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Taxation is theft
Other TheVyrox 
Taxation is a form of theft that however is necessary in order to have a functioning 1st-world society. As such, it is an excusable and moral form of theft as long as it is written in the law and organized. Change my mind.
2020-01-07 01:05
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its not stealing if you need it
2020-01-07 01:05
#4
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United States btescobar 
food stamps
2020-01-07 01:08
from food stamps to a whole other domain
2020-01-20 02:01
#2
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United Kingdom The_Doctor 
Trisomy isn't a genetic disease. And u don't have it.
2020-01-07 01:07
#3
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United States sorcrcrc 
tax is bad but its actually good?
2020-01-07 01:08
its bad at first glance but actually good.
2020-01-07 11:43
It's always bad, there's just multiple degrees of bad.
2020-01-20 02:00
Vyrox checks out.
2020-01-20 13:51
juanme555 same as always
2020-01-20 16:13
I will not lie, you're one of the better antipodes of mine in HLTV. Im Batman. BigBaguette is the Joker. So...you can be....The Penguin.
2020-01-20 17:18
This. /closed
2020-01-23 12:39
#5
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Brazil jstrr 
how the fuck is it theft then do you use roads? public lighting when around the city at night? Police forces? public education? Militaries? then it isnt a theft ffs
2020-01-07 01:11
Because you forcibly take someone elses property but for the greater good.
2020-01-07 01:19
#18
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Hungary EZ4WINLANDIA 
No, tax is just the way you pay for all these things
2020-01-07 11:46
Stealing is just a way for the thief to pay for all the things he wants to buy.
2020-01-07 11:48
#25
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Sweden KHARDAR 
Not even close to being a comparison
2020-01-07 13:53
More like a thief steals your money uses some of it to buy you something you may or may not want
2020-01-23 13:11
#60
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Ukraine ReanuKeeves 
0/8
2020-01-07 16:58
"He wants to buy for himself" and "bought from people money for people needs", sure ur baiting but for some weird case
2020-01-07 17:01
dude, I don't fucking use every single thing taxes go to, I never visit fucking hospitals, and yet a huge amount of the money I pay to the government every month is spent exactly on that. You're nitpicking. Here: Stealing is just a way for the thief to pay for all the needs of his buddies. Satisfied?
2020-01-07 17:03
You dont pay for all of it, someone pays for things that you may use, thats why your country is successful and whole of it looks decent, not like 1 thing is great and near from it - dumpster, you travel to things that you need at general places/roads
2020-01-07 17:12
anything that is mandatory is theft. Even if you don't want those things, you still have to pay for it.
2020-01-07 16:20
#73
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Hungary EZ4WINLANDIA 
This isn't about want, these are (ideally) things that everyone uses, directly or indirectly
2020-01-07 18:40
Irrelevant. It's the taking of people's money under threat (legal or otherwise)
2020-01-07 18:42
#75
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Hungary EZ4WINLANDIA 
So having to pay for bread in the shop is theft? Because if I don't pay for it, I'm threatened. I think we should ban all stores, these thieves are ruining society smh
2020-01-07 19:07
You can just not buy the bread, try doing that with taxes.
2020-01-18 23:54
#115
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Hungary EZ4WINLANDIA 
Yes because you're already using the things taxes pay for.
2020-01-19 11:15
The point I'm trying to make is that when something is taken by force from you, it's theft. It may be justifiable or even necessary but it's theft nonetheless.
2020-01-19 14:58
#196
Ant1ka | 
Indonesia Frver 
Theft /THeft/ noun the action or crime of stealing. Tax is legal = Not a Crime. You know you're getting taxed: not stealing.
2020-01-24 08:34
#202
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Turkey rivaluk 
dude its literally stealing. u already pay 19% of WHATEVER U BUY and thats what the state gets already. u work hard for ur money and yet u still pay taxes etc and if u deny to pay it they will come for u my little friend. U have no other choice NOT TO pay the taxes u are forced to do it no matter what.
2020-01-26 00:40
#208
Ant1ka | 
Indonesia Frver 
forcing is not stealing.
2020-01-27 05:17
m8 that argument is kinda like why is weed forbidden? because it is illegal bruh
2020-02-24 00:20
yeah thats a total non-argument.
2020-01-07 16:51
The thing is, what happens when you dont pay taxes? You can get charged and fined or jailed, right? So its forced that you give away money you earned. What the money is used for might be a good thing, but it doesnt change what I said previously. Generally im definately pro taxes by the way, as long as they are fair and justified (which can be kinda subjective)
2020-01-07 17:23
#72
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Hungary EZ4WINLANDIA 
If you go into a store, grab something from the shelf, and leave without paying, your the thief, not the store for charging people money for the goods.
2020-01-07 18:39
Just that entering a store is by choice, while being born and growing up is 100% out of your control. So yo are forced to pay or to leave. Again, im totally not against taxation, Im just describing to you the way it is.
2020-01-08 00:13
not necessarily, you dont have to pay tax, you just then dont get to enjoy the benefits it provides
2020-01-20 21:04
What countries handle it that way? The ones I know punish you if you dont pay.
2020-01-20 22:27
technically it doesnt matter where you live you dont have to pay tax, but youre gonna suffer the consequences if you dont
2020-01-21 00:33
Yeah but there is a difference between getting punished for a crime called tax evasion and losing the right to use public infrastructure.
2020-01-21 16:03
i mean, you still technically are losing the right, nvm doesnt matter
2020-01-21 19:26
by that logic, do you use the prison systems for housing and shelter ? do you use your countrys military to advance your interests locally and abroad? just because they took your money illegally and offered you some services and built a few roads does not justify it. especially when they dont have your best interests.
2020-01-07 16:03
sure let's just go back to the stone age lmao at all those wannabe anarchists
2020-01-07 16:06
it differs from country to another, so we can't blame each other, for example in some countries, roads, lights, infrasructure,police, military and stuff are in constant improvement, so taxes are being used correctly, but in other countries such as mine ( 3rd world in general ) 90% of roads are old as shit and not getting improved yet somehow still holding,street lights stay off in several places ( poor hoods ), police brutality instead of protection, and alot more shit, meanwhile everyone is paying their taxes, that's what's considered theft edit : i hope u understand my point
2020-01-07 16:12
I totally get your point though there is no realistic alternative to what we have today so all the talk about taxation is theft always sounds like teenagers who just discovered what anarchism is btw you should see polish roads, one of the most expensive in europe and need to be repaired like two years after they're built LUL
2020-01-07 16:17
2 years? :o I'm glad if roads last in good condition over 1 year in Finland. Potholes everywhere and this winter it's been so warm without snow in huge part of Finland but the roads freezes during night and melts during the day and pretty rainy overall doesn't make matters better (the worst possible for roads when it gets to like -1C during night but up to 3-5C during day + rain). You drive like slalom on the roads here and pray to God the big pothole doesn't come right when some other car is driving towards you in the opposite lane. Lots of smaller roads are beyond repairable at this point. Only the main roads are kept in decent condition or roads nearby Helsinki.
2020-01-18 01:21
They didnt take your money illegally. And its also not immoral because of how much a country goes to shit when there is 0 taxation. Some things simply have to be organized and one needs money for that organization.
2020-01-07 16:53
Bad bait
2020-01-07 01:11
#8
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
It's not necessary though. You have just been so deeply brainwashed by your government your entire life that you cannot imagine another way of life.
2020-01-07 01:21
Oh no, I know those arguments that "privatizing everything" would make it oh so much better. They are just not good arguments.
2020-01-07 11:42
#23
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
This is my point. You are imagining a society that functions like society today, but a fully private one. That is not how a free society would work.
2020-01-07 13:46
A fully free society? No rules, no laws? Good luck with that, fam.
2020-01-07 16:44
#89
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
Try thinking outside the box for once in your life and maybe you would not be such a brainwashed government bootlicker?
2020-01-13 23:52
gee, have you ever lived in a "fully free society"?
2020-01-14 00:04
#95
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
No, but i'm able to apply critical thinking skills and logic to imagine things that have not been taught to me by my gobermint.
2020-01-17 15:44
Ahhh, see, now you are fucked. Because now you have admitted that you absolutely do not have any more information than me about this dreamland of yours, but the only thing that you are basing your entire argument on is by ignoring the possibility that someone might ponder about the same things and reach a different conclusion whilst asserting that I just cant "think outside the box". You have bought in to being an edgy contrarian that puts himself onto the "thinking outside the box"-high horse looking down on all those pathetic sheep that cant do the same for whatever reason, even though you have absolutely ZERO reason to think that you are any more brilliant and free-thinking than anyone else. Get real and get fucked.
2020-01-17 15:49
#97
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
Yeah. I know absolutely nothing about this "dreamland". But neither do you. You are criticizing this "dreamland" based on your world view, which is dependent on a government. You are not able to even imagine a world without a government because a world with a government is all you have been taught your entire life. Far from everything would be good without a government. I'm not concerned with that. I'm concerned with freedom.
2020-01-17 23:44
My point exactly, instead of going all edgy and making up shitty assertions from #89 onwards you should have tried to stick to some kinds of arguments in favor of your model of that fully free society. "You are not able to even imagine a world without a government because a world with a government is all you have been taught your entire life." NEITHER ARE YOU YOU DAFT CUNT. OR EITHER WE BOTH ARE. YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS ON WHICH TO ASSERT A STRONGER IMAGINATION "SKILL" OVER ME.
2020-01-18 01:02
#103
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
Yes, i am lmao. For example, bootlickers like yourself like to think that gobermint is necessary because of muh roads. I can imagine ways in which privatized roads could be made to work. I don't need arguments lmao. It does not matter what is better, not having shit stolen from me is my right that i was born with. It does not matter how much better you think your system is, you do not have a right to steal from me.
2020-01-18 19:48
"Yes, i am lmao. For example, bootlickers like yourself like to think that gobermint is necessary because of muh roads. I can imagine ways in which privatized roads could be made to work." When did I say that the government is the only imaginable agent for such a thing? Can your peanut brain imagine that I might have already had a similar discussion about roads and other infrastructure with someone like you? Coz I did. You got nothing but assertions you fucking cretin. "I don't need arguments lmao. It does not matter what is better, not having shit stolen from me is my right that i was born with. It does not matter how much better you think your system is, you do not have a right to steal from me." Thats what I thought. Its not like the only reason you have those rights from birth, is because society has assigned them to you. Why? Because without certain rights, society doesnt function. That society gives you certain rights and gives you certain duties, one of which is to pay taxes. You dont want those duties? Say goodbye to those rights as well. Maybe everyone who doesnt want to pay taxes should become outlawed and can be killed by anyone who wants at any time? "NOOO, HOW CAN YOU SAY SUCH A THING?" But the very fact that you arent even willing to discuss this rationally means you are a waste of time. Thanks for your capitulation, saves me some time.
2020-01-18 20:22
#105
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
Right cannot be assigned. You do not understand the concept of rights. I have a right to property because taking my property is an act of aggression and you have no right to commit an act of aggression against me.
2020-01-18 20:29
Even if one were to argue that rights are inherent instead of assigned, the one who organizes the enforcement those rights and the prevention or punishment of "acts of aggression" is still society. Which realistically doesnt change anything about my argument. But it seems like I am talking to an idealist anyway, not a realist.
2020-01-18 20:39
If it is unfair agression against someone then it isnt necessary
2020-01-07 01:24
thats not quite true in the case of taxation
2020-01-07 11:42
#24
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
I want free stuff therefor it is necessary
2020-01-07 13:46
The fact that you describe health care, police, firefighters and roads as "free stuff" shows that you are a toddler at best.
2020-01-07 16:44
#88
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
You do not want to pay for those services right? That would make them free, right? The fact that you deflect my point with a garbage insult shows that you are about as intelligent as your average leftist.
2020-01-13 23:51
You never had a point in the first place. No one who advocates for universal healthcare says "Because I want something, it is necessary". NO ONE. Because it is an idiotic point. Healthcare not being a human right is diametrically opposed to a normal humans sense of justice because family father dying due to cancer or because some uninsured jackass caused an accident and the family father cant afford healthcare despite working full-time because there are systematic road blocks is not something that a social society should just be looking on and shrugging and luckily for most people that is obvious. Universal college is something that is evidently increasingly necessary for a functioning society f.e. because physical jobs are getting automated away further and further and the idea of letting a person get themselves into debt because they wanted to pursue higher education whereas some rich kid not only gets bribed into the uni but doesnt have to work while studying and isnt in debt afterwards, not only also opposes the usual sense of fairness but simply also further divides the classes. And the class division is already way too bad. Lastly, UBI would put money from the ultra-rich into the hands of those that need it the most and would eliminate the possibility of those tax-funds being misappropriated for rich politicians or for tax-cuts for the wealthy and corporations. These things are fundamentally and qualitatively different from a brat wanting to be able to spend 750$ in the app store. No one is talking about that. No one. Stop trying to pretend that basic important systematic necessities are the same as "free stuff", jackass. And stop pretending as if you werent try to make that strawman-argument because you were literally doing exactly that. Now good fucking night.
2020-01-14 00:04
k
2020-01-19 11:20
yup
2020-01-19 14:05
Taxation is taxation
2020-01-07 01:25
#11
gla1ve | 
Denmark flapdur 
You´re about to be robbed. A policeman helps you out. Your taxes help to pay for his wage. Who is the thief now? Taxes are only theft if the government is corrupt, and the money is not used for any part of the society. Sadly corruption is widespread in some countries. You believe in paying for school, library, the helpful policeman etc personally? Then live in a country where that is the case. I prefer to live in a developed and civilised society
2020-01-07 01:29
I disagree with the proposition that tax is not theft because of #7
2020-01-07 11:41
#28
gla1ve | 
Denmark flapdur 
And you have a better way to pay for police, army, administration, cleaning day to day pollution (not talking about a sinking tanker, where you can sue the owning oil company ... and lose the lawsuit), infrastructure, sewers, libraries, hospitals, helping the most needy etc? Of course you do. Everyone pays for themselves, and if you can´t , then you can die in the gutter. There are countries for people, who feel that way. Feel free to go there.
2020-01-07 16:01
Did you even read what I wrote in the thread or just the headline?
2020-01-07 16:38
#79
gla1ve | 
Denmark flapdur 
I did, and by using the word theft in your definition, you are automatically rejecting the principle of tax, because theft is a crime. Taxation is not theft, if you want to be part of the society, any more than paying for membership of a club. That is how I view taxation. If you don´t want to be a member of the club, feel free to leave the premises.
2020-01-08 12:03
Even though one never agreed to that contract. Ultimately it might be a semantic thing, but the idea of being in a club with a subscription without ever having agreed to it is weird.
2020-01-08 13:40
#83
gla1ve | 
Denmark flapdur 
My football club pays for wages to referees and linesmen, for using the pitches (that is a new tax from Copenhagen City - used to be free), we pay for our assocition (in charge of scedules etc) ... all of those are things we have no control over, but can´t do without. We could chose to just go to a public park , and use our sports bags as goal posts - that´s how we started out. You´re right, it´s a semantic thing. I´m just responding to your choice of the word "theft". You´re criminalizing taxes like some midwestern redneck.
2020-01-08 18:24
Bro seriously? "You´re criminalizing taxes like some midwestern redneck." I wrote the exact opposite in the original thread. I talked about how its, necessary, moral, legal and so on.
2020-01-08 18:35
#85
gla1ve | 
Denmark flapdur 
It´s just the word "theft" - that word automatically makes it criminal. So call it something else. Appropriation or whatever
2020-01-08 23:17
go where?
2020-01-07 16:51
#80
gla1ve | 
Denmark flapdur 
I don´t think they pay taxes in Somalia.
2020-01-08 12:06
There is taxation, racket and fraud, there are obligatory fees and issues with private property and courts which are essential There are UAE, Andorra and some other places with low taxes but they are for the rich
2020-01-08 13:29
#12
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Netherlands poeya 
there should be Taxes but not too high, these taxes in Netherlands are for sure scam
2020-01-07 01:30
Wage slavery is slavery. Tax is theft, but taking other's surplus value is worse form of theft. Indeed taxation is a way of protecting the bourgeois to fed a large number of violent bastards like police and army so they are not getting overthrown by those they oppressed.
2020-01-07 11:46
Companies don't take anyone's surplus value from them. If these people were to be completely alone, they wouldn't be able to produce that value in the first place. It is the cooperation between the company and the worker that produces the value, not just the worker working.
2020-01-07 11:50
bro get off the coke before posting
2020-01-07 16:53
Another day another taxation is theft thread
2020-01-07 11:47
yeah but this one is different m8 its all intentional
2020-01-07 16:54
Capitalism is god's way of defining who is rich and who is poor
2020-01-07 11:48
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2020-01-07 16:54
It's not theft It's an agreement between the population and state
2020-01-07 13:57
I don't agree, i have to or i go to jail. Theres no signed agreement or discussion i have ever had.
2020-01-07 16:16
You didnt have it, but your ancestors had
2020-01-07 16:18
Our ancestors had slaves, they were dumb as fuck and knew nothing.
2020-01-07 16:21
#43
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Canada ProvexPyker 
Disrespecting your ancestors wtf mens((
2020-01-07 16:38
then fuck off.
2020-01-07 16:55
It's not murder, the entire neighbourhood agreed to kill the noisy neighbour😎😎😎 It was an agreement between the population of the neighbourhood and the neighbourhood council😎😎😎
2020-01-07 17:17
Okay, Twist the Arguments so that it fits your point.
2020-01-07 17:34
give me your tax money. I can provide u better service than ur country )))
2020-01-07 14:02
#29
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France OtelloO 
It's not theft as tax money is still kind of your money. It's more like a collective investment.
2020-01-07 16:02
#7
2020-01-07 16:55
#68
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France OtelloO 
I agree with you only if it's not in a democractic country.
2020-01-07 17:21
#160
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
Imagine going to a restaurant, ordering a $10 burger and a $5 drink, and then at the end of the meal, your bill is $32.5 because the guy on another table across the room ordered the $40 surf and turf and a $10 cocktail. Would you still be saying "it's still your money" if you could directly see how it's being wasted on someone else?
2020-01-23 12:40
#166
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France OtelloO 
I never agreed with the other guy on that $40 order. On the other hand we agreed as a society to share the lights and service spendings on every bills in that restaurant.
2020-01-23 12:51
#169
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
I never "agreed" to having tax-funded health care. I never "agreed" to having tax-funded schools. I never signed the fucking social contract, but the government forces you to comply or you're put in a cage.
2020-01-23 12:55
#178
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France OtelloO 
You elected deputies or whatever on a program who are representing the people and decided the budget, the actions and measures. If you disagree then it's up to you to convince your fellow citizens to vote for you or for candidates who will set another program. If you can't accept it then it means you can't accept representative democracy
2020-01-23 13:43
#179
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
I don't like democracy at all. Considering that all the people running as a representative in my area support publicly funded healthcare, who do I vote for if I don't want it?
2020-01-23 13:47
#180
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France OtelloO 
For yourself. If none of them support your ideas it shows that there's room for you to defend these ideas. And at least, thanks to democracy, you'll have the opportunity to talk publicly about your ideas. In a non-democratic system you wouldn't be able to say anything going against the main ideology. Democracy is leaving the door opened for any idea to be discussed.
2020-01-23 14:01
#181
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
Voting for myself does nothing. I still have to pay for other people's healthcare. If 51% of people "agree " on something, what about the other 49%? Are they just fucked?
2020-01-23 14:20
#182
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France OtelloO 
Basically yes. The best they can do is to try to convince the others to join them or manage to negociate for a more suitable common ground for everybody (this last solution is actually what happens 75% of the time in most moderns representative democracies). if you can't cope with this, last thing you can do is to rebel and separate entirely from society, but don't cry if you get smashed or need medical assistance or whatever.
2020-01-23 14:26
#184
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
lmao so basically ur admitting the biggest fault with democracy, that 49% of all people can just be fucked a lot of the time
2020-01-23 14:31
#185
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France OtelloO 
Yes it's not a secret, everybody knows that and it's a big flaw I agree. But do you know anything better?
2020-01-23 15:14
Any other option would be rule of the minority and thats almost by definition less legitimate. The only other option I personally could agree with is combining some political expertship and scientists having special legal power with democracy. But thats problematic for its own reasons. Democracy is possibly the least flawed system of all. There is no system in which everyone will always be 100% happy. Deal with it.
2020-02-24 00:33
That's how democracy works, jesus. Are you not educated in your backwards country or are you just fucking stupid? Taxes are a collective investment, imagine you not being that well off and in need of expensive chemotherapy? Then I think you'd be glad that you paid taxes all your life. Taxes in Denmark are one of the highest in the world, but I gladly pay extra to have security for me and my family in case the worst happens. It also means people who are worse off than me can have some security and I'll also pay for that. Saying that taxes are theft, is just narrow-minded and arrogant because you haven't experienced real poverty.
2020-02-24 00:42
#233
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
There's a critical problem there with your use of the word "investment". The word suggests that it's a voluntary fee that you pay into something where you expect (and quite often get) a decent return. - you have to pay taxes; therefore it's not voluntary. - you shouldn't expect your money to be used for your benefit, because frequently it's used to prop up lazy motherfuckers who deserve to be homeless where actual homeless people who aren't there due to their own mistakes are still on the streets. - you shouldn't expect the money coming back to you to be anywhere near original value. Because the government is run by humans, which are by nature selfish, they spend the money on themself rather than on the people who gave them that money. Taxes are not an investment. They're extortion.
2020-02-24 16:00
If only Amazon had to pay taxes like the rest of us.
2020-01-07 16:15
+2020
2020-01-07 16:56
#158
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
you've got this the wrong way round. It should read: "If only we didn't have to pay taxes like Amazon"
2020-01-23 12:38
It's the exact same thing
2020-01-23 12:54
#170
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
Nah it's not. Your sentence makes it sound like tax is something everyone should pay, whereas in reality, it's a form of theft that no one should experience.
2020-01-23 12:56
Everyone should pay, because it's the law. The law doesn't apply to one of the wealthiest businesses ever. Saying that you can win this.
2020-01-23 13:08
#174
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
Yeah, unfortunately, "it's the law" is not a solid argument at all. - the Holocaust was "the law" - Segregation was "the law" - Prohibition was and still is "the law"
2020-01-23 13:14
I agree. I don't like losing 40% of what I make. I have to though or I am put in a cage.
2020-01-23 13:24
#177
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
Exactly, my point is that you shouldn't have this pressure and theft hanging over u
2020-01-23 13:26
What do communism and tax-free libertarianism have in common?
2020-02-24 00:34
#234
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
they're both ideologies where their followers want the best for humanity
2020-02-24 16:01
They are both ideologies where the critics say, they were implemented and failed everytime and the supporters say they never really existed/were never really tried out.
2020-02-24 16:21
#237
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
not sure libertarianism has been implemented anywhere if I'm honest g. Ik I'm playing into the meme there but I just haven't seen it anywhere in history I've studied :/
2020-02-24 16:25
yeah not sure either, thats why libertarians are so laughable to me as well. They pretend as if most certainly the invisible hand and the free market will literally fix EVERY PROBLEM imaginable yet there are so many instances when the free market became an absolute uncontrolled monster against everyone else.
2020-02-24 16:30
#239
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
nah I'm not of the stupid opinion that libertarianism and free market would fix all the problems in the world, I just have the basic principle that it's wrong for someone to claim a right to rule over others through religion, family, democracy whatever
2020-02-24 16:32
Society assigns you duties on one hand and rights and benefits on the other hand.
2020-02-24 16:47
#243
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
most "rights" are really just excuses to steal money and labour from your fellow man
2020-02-24 16:49
#255
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
i mean more like newer supposed ones like the "right" to education or the "right" to healthcare
2020-02-24 22:58
Ok, I could just go the easy route and just call you an idiot, because thats an idiotic edgy statement of a basement 4chan dweller. Or I could explain in detail, why it is a disgusting and inhumanitarian statement of ignorance. But since I have afaik done that a couple of times in this thread already: You are an idiot.
2020-02-24 23:04
#258
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
lovely bit of ad hominem there :)
2020-02-24 23:50
No.
2020-02-25 00:07
Taxation is positive kind of theft yes.
2020-01-07 16:24
#235
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
it's mad how hard people can be indoctrinated to genuinely appreciate theft
2020-02-24 16:01
Ok. Remove taxes -> Who funds the society? Ooofff got your "woke" ass there m8. Better luck next time.
2020-02-24 19:55
#256
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
When you say "who funds the society", you understand that taxes fund the government, not the society, right? Without taxes, billions of dollars a year wouldn't be used to fund politicians' fancy mansions across the world. Without taxes, thousands of kids in the middle east wouldn't have to grow up orphans because a bomb killed their parents. Without taxes, there wouldn't be a group of people that frequently detain people for speech and expression.
2020-02-24 23:00
Every system has its flaws. I see you crying about taxes but I don't see you telling a better alternative.
2020-02-25 12:32
#262
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
When you put out a fire, what do you replace it with?
2020-02-25 13:59
Your snuck premise here is that taxes bring literally nothing good to table but ONLY destruction? Are you kidding me? How many tax funded things you want me to list that YOU are using on a daily basis? Give me a number.
2020-02-25 14:11
#40
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Australia PegasusGG 
+1
2020-01-07 16:25
#41
 | 
Canada ProvexPyker 
Why wouldn't you want to invest for the better of your own country? C'mon, it's so weird how previous generations it's always been: "I want my kids to live a better life than me", hltv generation: "nahh, fuck kids, fuck everyone else" It's theft when you avoid taxes. Cough cough multinational corporations
2020-01-07 16:37
#45
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
+1
2020-01-07 16:43
Maybe because you disagree with how that money is spent?
2020-01-07 16:47
#157
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
The United Kingdom spends $60 billion a year on its military. That's $1,000 of every single person's money, give or take a bit. How much of a fucking "investment" is that, cunt?
2020-01-23 12:37
#188
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Canada ProvexPyker 
That's a lot of investment. A lot of investment that isn't needed!
2020-01-23 15:41
#193
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
exactly, I don't want to invest in that. your point was "why wouldn't you want to invest"
2020-01-23 19:14
#194
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Canada ProvexPyker 
You don't want to invest in military at all or you don't want to give $1k for the military? Because it's different if you wouldn't want to invest because it's too much like $1k, yet you can still be willing to invest but just want it to be lower.
2020-01-24 08:26
#198
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
I don't want to invest at all.
2020-01-25 15:15
#199
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Canada ProvexPyker 
So then why don't you want to invest? You never said
2020-01-25 16:01
#200
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
cause I don't want my money going to murdering brown kids in the middle east?
2020-01-25 16:48
#201
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Canada ProvexPyker 
You never specified that, how am I supposed to know lol Also tax's for the military doesn't necessarily mean murdering kids in the middle East. That just sounds like a problem of what their decision is to do with that money. Not a problem with paying taxes, just what they specifically do with it.
2020-01-26 00:35
#203
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
no, i really just don't like having to constantly give a group of people money with which they do things that i don't agree, while being under the threat of being put in a cage or killed if i dont
2020-01-26 00:41
#204
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Canada ProvexPyker 
Even if you did agree with a group and their decisions, it would be pointless without having that threat.
2020-01-26 03:31
#207
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
The main thing I dislike is the threat. It’s the idea that you can’t opt out.
2020-01-26 12:35
#44
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China SwooksarV2 
I agree. Especially when I'm not even fucking Canadian and I have to pay this dumb 13% hst. Fuck ing hell
2020-01-07 16:39
I agree
2020-01-07 16:46
yes, that's why they should be kept at a minimum and politicians that come up with dumb taxes should be jailed
2020-01-07 16:57
Imagine paying almost 50% taxes your entire life while working 40+ hours each week. Just to one day read in the newspaper my fucked up country deposited 91.000 euro to an illegal family of refugees while they hadn't worked a single day here and didn't pay a single euro of tax.
2020-01-07 17:01
+1
2020-01-07 17:20
No one said that taxes should be misappropriated m8
2020-01-11 16:52
"Just to one day read in the newspaper my fucked up country deposited 91.000 euro to an illegal family of refugees while they hadn't worked a single day here and didn't pay a single euro of tax." show me that article.
2020-02-24 00:36
2020-02-24 19:38
1. What about the part that the guy has 3 handicapped kids? 2. How do you know that they havent worked a single day or havent given anything back to society or at least tried? Most of them have to go to language courses before they can do anything productive, but thats not their fault, thats literally the nature of the situation.
2020-02-24 20:41
#62
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Finland Miroyev 
Theft by definition is crime of stealing Taxation is just paying your part for society to function. It's not theft. We wouldn't be here if it was free for all without any government
2020-01-07 17:00
It's still theft if the state does not give you the option to keep all your wealth.
2020-01-18 01:36
#112
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Finland Miroyev 
How do you think societies and governments would work without any money? Who should pay for it if not citizens?
2020-01-18 23:52
If a man breaks through your door and robs the milk stored in your refrigerator to feed his children, that is still theft; even if you were more than willing to help him out in case he had simply asked you for help instead of physically invading your property. The same thought process applies to governments. It's not up for any government to decide what's moral and not to begin with. Plus, society alone creates all wealth already. The state can only steal it and, "most times", redistribute it.
2020-01-20 01:49
#151
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Finland Miroyev 
Person can't just live outside of the society and tax money is needed to keep society together. Everybody has benefits from the tax money like school, social security etc. Depends on the country if the rich have to pay more and poor benefit more from it, but it's done to increase equality
2020-01-23 12:27
Taxation is constitutional and constitutions are also the foundation of people having the right to live in a country, so as long as you want to stay in that country, you are a bigot if you say taxes should be get rid of. Either you are for the constitution of your country or against it, you cant just choose the rights you want and leave out your duties. For america for example it states: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
2020-01-07 17:28
Thats 16th amendment and the rightards say thats not "what the founding fathers would have wanted" and so on. Btw, what u are talking about is de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimationskette..
2020-01-11 16:48
#77
Edward | 
United Kingdom 0outof8 
Taxation is the price for civilisation but I would say that taxation without representation is theft
2020-01-08 00:13
per definition it is theft, but as you said, it is morally excusable
2020-01-08 00:16
#90
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
if i steal bread to feed my family is it morally excusable?
2020-01-13 23:53
morally =/= lawfully, morally yes, lawfully, no, you have to enforce the rule of telling them no you cant take that bread cause then everyone will take the bread
2020-01-18 20:59
#110
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
And what if I steal money to feed my family? Or to get a roof under my head? Where's the line?
2020-01-18 22:53
the line is, to the law,
2020-01-18 23:08
#118
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
At what point should a law not be the law? When is it the law morally in the wrong?
2020-01-19 13:07
ight lets put it this way 1 man steals a loaf of bread He gets pardoned 20 men steal loafs of bread they dont get pardoned, but say "how come he got pardoned and we didnt" 1000 men steal loafs of bread, bread supply drops, not everybody gets bread, more people go hungry cause they didnt get any bread because some people took too much bread and werent punished for it, without the law, more people would go hungry
2020-01-19 14:52
#137
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
true
2020-01-20 19:18
#91
gAndhi | 
Turkey sedo7 
taxation is modern slavery
2020-01-13 23:53
#125
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Brazil TaxIsTHEFT 
true. In other words state is a stationary bandit (a group of thieves, which realized that Instead of stealing from many groups all the time, which has a very high transaction cost, its much more easier u to join at this group and steal them little by little), then u dont have to wait them to recover, in other words, be a parasite). Its easier u take the cotrol of this group and give some benefits to them.
2020-01-20 01:57
+1
2020-01-20 02:03
bullshit ass faggot ass pussy ass bitch ass punk ass dumb ass argument
2020-02-24 00:39
#228
gAndhi | 
Turkey sedo7 
one slave has been found
2020-02-24 11:21
Nah, slaves are property. I am not property. You are just an alarmist who misuses words with a clear meaning coz otherwise you cant feel good about shitting on "ThE sYsTeM" coz it would be clear that its not as dramatic as you make it out to be.
2020-02-24 12:57
#231
gAndhi | 
Turkey sedo7 
you are property of goverment, if you don't pay your taxes you will get punished
2020-02-24 13:35
Thats not what property means, you dumbfuck. Thats what I mean when I say you misapproprate words that have a defined meaning to dramatize your position.
2020-02-24 14:20
#246
gAndhi | 
Turkey sedo7 
ok slave property
2020-02-24 17:49
coherency please.
2020-02-24 18:06
#92
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Hungary mEZENCEphalon 
nt trik
2020-01-13 23:55
sure. doesnt mean its a bad thing
2020-01-18 01:37
how is theft not a bad thing mens)))
2020-01-18 20:38
well. imagine if there was no taxation, who would build hospitals, who would build prisons, who would build homes, who would build anything? Private companies? sure, but we'll have to pay them (and probably more than what it already costs)
2020-01-18 20:59
Without taxes people would invest in projects they actually find benefitial for them, or do you think absolutely every human being on earth agrees with absolutely everything their goverment does with their money? If so, why is the actual utility of the aforementioned if without it people would still spend this money on stuff they agree on? The classical response is "to help out the poor", but it still doesn't justify theft since it implies someone can steal property at their will. Human ethics may not work just for some humans or some things and the term "property" implies that something is owned and has an owner. "Life" is something that is owned and has an owner (yourself for both occasions)... and if I'm willing to take "a percentage of your life span" to help charity and if you said "no" I'd usher you to prison and still do it anyways? The comparasion is absurd but it's what's actually implied when one assesses it's okay to steal part of someone else's money for a greater cause and that's why ethics should work with absolutely everything logical. Nonetheless, we humans are born with this things called "freedom" and yes I have the right to refuse paying taxes without going to jail bacause I don't have any ethic or moral obligation to do so.
2020-01-19 07:18
tldr
2020-01-20 21:01
Pff
2020-01-21 14:59
You give to society, and you receive from society in return. Thats how it works.
2020-02-24 00:40
Receive what from "society"?
2020-02-24 00:42
Laws aren't always moral.
2020-01-18 01:48
#205
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Brazil TaxIsTHEFT 
yes, just like nazism was at the lawn at Germany, buy this doesnt mean it was moral...
2020-01-26 12:05
And? I adressed that in the original thread.
2020-02-24 00:40
privatize everything taxation is theft capitalism is god's way of deciding who is smart and who is poor
2020-01-19 11:27
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
2020-02-24 00:41
taxation is good but if wasted in useless stuff instead of benefits for society then it's theft murica for exemple
2020-01-19 14:53
U.S has the biggest welfare state in the world, which given your flag and iq, you should love.
2020-01-20 02:03
wdym
2020-01-20 09:12
#124
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Brazil TaxIsTHEFT 
stop reading at "it is an excusable and moral form"... taxation isnt moral and its impossible to argue otherwise.
2020-01-20 01:54
yes it is who else gonna build hospitals and alike
2020-01-20 21:02
#143
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Brazil TaxIsTHEFT 
private sector
2020-01-20 23:14
lol, and how much would that cost? a shit load more than what it already does, companies are greedy
2020-01-21 00:34
#190
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Brazil Mr_SR 
Not that much dude, because the public system does not offer all complex care, those that they offer aren't so good and the basic care isn't that expensive so it wouldn't cost that much besides the competition between companies that would make it even cheaper
2020-01-23 16:10
What if I told you that unregulated capitalism and the invisible hand arent perfect unflawed infallible concepts?
2020-02-24 00:42
It's terrible that we still have this, but i believe that the healthiest form of taxation would be one where everyone regardless of race, sex, income or background pays the same tax, i believe in 0 taxes except for 1 single Federal vat of no more than 3% , + an universal tariff of no more than 3%. End of the story, no sosecurity nor welfare (UGHHH) , no public state "free" shit, just military, police and justice.
2020-01-20 02:02
same percentage of tax* not the same amount of money
2020-01-20 21:02
Wooow, you read up on adam smith and now think that low-tax libertarianism is the brilliant way to go? How unusual, NOT.
2020-02-24 00:44
You never cease to NOT surprise me, Two-Face.
2020-02-24 00:48
kewl
2020-02-24 00:48
Tax the rich until the day I'm rich
2020-01-20 09:16
#146
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Finland Volodya_21 
The only reason why Euros or Dollars are valuable, is because of taxation. It's the government who print the money, so they can choose whatever they want to do with it.
2020-01-21 00:40
#148
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Sweden DeeColon 
If I don't support the financial decisions made with my tax money, I should have the right to not pay them.
2020-01-21 15:02
then you should also not have the right to use any of the services that they provide
2020-01-23 12:32
There was someone saying he didnt want to pay the 2% or so going to the military but he failed at court ofc
2020-01-23 12:35
#156
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what he's referring to, I.E. not supporting your country's national health service if your company provides private medical care
2020-01-23 12:36
As a tax worker I can tell you that you have no choice
2020-01-23 12:34
#154
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
I read the title: "YES! This man gets it!" I read the post: "Justifiable theft? What the fuck?"
2020-01-23 12:35
it is justifiable, cause its for the benefit of millions. without taxes, nobody would build hospitals, schools, prisons, etc etc
2020-01-23 12:41
#162
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
without taxes, people would still need hospitals and schools, only then, cost and quality of service would matter more because it's publicly run, so realistically your school and healthcare would cost less and teach you more / get you an appointment quicker and faster treatment (respectively) as for prisons, they don't really work anyway. If someone breaks into your house, get the fucking 12 gauge
2020-01-23 12:43
never said people wouldnt need them, but who will actually build them, cause the private sector would definitely charge more. also i agree with the prison thing more countries gotta do reform like norway, they actually know how to teach people to be good people
2020-01-23 12:45
#164
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
Ok so the government (mainly) doesn't provide food for people. So people build restaurants/cafes to sell food to people. If you look up graphs of how prices of products in different industries over time, things that are majorly sold privately: - electronics - cars - food their price vs inflation has gone down since 1950 if you look at things that are either mainly publicly funded or subsidised: - healthcare - education - housing their price vs inflation has gone up since 1950
2020-01-23 12:48
who regulates the import of food though? without it, anything and anyone can get in, someone comes from china with the coronavirus in some food, bam, its in your country. I see where youre coming from but i still believe a lot of things would go to shit without taxes
2020-01-23 12:50
#167
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
With the virus example, companies just like now have to keep up a good public image, so they r gonna try their best to (even if not provide quality) provide safe products. Ik you're gonna get on me about Nestle and stuff and I'd just like to say that literally every monopoly/oligopoly in history has been supported by the government.
2020-01-23 12:54
#172
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Europe twitchy_ 
Something like this i.redd.it/7txf8te9iq941.jpg
2020-01-23 13:10
#183
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France OtelloO 
nice quote.
2020-01-23 14:27
It's not theft because it's part of the terms and conditions for living in the country you're in. The problem is the lack of choice we have in chosing a country of which it's rules we're happy to agree to follow. This isn't a man manmade problem it's just reality and the best we can do to solve it is to work towards creating more states with more diverse laws with one overarching government that only serves to protect the basic rights of all humans
2020-01-23 13:18
#186
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Argentina Cushiion 
Thats true, if no one would be obligated no one would pay them, people only pay them bcause the states and goverments have the monopoly of the violence and coercion
2020-01-23 15:22
#189
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Canada ProvexPyker 
Probably a stupid question but would there be a need for government if tax was removed? I think they'd lose their purpose
2020-01-23 15:49
#192
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Argentina Cushiion 
I mean in a future may be would be no need but right now is an utopy. The goverments has to be the small as they could, with the least amount of taxes, only for garantize a justice systeam, defense, and some health care.
2020-01-23 18:14
Are you fucking serious?
2020-02-24 00:46
#227
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Canada ProvexPyker 
Just stirring up discussion
2020-02-24 07:40
If you have been told that the only thing government does is collect and manage taxation, you have been sold a pathetic anti-statist lie.
2020-02-24 12:59
#186
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Argentina Cushiion 
Thats true, if no one would be obligated no one would pay them, people only pay them bcause the states and goverments have the monopoly of the violence and coercion
2020-01-23 15:22
Taxation is theft just as participating to a household chores and budget is slavery: in other words it's not. Your existence and everything that comes with it, which are your needs and desires, have a cost to society, it's the least you can do to contribute to society to offset that cost. If you really don't want to pay that cost, that's fine, then take your responsibilities and leave the society that you depend on, so that you're not a free-loader. Maybe you'll find this utopian fully privatized society where you need to subscribe to a company for the right to use pretty much anything (which would just be a hidden tax). You won't get around paying for your own cost if you want to live with other people.
2020-01-23 16:31
#195
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Norway Nikki_96 
tell it to my goverment ;)))
2020-01-24 08:30
So an agreement and a basic understanding to an action = stealing. Good job t-rex brain.
2020-01-24 08:35
The act of taking someones property by force is stealing, is it not?
2020-02-24 00:47
People are unable to care about their own health, eat shit and can't work because of weak bodies, taxation is necessary to deal with half percent of people who can't lead their life properly. They can have money to buy food at supermarket because they are too weak to hunt or grow something.
2020-01-26 12:13
Exactly, and people, especially libertarians have too big of an ego to realize that it IS the state that is like the parent guiding the child by force for its own good.
2020-02-24 00:48
profits are the real theft
2020-02-24 00:47
Hello my comrade
2020-02-24 16:43
People that think taxation is theft are retarded, you give consent to taxation by living in a society
2020-02-24 16:49
#244
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Poland Zgrzyt 
Taxation is paying the price for using infrastructure of the country or feeling the feeling of safety this country provides.
2020-02-24 16:52
Taxes are perfect. It balances the poor and the rich in term of necessary tools like education... Also, it makes the poor have a chance of buying the rich products incresing even more their account and making the economy go round. If you are mad because you pay a lot of taxes, be happy, because you make alot of money
2020-02-24 16:53
if you think taxation is theft go live somewhere else where there are no taxes your life will be shittier for it - why? these taxes improve quality of life for everyone in your country. if you disagree with this, you are retarded and please leave your country and fend for yourself
2020-02-24 18:14
#253
H1te | 
Other rssyo 
100T is theft
2020-02-24 20:42
this thread ((
2020-02-24 20:42
funny, cause in some regions is legal to torturate, but i didn't know it was moral.
2020-02-25 00:10
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