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Device #1
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
Anyone who argues device ("D3vic3") is the best player of 2019 is CLUELESS. Yes, he won more events due to his team. The hltv top 20 is for INDIVIDUALS. As individuals it is very clear ZywOo is better than device by far. And also a little bit better than s1mple. S1mple is also better than device by a long shot. D3vic3.
2020-01-05 20:48
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#1
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
If D3vic3 gets #2 or above I will boycott HLTV.
2020-01-05 20:48
#9
fisker | 
Sweden sweden4k 
but #2 would be deserved since s1mple didnt play much but #1 hell no
2020-01-05 20:53
#21
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
yes, zywoo #1 s1mple #2 ----skill gap------ device #3
2020-01-05 21:01
Pashanoj #1 ---skill gap--- zywoo #2 s1mple #3 krystal #4 ---skill gap--- all other
2020-01-05 22:46
#76
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Sweden eXXXist 
Whooo?
2020-01-07 15:05
#85
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Finland trashsports 
PASHAN oJ
2020-01-07 15:14
#193
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Europe Konannes 
1.Konannes 2.Zywoo. 3.S1mple
2020-01-12 20:35
#195
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Poland doxa2137 
#0 (better than anyone) OverDrive ---skillgap---- #1 who gives a fuck overdrive >>>> any pro player
2020-01-12 20:39
+1
2020-01-07 15:15
#96
s1mple | 
Canada roylin 
Zywoo S1mple -skill gap- -skill gap- -skill gap- -skill gap- -skill gap- -skill gap- -skill gap- D3vic3
2020-01-09 13:36
#104
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
+1
2020-01-09 15:47
#163
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Australia MercAm 
+111111111111111
2020-01-12 08:50
me2, your explanation is 100% right, its individuals list
2020-01-05 20:55
and nobody cars what you do he should be #2
2020-01-07 15:12
#108
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Denmark Sir_Cumcised 
No one will miss you
2020-01-09 17:02
Prepare to say goodbye at the end of the month.
2020-01-09 17:02
Just leave already. Nobody wants you here.
2020-01-09 18:12
#120
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
reported for hurting my feelings
2020-01-09 18:52
He won't Elige was to good this year. 1. Zyw0o 2. Elige 3. S1mple 4. Device 5. Magisk/Naf
2020-01-13 07:25
#223
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
NA 10 IQ ? Be real, elige is place 5 max
2020-01-13 09:30
Lmao ok bud. We'll see over the course of the next week. But to think Elige is 5 max is hilarious. Almost as funny as the people who think Device will be #1
2020-01-13 18:53
Almost as funny as people who think s1mple will be top1
2020-01-18 07:25
Agreed!
2020-01-18 08:43
#231
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Denmark Farmand 
Lmao you wont. Even if it turned out hltv is run by the rothscild family you would stay. You are bound to it
2020-01-13 12:21
#232
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
I will 100% leave my friend
2020-01-13 12:43
#234
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Denmark Farmand 
No you won't
2020-01-13 13:07
sorry bud device #2
2020-01-18 07:23
#2
s1mple | 
Canada roylin 
D5vic5
2020-01-05 20:48
thats whats wrong with this top 20 looking only on individuals :(
2020-01-05 20:49
#79
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Germany GoBIG0rGoHome 
ofc ... a list rewarding individuals for their well played year shouldnt look on what the individual has done... logic isnt ur thing right?
2020-01-07 15:12
#88
Poland Este 
That said, MVPs are the ultimate evaluation of the best individual performance during biggest tournaments by a player. Same goes with EVPs. So... someone who won more MVPs should be considered better individually right? Why wouldn't we consider xhabaz as top1 this year? He is an amazing player, but it's not his fault his team is shit and he can't get to pro scene. Individually he is amazing.
2020-01-07 15:22
Some people here are deluded, saying the most mechanically and individually skilled player, no matter the actual achievements, should win. It has to be a mixture and the MVP/EVP count is as close to the middle as it gets imo.
2020-01-15 06:40
Zywoo should be top1, no contest, but s1mple being top2 would actually be embarrassing Might as well have electronic top4 and fucking kscerato in the top10
2020-01-05 20:49
#6
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
0/8
2020-01-05 20:50
#7
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
why? S1mple is clearly a better player than device in 2019.
2020-01-05 20:51
2 quick questions to see if you're worth talking to Is electronic a better player than eliige in 2019? Is niko a better player than brehze in 2019?
2020-01-05 20:57
#25
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
Lul u think I hate NA or only look at hltv rating. Of course they are both not better, elige star player in liquid dominance period, brehze is necessary for EG to reach top level
2020-01-05 21:05
#26
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
Stats don't say everything but they say something. Difference rating electronic and elige in 2019: 0.01 Difference rating niko and brehze in 2019: 0.03 Difference rating s1mple and device in 2019: 0.08
2020-01-05 21:06
#155
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
MVPs? Maps vs elite teams? hltv.org/stats/leaderboards?startDate=20.. Also not that cut and dry when you compare them vs top competition only .02.difference. The MVPs and success will outweigh that same as xyp vs jks. Everyone knows Jks was more vital to 100T but xyp was successful in the biggest tournaments so he outranked him. Zywoo on the other hand is just way too dominant individually, tops so many categories and is top 5 in some more most MVP/EVPs as well and highest big event playoff rating and impact by far.
2020-01-12 08:06
you think elige better than electronic and brehze better than niko?
2020-01-05 21:08
#31
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
in 2019 yes, at least brehze more than niko. elige only because he showed his insane skill ceiling at TL summer run
2020-01-05 21:11
0/8
2020-01-05 21:11
#38
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
meh maybe electronic better than elige, but not much. brehze better in 2019 than niko (but we know that niko would've been better if faze had proper IGL and not their issues so niko just can frag. but that didn't happen, maybe in 2020.)
2020-01-05 21:13
won't argue with that but yaa will see in 2020
2020-01-05 21:14
#43
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
We will see. On paper, cold olof niko in one team is insane, but seems like 'gods' of the game can fall of quicker than before
2020-01-05 21:17
#87
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Poland Lukovsky 
finally cold and niko in one team but if they don't get a proper igl it's going to be the biggest waste of talent ever
2020-01-07 15:17
#89
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
-broky +aleksi
2020-01-07 15:40
#92
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Poland Lukovsky 
not realistic but still gave me a boner
2020-01-07 15:54
#262
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Australia zanics 
Remember when aerial said that when "aleksi igl we just did defaults every round" maybe thats what faze need?? dont even get proper strats just play defaults and get frags for ez win??? 200 iq -broky +aleksi
2020-01-15 06:55
#102
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United States fatburger 
Delusional
2020-01-09 15:27
#103
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
why? flair bias
2020-01-09 15:46
#118
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United States fatburger 
i said delusional to denmark man
2020-01-09 18:34
#119
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
okay good mens
2020-01-09 18:51
#123
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United States fatburger 
i dont see how you can be even somewhat objective and say niko or electronic did more than elige or electronic did more than brehze
2020-01-09 19:01
what a braindead question! Electronic and elige are equally skilled, you can't compare them because they have strong raw aim and both of them are smart af but still i would go for electronic because he doesn't choke Niko is obviously way better than brehze doesn't matter how the year gone for niko and if you start denying my facts then idc because cry is free
2020-01-05 21:07
#35
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
Niko overall, waaaaaaaaaaaay better than brehze, but in 2019 faze was a mess so niko didn't perform as good in 2019.
2020-01-05 21:11
#36
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
And he started IGLing and that mess
2020-01-05 21:12
doesn't matter he is asking as a player so as a player they both are better than elige and brehze, hltv rankings are shit, get over it
2020-01-05 21:13
No I'm asking as a player in 2019. rankings are supposed to be about PERFORMANCES, which have some sort of degree of objectivity, not about a subjective ranking of "skills", which is a worthless exercise
2020-01-05 21:21
#48
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
Same thing really, performance shows the skill of a player. It's all about time period, it's in 2019, not overall skill ceiling or past performances
2020-01-05 21:22
#152
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Which is why it makes 0 sense that you think Niko is wayyyy better than brehze. Part of being a good player is knowing how to be as successful as possible. Niko thinking he can IGL is not that and its hurting his career. Brehze performed better and found more success. He showed more individually this year
2020-01-12 07:57
#153
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
"It doesn't matter how the year went" Yeah let's just ignore facts, stats, performances and success and compare players by how we subjectively determine skill. Sounds like a great basis for a ranking
2020-01-12 07:58
#82
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Germany GoBIG0rGoHome 
2019 only yes no
2020-01-07 15:13
#90
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Italy CHEBBOxxx 
FUCK ZYWOO
2020-01-07 15:42
#5
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
+1 s1mple top 1
2020-01-05 20:49
#13
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
top2 my friend ;) at least both s1mple zywoo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> d3vic3
2020-01-05 20:56
#14
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
s1mple > zywho > device
2020-01-05 20:56
stfu asshole, be realistic and accept that s1mple isn't gonna be #1
2020-01-05 21:09
#32
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
im being realistic s1mple > zywho > device
2020-01-05 21:10
skill wise yes, but hltv doesn't work like that so zywoo will be #1
2020-01-05 21:12
+1 Agreed S1mple is a better player but zywoo had a better year.
2020-01-05 22:34
#78
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Finland trashsports 
No, ZywOo is far ahead of s1mple right now.
2020-01-07 15:09
Yes, he had a better year (performance and achievements)
2020-01-07 15:43
#94
kennyS | 
Croatia franX^ 
And why do you think s0mple is a better player? It took s0mple 4 years of top cs to reach #1, zywoo first year of top cs is #1, he is above and beyond s0mple
2020-01-09 13:32
I will accept that he is better when he will have a better peak than s1mple.
2020-01-09 15:25
#149
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Well if we compare years zywoo played big events To Years s1mple played big events. Zywoo is better if we go by averages. S1mple peaked higher yes but cold also peaked higher than ropz. Tell me who youd rather have on your team
2020-01-12 07:50
#150
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
What shows that s1mple is more skilled? Skill is irrelevant if it doesnt show in performance. Zywoo showed more plain and s1mple. Xantares and Fer this year come to mind.
2020-01-12 07:53
I compered S1mple 2018 and first half of 2019 with zywoo second half 2019. I think if Navi hadn’t so many problems S1mple would perform like 2018 or at least first half of 2019 where he was still the best player.
2020-01-12 12:41
#271
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Thing is zywoo is a rookie with years to develop s1mple is going into his 6th year of big events. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=all&mat.. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=all&mat.. The difference between Zywoo and S1mple vs top 5 teams is the same as the difference between S1mple and Brehze. S1mple has had a better career And until this year was the best player vs elite teams, but not anymore. Once both retire zywoo will go down as the GOAT barring something catastrophic or unexpected.
2020-01-18 07:18
#8
ZywOo | 
Poland vanderift 
DEVICE DEV1CE DEV1C3 D3V1C3 D3V163 D34163 034163 Device's password to phone is: 034163
2020-01-05 20:54
ok
2020-01-05 20:54
Don't try to hard men ))
2020-01-05 21:21
he isn't lying, once dev1ce unlocked his phone live not knowing that his passwords are being watched but I'm sure he had changed it by then
2020-01-13 18:32
If bait 6.5/8 If not, dev1ce pepeLaugh
2020-01-13 19:20
exposed
2020-01-12 20:13
While this is true it doesn't mean that device is a bad player, he's the one of the best especially when it comes to consistency, it's just that s1mple and Zywoo are on an entirely different level than anyone in this game.
2020-01-05 20:56
#41
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
Yes exactly. Just like in 2018, he is the best of the "normal players". but both s1mple and zywoo are another level entirely
2020-01-05 21:14
#15
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Denmark MeToxi 
Zywoo: 40 maps against top 5 S1mple: 20 maps against top 5 Device: 76 maps against top 5 That is where achievements matter. Astralis have better achievements and therefor play better opponents. As you can see right there. This is why Device will definitely be above s1mple and have the possibility of surpassing zywoo. That is also why you don't just take a glance on the overall ratings showed at the front of the stats page.
2020-01-05 20:56
he wont surpass zywoo
2020-01-05 20:58
#18
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
Danish IQ? Of course ASTRALIS has better achievements. Device with the skill of zywoo or s1mple would simple a way better player. Period. Device #3.
2020-01-05 20:58
#22
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Denmark MeToxi 
I don't care what the estimated "raw skill" of a player is. HLTV don't care. We care about the performance each individual players showed over the entire year and rank them accordingly. And because of astralis playing more top 5 opponents, device got to show 4 times as many times how he'd perform against top 5 opponents. And he performed consistently well. Consistently the best player on astralis. Always performing. These things matter. Raw skill only matters when its used to gain good stats against the best opponents.
2020-01-05 21:03
#30
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
Raw skill (not just aiming of course, gamesense, etc all included. Overall impact) is what HLTV top 20 is about. Device showed he is consistently good against top 5 opponents. Guess what, zywoo and s1mple are both just as consistent* (fair, s1mple had a bit of a drop in 2 months or something). They are just as consistent but PERFORM BETTER. Only thing is, the rest of their team isn't as good so they don't get into top 5 (vitality) or top 10 even (navi)
2020-01-05 21:10
#47
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Denmark MeToxi 
You need to apply this logic. "Are we just gonna take his word for it? If he didn't play against top 5, top 10 etc, then he never showed us that he could de facto play consistently well against the best in the world! He only really ever showed us that he is the best against the worse tier 1 opponents in the game, never the actual best!" - Also, it scales. And as you might know, the HLTV top 20 awards is based purely on what players de facto showed us during the year as a whole. S1mple played against top 5 so much less which makes it much easier to get at great rating. It needs to be equal. With that in mind, s1mples stats will be taken with a grain of salt. Zywoo though, still played 40 maps against top 5 opponents and is therefor more proven. It will still be taking with a grain of salt though its a much smaller piece of salt. His stats in general is also better than s1mples. This is why zywoo probably still gets the number 1 spot. But it is not set in stone as he still on average played a tad bit worse opponents.
2020-01-05 21:22
#49
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Denmark MeToxi 
Also, its an individual award. So it doesn't matter what the reason for zywoo or simple not playing more against top5 is. All they care about is that they didn't.
2020-01-05 21:24
#50
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Denmark MeToxi 
Sorry for the multiple replys but: Aiming and gamesense doesn't matter at all to the ranking. The ranking is about the performances they had. Aiming and gamesense might contribute to those performances but its not based on how good they think a players gamesense is or how well that player aims.
2020-01-05 21:27
#52
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
The times both s1mple and zywoo played against top 5 they were still consistently the best players. Another reason s1mple played so much less is because of navi events scheduling, they decided to skip way more events than previous years. And some grains of salt for devices performances: Is the reason why astralis gets to play against top 5 all the time because device is such a great player? Partly, but the bigger reason is that astralis is a very good team with amazing teamplay. This creates a cycle and it is hard to measure how big the impact of device is. Also, especially astralis is good at reducing the impact of enemy star players but this is clearly not due to device. I can see device getting #2, mainly because he got both major MVPs this year. But that would be a wrong decision IMO. Even with how impressive all of his medals are, he did not reach the level of both zywoo and s1mple in 2019. Just shows how insane the 2 really are. ''Also, its an individual award. So it doesn't matter what the reason for zywoo or simple not playing more against top5 is. All they care about is that they didn't.'' That depends what you value more, consistent but lower performance vs. lower consistency but higher performance. ''Aiming and gamesense doesn't matter at all to the ranking. The ranking is about the performances they had. Aiming and gamesense might contribute to those performances but its not based on how good they think a players gamesense is or how well that player aims.'' It's about individual performances, not team performances. Which boils down to things such as aim and gamesense.
2020-01-05 21:33
#53
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
boils down to: ''That depends what you value more, consistent but lower performance vs. lower consistency but higher performance.'' For me the difference between s1mple and device is significant. It's so big that the loss in consistency is less important and s1mple is the better player
2020-01-05 21:43
#55
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Denmark MeToxi 
Just to be clear, I'm arguing for device as second by explaining how hltv does things. It sounds like you're just arguing for what you think it should be with different criteria mashed with HLTV criteria.
2020-01-05 21:49
#54
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Denmark MeToxi 
But you still fail to see what the top 20 ranking is about. It doesn't matter why device plays better opponents more often, only that he does. And it doesn't matter if you like it or not. That is simply how it is. And it doesn't matter how good your gamesense is as the top 20 is all about individual but measurable individual performances. And if you use your gamesense to get many clutches, then yes. It has an impact. But the gamesense itself is completely irrelevant. All that matters is what stats came out of that gamesense. And same goes for aiming.
2020-01-05 21:47
+1
2020-01-05 22:12
#64
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
That is simply how it is? I can still disagree and advocate for a better system. Stats is not all that matters, for example, impact kills. A single kill can be 10x more important than 3 anti-eco aces.
2020-01-05 22:37
#69
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Denmark MeToxi 
Why is it that you use the most horrible example you can? Ecofrags is also factored into the equation.
2020-01-05 23:15
#70
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
cus we both get the point
2020-01-06 01:01
#72
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Denmark MeToxi 
Your point: Wanting to advocate for a better system Your example of something that should be in that better system: Something that is already integrated into the current one.
2020-01-06 11:49
+1 Everyone know that zywoo and S1mple a better than device but the ranking could say otherwise.
2020-01-05 22:44
This guy understands what most people on hltv dont...
2020-01-09 18:10
#143
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Device doing it deep in tournaments and earning more MVPs, especially the major MVP, will get him top 2. They, logically, want to see you do it vs the best teams in the biggest moments. Majors Cologne Malmo and Pro league are the most scrutinized tournaments
2020-01-12 07:18
maps do matter. if they didn’t, kscerato would have been in top 20 s1mple will be 3rd because he has only 20 big event maps. 2 0.
2020-01-12 20:29
#205
elemeNt | 
Norway Ert23 
He's dumb as an electric broom, don't pay attention
2020-01-12 21:43
#206
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Denmark MeToxi 
And you, my friend, prefer subjective analysis over factual evidence. Which is alright, just don't be a fucking cunt about it.
2020-01-12 21:49
#207
elemeNt | 
Norway Ert23 
Ok, but I'm also for the device, and I support your opinion
2020-01-12 21:50
#208
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Denmark MeToxi 
Aight, might have misunderstood your comment then.
2020-01-12 21:51
#209
elemeNt | 
Norway Ert23 
Without problems👌
2020-01-12 21:52
delusional fangays xD same as last year
2020-01-05 21:00
#23
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Denmark MeToxi 
Well, I was right last year, and I'll be so again.
2020-01-05 21:03
if you think he'll be #1 - you won't
2020-01-05 22:03
#68
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Denmark MeToxi 
See, now you're just making assumptions about me.
2020-01-05 23:16
#144
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
No because that completely ignores the margin between the players and their teammates as well as the main statistical categories such as KPR ADR Impact and clutching, all of which zywoo is supeior in (1st in KPR adr and impact). Also ignores big event playoff rating which zywoo is #1 in. And finally its it ignores the peak levels of each player, zywoo was able to carry much harder when required to win. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/11893/Zyw.. Tell me what Device is better at besides having better teammates around him?
2020-01-12 07:23
#179
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Denmark MeToxi 
I'm not saying that device will be first. I'm just saying that its closer than most people think
2020-01-12 14:34
#272
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
It's not. Zywoo is a lock especially with multiple MVPs at events he didnt win
2020-01-18 07:19
#145
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Less than the difference between sergej and durpeeh/xyp and look at what happened there. They value team rank and individual stats greatly as the goal is to be an individual ranking you've stated. Much better to be the key factor on an "average team" (for top 20 purposes) than an average player on a great team because you are a bigger contributor to your teams success.
2020-01-12 07:29
#166
rain | 
Israel ReakZez 
+1 i agree with u device should and deserve to be #1
2020-01-12 09:04
Haven’t seen a weaker top5 opposition in years
2020-01-12 20:30
#19
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Netherlands zuzelmonster 
zywoo did do better, i highly doubt that dev1ce will be #1 2019. only the fact that zywoo has had more mvps this year than he did.
2020-01-05 20:58
2020-01-05 21:04
I didn't know it was just the major that counted, maybe the coldzera will appear in the top 5 so
2020-01-07 15:03
MONKEY
2020-01-08 23:26
#33
elemeNt | 
Norway Ert23 
It’s clear that zywoo will be top1, but the device deserves it more
2020-01-05 21:11
#142
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Being surrounded by better players doesnt mean you deserve it. Contradict yourself harder next time lmao
2020-01-12 07:15
#182
elemeNt | 
Norway Ert23 
Listen, it's not about being surrounded by the best players, but team results. For me, this is the top1 of the world who won min. 1 major in a year, with statistics of min. 1.20, who won min. 6 lans, and played for the top1 world team. According to these characteristics, it’s clear that this is a device, for me personally it’s top1 in 2019. Judging by the individual results, it’s clear that s1mple and zywoo are better than device, but CS is a team game. /closed
2020-01-12 20:17
Thankfully these retarded criteria is only for you lmao. “cS iS a TeAm GaMe” 0/8
2020-01-12 20:31
#196
elemeNt | 
Norway Ert23 
I expreseed my opinion.
2020-01-12 21:28
Yeah better have it /closed because I have yet to find anything remotely close to being as retarded as what you posted here in #182
2020-01-12 21:24
#200
elemeNt | 
Norway Ert23 
Well, ok, maybe then fuck all these 5x5 tournaments, and replace them with 1x1
2020-01-12 21:27
#202
elemeNt | 
Norway Ert23 
I expreseed my opinion. If only statistics and an individual game are important to you, then I understand you. But I think differently.
2020-01-12 21:29
#204
elemeNt | 
Norway Ert23 
Burnt ass
2020-01-12 21:40
#217
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Team placements are a result of having a complete team, the ranking is individually based. So your opinion is catered towards device and therefore biased. Also not individually based...? I've never seen someone openly admit that their criteria is specifically fitted to the player they WANT to be top 1, not the actual criteria that is logical to use. S1mple didnt win a major last year did he?
2020-01-13 06:53
ecovice should be #4
2020-01-05 21:16
#44
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
Jame #3
2020-01-05 21:19
after whom may I ask, who performed better and achieved more this year.
2020-01-05 21:51
#51
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United States SWiFTzZzZz 
EliGE should be number 1 I’m not biased at all
2020-01-05 21:28
:D
2020-01-05 22:12
Lul
2020-01-05 22:44
#168
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Turkey GOATVICE 
axaxaxaax
2020-01-12 09:07
#56
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Sweden wyv0 
You count in the entire year, Zywo0 didn't play at the top until March. S1mple had 2 months extra to reck people before Zywo0 even joined Vitality.
2020-01-05 21:49
#140
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Wtf? Zywoo device and s1mples 1st big events were all in February at the Katowice major. They all had 1 *smaller event* before that. The minors for Vitality, GG.Bet for Navi and iBP masters for Astralis.
2020-01-12 07:13
#59
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France Azowel 
lol
2020-01-05 22:07
#1 device
2020-01-05 22:08
With the logic that dupreeh is 16 device is gonna be 7
2020-01-06 11:56
"What stopped dupreeh from placing higher was the fact that he was rarely the key figure in his team's success" device is always important in astralis' success, he is 100% gonna be #2
2020-01-06 12:06
I know HLTV uses weird logic but im pretty sure he will be #2 again
2020-01-07 15:07
Flair checks out Device 100% 2. btw
2020-01-07 15:12
#184
elemeNt | 
Norway Ert23 
+1
2020-01-12 20:23
+1 As for the Big Event rating, even electronic > device hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01..
2020-01-07 15:13
#114
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Czech Republic Carlo_s_s_s 
look at majors
2020-01-09 18:15
Actually they have same rating but device has more maps and bigger kd so mb stop being delusional???
2020-01-12 07:06
#141
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
And well just ignore MVPs and EVPs while we're at it, map count too
2020-01-12 07:14
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01.. Weird its almost like device performs the same against all opponents while most people play worse hmmmm interesting
2020-01-12 21:54
1. ZYWOO 2.Device 3.Simple 4.Electronic
2020-01-07 15:13
#139
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
LUL electronic above NAF Brehze or Magisk
2020-01-12 07:09
Electronic > brehze imo
2020-01-12 21:55
1. Zywoo 2. Simple 3. Device everyone else
2020-01-09 13:34
If device not top 1 (AGAINNNN) there is no justice in world
2020-01-09 14:18
#99
JaCkz | 
France Bubuche 
NO cause this year Device > S1mple on individual skills
2020-01-09 14:21
#130
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Poland PoIand 
how?
2020-01-10 16:23
If Coldzera, Get_Right and olofmeister got top1, not because they were the player with the highest stats, but the most skilled player in the top team, why can't device?
2020-01-09 14:24
Because they had real impact in their team being 1, stats are irrelevant, even if you look at stats zywoo has better stats. Device deserves #2 nothing more. This is the first year he truly deserves #2 because he stepped up and had important impact in his team winning (rather than just good stats which he SHOULD always have because he plays a passive role).
2020-01-09 16:28
+1
2020-01-09 18:29
beacause he is not the most skilled
2020-01-10 15:36
+1
2020-01-09 16:09
From Shanghai, I hope Dev1ce have a success years in 2020. Dev1ce No1.
2020-01-09 17:01
#112
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Czech Republic Carlo_s_s_s 
if it was individual s0mple would be numero uno, lol
2020-01-09 18:14
#115
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Denmark c0re_ 
I might be biased because Astralis fanboi lel, but I really don’t think the skill gap between zyw, s1m and dev is that big.. device doesn’t play like he used to, not because he lacks skill, but because he now fits into a well oiled machine which doesn’t allow him to make aggressive plays, take chances etc as you often see s1m or zyw take.. and sometimes those chances are very rewarding when you’re as skilled as they are. What’s the difference? A lower rating for device, but on the other hand he wins tournaments with his team. Who cares about being number one when CS is a team effort...
2020-01-09 18:20
#124
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
LUL thats definitly biased. s1m and zyw are just another level, take a look at individual demos and you see it
2020-01-10 15:32
#129
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Poland PoIand 
device is carried by his team, he is not that good individualy.
2020-01-10 16:23
#136
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
CS is a team effort and device is surrounded by better teammates. Ranking is individual and zywoo is simply better in every individual aspect. Deals more damage, gets more kills/multikills, better clutcher, entry etc. Also this delusional "being on a better team lowers your rating potential" bullshit needs to stop. Being on a better team only serves to increase your rating. What team do you think has a higher average ratings the team that wins 16-3 or 16-14? Easy choice right? Same logic applies to Zywoo and s1mple vs device, winning more will always benefit your rating. Success does matter but when the individual gap is this prevalent its irrelevant.
2020-01-12 07:07
#178
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
+1
2020-01-12 14:05
#126
HEN1 | 
Cambodia JW44 
devide deserves #1 sad but is true. ZyWoo top #1
2020-01-10 15:38
#128
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Poland PoIand 
for what? for being carried by his team?
2020-01-10 16:23
#134
HEN1 | 
Cambodia JW44 
carried LUL, he's the best rating in astralis, stfu
2020-01-12 04:25
#138
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
And zywoo has the best on Vitality, by a much bigger margin. No top 20 teammates along with him either. Also destroys device in pretty much every statistical category. Only thing device does better is what ASTRALIS does better and that's win.
2020-01-12 07:07
Device is superior in one more category
2020-01-12 21:56
#216
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Is this suggestive or a statement?
2020-01-13 06:13
It is a statement
2020-01-13 12:08
#235
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Psure just surviving which then makes his KAST higher
2020-01-13 17:29
Major rating lol
2020-01-13 18:06
#239
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Which is why we use stats from the whole year and not 2 events. It's not like it's the international where those are the only events that matter. Malmo Cologne ECS EPL are still huge in the scene. For christ's sake Flamie has a higher major rating than Jks Twitszz Niko Woxic and Naf.
2020-01-13 18:13
I was just correcting you i didnt say it was overly relevant
2020-01-13 22:38
#270
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Much appreciated
2020-01-18 07:09
#230
HEN1 | 
Cambodia JW44 
Do you see my first reply? im saying zywoo is top 1 bro, zywoo is better in this year. but device deserves top #1
2020-01-13 12:17
#236
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
"Deserves top 1" because of?
2020-01-13 17:29
Agree but topic is a bait
2020-01-12 06:48
#146
North America TL0 
funny cuz device will be probably top 1
2020-01-12 07:30
if it was about individuals kennyS would have been in there
2020-01-12 07:33
#148
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
It is and he really wouldnt have. Only had 1 special tournament at pro league. Allu jkaem stewie JW gla1ve all better candidates.
2020-01-12 07:48
Its all of 2019 not just their summer run
2020-01-13 12:50
ZywOo is farming rating on group stages, while device playing grandfinals very often.
2020-01-12 07:56
#156
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Zywoo 1.34 Big Event Playoff Rating, 1.28 vs Top 5 Device 1.19 Big Event Playoff Rating, 1.19 vs. Top 5 Do you just pull these assumptions out of your ass and hope the shit sticks? Just because Astralis was more successful doesnt mean zywoo didnt face and DOMINATE elite teams. For christ's sake he won MVP in 2 of the 5 highest ranked events of the year and placed 2nd.
2020-01-12 08:18
That's not only my opinion. Zeus, Kane & Edward said that. Do you think, they are not experts? Also, In 2018 s1mple was much better than ZywOo in 2019, and it was very difficult for HLTV Admins to choose Top1. But, I don't really care about your opinion. Also, 2 majors is way better than stupid ECS or Epicenter
2020-01-12 08:31
#158
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Zeus kane and Edward, when? And they clearly havent searched the data themselves. No they are obviously not statistical experts. Does zeus really strike you as a "Mathlete" lmao? Doesnt matter what they say the stats and performances directly counter that argument. I don't care about s1mple 2018 compared to zywoo 2019. Were in 2020 looking back at 2019. Zywoo was superior and hes a rookie, he has more room to improve than s1mple. Teams win majors, not players. Have you forgetten Astralis attended ECS? Vitality outplaced them. You're also ignoring finals Malmo and Cologne (where they beat Astralis) where Zywoo still earned MVP despite losing the final, did Device win any MVPs in tournaments he didnt win? No because for him to be successful he needs the system to work, zywoo can make something out of nothing. So dismissive of my opinion because you know it counters your clearly thougtless one. Zywoo superior in literally every relevant individual category, the only thing Device did better is have better teammates around him
2020-01-12 08:42
lmao. ZywOo won only 3 tier 1.5 events. It's not so many. He is farming stats on group stages (like electronic). s1mple was top5 on hs% (but he was sniper. You can see, how good he was at 2018), but it wasn't predictable, that he is gonna be top1. There is no chance for ZywOo. You just trying to be expert, but you can't, cuz your own skill level is about trash
2020-01-12 08:42
#162
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Delusional as hell at this point. Zywoo is a lock for #1. Zywoo doesn't win events, Vitality do. Team game but the ranking is individual. And yes last year was very predictable for me. Zywoo better in everything individually, dont have to be an analyst to understand the requisite qualties of elite players, sure does help tho hltv.org/forums/threads/1943748/hltv-top.. hltv.org/news/25735/top-20-players-of-20..
2020-01-12 08:47
"Teams win majors, not players." One of the dumbest and most contradictory statements I've seen on HLTV.
2020-01-13 06:55
#228
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
You're an idiot if you don't understand what that means. Device has 3 other top 20 teammates and the GOAT IGL around him. Zywoo has a good IGL and 3 average players. That's why we compare individually based metrics primarily because zywoo cant account for his teammates play.
2020-01-13 11:03
We just compare statistics with no context on HLTV tf you talking about? s1mple has 20 maps against top 5 and people think he's top 1, that's HLTV. Zyw0o is respected not because of his stats because people actually have eye balls and see how insane he is, how he gets entries, clutches, his utility usage is really high level, his support play for his team mates is high level, literally everything you can do for your team he is doing and at the highest level. Now with Device he has a good team which can make it harder to get good stats as a passive player since your team mates are raping everyone before you even get to take a duel but that isn't the point stats are meaningless without context just numbers until we can analyze them.
2020-01-14 02:36
#251
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
We do analyze them, per rount and make. Zywoo is simply suprior.
2020-01-14 06:22
Where did I say he wasn't? What are you even arguing about I know Zwy0o is the best. I'm saying his comment was so stupid and contradictory.
2020-01-14 06:38
#253
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
And I'm explaining why MY comment wasnt contradictory. You dont win a.major as zywoo you win a major as Vitality
2020-01-14 21:28
Vitality is an org nothing else, the line up or team consists of players. You can't have a team without players so yes it's stupid quote that is contradictory.
2020-01-15 01:00
#257
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
No it's not youre just being difficult. Vitality consists of 5 players, zywoo is only one of them. Zywoo cannot decide the fate of every one of Vitality's tournaments, it needs to be a team effort. For device he has much better teammates and a better system so he gets to be more successful.
2020-01-15 04:45
#254
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
No one thinks s1mple is top 1. 99% of the conversations are zywoo vs device And like 90% say zywoo Also its easier to have high stats when your team is dominant. A team that wins 16-3 will have better avg stats then a team that wins 16-4, its basic math. The harder your wins are the harder it is to have high ratings
2020-01-14 23:05
That is true but he's well above the average statistically every year.
2020-01-15 05:00
#259
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Because hes one of the best players of all time, just not the best in any specific year
2020-01-15 05:28
lmao top 20 individually???? then ecolai wozldnt even make top 100
2020-01-12 08:01
Ocean #1 2019 bro wdym
2020-01-12 08:36
imagine thinking that a dude that only awps can win best csgo player in the world LUL
2020-01-12 08:39
#187
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Brazil Cleckzera 
olofmeinter: "am I a joke to u?"
2020-01-12 20:28
1.zyw0o 2.s1mple 3.device
2020-01-12 08:53
#165
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Turkey GOATVICE 
yea zywoo is such a better individual player who needs 4 mates to bait and flash for him what a beast .. surely the best we have ever seen even better than simple who had most his kills stolen by electronic and had only 3 baits in astralis stronger era and with higher rating ZYWOO GOAT SOOO GOOD WOOOOOOOOW BEST will never win anything really relevant in his entire life , same as simple, best individual player is the player who drops ratings like device in a team with 4 superstars , zywoo would drop 1.1 average at most in astralis and bomb out of every tournament xD cant bait cant kill ast playing 4v5 so sure zywho is the best fam , delusional fanboy or just hater i cant tell probably both conclusion device GOAT consistency and a lot of #5 etc arguably robbed #1 2018 and surely #1 2019 #1 DECADE simple highest peak , zywoo has nothing no one has achieved before him. atleast not yet but it is quite a performance for a new guy in his first year, but you guys are delusional ZYWOO BEST EVER WORLD DEVWHO? SIMPWHO?
2020-01-12 09:04
#167
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Slovakia Georgy10 
+1
2020-01-12 09:05
D3v1c3
2020-01-12 12:38
#170
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
1. zywoo 2. device 3. s1mple
2020-01-12 12:40
#189
stunna | 
Denmark iTipe 
1. zywoo 2. device 3. elige 4. magisk 5. s1mple
2020-01-12 20:29
0/8
2020-01-13 18:27
Top1 Edward
2020-01-12 12:43
zywoo will be top1
2020-01-12 12:45
#174
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Estonia Nap0le0n 
I dont think that he will become top 1, but in my opinion he totally deserves that
2020-01-12 12:45
#175
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Poland Adisky 
s3mple better than d2vic2 ahaha good joke made me laugh
2020-01-12 12:49
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp.. Yes, S1mple is much better than device. Still laughing?
2020-01-13 09:33
#240
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Poland Adisky 
If simple so good and electronic too then why no wins? Bcs they just play for stats
2020-01-13 18:21
Because the rest 3 are shit + their strats and system is shit too at the moment + they have no proper IGL.
2020-01-13 18:26
#245
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Poland Adisky 
Not an excuse Probably if simple joined tier 1 team he would be benched rly soon
2020-01-13 18:33
Nice to ignore all true aspects and stating some bullshit like you did. Good strategy of typical hater.
2020-01-13 22:14
Correct me if I'm wrong, I think HLTV looks beyond just the ratings. They also look at the events they obtained said ratings in, MVPs and EVPs. I haven't looked into the data myself but device probably has a chance of getting #2 over simple. Majors probably don't factor in since they're a team achievement, but MVPs and EVPs do.
2020-01-12 13:12
#192
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United States IdolaMochi 
The HLTV ranking is based on the players deep tournaments runs, so yea Majors do matter alot one of the reasons why KRIMZ and Brollan werent higher in the rankings is because they missed both majors of 2019 (the real major starts with 16 teams lets be real)
2020-01-12 20:32
#194
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Turkey GOATVICE 
first of all "they" dont look at anything its 1 single person no one to doubt him if he wants he can put fer 1 cold 2 and zywoo 100 no one has a say in this you are just all so disabled, the most easy to fool community, hltv, the fulltime retards gj no one cares what hltv says, device is 1 and secondly device will be #1 "get 2 over simple" what did u smoke xD simple may get 4 behind elige very likely 50/50 xd
2020-01-12 20:44
dev_number1_ce come here
2020-01-12 13:15
#180
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Belgium PurpleAFK 
d3vic3
2020-01-12 14:36
#181
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Portugal BrothersIG 
Device will be #3, s1mple and zywuo will compete for the first place
2020-01-12 15:28
#219
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb 
Zywoo is number 1. Device and s1mple compete for 2nd place
2020-01-13 07:03
Its either him or zywoo tbh.
2020-01-12 20:24
#186
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Brazil Cleckzera 
"The hltv top 20 is for INDIVIDUALS." ropz #10 twistzz #9 ok
2020-01-12 20:26
#215
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
6 EVPs 3 EVPs
2020-01-13 06:13
#197
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Turkey GOATVICE 
so mentally challenged, i will report you for the sake of all of us so you cant post shitposts anymore, bye
2020-01-12 21:24
#199
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France J0riS 
Device is going to be #2 again ... but honestly I hope he gets the #1 next year cuz he deserves it a lot
2020-01-12 21:24
#201
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Turkey GOATVICE 
device was #1 2018 and 2019 and #1 decade 10-19 what u talking about ?
2020-01-12 21:27
cry is free device numba wan
2020-01-12 21:29
0/8
2020-01-12 21:52
#214
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Turkey GOATVICE 
DEVICE #1 !
2020-01-12 21:57
#220
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Netherlands meneertjesem 
Device forever #1 in my heart
2020-01-13 07:16
#1 Device #2 Elige #3 Zywoo My top 3 of 2019
2020-01-13 07:27
#224
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Finland J3bediah 
Zywoo will get the award dont worry
2020-01-13 09:31
+1 ZyWoo >= S1mple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> device 1. ZywOo 2. S1mple 3. device that's how it should be...
2020-01-13 09:32
#227
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France LiTall 
imgur.com/a/ap84PfR Nothing else to say, the numbers speak by themselves. btw its big events on the last 12 months
2020-01-13 09:37
+1 1. ZywOo 2. S1mple 3. device 4. EliGE
2020-01-13 18:27
Top1 Xabtaressssssssssssssssssssssssss
2020-01-13 17:29
s0mple pure baiter and deserved top10 max (unfortunately would be top3 this year only cause of k/d rating) zywoo/device >>> s0mple no doupt
2020-01-15 05:40
Device won more tournaments and more mvps for those tournaments. He hasn't had a "bad" tournament all year. Astralis is known to skip events, but they've won nearly all the tournaments they attended. Device #1 Zywoo #2 S1mple #3 Elige #4
2020-01-15 08:02
#266
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
xaxaxxaxxaa you are funny mens HE WON CUS HE HAS A VERY GOOD TEAM! he hasnt had a bad tournament all year. but not a single one as good as zywoo.
2020-01-17 21:39
Consistent > flashy The best stays the best
2020-01-17 22:29
#268
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
Yet s1mple and zywoo are CONSISTENTLY BETTER THAN noobvice!!!
2020-01-17 22:39
Yet who remains at the top? Who gets most of the mvps of the biggest tournaments throughout the year? Of course, device does.
2020-01-18 01:52
mVps aWpEr
2020-01-18 07:38
Listen, I'm not a die hard device fan But, I give credit where it's due. I think simple will be 3rd Zywoo will be 2nd And device 1st
2020-01-18 09:22
1. zywoo 2. s1mple 3. ecolai
2020-01-18 09:45
#288
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
AHAHHAAHA u seriously think device is better than s1mple? Delusional u seriously think device is better than zywoo? Go to mental hospital
2020-01-18 15:48
#264
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Denmark white_sheep 
Devve is the real #1
2020-01-15 08:22
#265
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
last day on hltv?
2020-01-17 21:38
if top20 was about individual impact then device wouldnt even make top 20.
2020-01-18 07:19
#276
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United States IdolaMochi 
How exactly ? he is the best player in his team by far
2020-01-18 07:34
magisk>dupreeh>glaive>device>xyp
2020-01-18 07:38
#279
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United States IdolaMochi 
How exactly ? imgur.com/a/ArRnlIo
2020-01-18 07:40
avp = mvp
2020-01-18 07:42
#281
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United States IdolaMochi 
What does avp means ?
2020-01-18 07:43
newfag
2020-01-18 07:45
#283
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United States IdolaMochi 
What does that exactly mean ?
2020-01-18 07:46
#286
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
Newf*g
2020-01-18 09:24
#289
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
Thank you for doing the right thing hltv
2020-01-18 22:54
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