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Electronic #7 or lmao
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Denmark 4vs0 
Everyone knows that the HLTV top 20 isnt actually ranking the most skilled 20 players, but its ranking the 20 best resume's of the year with that said, I hope HLTV doesnt fall victim to braindead fan complaining and only look at rating for the remainder of the top 20, starting with electronic Honestly i dont even know if electronic should be above ropz, but lets just compare him to magisk and naf to see how ridiculous it would be if he made top 5 this year Rating: Electronic 1.23 NAF 1.17 Magisk 1.16 and that, is just about all he has over the other 2, literally the only thing Maps played: Electronic 100 NAF 147 Magisk 126 MVPs: Electronic 0 (less than aerial) NAF 2 Magisk 1 (but it was major mvp) EVPs: Electronic 3 (less than stewie2k) NAF 9 Magisk 9 Trophies: Electronic 1 (lmao both liquid and astralis missed that event) NAF 7 Magisk 6 Finals: Electronic 0 (LOOOOOOL) NAF 5 Magisk 3 and finally, head to head NAF vs. Electronic: NAF wins 7, electronic wins 2 Magisk vs. Electronic Magisk wins 2, electronic wins 0, 1 tie BO3 H2H: None between magisk and electronic this year NAF vs Electronic IEM katowice 2019: NAF 0.98, Electronic 0.90 ESL one Cologne 2019 group stage: NAF 1.03, Electronic 1.00 ESL one Cologne 2019 semifinal: NAF 1.08, Electronic 0.95 Although NAF wasnt impressive, electronic was somehow worse Now, lets revisit every single top 5 player since 2013 2013 GTR F0rest Shox Dosia NBK 2014 GTR Flusha Pasha Snax JW 2015 Olof Guardian Device Snax Flusha 2016 Cold FalleN Device S1mple Snax 2017 Cold NiKo Fer Rain Device 2018 S1mple Device NiKo Electronic Dupreeh with the exception of device in 2016 (astralis' worst year) every single top 5 player has been on a top 5 team for the year 2019? NaVi was 8 hltv.org/news/28738/top-10-teams-of-2019 and in all honestly, faze had a better year than them TLDR: if elec isnt 7, HLTV massive bias
2020-01-14 18:31
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#1
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Peru TheJuan
lmao
2020-01-14 18:32
#2
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Denmark 4vs0
no
2020-01-14 18:32
#3
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Peru TheJuan
I choose Electronic #7 then
2020-01-14 18:34
#20
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Denmark 4vs0
yes
2020-01-14 18:41
#4
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Denmark iLoVeReD
If electronic won 1 event, that means he has one final also. Go go electronic, ez #5 for him.
2020-01-14 18:34
#13
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Denmark 4vs0
if ur counting that way, NAF 12 magisk 9 elec 1 LMAOOOO
2020-01-14 18:39
#17
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Denmark iLoVeReD
No woxic 12 Twistzz 9 KSCERATO 1
2020-01-14 18:40
#19
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Denmark 4vs0
slow claps btw fer 2 right
2020-01-14 18:41
#38
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Denmark iLoVeReD
no, coldzera is 2 fer is 4
2020-01-14 18:46
#40
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Denmark 4vs0
whos 3? kng
2020-01-14 18:48
#41
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Denmark iLoVeReD
meyern ofc
2020-01-14 18:48
#42
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Denmark 4vs0
ok but where is luken then?
2020-01-14 18:48
#43
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Denmark iLoVeReD
21
2020-01-14 18:49
+ go godtronix
2020-01-14 18:58
#5
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United Kingdom alcazar4
tldr: electronic > magisk, naf
2020-01-14 18:35
thanks
2020-01-14 18:35
He did not achieve anything this year
2020-01-14 18:51
#56
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United Kingdom alcazar4
no one argued that navi was better than astralis or liquid, only that electronic is a better player than magisk or naf.
2020-01-14 18:57
#60
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Denmark 4vs0
once again, hltv doesnt rank the skill, it ranks the resume, which electronic is severely lacking
2020-01-14 18:59
#73
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United Kingdom alcazar4
irrelevant since electronic is a better player, no matter what the hltv rankings, or you, say.
2020-01-14 19:19
#99
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United Kingdom alcazar4
kennys robbed so hard
2020-01-14 19:51
Well we got f*cked by HLTV GOOD JOKE
2020-01-14 20:07
#114
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United Kingdom alcazar4
wp wp
2020-01-14 20:12
magisk > electronic
2020-01-15 20:47
#137
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United Kingdom alcazar4
2020-01-15 20:48
irrelevent since electronic isnt a better player, because better players win shit and electronic not only didnt win any real t1 tournaments, he didnt win any tournaments at all outside of a fluke event where astralis and liquid both skipped u are just a retarded kid only looking at stats
2020-01-15 20:49
#143
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United Kingdom alcazar4
better teams win tournaments, is it really that hard to understand?
2020-01-15 20:50
better, selfless, teamfirst players win tournaments players who chase stats and only care about kills dont understood?
2020-01-15 20:51
#146
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United Kingdom alcazar4
both of those statements are untrue
2020-01-15 20:52
both are 100% true astralis is the goat not because of their aim, their aim alone would prob only get them to the 10th best team of all time or so but because of their teamwork, smartness, selfless play the players play as a unit, sacrificing individual dominance for the betterment of the team, they play as one navi's teamwork is a fucking joke, especially in the old roster with zeus and edward
2020-01-15 20:54
#148
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United Kingdom alcazar4
vrooooooooooom better team =/= better player s1mple > device electronic > magisk
2020-01-15 20:55
Don't want to argue but one thing you're missing is that if you put filter for best player 2019 top 10 teams simple and electronic are not even there. Let's assume they do good and have 3 bots -> go out earlier and tournaments as well as play smaller tournaments which leads to playing more against weaker opponents .. Another thing (biased ofc) is that if their teammates don't frag then the opponent's weaker players (let's call them support players) would die more often to simple and electronic. Third thing that is not biased is that if you have 4 players in top 20 it means all 4 of them are fragging or at least have high rating which means that you cannot achieve as high rating as often as if you had 3 bots. simple > device raw aim (would always prefer device who is more composed and a better teammate -> i would say device is the better player) magisk > electronic every day all day
2020-01-16 17:30
#167
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United Kingdom alcazar4
thats because they dont have the same number of maps, again somewhat of a non argument when all these players have already demonstrated that they can play well always. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01.. you act as if device is ultra composed, hes smashing his screen all the time lmfao? and your definition of "better teammate" is just "winning more", you dont know what s1mple does as a teammate and nor do you know what device does, dont pretend like you do. electronic > magisk, check the stats
2020-01-16 17:59
My definition actually is doing the right play. But maybe you are right, indeed, I don't know what they do, I am just sharing my impression and opinion. If we compared stats only then every top 20 up until now would have to be changed...again personally I see much bigger impact from magisk.
2020-01-17 08:59
Hardworker, congrats mate
2020-01-14 18:35
#44
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Denmark 4vs0
appriciate it
2020-01-14 18:49
first time i see electronic hater
2020-01-14 18:35
#45
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Denmark 4vs0
stating facts = hater? Astralis > NaVi damn im a navi hater
2020-01-14 18:49
XDDDDD so mad lul
2020-01-14 19:22
There's no hate in his post
2020-01-14 19:07
#9
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Bosnia and Herzegovina aynz1
Imagine doing this much research and analyzing for a player you dislike
2020-01-14 18:36
#18
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Denmark 4vs0
its common knowledge that electronic's resume this year is even more empty than ur mother's love
2020-01-14 18:40
No
2020-01-14 18:48
#65
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India FosFate
+1
2020-01-14 19:02
he dislikes him? nobody hates elec he is just showing facts
2020-01-14 18:44
#57
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Denmark 4vs0
at least 120 IQ more than the boston and heroingomez individual above
2020-01-14 18:58
Magisk #7 cry is free
2020-01-14 18:37
#11
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Russia ToughGuy
ahahah just imagine this guy spent all day to write this shit btw flag and flair checks out
2020-01-14 18:38
#16
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Denmark 4vs0
name flag and flair check out
2020-01-14 18:40
Lmao, electronic has like 2ximpact and better stats than magisk and naf, while carring zeus edward and guardian
2020-01-14 18:43
#30
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Denmark 4vs0
Why is it, that navi make semis easily, but always lose??? maybe s1mple and elec are farming groups too hard
2020-01-14 18:44
Zywoo Device/Elige Elige/Device Simple Naf Mag Elec
2020-01-14 18:39
#15
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Denmark 4vs0
no way elige about device but yeah
2020-01-14 18:39
Lmao Do you even think device will be top 2? Lmaoooo
2020-01-14 18:44
#33
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Denmark 4vs0
0.04 rating vs 3 mvps (1 major), like 9 evps vs like 3 for s0mple want me to continue or u had enough? rating isnt everything kid, s0mple isnt in 2018 with a 1.35 rating + 6 mvps anymore
2020-01-14 18:45
he will be top1 or 2 with zywoo
2020-01-14 18:52
Besides Zywoo Elige was the most consistent player all year. Seems like every game he played was around the 1.10-1.30 rating.
2020-01-14 18:46
#39
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Denmark 4vs0
2020-01-14 18:47
Stat padding in group stage expected
2020-01-14 18:41
#23
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Denmark 4vs0
Yeah theres a reason navi always gets direct semis but then loses in the semis
2020-01-14 18:42
#22
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Ukraine YUR4S
0/8
2020-01-14 18:41
#25
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Denmark 4vs0
are u rating s1mple's performence in major finals? in which case i must agree with u
2020-01-14 18:42
you are probs right about #7, worst year for navi, since zeus left, they are nothing more than solid tier 2 team with decent players
2020-01-14 18:42
#26
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Denmark 4vs0
they were a t2 team even when zeus was still there this year this entire year they have been less than impressive
2020-01-14 18:43
#75
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Sweden shonk
solid tier 2 hah....
2020-01-14 19:25
this makes sense actually, nice thread
2020-01-14 18:43
#29
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Russia Roneeee
Electronic hater? Wtf? Anyone really hate him? Also hltv isnt biased, just look at 2018 top20
2020-01-14 18:43
#37
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Denmark 4vs0
right i remember that NAF 2 mvps Magisk 1 mvp Dupreeh 1 mvp Electronic 0 mvp NAF 9 evp Magisk 9 evp Dupreeh 8 evp Electronic 7 evp hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01.. why was elec above all 3 of them?
2020-01-14 18:46
Electronic as an individual > magisk/naf Y'all really underestimating electronic he's not just a talent he's fucking insane imo he's really the best Russian player ever
2020-01-14 18:45
Boosted stats against tier5 teams like navi
2020-01-14 21:30
imo it's very interesting one of the best stats vs one of the best achievements did some comparison as well hltv.org/forums/threads/2224148/naf-elec..
2020-01-14 18:52
#49
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Denmark 4vs0
thats the thing, its not like electronic just has an insanely high rating either, i think he's 4th in rating, about 30th in personal achievements
2020-01-14 18:52
he's top3 in rating at majors and big events, 11/11 big events with 1.1+ rating (something only zywoo and 2018 simple did) actually did better than last year considering how irrelevant Navi was throughout the year
2020-01-14 18:58
#54
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Denmark 4vs0
i read ur comparison, theres some good stuff there, the top 5 stat at lan was pretty telling of elec farming his stats
2020-01-14 18:56
TBH this was the best thread on HLTV, no toxicity and facts good job my men
2020-01-14 18:54
#52
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Denmark 4vs0
ofc you know us good users only deal in facts, and dont throw around shitty baits to try and be funny
2020-01-14 18:55
Simple is going to blow your last statement. He is Top 5 easy this year
2020-01-14 18:54
#55
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Denmark 4vs0
too late, like i already mentioned if u read carefully, device already broke that curse by making top 5 in 2016 even tho astralis sucked that whole year outside of the last month or so
2020-01-14 18:57
I hope he's #5 just because of this post
2020-01-14 18:56
+1
2020-01-14 19:01
#64
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Denmark 4vs0
If he makes top 5, itll be a top 3 biggest robbery in hltv top 20 history
2020-01-14 19:02
#82
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Montenegro Kladiz
+1
2020-01-14 19:35
Ez top 4 for papatronic
2020-01-14 19:00
Forgot that he has a dogshit team while NAF and Magisk have teams that performed really fooken good at one point or another in 2019.
2020-01-14 19:02
#66
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Denmark 4vs0
hltv shown they dont give sympathy to players on dog shit teams, especially if he isnt even the best player on his dogshit team
2020-01-14 19:02
Good work on all the info mens)) 👍
2020-01-14 19:03
#68
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Denmark 4vs0
thank
2020-01-14 19:04
well elec shines in a completely lost team, playing very tricky positions. he would be a well deserved top 5 member in this year.
2020-01-14 19:06
#71
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India FosFate
Electronic is a group stage stat-padder. This is a dumb metric, but everytime I picked Electronic in a fantasy, he was always really, really high rated in early rounds, but almost got stuck at that number in playoffs almost everytime. Meanwhile for Magisk nd NAF it was consistency. Both had average ratings in groups, but by the time of finals, they were almost always Top 3-10 in League
2020-01-14 19:07
#72
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Denmark 4vs0
To further up on ur claims Keep this in mind Why is it, that out of the 6 semifinals navi made this year, they only advanced in 1 of them, and the 1 they did advance was at an event where liquid and astralis both skipped maybe s0mple and elect0nic are too busy farming groups, than preping playoffs
2020-01-14 19:08
Dude pls get a life
2020-01-14 19:29
#77
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Sweden shonk
just dont go to sleep too early. i want to see u making excuses u spent so much time to do this thread ... for what? for deleting it in a few hours? cause elec not gonna be below magisk thats for sure.....
2020-01-14 19:32
#78
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Denmark 4vs0
why would i make excuses lmao i didnt say he wont be top 5 i said he doesnt deserve top 5
2020-01-14 19:33
#91
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Sweden shonk
alright thanks for your opinion based on team achievements naf and magisk arent even close to him in terms of impact. thats why he was number 4 last year. and dev1ce second and not first like s1mple. your post is meaningless. they wont even look at the trophies... cause these trophies belong to their teams. if he played in any of these teams he would have as many finals as them + more mvps, evps and better stats. so why exactly doesn't he deserve it?
2020-01-14 19:43
#98
shonk | 
Sweden shonk
why does Zywoo deserve first place? could u please count his finals, trophies and compare it with dev1ce's achievements? maybe devve top1 this year? what u think ? good idea huh? probably the best ind player in the world right now right? cause sO mAnY fInAlS
2020-01-14 19:50
#101
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Uzbekistan zMo_z
damn you killed her dude
2020-01-14 20:02
oh my man. what a surprise. naf 7 :D XD
2020-01-14 20:18
#79
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Montenegro Kladiz
0/8
2020-01-14 19:34
#80
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Denmark 4vs0
is that electronics top 5 rating of 1.13, an entire 0.10 lower than his normal rating cough cough group stage farmer
2020-01-14 19:34
#81
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Montenegro Kladiz
you're a mad kid
2020-01-14 19:34
#83
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Denmark 4vs0
not mad yet ill be mad if elec gets top 5 tho
2020-01-14 19:35
1 win + 0 finals Kkkkkkkk
2020-01-14 19:35
#85
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Denmark 4vs0
i mean it would look worse if i counted championships as finalists aswell 12 NAF 9 magisk 1 electr0majorsnic
2020-01-14 19:36
hope hes #5 so u will cry
2020-01-14 19:37
#87
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Denmark 4vs0
i wont cry as hard as u after u found out the trash fluke baiter isnt top 20
2020-01-14 19:38
wtf? he is #2
2020-01-14 19:40
superior rating
2020-01-14 19:41
you are right, but about mvps, tbh it's pretty hard to claim one with s1mple in the team
2020-01-14 19:42
#95
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Denmark 4vs0
also hard to claim one when u dont show up for semifinals
2020-01-14 19:45
I know what you want to say, Dannish boy. D3vic3 won't be top1 of 2019. \close
2020-01-14 19:43
#94
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Denmark 4vs0
and s0mple wont be top 3 elec wont be top 5
2020-01-14 19:44
you lose. cry
2020-01-14 20:07
elec wasnt 5, sorry
2020-01-15 20:45
Electronic #6 and lmao? Kid
2020-01-16 03:17
read #94
2020-01-16 16:59
elec is already in top 5 ahahah, hltv shows that nude raiting for them much important sry
2020-01-14 20:21
sorry bud, didnt happen
2020-01-15 20:45
#100
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Russia ToughGuy
AHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
2020-01-14 20:01
Xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa cry
2020-01-14 20:02
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2020-01-14 20:04
#104
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Ukraine beazztov
1. ZywOo 2. s1mple 3. device 4. EliGE 5. electronic 6. Magisk
2020-01-14 20:04
cry is free
2020-01-14 20:04
Nice research bruh
2020-01-14 20:04
Cry
2020-01-14 20:04
AHAHAHAHAHAHH AYYYYY LMAOOO XAXAXAXXAXAAXAXXA
2020-01-14 20:05
Its definitely the lmao. HLTV.org are slave only to numbers. Achievements means nothing apparently.
2020-01-14 20:06
KEKW
2020-01-14 20:11
Kinda agree, if electronic will be higher than NAF and Magisk just because of rating so should Jame (and he is not even in top 20 which is fair) so it doesn't make any sense
2020-01-14 20:14
I got baited by all these tards writing electronic #7 on the guessing game when I was going to pick NAF, f
2020-01-14 20:14
AHAHAHAHAHA REKT
2020-01-14 20:15
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA EZ
2020-01-14 20:20
keep in mind events are weighted different in this ranking. electronic did extremely well at the biggest events (ESL Cologne, Dreamhacks Malmo, EPL S10 and the 2 majors) while NAF was pretty average on both majors, EPL and Malmo.
2020-01-14 20:21
Dreamhack masters isnt as big of an event as EPL just fyi
2020-01-15 20:50
most aren't, but this particularly one was stacked, it had almost all the top teams
2020-01-15 21:57
Just because an event is more stacked doesnt mean its a higher caliber id say cologne this year was more stacked that katowice which was a major and obviously a higher caliber the status EPL brings, is far greater than dreamhack masters, regardless of the fact that DHM might have been more "stacked"
2020-01-15 23:21
either way. the guy who made this ranking says these are the 5 biggest events this year, i'm just quoting him
2020-01-15 23:34
5 biggest doesnt mean they are all equal 1.) majors 2.) cologne 3.) Katowice (this year kato was #1 cuz it was a major, so this spot is vaccant) 4.) EPL 5.) Rest of the IGS events so DHM is here
2020-01-16 17:06
Besides. lets take a look at their performence at these events Majors ~ elec 1 evp, naf 0 Cologne ~ elec 0 evp, naf 1 evp Katowice ~ again not this year since kato was a major EPL ~ elec 1 evp. naf 1 evp IGS ~ elec 1 evp, naf 6 evp Big events ~ elec 3 evp, naf 9 evp 1 mvp Rest ~ elec 3 evp, naf 10 evp, 2 mvp so yeah. not even close
2020-01-16 18:36
Lost all respect i never had for hltv
2020-01-14 20:22
me too
2020-01-14 20:23
elec deserved top 6 <3
2020-01-14 20:23
U called it. What a joke ranking.
2020-01-14 21:18
at least he didnt make top 5, that wouldve been a huge robbery altho elec over naf basically shows the scene that hltv gives 0 shits about mvps evps and success
2020-01-15 20:45
cuz hltv are navi fanboys
2020-01-14 21:20
+1
2020-01-15 20:49
how you doing ? xd
2020-01-14 21:20
alright, pretty upset elec was above naf twistzz brehze and ropz, but at least hltv didnt expose ur gayness for navi by putting elec in the top 5
2020-01-15 20:50
no need to cry man its ok go wash your face and come back :(
2020-01-15 22:28
was that the routine u did after london or kato or berlin or cologne or any major in csgo history?
2020-01-15 23:20
nope it was really cringe btw ithink you are a fat gamer or a skinny kid who lives with mommy all day and only says iwant food
2020-01-16 00:28
my fat/skinny gamer parents make 70k euros per year on average, and my favorite csgo team won 4 majors ur "amazing" ass parents make 4k euros per year on average, and ur favorite team has won about 0 csgo majors and thats all the info we have about each other, so whos really winning?
2020-01-16 17:04
first off all iam talking about you not your parent you probably sit all day in pc and yes you are skinny/fat so ithink iwon if you cant talk about yourself so you need to add your parents xd
2020-01-16 17:16
yea, u think im fat/skinny because i think chasing stats is overrated and shouldnt be rewarded over teamplay, and to a certain extent i was right elec failed to reach top 5 navi will also never reach top 5 again and they will watch astralis take their 5th major, with magisk taking the 2019 #5 spot, in the 2020 major in may, the 5th month all these fives, yet only astralis are getting the positive ones
2020-01-16 17:19
and now you're changing subject
2020-01-16 17:27
+1 ropz better
2020-01-14 21:21
+1
2020-01-15 20:49
Good post, fully agreed.
2020-01-14 21:35
AYE AYE YA YA GOIN TOP #5 YA YA AYE AYE YUH YUH YUH sry im just celebrating for daddy electronic.
2020-01-14 21:37
thats too bad isnt it?
2020-01-15 20:45
#145
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Norway TheRumart
stopped reading after "Everyone knows", 1/8
2020-01-15 20:51
#153
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Slovakia S1W0
I personally think electronic was a better player in 2019 then magisk
2020-01-15 23:25
I know what you’re saying, but at the end of the day these top 20 players lists are so irrelevant, I don’t see the point of it.
2020-01-15 23:36
I agree. He was on fire on some tournaments, maybe he even played better then Naf or Magisk, but played way few maps and tournaments, won nothing. Even twistzz achieved more.. for hltv standards it makes no sense
2020-01-16 00:36
mvps and evps are worthless LUL
2020-01-16 17:03
Not worthless but people tend to overrate its impact.
2020-01-18 06:32
Wrong again. :D
2020-01-18 06:31
TYLOO
1.08
ZIGMA
7.10
R!OT
2.04
Mako
1.73
forZe
15.70
Sprout
1.01
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