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COLDZERA GOAT
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Norway device_is_overrated 
How can a player who was the #1 player for two years in a row is not even in the conversation for the GOAT of CS GO? I'm not saying he definitely is the goat, but surely he should be in the conversation.
2020-01-14 15:04
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overrated baiter
2020-01-14 15:06
0/8 he is a passive player who had a lot of impact as opposed to other passive baiters with 0 to low impact who i wont mention.
2020-01-14 15:07
ropz is a better passive player
2020-01-14 15:08
Ropz is young maybe he will be better but cold was #1 for two years remember that.
2020-01-14 15:12
no cold is a overrated baiter
2020-01-14 15:14
no
2020-01-14 15:14
#70
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Other wtf_men 
+1
2020-01-15 07:40
#77
Aleksib | 
Finland Ipaa 
+1
2020-01-15 11:44
+1
2020-01-14 16:18
+1
2020-01-14 16:34
#48
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Brazil 1930 
LMAO HAHAHAHAHAAH
2020-01-14 16:23
flags checks out
2020-01-14 17:05
cold is not just "a passive player" You can see him often, and effectively, entry-fragging, lurking or awping
2020-01-17 04:33
In general he IS a passive player it is not meant to be an insult dont get triggered.
2020-01-17 04:34
#56
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Finland trashsports 
S1mple is overrated baiter not coldzera
2020-01-14 17:07
2016/2017 - yes 2018/2019 - no
2020-01-14 15:06
Does not matter. People mention f0rest (lmfaooo) as goat of cs when he never was the best in this game.
2020-01-14 15:08
I mean then GTR is the GOAT cuz he was #1 twice as well.
2020-01-14 15:15
Context matters. GTR was #1 when the scene was not competitive AND even with that YES i will put GTR in the conversation for GOAT ahead of f0rest. I never said cold was goat btw, i said he should be in the convo.
2020-01-14 15:17
lmao f0rest is the GOAT because he stayed relevant for over 11 years. it's greatest OF ALL TIME not "once was the greatest of this year"
2020-01-14 15:18
xaxaxaxax f0rest fanboy logic just because you stay relevant that makes you the GREATEST? Pathetic!
2020-01-14 15:18
It makes you the greatest OF ALL TIME, yes. Also NEO is up there as well Coldzera can suck my ass, although he's in up there in top 5 GOAT in CSGO
2020-01-14 15:19
GREATEST of ALL TIME without being the BEST once? Omegalol. Typical f0rest fanboy.
2020-01-14 15:20
no ofc rain is the goat right?
2020-01-14 15:21
Never said that. Try again.
2020-01-14 15:46
#25
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Portugal astacp 
"scene was not competitive" wtf u talking about lol and dont forget back then they had to create the meta from 0, not like today that even a gold can study the game so much easier.
2020-01-14 15:23
xaxaxaxax nice logic
2020-01-14 15:46
#31
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Portugal astacp 
its true dude. even back to my days in 1.6 it was a lot more competitive than it is now, there were tournments every week and this is in a country with noscene. the diferrence is the money involved nowadays and the visibility around other platforms but please dont say the game wasnt competitive coz thats bs.
2020-01-14 15:49
Sorry but i disagree. You put 1.6 on a pedestal. I don't. First cs i played was 1.5 and i think cs go is more tactical and the scene today is more competitive. Everyobdy has access to information now and can learn things and you always have to come up with new things to stay on top. It is pathetic to think back in the day was more competitive than today.
2020-01-14 15:54
I agree with you on the tactics point but 1.6 in terms of mechanics it was way higher level than CS Go is today. CS Go is way to watered down and that lowers the skill ceiling a lot. Also I think at least in the competitive tier 1 scene 1.6 was also way more competitive, way better players and teams than CS Go has, way more regions with a scene etc.
2020-01-17 05:02
#41
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Romania decis1ve 
exactly, everyone can study the game much easier. That is what makes this period the most competitive. At the start nobody knew each other's strats and it is a lot harder to counter strat other teams rn. U cant compare the scene from 2016 to today with 2013 and neither 2019 with 2017 lol. Its harder and harder for every team.
2020-01-14 16:05
+1 but gtr was never better than f0rest in 1.6 but GTR was still like #2 in 1.6, and f0rest was #2 in csgo but gtr was #1
2020-01-14 15:18
I'm talking about GOAT of CS GO. It is pointless to have an overall GOAT for both games. People only made that category so they could give it to their precious f0rest.
2020-01-14 15:20
for csgo hes like #3, device and kennyS above him
2020-01-14 15:22
Sorry but im gonna have to disagree.
2020-01-14 15:46
ok bro, that is fine, we can have different opinions
2020-01-15 01:31
that’s just wrong lmao
2020-01-14 22:24
#3
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Germany ToiletShitter 
LG/SK were never truly dominant. They won 2 majors in a row but they never dominated other tournaments. Cold was irrelevant before their run and he has never been special afterwards either. We have players like device who have been great since day 1 in csgo.
2020-01-14 15:07
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fnx | 
Brazil Colozzo 
And reading comments like that, I realize that humanity does not save you. Complete retard talking shit and thinking he understands the game!
2020-01-14 15:13
+1
2020-01-14 15:17
#63
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Albania Number1awper 
+1000
2020-01-15 01:10
+1 holy shit this comment section is filled with absolute retards
2020-01-14 15:20
Are you stupid? LG/SK won 2 majors and reached semifinals in every major they played. They won 6 or 7 events in a row. How were they not dominant for you? Ofc NIP era was way bigger, but cs:go evolved a lot since that era. It's a fact that today is more competitive, everything become more competitive when tons of money are being injected. Coldzera is definetely a goat. He had the best era of CS:GO and I am not only talking about aim, this is not the reason. Cold was great rifling, awping, calling, deagling... I've never seen a player that consistent for two years.
2020-01-14 16:36
#8
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Croatia sheddinator 
my name is cold; i'm a baiter i'll see you at the bomb site; a lil later
2020-01-14 15:13
Cold is great. But I can't put him into this discussion cuz there is no discussion. Neo is the number one of CS. (1.6 and GO). /closed
2020-01-14 15:22
And yes, I'm more than 30. lol
2020-01-14 15:25
I was talking about GOAT of CS GO. GOAT of both games is a stupid category. NEO is goat of 1.6
2020-01-14 15:47
Dev1ce is the GOAT of CSGO, especially if he keeps his form for another year. Just look at his top 20 placements throughout the years, he has the most MVPs out of all players by a mile, if you'd count EVPs he would probably be even more impressive. F0rest maybe was relevant throughout the years and cold aswell as GTR was 2 times top 1 in their own periods, but the consistency of dev1ce is incredible. And Neo shouldn't even be considered, he was a god in 1.6 and decent in GO
2020-01-14 15:51
2018 s1mple is individual GOAT player, even though device is way more succesful and more consistent not even zywoo is at s1mples peak level ppls really forget what a fucking year he had
2020-01-14 15:55
+1 finally someone i can agree with
2020-01-14 15:57
I agree that in 2018 s1mple was nuts, but that was only one year (don't get me wrong, he has been very good since 2016), that's why if we are picking the greatest of ALL TIME then device is more appropriate for this award.
2020-01-14 15:58
yea i agree overal modern CS probably device, but it's probably too early to title him GOAT of the entire CS franchise. i stand by my point tho that on PURELY an individual level noone can compete with the 2018 s1mple
2020-01-14 16:25
I disagree completely but thanks for leaving your opinion.
2020-01-14 15:55
Stats and awards don't lie, but you can think otherwise.
2020-01-14 15:58
I don't agree with you. Device is indeed a great player, but i don't think he is a goat. He achieved so many things, but this is not due to his individual perfomance, Astralis as a team reached another level, but there is nothing special in its players. It's just an excepcional team composed by excelent players, there is no star.
2020-01-14 16:43
noat.
2020-01-14 15:57
#40
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Spain Gronk22 
0/8 bad bait
2020-01-14 15:59
#42
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Brazil JazZ98 
beeeeeee
2020-01-14 16:07
+1 for Name
2020-01-14 16:10
GOAT in terms of skill would be s1mple he is the best mechanically skilled player and one of the smartest. GOAT in terms of impact on the game would be GeT_RiGhT or NEO
2020-01-14 16:15
BOT right lmfao
2020-01-14 18:12
he is now but he was #1 player 2 years in a row and remained in top 20 for 2 years after that
2020-01-14 22:10
#46
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Europe twitchy_ 
GOAT is spinbot, he doesn't need to see the enemies to kill all of them and he can play any level doing +40 bombs for sure.
2020-01-14 16:20
#50
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United States HAWT9 
Ask thooorin
2020-01-14 16:31
who says otherwise?
2020-01-14 16:42
Coldzera was irrelevant from 2012 to 2015 and from 2018 to 2020. He only ever did something in 2016-2017 and that's it. LG/SK won 2 majors and just a few tournaments in between, never really dominating other teams (constantly going back and forth with Faze, Astralis, Virus.Pro etc.). If you ask me I wouldn't consider that an era, but since many people say it was, it is by far the weakest of the four: 1. Astralis, 2. Fnatic, 3. NiP, 4. Lg/sk. Coldzera got #1 in 2017 but that was a robbery in clear day. NiKo was 1000x better than him that year. Looking at it skillwise (this will trigger many brazilians) Coldzera isn't very good compared to others: s1mple, zywoo, dev1ce, elige, magisk twistzz, electronic,... Pretty much half of the pro's today. In terms of consistency he is no where, and this is the key to being a goat. Players like dev1ce, f0rest, s1mple have shown great consistency over the years and much better gameplay which can easily give them the GOAT title. Coldzera was only relevant for 2 out of 8 years. Last but not least, TACO. I believe that if it wasn't for Taco's baiting, Coldzera wouldn't have been #1 both years. TL;DR: Coldzera isn't very good compared to others
2020-01-14 22:31
Worst argument i ever heard. Because someone was not relevant for a period of time he cant be goat even if he was #1 for two years in a row lmfaoo. What a pathetic argument.
2020-01-14 23:42
If thats the case then GeT_RiGhT is the GOAT, he was the first player to be #1 two years in a row. I didn't even mention him to be a goat because he fell off after 2016 and hasn't returned since. You do realise GOAT means Greatest Of All Time? 2 out of 8 years doesn't make you that. When you get players that perform consistently over a long period of time you get the GOAT. dev1ce is the biggest candidate for that since he is consistent since the very start. Top 5, five years in a row. GuardiaN (excluding 2019), s1mple (from 2015 to now), f0rest (since the beginning) are also big contenders for the GOAT. Coldzera isn't anywhere close Your argument isn't just pathetic, its dead wrong
2020-01-15 02:22
I never said cold was the goat i said he should be in the conversation jesus christ learn to read pls And yes 2 out of 8 years can make you goat depends on your performance on those 2 years.
2020-01-15 10:17
In that case, I can say ZywOo is the Goat (or in a conversation for goat) even tho he's been playing for just 1 year. Kinda stupid isn't it?
2020-01-15 10:25
No it is not stupid because context matters. Coldzera won two majors and other tournaments during those two years. It is pathetic that you all jump around hoops just to not mention him. And yes even get right should be in the conversation.
2020-01-15 10:48
Greatest Of ALL TIME Coldzera maybe greatest of 2016, that's it. I would mention only 5 players worthy of the goat title: device, f0rest, s1mple, olofmeister, GuardiaN Have a good day.
2020-01-15 11:40
You putting f0rest in the list proves how pathetic your judgment is. Have a good day!
2020-01-15 13:27
NIP and fnatic eras were shit. There was like 5 good teams and the rest was just dögshit. 87-0 against silver I bots with 5 fps and 400 ms. LG don't dominated during 2016, but at the end (like in ten years) only the majors will matter. And in 2017 SK absolutely dominated. Only Astralis is better than LG/SK. device is very good, but coldzera is better as a star player. When you have LG/SK and Australia, the best teams of CS:GO , with entries like TACO and dupreeh, aimers like fer and Magisk, clutchers like fnx and Xyp9x, IGLs like gla1ve and FalleN, and GOATS like coldzera and device, WHO are s1mple, f0rest, NEO, GTR and these other guys and teams.
2020-01-15 03:16
Did you seriously just say that Taco and fnx are/were one of the best in the world? Lmao anything you say will be held against you. I don't want to sound rude or mean, but Taco is one of the worst players (even though he's considered 'entry' or 'support'), you cannot mention his name next to dupreeh. Fer is the only decent player in that team, but he still can't be compared to Magisk. Who tf is fnx? The guy that played a few tournaments, won 2 majors and disappeared forever? I don't even consider him a top100 of all time. And don't you dare mention him next to Xyp9x's name. FalleN? Not a bad igl, but come one, Comparing him to gla1ve? Really? Device is by far more consistent than Coldzera, has played more, and has better stats than him. If these two are the only ones competing for goat status, device gets it 100 out of 100 times. 2017 was a year they struggled against Faze. They lost half the tournaments they played. I don't understand how people say that NiP had a shit era. They were just like Astralis are today. No one can beat them because they are far better than anyone, they create new metas and do neverbefore seen strats. 87-0 was as hard as it is today. You say 'there wasn't much competition', yeah, they were the creators of the first metas, they shaped how the game was played, they innovated many things we do/see today... Not many things to say about Fnatic. They had an era 300x better than Lg/Sk could even imagine to have. At some point no team could even challenge them. I still stand by the fact that SK didn't have an era but eh, who could argue with delusional fans.
2020-01-15 07:26
Oh sorry macedonia guy, delusional Astralis fan. LG/SK had an era, they were top 1 for two years, won back to back majors. NIP played against tier 20 teams that wasn't adapted with CS:GO, but with 1.6. Now that I mentioned 1.6, did you know that fnx won majors in 1.6? He isn't nothing, he's a legend. Stop sucking Astralis' balls, only because Denmark and Sweden (NiP) are first world countries, and Brazil isn't. I was actually praising Astralis, saying that they're good, but you cursed me like I was cursing them. Sorry guy, I feel bad for your small peanut brain.
2020-01-17 03:57
he's geh with niko thats why
2020-01-14 22:33
#65
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Peru devbot 
Baitzera is only consistent player f0rest is the GOAT
2020-01-15 01:36
Of course he's in the conversation, nobody said that he wasn't.
2020-01-15 01:38
Just check some of the comments in this thread and you'll see how much hate this player gets.
2020-01-15 13:28
Most of them are baiters, or racistas
2020-01-17 04:11
yeah, he is smart, has good skill and he is very clutch. did i mention that he is good with any weapon? he is not quite the goat but if you had to make a top 5, then i would add him.
2020-01-15 10:53
if you watch the povs of every contended zywoo is clearly the real goat cs have never witnessed
2020-01-15 11:44
#78
meyern | 
Portugal CRMN1 
Of course he's one of the GOATs. There is not only 1 GOAT because there are endless points of view, endless statistics. There is a group of people who can be considered the greatest of all time and Coldzera for sure is in that group. In my opinion the players that can be considered the greatests of all time in CS:GO (exclusively CS:GO, not counting 1.6 here) are, in no particular order: 1. GTR (undisputed) 2. Olofmeister (undisputed) 3. device (undisputed) 4. coldzera (undisputed) 5. s1mple (undisputed) 6. kennyS (undisputed) 7. snax (debatable) 8. NiKo (debatable) 9. GuardiaN (debatable) 10. f0rest (debatable) 11. flusha (debatable) 12. ZywOo (depends on how he does in 2021 but most likely will be on this list by the end of 2020). I'm taking a mixture of consistency and peak performance as a method of ranking, as well as hltv rankings history and personal achievements (MVPs) since CS:GO went competitive. And also mind this is my personal list, nowhere do I say this is correct or wrong, just my view.
2020-01-15 12:01
Finally a real comment in this thread. But i will have to disagree a bit. kennyS is debatable for me. he hasn't done one notable thing since 2015 and is overrated as hell from fanboys. He had one godlike year 2014, the only thing which gives him some sort of credibility, but that is what makes his entry in the list debatable. Other than that i completely agree with your list.
2020-01-15 13:25
#90
meyern | 
Portugal CRMN1 
I was considering that as well but kennyS' peak was way too strong and possibly one of the 3 best individual peaks in history of CS:GO. He also has 10 MVPs (the 2nd most I believe, only after device) and 3 of them were in big events in 2017 where he also finished on #6 in the rankings. I don't know... could be debatable, but I wouldn't consider undisputed a crime either... I think it's even more suitable, but I get you. Anyway, thanks
2020-01-15 17:09
He is great player dude...
2020-01-15 13:06
#80
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Senegal Jackbwoy 
Cold is great but not the best. He needs to bait the team to play. I think yes, he is overrated.
2020-01-15 13:13
#84
shox | 
Italy DaDoar 
Coldzera is bad and not a GOAT. FATZERA way better and definetely goat candidate
2020-01-15 13:30
obviously cold had a fantastic run in 2k16\17. but thats it, since then he was nothing impressive or over any other rank1 player. i do love his playstyle but still cannot say that he deserves more than he got. GTR is the undisputed 1st place (majorly because of he was the best for over 2 years in CSGO and many years in the 1.6 community)
2020-01-15 13:32
Ahhahahahah typical nip fanboy and hater of cold. I agree gtr deserves to be a contender for goat but WTF has GTR done since 2014? Nothing lmfao. I'm talking about GOAT of cs go. Dont mention 1.6. Goat of 1.6 is NEO.
2020-01-15 13:36
actualy im not nop fanboy, and im not cold hater, i really do believe that cold is not good enough to be counted as the greatest, he had an incredible run, of course, he was above all other players at that time but today he is just degrading just like all other FaZe clan member, only that he was crashing while being at MiBR aswell. currently there is no GOAT - gtr got 2 1st hltv, cold has 2, and the youngsters are rising way too fast for those players to get back to their peek. skillwise, s1mple and zywoo are way above cold and gtr's peek.
2020-01-15 16:58
#91
meyern | 
Portugal CRMN1 
Says coldzera shouldn't be a goat because he was only "good" for 2 years. Proceeds to say GTR is the undisputed #1 for the same exact reason. Man... work on those lines of thought. Coldzera was the best in 2017 and 2018, GTR was the best in 2013 and 2014. Coldzera did it in a more competitive era, so based on what you said GTR has no upperhand here. You might have your reasons and I won't argue, but this ain't it.
2020-01-15 17:07
#93
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Portugal Silvah4i20 
+1
2020-01-17 04:08
+1 nothing more to say after that
2020-01-17 04:25
Don't forget about his two major mvp
2020-01-17 04:32
You can't call someone GOAT if the game has a short story and is still being played by other players who have the same potential to become one. You can make a list of contenders for this title ATM but there is no GOAT player for me. Except for Astralis, they are the GOAT team without a doubt
2020-01-15 13:41
L M A O
2020-01-15 13:43
Coldzera was 2x major, 2x major mvp and 2x player of the year, all of this in a row. But brazilians are not suppose to be top 1, cause they not north americans or europeans players.
2020-01-17 04:13
#96
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Brazil |LUCAS1| 
Because he's brazilian lol
2020-01-17 04:16
GTR and Olofmeister were only one time major mvp, S1mple never win a major, Device or Niko were never top 1... So yes, Coldzera is the goat. Cause he did it all twice.
2020-01-17 04:20
Cause he is brazilian
2020-01-17 04:29
name checks out braindead
2020-01-17 04:35
#104
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Brazil goatzera 
For sure he is on the list, together with f0rest, GeT_RiGhT, device. s1mple and ZywOo need more achievements, I think it's early for them, and cold has a lot of gas to burn yet, I wouldn't say the same for f0rest and GTR. We could take a hole day discussing this
2020-01-17 04:55
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