as long as he stays SLICK
2019-12-30 22:50
or slim flamie?
2019-12-30 22:51
no, he was fat
2019-12-30 22:52
flamie has definitely been slimmer
2019-12-31 11:40
#19
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
Fat players only fall off if they lose weight or get old
2019-12-30 22:56
flamie is still fat and was insane back in the day same with hiko
2019-12-30 22:57
#62
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
Flame is not as fat as he used to be and hiko is 29
2019-12-30 23:39
he is still fat
2019-12-30 23:40
#66
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
"Fat players only fall off if they lose weight" Flamie still lost weight
2019-12-30 23:44
you're quoting your own comment wtf youre on about
2019-12-30 23:45
#73
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
I'm quoting my own comment because I never said fat players have to become thin to fall off, just lose weight. Flamie is not as fat as he was, so he has lost weight. Yes, he's not thin, but that's irrelevant.
2019-12-30 23:48
my point still stands
2019-12-30 23:49
#80
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
No it doesn't.
2019-12-31 00:02
you're mad
2019-12-31 00:02
#83
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
Why would I be mad xd
2019-12-31 00:03
xd
2019-12-31 00:03
#85
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
xDDD
2019-12-31 00:03
#40
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Argentina n4ziS1mple 
well . coldzera was fat in 2016 , and we was the top 1 in 2017 he was not fat anymore and he was the top 1 again flusha snax? flamie?
2019-12-30 23:12
#64
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
Fat people don't fall off because they're thin. Correlation not causation. Flusha still good and is thinner too Snax old Flame thinner
2019-12-30 23:40
yeah, preparing specific foods and working out would probably take away from practicing cs
2019-12-31 02:39
Nah, ive never seen a player play as effortless as ZywOo, not even s1mple last year. And he is still only like 19 or 18, i think ZywOo will be better than s1mple in the end, except if s1mple becomes even better, he is insane aim but makes too many agressive dumb plays at times, when ZywOo goes agressive its always through a smart play, zywoo god
2019-12-30 22:57
you havent seen s1mple play then
2019-12-30 22:58
I have, he maybe has more raw skill than ZywOo but the difference is small, and ZywOo for sure has better game sense than s1mple at least at the moment, but then again s1mple is kinda dipping, i guess we have to wait and see when they hit their peek at the same time. Then we can truly tell
2019-12-30 22:59
i bet you if they would be on the same mix team s1mple would have more impact
2019-12-30 23:00
+1 but could be the way around, we can’t know.
2019-12-30 23:04
now it might be much closer but last year s1mple was doing inhuman things
2019-12-30 23:13
your comments make no sense at all - hit their peak together? im pretty sure they are already in their peak - wouldnt make the pure raw skill s1mple anyway the better player? - pretty sure zywoo didnt do anything on a major yet, meanwhile s1mple reached 2 finals already while being part of weaker teams
2019-12-30 23:07
ZywOo's first year, s1mple been there since 2015
2019-12-31 11:21
#4
OK | 
Peru NotJuan 
Mad cuz device top3
2019-12-30 22:50
#7
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Croatia mds818 
tbh, I feel like certain "best player" stuff is overrated, imo if you make top20 players in the year.. sure device, zywoo and simple are going to be high but in a way #4-#20 can be pretty much anyone... yes it won't be anyone but point being competition is close
2019-12-30 22:51
#12
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
literally just mentioned the 2 majors and thats it. pero ako citas ovo, thorin ima aspergers, ne slusaj ga brate moje
2019-12-30 22:54
#15
mika | 
Turkey lil_ghost 
true, device should be #1
2019-12-30 22:54
#59
DaZeD | 
Turkey qubeKs 
Nt fan of onliner
2019-12-30 23:27
#16
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Netherlands Boutdis 
he's just mad dev1ce will never be #1 in real cs stats XDDDD
2019-12-30 22:55
thorin: "Bugha can't be esports player of the year for winning 1 tournament fucking disgrace" thorin: "OG can't be best Dota team ever they just win TI but they are shit the whole year" also thorin: "device has to be #1, he was the best players at the majors this year"
2019-12-30 22:56
Lul
2019-12-30 23:20
#71
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Germany Marcimeister 
Lul
2019-12-30 23:48
+1
2019-12-31 00:21
Ok, let's do a more fair comparison. >a player can't be the best for winning 1 tournament in the year >a team can't be the best for winning 1 tournament in the year >a player can be the best for winning multiple events, coming back to form despite doubts over summer performances, and being the best at the most notable events in the year. Can't see the contradiction. I don't know enough about Thorin to say anything positive or negative about him, but this only points out that he at least has some logic.
2019-12-31 02:36
Pretty sure he never said 1 and 3
2019-12-31 10:45
he's just mad nobody cares about his top 20 or team rankings lmao
2019-12-30 22:56
#74
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Germany Marcimeister 
+1
2019-12-30 23:48
thorin always mad
2019-12-31 09:13
+1
2019-12-31 14:09
#27
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Other khorkalba 
HLTV deserve some criticism for the way in which they interpret their own stats. They don't take into consideration role / weapon difficulty. Their "big events" catagory is a poorly defined mess. And they seem to change their mind on the importance of major MVPs whenever they feel like it. That said, they're much more credible than Thorin. Thorin has a history of being extremely biased towards players he likes, and dismissive of players he's not so keen on. He would rewrite the entire history of CS:GO in order to make players like Ex6tenZ and kennyS appear greater than players like FalleN and Flusha... if given the opportunity.
2019-12-30 22:59
+1. Big Events IMO should be the majors and IEM. Thats the only time ALL teams will go in hard to participate and really battle it out. As a fan I get alot of joy from BLAST, Epicenter, StarSeries etc but too many of their events don't hold up in the same way and often missing out on key teams.
2019-12-30 23:05
#41
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Other khorkalba 
Even some of the IEMs can be a bit weak. Most players would consider IEM Katowice (when it's not a major) to be much more prestigious than something like IEM Sydney. And they'd certainly consider Cologne to be the most prestigious non-major event, when it's not a major. Events like Epicenter, StarSeries, ESL Pro League, etc. should be considered a tier below and therefore count less towards end of year player rankings. BLAST should be several tiers below as it's basically an exhibition event with exclusivity and a non-competitive format. The fact that HLTV consider this a big event stinks of corruption. Or perhaps they just made the decision early on and are now too stubborn to admit that they were wrong.
2019-12-30 23:12
Yeah but IEM has the Grand Slam now which means its moneywise bigger than the majors. Regardless if its IEM Katowice or Sydney it would count towards the Grand Slam 1 million dollar prizepool. Rest I agree on.
2019-12-30 23:19
#60
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Other khorkalba 
True, but ESL changed the rules for next season's Grand Slam. Now teams either have to win four events (including Katowice, Cologne, or a major) OR they have to win six of the lesser events. So they're basically putting a higher bounty on Katowice than the other IEMs, and a higher bounty on Cologne than the other ESL One events. If a player performs particularly well at Katowice or Cologne, and this ultimately results in their team securing the Grand Slam in four tournaments instead of six, this should really be reflected in the end of the year rankings - and they should be favoured more than the MVPs/EVPs of an event like IEM Beijing.
2019-12-30 23:28
#46
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Argentina n4ziS1mple 
blast is like a tier 2 event , but counts as a big event , wtf epicenter ok starseries is a big event.. in my opinion
2019-12-30 23:14
+1 Legitimising the BLAST events as a "big event" is ridiculous sometimes.
2019-12-30 23:51
nothing to say but +1
2019-12-30 23:08
the big events brand has kind of faded lately as there are so many events that meet the criteria of having top teams and prize money
2019-12-30 23:37
I agree with thorin. It's stupid that 1 guy gets to decide the top20 and the rest of the community blindly follows the ranking as if it was sent from above even though it's a matter of opinion. Just because x player gets top1 2019 does not mean they WERE the best player of 2019, IS the best player currently and WILL BE the best player during 2020.
2019-12-30 22:59
Remember it is tgwri1s that make the top20. It has not been sent down from somewhere up above.
2019-12-30 23:13
Well no shit sherlock if he's the owner of hltv who the fuck above him would give him the top 20 hltv list ? Allah ?
2019-12-30 23:17
#112
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Europe obvious 
He is co owner
2019-12-31 01:49
No. They are finding the player that performed the best from 01/01-2019 to 31/12-2019. Nothing about being the BEST player, but its about being the best performing player for a year. Like Zywoo was the player with the highest skill ceiling, but that dosent mean that he is guaranteed the number one spot. HLTV and tgwri1s set up some criterias of what they value. And if you want to be as objective as possible, stats are a good way to go.
2019-12-30 23:25
but thorin literally does the same. have you seen his braindead team rankings? It's not like hltv is perfect or that thorin comes up with a better method. he literally just takes the hltv ranking and changes like two positions and calls it "expert opinion". and he is constantly wrong. everything he does and says is literally not better than hltv or even shitty reddit.
2019-12-31 00:16
Better than reddit. But not better than hltv
2019-12-31 10:31
lol thorin wants devices D so bad
2019-12-30 22:59
actually he roots for s1mple
2019-12-30 23:08
Thorin is braindead
2019-12-30 23:00
#53
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Brazil Eneas56 
I think his jail days still hunt him youtube.com/watch?v=524RCL-vAJc&feature=..
2019-12-30 23:22
#54
WARDELL | 
Canada ZHF 
Thoorin vs HLTV round 9999
2019-12-30 23:25
Anyway the hltv top 20 is like the Ballon d'Or in football, you will always find people bitching about the winner and how it is attributed. Either you attribute it according to numbers and stats and then people bitch because there is more to the game than just stats. Or you attribute it according to other intangible factors like "he makes his team better", "he gets more important kills", "he chokes less" and people bitch because of all that shit is down to subjectivity.
2019-12-30 23:26
#65
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Russia ToughGuy 
He's right but blind fangays still crying
2019-12-30 23:43
Did Thorin watch csgo events this year? If yes, he would know ZywOo is top 1. No need to look at stats to know who was the best a given year.
2019-12-30 23:46
Sometimes people do value the HLTV top 20 a bit too highly.
2019-12-30 23:47
#72
ropz | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
let the ginger cry... tgwri1s in any case has more brain then him
2019-12-30 23:48
the guy that has stats from BL*ST events in the big event filter is supposed to be smarter than thorin ?
2019-12-30 23:58
#78
ropz | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
yes? considering the other guy
2019-12-30 23:59
wondering why 90 % of all germans are triggered by thorin ...
2019-12-31 00:02
#86
ropz | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
yeah whats wrong with you
2019-12-31 00:04
I am not part of the 90 % ?
2019-12-31 00:12
#92
ropz | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
yes exactly get in line
2019-12-31 00:13
no thanks. I prefer to use my brain.
2019-12-31 00:14
#95
ropz | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
yes indeed
2019-12-31 00:15
clearly you don't
2019-12-31 00:20
the bar for "smarter than thorin" is very low
2019-12-31 00:19
LUL
2019-12-31 11:24
Yes,but they said that blast doesnt have as much impact Both towards individual stats and team points in ranking
2019-12-31 11:20
This doesn't make sense at all. I mean: the statistics support ZywOo being top 1 100%, not a single bit of doubt, this has nothing to do with frag movies. But I honestly think thorin is baiting a lot just to get attention to stay relevant or to gain relevance, respectively.
2019-12-31 01:13
The first statement sentence should mean ofc that the ranking should be based on those statistics, which he finds unnecessary
2019-12-31 02:27
Imagine caring about what THIS GUY imgur.com/wZdxhoe says
2019-12-31 01:45
Thorin just wants attention, he's a whore attwhore, don't encourage him with topics
2019-12-31 01:46
#115
BnTeT | 
Indonesia lukerey 
Zywoo locked #1 spot when he got mvp on epicenter. End of discussion.
2019-12-31 02:28
Yeah best player of the year should be decided by how many upvotes and likes a players clips get I usually agree with Thorin on these kind of things but in this case he's braindead
2019-12-31 02:31
+1 thorin is dumb
2019-12-31 10:35
are you illiterate? 👌😎
2019-12-31 10:47
#117
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Pakistan MeMeMeisteR2 
Lol his tweet is contradictory. On one hand he says it's wrong to judge players based on their highlights alone and on the other he says the using hltv numbers to judge which actually indicates the players performance is also wrong. Wtf?
2019-12-31 02:32
That’s Thorin for you, and that’s why people always talk about him.
2019-12-31 10:39
He never said hltv ranking is wrong,he is calling out fans that blindly believe everything the hltv ranking states but it is just an opninion even if its based on stats
2019-12-31 10:52
#134
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Pakistan MeMeMeisteR2 
I didn't realize he was talking about hltv ranking , which like u said is just an opinion. I thought he was talking about hltv rating , which is the accurate way of making top 10. And no , no one is slave to hltv rankings. Everyone has their opinion and they stick by it , most people still say flusha deserved #1 in 2014. Most people agreed that simple should be #1 , which he was. Most people are already saying zywoo top 1 is deserved , regardless of weather hltv puts him there or not. If zywoo gets #1 most fans would be content , but trust me if device gets #1 he will never be accepted as the best player of this year. People believe what they want , I see most of them shitting on hltv rankings tbh
2019-12-31 11:15
their ranking is not perfect but it's actually decent, just watch football and ballon dor where cr7 gets 3rd place for nothing, objectively he wouldnt even be in top20 but media net worth and being the most famous footballer took him to the 3rd place, so we should actually respect hltv and their rankings a little bit more
2019-12-31 10:46
why i feel like thorin is a typical uk ginger with depression who uses drugs at least once per 2 days to feel better and when he's sniffing he posts shit like this because his brain doesnt connect
2019-12-31 10:47
He isnt calling out hltv as 90% of people seem to think,he is calling out fans that blindly believe what the hltv ranking tells them like it would be the official ranking of the game meanwhile it is clearly not.
2019-12-31 10:49
he is 100% right. ppl dont think and they discuss with no arguments. at the end of the day, the argumentation often is "player X is rank Y and > player Z with rank Y+1. why? hltv ranking!" the discussions were more authentic and dynamic when ppl made vids, analysis etc. to actually show their points and back their opinions.
2019-12-31 11:10
stfu thorin ec0vice is boosted trash
2019-12-31 11:17
Look at the motherfuckin date bruh
2020-01-20 13:57
yeah, im looking how about you?
2020-01-20 13:59
#139
Cheater | 
China imd0g 
no the top player is based on his look money & how succesfull is fucking beta male talking like a woman like who is following this redheared nerd
2019-12-31 11:25
He is quite right. Ace vs 5 glocks will give you the same rating as an ace vs 5 x full guys. Not mentioning the impact of economy though - for example winning a round and forcing the enemy team to play eco round. Numbers do not include this.
2019-12-31 11:54
#150
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Other khorkalba 
I can't tell if they're just being lazy, or whether it's a case of stats guys being really smart when it comes to numbers but not understanding the game enough to know that some kills are more difficult to obtain than others. I'd still pick flawed stats over Thorin's personal bias and revisionist history... but HLTV should really get their act together.
2019-12-31 14:13
You are completely right, HLTV ranking is pretty good but simply not perfect.
2019-12-31 20:11
#157
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China Manchu 
He retweets quotebot
2019-12-31 15:18
Expected from mr.esportsanalystexperthystorian
2019-12-31 15:39
Who cares about what he says? Just ignore thorin and let him fade away into obscurity.
2020-01-20 13:52
#167
xsepower | 
Russia zj2 
great idea, xms top 1
2020-01-20 13:54
Station7
1.72
Oceanus
2.08
Neverest
1.84
Rejected
1.90
PACT
2.33
pro100
1.58
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