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United States KinglyFish 
The Federal Jobs Guarantee is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard. More paper pushers and government bureaucrats is exactly what we need. Who actually thinks Bernie's ideas are gonna work? Medicare for all, Federal Jobs Guarantee, Cancel student loan debt, etc... I can assure you a 1% wealth tax isn't gonna pay for all this, believe it or not billionaires have a finite amount of money.
2020-01-16 12:29
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#1
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Sweden wtf_men 
Who cars about NA politics
2020-01-16 12:32
There's like 20 threads about NA politics everyday on here. lol
2020-01-16 12:32
#46
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France OtelloO 
Made by people like you
2020-01-16 13:06
What does this even mean? Ofc it was by people like me, people interested in American politics, who else would post these threads?
2020-01-16 14:13
shut the fuck up
2020-01-16 19:23
#180
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Panama ayykaramba 
china mad lul
2020-01-16 19:25
No you shut the fuck up, if you don't like the thread, you're free to leave.
2020-01-16 19:49
ahahahahaha, no, no, no ahahahah he did not
2020-01-16 20:13
what?
2020-01-16 20:13
nothing
2020-01-16 20:13
lol
2020-01-16 20:17
#269
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Sweden Rezeter 
pretty much every western country got free health care. You are stupid not to have it. maybe not cancel student loans but at least uni should be free like it is in most western countries. For a developed country you are lagging behind alot. 24% of the governments income from taxes in US goes to the military. Maybe you should put some of that money to the people instead.
2020-01-16 22:51
I believe in affordable university and medicare for all like most reasonable people. The only demographic in the US who doesn't want these things are Boomers.
2020-01-16 22:53
#272
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Sweden Rezeter 
I believe that most people want it. I just dont get why people in US are so hesitant towards it and people like Bernie. He only wants good things for the people. You see that it works in other countries so why would it not work in the US? The things that can be difficult is taxing the rich and big corporation. Since we live in a international world, big companies and rich people can just move to avoid these kind of taxes and then US would not get any income from them. I dont think that is the solution, maybe Bernie is a bit naive in that regard.
2020-01-16 23:02
Old people already have medicare, so they legitimately don't care if anyone gets medicare for all. If you say they care about their children and grandchildren, you've never met a Boomer in America.
2020-01-17 00:34
#312
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Sweden Rezeter 
Why so focused on boomers? I don’t believe thats what I was saying at all.
2020-01-17 13:02
chinese boy mad
2020-01-16 20:53
yes i'm very 😡
2020-01-16 20:54
yes because HLTV is the best place to seriously discuss politics
2020-01-16 13:52
It honestly is, where else am I gonna discuss it, Reddit? lmao.
2020-01-16 14:14
#202
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United States burgerboy 
i love getting 500 downvotes because i have a different opinion
2020-01-16 20:08
"I personally don't think Bernie Sanders is the greatest man who ever lived" 3.2k downvotes
2020-01-16 20:09
#237
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Portugal snow344 
burger
2020-01-16 21:22
#160
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United Kingdom Fizzhaz 
NA politics is legit all that matters ...
2020-01-16 16:06
why would it matter? domestic NA politics are irrelevant
2020-01-16 20:00
#277
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United Kingdom Fizzhaz 
tru but US foreign policy still the most important by far
2020-01-17 00:20
the president is irrelevant when it comes to foreign policy
2020-01-17 07:04
#310
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United Kingdom Fizzhaz 
if only
2020-01-17 09:57
#3
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Greenland FreedomFighter 
Bernie is bad for the World's greatest country.
2020-01-16 12:32
Yup just wants more paper pushers and government bureaucrats and endless social safety nets. Most of his ideas have no basis in reality or logic, I have no idea why anyone's voting for this guy.
2020-01-16 12:34
#8
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Greenland FreedomFighter 
I just don't understand how there are some soyboys that think - 'The state' which is the biggest source of corruption, a lot of people want to control it and a lot do actually control it if given more rights and money will solve all their problems. It is just insane how people are so delusional. If the power is more centralized, the people will never be free and be dependent on who's ruling that country. Bernie might be the greatest man ever but he won't live forever. What makes them think that the guy after Bernie will be as honest and as good as him? Nothing
2020-01-16 12:37
Bernie is a very honest guy and is definitely a good person. His ideas are just beyond archaic and won't work. I don't think any reasonable person actually thinks its possible to implement all his policies, they're just caught up in his honest politician charisma. Even his supporters probably know his ideas aren't practical and why a bigger government isn't practical either.
2020-01-16 12:43
#110
keev | 
Germany _PH1L 
So vote for ideotic ideas (like most of those of republicans)? Better idealist than konservative!
2020-01-16 14:00
+1 but americans will never understand
2020-01-16 19:48
If you wanna be free, if you wanna choose what to do with your life - you must never allow the Government to be so powerful, you just never know who's gonna rule the country.
2020-01-16 12:40
#244
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Sweden chainylol 
What do you mean not based on logic? A lot of his proposals are already the reality in the rest of the developed world, such as medicare 4 all (universal healthcare) and universal college. These programs are also massively popular and objectively better than your systems. You also have a massively corrupt political system and he is the only one who wants to change that.
2020-01-16 22:12
FJG makes no sense. Having unemployed people working for the government doing some useless job is ridiculous. And cancelling student loan debt is absolutely stupid.
2020-01-16 22:31
Nt Billionaires have infinte amount of money
2020-01-16 12:34
Bernie's social programs basically cost an infinite amount of money anyway.
2020-01-16 12:35
It would be a start if corporations actually would pay taxes instead of evading them completely
2020-01-16 12:37
I agree which is why I want a VAT in the US, this tax is almost unavoidable if implemented correctly. A wealth tax is beyond archaic and has been tried many times.
2020-01-16 12:40
I'm not sure about a wealth tax. Rich people and corporations tend to just leave when taxes increase. I'm not an economist so my knowledge is limited
2020-01-16 12:42
They already leave for lower taxes, but a wealth tax will make the problem worse. I'm obviously not an economist either, but I think a VAT is way more reasonable and practical than a wealth tax.
2020-01-16 12:51
you dumbass, VAT hits poor people way harder than the rich. That said, it should still be implemented as well as a wealth tax... And you need to take control of the entirety of your country as a whole instead of letting some states dictate their tax exemptions..................
2020-01-16 12:58
#111
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Germany _PH1L 
This argument is disproven by many economics
2020-01-16 14:01
>act like VAT tax works while applying an actual wealth tax,
2020-01-16 12:48
The wealth tax has been repealed in many countries while a VAT continues to work in many countries. I don't see the comparison.
2020-01-16 12:52
#71
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United States PsychoLogical 
VAT tax > wealth tax. I’ll take a VAT tax anyday.
2020-01-16 13:24
VAT would just increase prices, which dispraporianally affects low income families and so would increase the inequality
2020-01-16 20:17
Every statistical analysis shows the VAT would disproportionately affect the rich. When paired with UBI its a massive net gain in wealth for the lower class.
2020-01-16 20:21
what a bunch of lies. I study Economics, VAT would increase the food prices, poor families may spend 20-30% of their income on food. While a millionare would spend less than 1% on food. It affects poor famillies WAY MORE.
2020-01-16 20:36
Yes and a UBI completely offsets that like I said.
2020-01-16 20:39
UBI is the dumbest shit ever. It would just push up inflation, meaning those $1000 would turn into $800 in a year. The debt will keep increasing, many people will stop working all together or just work part-time, making the economy extremely inefficient. When there's a recession the government will receive a lot less revenue and they couldn't cut the UBI cos people already rely on it, so the debt will just skyrocket. This could lead to a defoult alltogether and everyone will be worse off by a huge margin
2020-01-16 20:47
If the UBI comes from new tax revenue, and not new debts, then it won't cause inflation. Inflation is based on total monetary supply against total economic activity/assets.
2020-01-16 22:29
There's no magic tax that could cover UBI + government already has a massive budget deficit. Inflation is based on Aggregate Demand and Aggregate Supply. If you give everyone $1k/month AD will substantially increase but there is no sudeen increase in Supply, this causes rapid increase in prices as supply can't meet the demand. Quick lesson on inflation for you bud.
2020-01-16 23:03
The fed's been pumping the economy with trillions of dollars for years now through low interest rates. This money is being spent too on things like stock buybacks. Inflation is still 2%. By your logic wouldn't any quantitative easing lead to massive runaway inflation when in reality it doesn't.
2020-01-17 00:23
quantitative easing is a completely different thing and has nothing to do with consumer spending.
2020-01-17 00:29
quantitative easing tends to boost the economy by pumping the market with cheap money. When the market is doing well and is filled with cheap money consumer spending tends to go up. Especially since people are able to secure lines of credit more easily.
2020-01-17 00:33
" When the market is doing well and is filled with cheap money consumer spending tends to go up." Only a few percent of the population hold significant amounts of stock. It doesn't have the same affect as giving EVERYONE $1k to spend.
2020-01-17 00:39
A good stock market translates into a strong job market and low interest rates on loans. All of this puts a lot of money into the hands of the general public.
2020-01-17 05:14
Here's another paradox. Billionaires hide their money when the taxes are low currently. What makes leftists think that they won't hide them when Bernie raises the taxes? Amazing logic again
2020-01-16 12:43
True
2020-01-16 12:44
#112
keev | 
Germany _PH1L 
Cuz he is gonna look for them, to make his goals reality
2020-01-16 14:03
#6
cyx | 
Germany Shadyy89 
np, let Amazon pay taxes for once and free health care will be guaranteed for the next 50years
2020-01-16 12:35
Amazon profits 2018 = 11 billion dollars Medicare for All = Around 3 trillion dollars
2020-01-16 12:37
#12
cyx | 
Germany Shadyy89 
gj taking me serious
2020-01-16 12:40
Revenue is different from profit.
2020-01-16 12:40
#20
cyx | 
Germany Shadyy89 
yea I saw that, my bad, anyways I said 50years so this was not ment serious at all
2020-01-16 12:42
It's cool, it's HLTV so some people may actually mean that stuff. No one can actually tell who's joking and who's not on this site, so I just respond seriously until it's obvious they're joking.
2020-01-16 12:46
#26
cyx | 
Germany Shadyy89 
I can relate to that. have a nice day mate
2020-01-16 12:46
You too man.
2020-01-16 12:52
who told u that, fox news? how canada can have free healthcare and it's around 50% cheaper per person then usa? u put so much money in military yet your veterans can't have decent healthcare. bernie is a person who said same things for 30 years and u still doubt him. u have such a privilege that u can vote this man yet your media make u think it's impossible to change that corrupt system u have now.
2020-01-16 14:04
The first figure is just a fact, Amazon releases earning reports for their shareholders so it's public information. The second figure is an average from multiple studies on the cost of medicare for all. Fox News isn't actual news, it's just entertainment for people in retirement homes. I definitely don't watch it.
2020-01-16 14:10
show me your "fact" for 3 trilion $
2020-01-16 14:17
thehill.com/policy/healthcare/465894-new.. Some estimates are higher some are lower. Please don't say this is a right wing site, it's not, it's pretty left leaning.
2020-01-16 14:19
then how do u explain that all of eu, canada... have free healthcare if they don't have money as your country?
2020-01-16 14:37
I think if you make the healthcare system as efficient as Canada's, then the cost may go down to 2 - 2.5 trillion dollars. That's like 10% GDP, how cheap do you expect it to be? You have to remember America is a very large country.
2020-01-16 14:39
u have 40k people die every year because they don't have health insurance dude, so your system is much worst then canada. youtube.com/watch?v=9w_P9b_2Qvs
2020-01-16 14:49
Where did I say our system was as good as Canada's? I said if it was as good as Canada's the cost can be brought down due to cutting out inefficiencies.
2020-01-16 19:51
i saw that in usa with current healthcare system cost around 11.000 $ per capita, while in canada it's half that. so u can's say that it's because u have more people, the truth is that pharmaceutical and insurance companies pay your politicians to make laws beneficial for them. they just ripping u off bro and they put millions in media to lie to u.
2020-01-16 22:05
Dude I'm literally saying costs can be brought down if it was like Canada's system.
2020-01-16 22:24
Sry bro, didn’t catch that. I never had this long conversation on hltv with someone without insults so i was a little bit confused 🙂
2020-01-16 23:33
I don't blame you for assuming stuff, it is HLTV. Have a nice day dude.
2020-01-17 00:18
u2 bro
2020-01-17 08:45
do you see the taxes in eu lmao 20-40% taxes, no shit y’all get free healthcare. in eu you can live off benefits easily
2020-01-16 19:23
wtf that mean? in usa taxes r around 30% for low income people and middle class, problem r that 1% who don't pay shit in federal taxes like amazon or apple. u could send people to the moon 50 years ago but u can't have healthcare like all other civilised country's.
2020-01-16 21:52
Bernie, the only presidential candidate who supports having breadlines
2020-01-16 20:27
bernie, jewish person who was a carpenter, who fights the rich for the poor, how many more signs u need :D
2020-01-16 22:09
> Jewish LMAO he is "ethnically" Jewish but he's actually an athiest. Don't be intellectually dishonest. > Was a carpenter Yeah most people have had a shitty job as well. > Fights the rich for the poor More like fights society for his personal gain
2020-01-17 02:29
"More like fights society for his personal gain" n1 Trump
2020-01-17 08:47
3 trillion haha nice fake news. Maybe don't let dictate the prizes by companies. In EU the health care decide what prize is okay. If not they can't sell their products. Maybe use ur iq instead of stupid fake news.
2020-01-16 14:31
It's pretty realistic... Right now we pay 20% GDP for our healthcare system, medicare for all is cheaper than that. America is a big country, obviously our overall cost is gonna be astronomically high.
2020-01-16 14:33
Nope. If we take Germans 80 million and take what they pay *4 so we would have the cost for 320 citizens
2020-01-16 14:39
How much do you pay then?
2020-01-16 14:40
de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/7.. 250 billion income 245 billion paid So you come to 1 trillion for USA.
2020-01-16 15:59
Usually in the US each town's largest building is the town hospital, even in a mid sized town it looks like miniature city. That's the kind of money that was going to healthcare before, current cost estimates probably want to maintain all that infrastructure. Tbh realistically I think medicare for all should cost 2 trillion dollars implemented correctly. Realistically I agree with the estimate. It will never cost 1 trillion without redoing the entire healthcare system.
2020-01-16 19:48
Bernie Curse?
2020-01-16 12:37
#13
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Senegal Rinko 
he's an old fart leftard what did you expect, he'll die in 3 years max
2020-01-16 12:39
#15
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Germany Ieftist 
+1
2020-01-16 12:39
Trump in comparison is one year younger yet vastly less healthy.
2020-01-16 13:37
#92
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North America 007DBR9 
just pays tons of money to look younger
2020-01-16 13:41
yup
2020-01-16 13:42
How did you come to the conclusion that Trump is less healthy? Bernie literally looks 30 years older and had a heart attack recently
2020-01-16 14:52
Bernie has also been a long-time long-distance runner. Trump is heavily overweight. Also, Trump too had a heart attack or something very similar, most media just brushed it under the rug very quickly.
2020-01-16 15:57
Yea and bernie is jeff bezos' father and they have 3 trillion dollars net worth, most mediad just brushed it under the rug very quickly though, that's why you didn't hear about it.
2020-01-16 16:02
youtube.com/results?search_query=trump+h.. Sure, he denies it. But his credibility is at around -9000 so I dont believe for a second that he had a serious health issue possibly the heart. You dont get hospitalized for no reason (thats btw not debatable, he definitely got hospitalized, the question is for what)
2020-01-16 16:29
"His credibility is at around -9000 because I don't like him!!!!!!11111111111" Dude please don't act like a 20iq mongoloid, there are tons of stories like this in the media, don't believe rumors until you actually get some evidence and don't spread your biased opinion just because you dislike Trump. I don't like him either but let's not make things up.
2020-01-16 16:32
BRO HE GOT HOSPITALIZED THATS NOT EVEN A RUMOR OR A CONSPIRACY
2020-01-16 17:54
He VISITED the hospital, they didn't RUSH to the hospital as if he was about to die, or as if he had a heart attack, they just drove there. Just look at what you're saying, first you said that Trump had a heart attack, you didn't say that he POSSIBLY had a heart attack, you actually said that he did. Now you fucking act as if he rushed to the hospital cuz he was about to fucking die, just chill the fuck out dude
2020-01-16 17:58
It was a completely sudden "visit" to the hospital about which Trump curiously didnt release much info, in comparison to Sanders who explained clearly what was going on. And the way the white house described it was shifty: "Dr. Jonathan Reiner, former Vice President Dick Cheney's longtime cardiologist, said he remains "very skeptical" of the White House's explanation, particularly because the White House did not disclose what exam Trump underwent beyond having blood drawn. "The President has a physician with him every day and access to 24/7/360 care," said Reiner, who was in touch with the White House on Monday about Trump's visit to Walter Reed. "I have no doubt he was taken to Walter Reed to do something specific and separate from 'a quick exam and some bloodwork.' All that can be done at the White House." Dr. Jennifer Peña, who served as physician to Vice President Mike Pence until May 2018, called the "interim checkup" and "annual physical" characterizations "very" different. "Routine annual is where we do a comprehensive history and physical exam, with any necessary labs and studies," she said, while noting that an "interim checkup" suggests a "follow up" visit for a condition or medication that is being monitored."
2020-01-16 18:49
+1
2020-01-16 19:25
is it ok to become a president at 79? i dont think so
2020-01-16 12:39
#94
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North America 007DBR9 
77? 73? everyone is fucking old
2020-01-16 13:42
billionaires have a finite amount of money HAHA bro everyone has a fkin finite amount of money - difference from a billionaire to an average person is that the money keep rolling in, in hugeeeeeeeee sums........ Just look at Jeff Big Balls Bezos - 1 hour of jeff bezos life = $8,961,187 - you literally think 1% of this guys money aint gonna help pay that shit? YOU FUCKING INBRED HAHAHAHAHA 9 MILLION DOLLARS EARNED EVERY HOUR HAHAHAH BROOO PLSPLSPLSPSLPLSPLSPLS REALIZE U ARE INBRED besides, just taking 1% off of these greedy ass jews isn't enough. avg us worker makes around 45k a year - bezos makes 150 in a minute ) jeff bezos gets 2500$ every second where as the avg us worker gets around 876 per week. It's fine he earned the right to be rich, but there's a major difference between being rich and being a rich hoarder - which is exactly what he is. Like Gates was but isn't anymore.
2020-01-16 12:47
The cost of medicare for all is around 3 trillion dollars a year. Do you see the problem? Of course they need to be taxed more, but their taxes won't pay for all of Bernie's ridiculous proposals. Unless you're a troll, you need to seriously reconsider who's inbred here.
2020-01-16 12:49
Bro you really think bezos is the only one? It's more than fucking possible to get medicare for all, you're truly inbred if you think it's not..... 32 out of 33 of the 1st world countries have medicare for all - you're literally the only country that hasn't.... Your medicine is the most expensive in the entire world as well............. I'll get you a fkin link so you can see how retarded you libtards are. reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/commen.. Please watch and burn inside you filthy murican, you don't know how the world works - you've been fking brainwashed, not just throughout your life, but throughout the entirety of your family tree. by the way, you should go read up on tax brackets... like 80-90% of americans think that you look at your annual income and say okay its -50% and that's what I'll keep... It's not you dumbfuck:D Oh and by the way #2, the numbers you're pulling out of your ass - 3 trillion dollars - that's based upon how your shitty system works now. Your prices are ridiculous, they don't make any fkin sense.......
2020-01-16 12:55
#64
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United States PsychoLogical 
do you even know basic economics you mental ingrate?
2020-01-16 13:18
I do. Btw mental ingrate? Rofl, retarded much buddy? :D mental ungrateful? HAHAAH WhOAAAAAAA this guy knows his mother tongue like a dog knows science.
2020-01-16 13:20
Look here mate, the point of this subject is; Americans think they need to reinvent the wheel when it's rolling around most of the world in a fully functional way. Just look at it, take notice and copy paste. :) It's not hard, but you're making it hard... I guess it's not easy when you're brainwashed throughout the entirety of your blood line. "Land of the Free" You could go bankrupt just by having a baby. avg us worker makes 45k a year and it can cost as much as up to 30k to have your baby delivered in a hospital. Average is around 10k - still like 1/4th of your annual income - that's ridic.
2020-01-16 13:22
The silence is strong with this inbred texaN "-I'm a solid/decent debater so you can try me. And Im far from stupid so be sure to think before blurting out" L.O.L
2020-01-16 13:27
#82
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United States PsychoLogical 
why should I waste my time on a 0 IQ troll? Also Im not Texan you bipolar vegetable.
2020-01-16 13:32
Get rekt buddy, nice try at a comeback :) learn english, the least you could do while living in a god damn english speaking CUNTry
2020-01-16 13:33
#96
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North America 007DBR9 
that guy rofl
2020-01-16 13:44
Socialism works - Look at scandinavian countries
2020-01-16 12:47
32 out of 33 of the leading countries in the world have free medicare - usa is the only one that doesn't.
2020-01-16 12:54
Free... All have to pay for it... But the difference is everyone has one. Dunno why people always say FREE
2020-01-16 14:37
ye thats my bad it aint free medicare :D it's medicare for all*
2020-01-16 15:15
Scandinavian countries don't have actual socialism. And most Scandinavian countries are so small it's easy to manage social safety nets efficiently.
2020-01-16 12:54
Please learn how things scale linearly - you seem to think that medicare scales exponentially - it doesn't....... -.-
2020-01-16 12:56
As companies grow larger, a larger percentage of their workforce becomes management. The same logic mostly applies to social programs as reflected in multiple studies conducted on the cost of medicare for all.
2020-01-16 12:59
So you're saying a company of 10 men and women will have 1 manager, but a company of 100 men and women will have 20 or even 30? Nah man, that's not how it works. You're writing a larger percentage whereas a larger amount is correct. It's like in schools or day cares - there's a maximum amount of children per teacher/pedagogue. Just because the number of children rise doesn't make the % of teachers/pedagogues go up.... It makes the amount go up yes.
2020-01-16 13:02
That's literally how it works, more employees a larger percentage of the workforce are managers. Look up top heavy companies, they're very common in corporate America. You don't think government inefficiency will make that worse?
2020-01-16 13:05
This might be common in the US, but that's also part of the problem - you're so stupid at making a systems that works.... You're still bound by rules made by racist fucks from the 1800th.....
2020-01-16 13:09
I agree, people who made the system are stupid. I've been saying for years management culture is wasteful and stupid, but its ingrained into society. Laws and regulations often require armies of paper pushers and managers for compliance. Look up what Dodd Frank did to Forex in the US if you want just one example. The question is, do you think Bernie, a guy who wants to give everyone who wants it a paper pushing job, will end the wasteful management culture in this country?
2020-01-16 13:12
He might not, but I believe he is your best shot at getting a country that actually works... You can't possibly have seen the reddit video I sent you and think you're living in a country that has your back? 2500$ for an ambulance to come pick u up - You only need an ambulance in life or death situations - if you really have to pay for an ambulance, it should be the cost of gas tops......... Lets say buying an ambulance costs like 30K (that's actually very expensive - so I set the bar higher than it should) 10 rides and they've made 25k. 100 rides and they've made 250k$ - How is this acceptable?
2020-01-16 13:17
Bernie is a good guy and he'd be an improvement over Trump easily, but he doesn't seem to have a grasp of economics. Most of Bernie's ideas cost trillions of dollars each, taxing billionaires may pay for one of them at best. The current healthcare system is completely gross and exploits people in their time of need. It definitely needs to be fixed. I'm personally a Yang supporter, but Bernie is probably my second choice even though I don't agree with him on everything. I think Andrew is way more practical on how he's gonna secure funding for his ideas.
2020-01-16 13:22
Andrew Yang is also a possibility - I just personally believe he's too young. Bernie has been staying true to his beliefs since he was a young lad... That's the kinda guy you need - if you think bernie is the one doing the math, you're sorely mistaken. He's got pro's to do that. Seriously just look at the rest of the world and learn from them instead of being stubborn thinking you need to reinvent everything - it exists and it works. Just use it.
2020-01-16 13:25
The thing is a lot of Bernie's ideas are bizarre. The wealth tax has basically worked nowhere it was implemented, but he still supports it. And The Federal Jobs Guarantee is clearly a very bizarre policy. Andrew Yang has even more unique policies, but at least he can explain the funding behind them for the most part.
2020-01-16 13:32
#97
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North America 007DBR9 
*Democratic Socialism
2020-01-16 13:44
expected from low iq american to not understand Bernies's program
2020-01-16 12:56
Lmao please explain them to me. Oh wait you can't because they make no sense, you just don't realize it because you have low IQ.
2020-01-16 13:01
I can't explain it to you, since you have low IQ. You would not understand. It's like trying to explain it to a rock. Impossible.
2020-01-16 13:03
I can't explain why they wouldn't work because you have low IQ and no grasp on basic economics.
2020-01-16 13:06
"no, u". Expected. Not enough IQ to come up with something original.
2020-01-16 13:08
I usually just reciprocate insults because I'm a civilized person, unlike you who doesn't have enough IQ points to stay calm and civil.
2020-01-16 13:16
Expected from a low IQ individual to believe that reciprocating insults makes you "civilized". Insult is an insult. "He first started it" logic is only fit for kindergarteners and low IQ individuals such as yourself.
2020-01-16 13:28
Only someone with low IQ would think insulting someone you disagree on the internet is a sign of high IQ. Just accept you have low IQ.
2020-01-16 13:33
It's nice that you finally admit that you have low IQ.
2020-01-16 13:35
#98
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North America 007DBR9 
That conversation gave me so much cancer
2020-01-16 13:45
I didn't admit anything, you'd notice that if you didn't have low IQ.
2020-01-16 14:12
It literally works all over the 1st world - what makes the US dollar go that much shorter than ANY OTHER FUCKING CURRENCY????????? BECAUSE YOU BASE YOUR FUCKING MATH ON THE CURRENT SITUATION OF YOUR GARBAGE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM
2020-01-16 13:04
Most countries also have higher taxes on the middle class. Currently in the US we pay 20% of GDP on healthcare, so I wouldn't be opposed to raising taxes on the middle class by 10%, then taxing the rich and closing loopholes for the difference. The rest of the money can be made up for by closing inefficiencies in the healthcare system. But, pretending taxing the rich will pay for everything is ridiculous.
2020-01-16 13:08
It wont, everyone should know that..... The rich alone won't pay for everything.......... Healthcare for all is literally by all. Everyone puts in work. -___________- But the ones making the most are gonna chip in more - that's just how it should be..........
2020-01-16 13:10
It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp...... It works in 32 out of 33 countries from the first world - this alone should tell you how fked you guys are. Some of the 32 countries aren't even the 1st world but 2nd..... Bro serbia is even raping you in human rights. "Country of the free" HAH give me a break......... 10-30k $ for having a baby? :DDD 40$ if you want to have skin on skin contact with the baby YOU OR YOUR WIFE HAS BEEN CARRYING INSIDE OF HER AND MADE ENTIRELY ON HER OWN????????? 40$?????????? FOR SOMETHING THAT IS LITERALLY YOUR RIGHT.
2020-01-16 13:12
Dude I literally said I agree with closing inefficiencies in the healthcare system and I agree with medicare for all as long as its funding is actually secured properly. I have no idea what you're screaming at me about. I'm very aware healthcare in the US is dogshit.
2020-01-16 13:15
I'm screaming at you because you're arguing like a true murican. You don't have to invent shit, the wheel is already invented ................ Just look at it and take notice of how it's build and copy it............................................. You're so smug and stubborn in the US "Oh ma gawd, we are the greatest country in the world, we are the strongest and coolest - we will make our own system" Nah bruh, it works over the entire globe and ya'll just too stupid to copy paste.
2020-01-16 13:18
So, I've noticed that pretty much every American seems to think that they need to make money appear out of nowhere in order to cover the gaps in your rather poor societal system. The money is already in the system, it's just all going to the military. Maybe if you didn't spend over 60% of your GDP on shit you don't need then you'd easily be able to afford better healthcare and schooling for the entire country.
2020-01-17 07:25
Reducing military spending isn't gonna pay for everything, the budget is large but not that large.
2020-01-17 09:28
Put 2 and 2 together and reduce the military budget along with proper taxation and you've got PLENTY of funds. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
2020-01-17 17:02
#47
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
my mans free healthcare works even in shitty countries like serbia
2020-01-16 13:07
#49
2020-01-16 13:09
#74
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
tbh i agree
2020-01-16 13:26
sanders >>>>>>>>>> warren & biden & buttigieg combined
2020-01-16 13:11
#59
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
yang >>> sanders
2020-01-16 13:15
+1
2020-01-16 13:16
#63
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United States PsychoLogical 
+1
2020-01-16 13:17
meh yang is also kind of a liar. He pretends he is for medicare for all without making the distinction that he wants something less drastic than sanders. He simply shouldnt call it something when everyone understands medicare for all to be more defined by sanders than anyone else.
2020-01-16 13:39
#107
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
i don't see him as a liar. the real liar in the race is warren true tho, his healthcare policy is his only weak point and its not even that weak
2020-01-16 13:52
Warren used to be Republican. She'll just say anything that'll get her elected. lol.
2020-01-16 14:27
#129
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
pocahontas caught red-handed once again
2020-01-16 14:28
lmao
2020-01-16 14:29
Medicare for all is so expensive. I don't see a problem with just modifying the current system to be more efficient and work for more Americans.
2020-01-16 14:26
You seem to be reasonable, so I will ask you this. The fire department already works like in any normal functioning country. You call them, they extinguish, you dont have to pay for them. Why is that so difficult to do for healthcare?
2020-01-16 15:59
"The fire department already works like in any normal functioning country" governing.com/topics/public-justice-safe.. I know its just an example, but I think you're assuming too much of modern American society. lol. As for medicare for all, our current healthcare infrastructure is so inefficient, even with medicare for all we'd be paying 3x as much per capita as comparable European countries. We need a complete overhaul of the healthcare system before anything like medicare for all is even considered.
2020-01-16 20:04
#207
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United States burgerboy 
volunteer numbers are going down because we genuinely dont have time to volunteer when we are either working one full time job with a 2nd job and in school at the same time.
2020-01-16 20:14
It's because no one gives a fuck anymore. Why would anyone volunteer in a country that treats you like a customer instead of a citizen at every turn?
2020-01-16 20:20
#99
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North America 007DBR9 
Yang is zionist scum, some of the best economic policy's though
2020-01-16 13:47
#103
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
Jews are cool tho
2020-01-16 13:51
#104
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North America 007DBR9 
Sure, but Israel, lol no
2020-01-16 13:52
#108
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
true netanyahu ruins israel
2020-01-16 13:54
I'm sure you'd love Sanders (flag). He loves your idol stalin!
2020-01-16 20:33
Nah, nah. Trotskism is not stalinism. Trotskism is a worldwide communist revolution while stalinism is building communism within one country. Corbyn is an unambiguous stalinist. Bernie is just a fluffy soc-dem
2020-01-16 20:56
I was referring to his open support for the USSR.
2020-01-16 22:02
Don't worry men, 4 trillion dollars more of government spending each year won't hurt anybody 😎😎
2020-01-16 13:11
#57
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United States PsychoLogical 
his garbage policies along with his atrocious ingrate supporters are why im #NeverBernie. His M4A, FJG, Free college, free housing for all, climate plan. ALL GARBAGE. And they’ll all never pass anyway. And get Amazon and other companies to pay taxes? Tell me how then cause I have the most simple solution: Pass a fucking VAT Tax. Not that hard. Regressive? Wah wah boo boo, how hypocritical.
2020-01-16 13:19
A lot of his supporters are extremely obnoxious, but Bernie himself is a very good person. He's probably gonna be my second choice after Yang. At the end of the day no one's policies actually make any sense except Yang's, but at least Bernie is an honest person. I'm not gonna judge him based on his supporters.
2020-01-16 13:27
VAT hits harder on the poor than the rich :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Should still be implemented - but shouldn't be the only thing implemented... Btw it's mindblowing you don't have VAT - you're living in a 3rd world country bruh
2020-01-16 13:32
#83
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United States PsychoLogical 
you can blame Retarded Reagan.
2020-01-16 13:33
His ideas work pretty okay in Denmark I guess
2020-01-16 13:21
Lmao Danes love Bernie because he complimented your country. No one doubts Bernie is a nice person, his policies just aren't practical. I'm pretty sure Denmark doesn't have a Federal Jobs Guarantee...
2020-01-16 13:24
I some sense we do. We call it "aktivering", its mainly made for homeless people, but its really just a job guarenteed to get if you dont find another one. Bernie is still kinda far right for us (compared to other politicians)
2020-01-16 13:27
Just give them money what's the point of giving them a government job? If they had a guaranteed monthly stipend, they could use that money to better their lives and find a decent job,
2020-01-16 13:36
#100
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North America 007DBR9 
give them money, they buy drugs, give them a job, they add something to the economy
2020-01-16 13:49
If they're drug addicts, many of them can't even function in a normal day job anyway. They need some kind of rehab at that point.
2020-01-16 14:25
"Aktivering" means to activate. It's not your normal type of job, it's meant for people who aren't really ready or suit to a normal job, but to get them out there and get some experience, maybe network a bit, so they will get ready to get a normal job. I guess it's also, so you don't just hang around at home without doing shit and receive money from the government.
2020-01-16 13:56
That actually sounds pretty decent, but considering America has a larger problem with poverty than unemployment I still think the best route for us is a UBI or something similar.
2020-01-16 14:16
The goverment wants them to work for the money
2020-01-16 15:05
IF bernie wins, he's not gonna be able to implement half of what he wants - he would be overtaking POTUS from Trump that's been steadily corrupting the entire system with judges etc etc - he'd be outnumbered by his opponents daily. :]
2020-01-16 13:30
He's not gonna be able to enact anything considering the Republicans control the Senate, assuming it stays that way he can't get anything done.
2020-01-16 14:12
Exactly. Trump has fked ur country up harder than anyone could have ever imagined. It's gonna take decades to undo tbh.
2020-01-16 15:16
But Bernie's gonna make everything FREE dude. Don't you want FREE stuff
2020-01-16 13:30
Vote Bernie and get a all inclusive FREE trip to gulag
2020-01-16 15:11
#176
SANJI | 
Luxembourg kng_rdl 
works in actual first world countries. but yea keep working for 10$/hour while not being able to pay for your medicine.
2020-01-16 19:23
We all can't live in Luxembourg and make 6 figures men :(
2020-01-16 20:06
Six figures and great healthcare, actually. You should learn a little more about America before opining--most of the jobs here already offer healthcare better than what Warren / Sanders are claiming they can 'provide'. That's why they have limited support even within their own party.
2020-01-16 21:10
#289
SANJI | 
Luxembourg kng_rdl 
"most of the jobs here " so youre saying more than 50% of the jobs in the US offer great healthcare?
2020-01-17 00:54
Of course. If you compare the healthcare working people get to Medicaid (Medicaid expansion is essentially what Sanders / Warrens plans are), the existing healthcare plans of most working Americans are already better. That's why most full-time employees don't want to give up their healthcare plans. That's why the other candidates keep attacking "Medicare for all". Most of the middle class doesn't want it. We saw what happened to our healthcare premiums and deductibles after the ACA-mandated Medicaid expansion. You'd understand this if you ever worked here or earnestly talked to anyone who works here.
2020-01-17 14:08
#314
SANJI | 
Luxembourg kng_rdl 
does your healthcare cover all your medicine, ambulances, treatments etc and how much do you pay for it?
2020-01-17 14:23
mine does (with a trivial copay for certain items). There's information all over the internet about each health care providers plans and their respective coverage (there are many, many different insurance carriers in the states with multiple plans offered by each). If you'd like to know more you can do some research around the Blue Cross Blue Shield, Anthem, Aetna, etc. websites
2020-01-17 15:38
Yes, socialism in america please dollar is too strong right now, we need something to break america and lower dollar value socialism is great for that go bernie!
2020-01-16 13:38
#102
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North America 007DBR9 
Dollar being a good currency lmfao, even a county with 60M people alone has a better currency xaxxaxaxaxaxaxa
2020-01-16 13:50
people believed trumps wall would work, soooo whats ur point, people are stupid? i agree
2020-01-16 13:39
Sooo are you gonna ask how the US pays for massive tax breaks and cuts for the richest people and corporations as well as for random wars in the middle east? Coz that shit costs a whole fucking lot. Progressive tax + VAT doesnt handle it, no?
2020-01-16 13:41
Those wars basically bankrupted us, Bernie's policies cost even more...
2020-01-16 14:23
Yeah, the difference is, that money is lost forever, sanders policies have an actual great effect.
2020-01-16 15:59
The thing is we can't afford to spend another 20 trillion dollars.
2020-01-16 20:00
can afford to spend 700 trillion dollars on the military, more than the 6 most spending nation in total tho
2020-01-16 20:50
excellent point
2020-01-16 21:08
700 trillion? That's more than all the assets on planet earth.
2020-01-16 22:27
Medicare for all will never be a thing no matter who will win the presidency in 2020 U think all those big pharma companies will let it slide and lose billions and let their companies fall ? Ma dude those guys spent 4 billion dollars on lobbying Any bill thay has anything to do with free medicare or is associated with it or against the pharma companies will never pass I like how every candidate promises these kind of things and people fall for it Amazon doesent even waste close to a billion dollars on lobbying and look at it They pay 0% taxes. The problem is in the system that allowed lobbying to be a thing in the first place In other countries with atleast 1 iq thats called bribes aka undertable payements aka corruption
2020-01-16 13:50
We need to get money out of politics. If a candidate ran and their sole goal was to get money out of politics and nothing else, I'd honestly consider voting for them.
2020-01-16 14:24
well u can never get money out of politics not in a milion year your political system is broken along side with every system you got my friend if i was you i'd legit leave usa and immigrate to canada or something
2020-01-16 19:15
I'm in STEM which pays better in the US, and my employer provides my health insurance too. If I was in another field, then yeah I'd consider moving if I could find a job in Canada.
2020-01-16 19:59
It can get passed, all he needs is a Democratic super majority in Congress. Then he has to threaten any Senator/Representative, that he will primary them if they don't pass his bill. It will surely be a watered down version of what he envisions, but it can be done. Obama could've actually made it happen, but he was in bed with insurance companies.
2020-01-16 19:31
He looks like a crossover between mad scientist and a dry raisin
2020-01-16 13:52
Disgusting communist cuck, Trotsky Jr.
2020-01-16 14:17
yes
2020-01-16 15:10
#128
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Netherlands poeya 
vote Biden or sanders, I dont care americans but pls no stupid and vote again trump XD anything is better
2020-01-16 14:28
I'm not a Trump supporter, but Trump is probably gonna win in 2020. I'm just gonna be real with you.
2020-01-16 14:31
#134
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Netherlands poeya 
yeah only because Americans alot dont go vote and then cry like baby when trump become president. such stupidness
2020-01-16 14:32
Trump lost the popular vote, he won off of the electoral college. People did vote, he still won though.
2020-01-16 14:34
#137
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Netherlands poeya 
almost like 40% of people who can vote didnt vote
2020-01-16 14:35
America's been run by lobbyists for so long people don't care anymore. No matter who's elected it's basically the same deal. A lot of people are fine with Trump because at least the economy is doing good and they can pay their bills. They don't care about his bizarre behavior as long as their rent is paid. Of course this economy is a massive bubble, but most people don't realize that.
2020-01-16 14:37
#141
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Netherlands poeya 
yes alot of people are ok with him being president, but my point is almost half is also not happy about it
2020-01-16 14:39
The thing is the half that do support him live in states where their votes actually matter, so he got elected and probably will again.
2020-01-16 14:40
Biden lmao The guy should be in a hospital, not the Oval Office.
2020-01-16 19:28
joe biden is literally a target rn to be investigated, what are you on. he is terrible and will never win 2020
2020-01-16 19:29
Japan has some kind of job guarantee. So it works.
2020-01-16 14:29
#157
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Lithuania YankeeM 
Not american but I hope Andrew Yang wins. and then Shapiro in 2024
2020-01-16 16:00
Sorry man, Yang needs 8 full years.
2020-01-16 20:32
#318
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Lithuania YankeeM 
Can you explain?
2020-01-18 11:34
Yang has so many policies, it'll definitely take all 8 years to deliver on all/most of them. I like Ben Shapiro, but he's definitely said some dumb things in the past, so not so sure about him. twitter.com/benshapiro/status/3008909069..
2020-01-18 12:59
#326
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Lithuania YankeeM 
Yeah + he's very religious and conservative so no votes from half of us
2020-01-20 16:20
its pretty sad that he is the best candidate DNC can produce lol
2020-01-16 16:05
Even something as subtle as changing the order of caucuses would help the party, at least in federal elections, a ton. They (collective) aren't even being subtle about their rail-roading of candidates this cycle. I still think though the party is dead/dying, and they either fail to recognize it or are ignoring the symptoms; fallout of the '68 convention still haunts them to this day.
2020-01-16 16:24
I think they pretty much gave up on this cycle and just hope for some magical upset IMO multiple scenarios are possible for their future 1. Slow death 2. Managing to flip TX and on some level being uncontested (which could happen thanks to CA exodus and immigration) 3. Flipping TX, fucking up and making their voters shift right which will send them back to certain slow death 4. Improve/Shift stances and stop pandering to fringe groups (wouldn't hold my breath)
2020-01-16 17:39
Lmao I'm not even a liberal clearly as you can see from this thread, but the Republican party is finished. Texas will definitely flip eventually at this rate and the only reason Trump won was because he won 3 Democrat states. As long as the DNC nominates someone who's somewhat universally well liked, it's almost impossible for them to lose now. Then, once Texas flips it'll be impossible for the Republican party to ever win a presidency unless the DNC screws up.
2020-01-16 20:29
yeah pretty much what I was trying to say in 2. and 3. if dems in TX dont go unhinged like in VA and keep it moderate democrat then they are set but you never know, anything can happen
2020-01-16 22:02
They better nominate him or expect a massacre by Trump.
2020-01-16 19:35
Yang is way better.
2020-01-16 19:40
idk about way better but at least yang doesn't associate with AOC
2020-01-16 22:46
AOC was a bartender that managed to get elected to one of the most important districts in America. I don't agree with her, but I can respect the hustle.
2020-01-16 22:49
well they are redrawing her district so maybe she will have to go back to that
2020-01-16 23:05
Same can be said for the GOP lol. The candidates were all so bad that Trump got the nomination lmao.
2020-01-16 20:52
its better to have one good candidate and rest shit than all shit
2020-01-16 22:43
Trump wasn't a good candidate, that's my point. He's a sleazy businessman that was on a scripted reality TV show. Anyone with a brain can see he's a total fraud yet he got the nomination.
2020-01-17 00:20
I was gonna argue that were better options than Trump, but then I remembered Jeb Bush speaking Spanish instead of addressing the job loss and drug epidemic in the Midwest. And then I remember there really weren't.
2020-01-19 06:10
Other countries finance all that without any issue.
2020-01-16 16:12
#168
allu | 
Sweden Draden 
Yeah... like VENEZUELA!!!!!!
2020-01-16 17:57
Venezuela don't finance it as far as I know.
2020-01-16 18:00
Everything in the US is a business, just paying for things outright will just bankrupt us. The entire medical system needs massive restructuring before we make it free, 3 trillion dollars a year is not feasible.
2020-01-19 06:11
Relevant to Bernie , from the last 2 days youtube.com/watch?v=BsUAvh_PCWA&t=2s youtube.com/watch?v=P3PWDNkLliE This should wave red flags for any normal person .
2020-01-16 16:27
#174
SANJI | 
Luxembourg kng_rdl 
tl:dw?
2020-01-16 19:19
basically if bernie wins they are gonna kill people who oppose him if he loses otherwise, they are gonna burn cities
2020-01-16 19:26
#196
SANJI | 
Luxembourg kng_rdl 
lul and there are people that believe that xdd
2020-01-16 19:58
Watch it, it's really funny.
2020-01-16 20:45
hltv "debate" always be like: - ROFL YOU LOW IQ LOL - LMFAO NO U LOW IQ LMAO - HAHAAHAHA NONONO IMAGINE BEING SO LOW IQ LMAOOOO
2020-01-16 18:25
poor left wingers who live off government benefits, that’s it
2020-01-16 19:20
i like california's plan of taxing by discrepancy between ceo pay and avg worker pay. Like go ahead a reap that 300x yearly pay, you will just contribute to our education and roads and services more instead. I just dont understand why people with money are given all the discounts and advantages. if you just charged the jack asses you wouldnt be beholden to their every whims.
2020-01-16 19:23
that is a horrible system. you’re saying you should be punished more for making more? that system only works for the poor who don’t earn much in the first place. people should be able to do what they want, not have to pay 20-40% tax from their incomes. california’s 12% tax is already the highest in the states btw the us is capitalist for a reason
2020-01-16 19:33
It's not a punishment? They are still making more? They have more unnecessary money, they can afford it, because all they earn isn't going towards food and drink, rent and mere survival. Also, it's punishing people for not paying workers the appropriate amount and it pressures employers into paying employees fair amounts relative to the profits they provide
2020-01-16 21:14
that’s literally communism. the u.s is a capitalist nation, not russia. unless the rich is getting benefits like political power i don’t ever see them giving up low taxes. it just won’t happen
2020-01-17 01:51
That is quite literally not communism, I think you are listening to too much Ben Shapiro. Communism is entirely different to fair tax rates, and not abusing your employees labour, which is just typical left wing policies and similar to social democracy (which is capitalism). As for whether it will happen or not that’s another matter swing how corrupt and undemocratic the states are- money is everything. That’s out of control capitalism with no focus on humans and that’s gotta stop
2020-01-17 08:21
None of his policies will pass the way he wants it anyways. This is just how Congress works, and it's the same with any other Administration. Every bill will get watered down and then passed.
2020-01-16 19:26
#188
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Brazil JMB_17 
Socialists being dumb? Expected!
2020-01-16 19:34
i hope bernie wins so that you retards will see
2020-01-16 19:45
Andrew Yang is literally a more modern version of Bernie. Why would I vote for Bernie when Yang is running?
2020-01-16 20:30
+1
2020-01-16 20:47
Bernie: "in some countries [in reference to USSR breadlines] people get to stand in line to get food. In the USA only the rich get the food!" What a moron LMFAO "food lines are good" word for word something he said while arguing bread lines were a positive thing
2020-01-16 20:24
Have you seen the video of one of his campaign workers talking about how if Bernie doesn't win they are going to burn down cities and start a war? It's pretty funny. Imagine a leftist in the US thinking they can win a revolution by setting cities on fire and executing people. He spoke about how once they take over they will put people in reeducation camps, and kill those who resist.
2020-01-16 20:43
Good thing the MSM is fucking him. We dont need a commie president.
2020-01-16 20:47
UBI, #yanggang
2020-01-16 21:11
So.... tax them 2% then ))))
2020-01-16 21:11
#235
ZywOo | 
Portugal dipz0r 
Don't know all of Bernie's policies. Some are not great like green energy and maybe Federal Jobs Guarantee whatever that is. But Medicare for all, tax the riches, tax the multinationals, tax wall street, cancel student debt and other "socialist" ideas are awesome. We have those in Europe and works great. Why do americans think those are radical ideas?
2020-01-16 21:19
#236
ZywOo | 
Portugal dipz0r 
Stop regime changes and bring troops home are also awesome ideas.
2020-01-16 21:20
#246
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United States WumboCumbo 
Yeah just write off the 1.5 trillion dollar debt just by taxing the riches as well as create a medicare for all plan for everyone that will be costing well over 3 trillion dollars with our population these policies aren't going to work and once they realize they don't have enough money for these "plans" the taxes will roll down hill from the uppler class to the middle class etc aswell as kick me off my private health care plan and lay off a large number of doctor's who studied for years to be making what they make today I'm just not about any of these policies that make no sense economically and will just further our debt which is something that i'm not very happy about Trump not caring about atm. but he beats any of these dems by a long shot lmao atleast my 401k is doing great.
2020-01-16 22:21
#249
ZywOo | 
Portugal dipz0r 
you guys pay way more for health care right now than you would pay with medicare for all. if poor countries can afford it, you saying US can't? that's nonsense.
2020-01-16 22:26
#264
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United States WumboCumbo 
No I don't I paid more for Obama care over my private insurance plan I don't want to pay taxes for some crackheads on the street to get free Medicare and welfare go get a job
2020-01-16 22:43
#243
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Israel BingoBango 
braindead, like all democrats
2020-01-16 22:10
How are Democrats gonna fix the economy? Trump did that and created a shit ton of jobs.
2020-01-16 22:13
#247
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United States WumboCumbo 
taxes taxes and more taxes !!! :D
2020-01-16 22:21
The Trump economy is based on possibly the largest economic bubble since the 1920s. Most stock gains are based on stock buybacks due to years of low interest rates.
2020-01-16 22:34
What???
2020-01-16 22:38
What part of that doesn't make sense? The first sentence is an opinion, but the second is a well documented fact.
2020-01-16 22:38
NA brain
2020-01-17 07:29
NA brain > SA brain
2020-01-17 09:29
#253
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United States YANGGANG2020 
even if bernie is the frontrunner dnc will fuck him over again in favor of biden, warren or buttigieg. no matter what happens they'll put in their corporate shill puppet to run this god forsaken country
2020-01-16 22:34
We can only hope Yang can pull off a miracle. But, if they do that to Bernie again then he should just run as a third party. They can't keep screwing outsiders over with no consequences, even if it means a Trump victory this time it's good for the Democratic Party in the long run.
2020-01-16 22:37
#257
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United States YANGGANG2020 
3rd party has no chance, all bernie would do is ensure the democrats never win an election until he stops running by running third party. and as much as i wish yang could win his chances are probably near zero, i just hope he runs again in 2024/28, since he's only 45 he still has a lot in him
2020-01-16 22:39
Yup that's exactly what I want. If a frontrunner who's an outsider gets screwed over, he should run third party and then the Democrats lose. It'll teach them to treat outsiders more fairly.
2020-01-16 22:40
#260
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United States YANGGANG2020 
theyll never learn cuz tom perez is a cuck
2020-01-16 22:40
I mean, if a frontrunner decides to run third party if he's screwed over, then the Democrats essentially automatically lose. They'll change real quick if they automatically lose elections by screwing over the frontrunner.
2020-01-16 22:42
#262
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United States YANGGANG2020 
one can hope
2020-01-16 22:42
if theres one thing that gets on my nerves it is people defending billionaires ffs
2020-01-16 22:49
Not defending anyone, I even say in the thread I think the wealthy should be taxed more. It's just that taxing the rich won't pay for all of Bernie's plans.
2020-01-16 22:50
Bernie is a buffon and idiot who has no clue on what he talks about. But Americans are so desperate right now so they might vote for him. Sad that someone like Andrew Yang does not have a chance.
2020-01-16 22:54
am I allowed to bet that Yang does have a chance?
2020-01-17 00:21
#292
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United States WumboCumbo 
he doesn't lol
2020-01-17 02:29
No way in hell does he have a chance bro and thats a sad reality. Him and tulsi should be leading in the polls but instead they are at the bottom.
2020-01-17 04:26
Yang's definitely doing better than Tusli though and if Tulsi drops out all her supporters will probably go to Yang.
2020-01-17 05:18
That wont help. Both polling low.
2020-01-17 11:02
Yang's over 3.5%, and Tulsi is like 1.5%, so together they're over 5%. That's not too bad.
2020-01-17 22:41
#280
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Canada ProvexPyker 
I thought you are part of the Zoomer gang 😎🍷 #VoteForBernie #GiveTheZoomersFreeTuition
2020-01-17 00:23
Nah Yang Gang man. Yang is basically modern Bernie, I don't really see the point of voting for Bernie unless Yang drops out.
2020-01-17 00:30
#286
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Canada ProvexPyker 
True tbh, plus Yang has done surprisingly well for coming out of nowhere. I like him
2020-01-17 00:36
I like Bernie too though, he's an honest guy.
2020-01-17 05:13
None of them has a chance against Trump, i'm a Trump supporter but i like Yang, but he's too young and not that popular yet to pull this off. Maybe in the future.
2020-01-17 00:43
#293
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United States WumboCumbo 
true
2020-01-17 02:29
Yang has the highest favorability among Trump supporters compared to every other Democrat running. I think he has a real chance if he gets nominated, but the chance of him getting nominated are slim to none.
2020-01-17 05:17
Lots of braindead people in the US, makes sense.
2020-01-17 01:51
#295
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Australia xSanctum 
He literally just wants what every other developed nation has. Not that hard. Read into the economics.
2020-01-17 02:36
Everything in the US is a for profit business. The healthcare system needs massive restructuring to be free, under our current system medicare for all would cost 3 trillion dollars.
2020-01-19 06:15
The costs are also finite
2020-01-17 05:18
I don't necessarily agree with Bernie but from the sounds of it he's trying to copy FDR's new deal that gave jobs to many millions of people. Now of course that was during a completely different time, but it is somewhat replicable in modern society.
2020-01-19 06:15
I read into his proposal a bit more, and it makes a bit more sense than my initial impression of it. Seemingly he mainly wants to use the FJG to rebuild the country's infrastructure among other things. The problem is construction workers are already in high demand so anyone who's strong enough can already go into construction if they wanted to and get a job. I'm not saying millennials are lazy, but trying to get liberal millennials into manual labor will look a bit like this: youtube.com/watch?v=6LbJEcS4GyM
2020-01-19 06:21
Fair enough. Again like I said it's a different time. People were poor and in need of whatever they could get in the 30s hard manual or not.
2020-01-19 07:15
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