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Say 2 countries and I will say which is better at all time CSGO
United States gambittop1 
Say 2 countries and I will say which one is better in CSGO history and why. no bias 100%
2020-01-17 01:59
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finland russia
2020-01-17 01:59
Russia for sure. On a player level; Finland has had 3 top 20 players, sergej, allu, and sunny, and all of them were not top 10, just top 20 Russia has had dosia who was number 4, electronic who has been number 4 and whatever he was this year, and flamie as well. I may even be forgetting someone obvious. On a team level: Finland has had allu and sunny who were 1/5 of very solid teams that were both top 3 at some point, and ence which made a major final Russia has been most of navi, with seized, flamie, and electronic, as well as dosia who won a major with gambit. also astana dragons was 2 russians if i remember correctly. Russia has also had countless tier 2-3 teams, which finland really has not. Russia has had members of flipside, syman, dreameaters, spirit, hellraisers, pro100, etc. What do you think?
2020-01-17 02:06
DONT FORGET JAME
2020-01-17 03:00
zeus is from ukraine edit: why you edit?
2020-01-17 03:04
Why did you edit?
2020-01-17 03:26
because he edited
2020-01-17 04:38
#190
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Bulgaria Ramky 
Why did he edit? EDIT: Why did you edit after this guy edited?
2020-01-17 16:17
edit edit edit edit reddit
2020-01-17 16:21
#139
Jamppi | 
Finland R3ALMM 
Right now Finland cs much better. But in history Russia. /close
2020-01-17 08:27
#169
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Czech Republic VetriX_ 
NaVi > Ence
2020-01-17 10:44
#173
Jamppi | 
Finland R3ALMM 
Not in 50 years lmao
2020-01-17 11:10
??? rn NaVi > ENCE for sure lol maybe early 2019 ENCE > NaVi but that's also debatable
2020-01-17 18:41
#273
Jamppi | 
Finland R3ALMM 
Navi is broken rn. S1mple toxic and talking down teammates. Guardian gone. Ence is getting slowly better from the shithole that was kicking aleksib
2020-01-17 21:28
didn't see anything wrong up until "Ence is getting slowly better" no they are not wtf??? lol
2020-01-17 22:07
#150
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Finland Danuzz 
the finnish scene has gone much bigger ever since ence got into the major
2020-01-17 08:54
#2
Japan (o) 
israel palestine
2020-01-17 02:00
israel: 5 players make it to minor. palestine: ????
2020-01-17 02:10
#15
Japan (o) 
m0e is originally from Palestine
2020-01-17 02:11
2020-01-17 02:12
lol
2020-01-17 02:17
israel because palestine isnt a country. its an observer state
2020-01-17 02:14
#127
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Germany leftist 
israel = fashist terrorist state
2020-01-17 07:04
#131
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Sweden DeeColon 
+1
2020-01-17 07:31
#220
God | 
Russia amc20 
+1
2020-01-17 18:36
#276
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Lebanon WhySoSer!ous 
+1
2020-01-17 23:20
West Bank is in Israel
2020-01-17 02:16
#33
Japan (o) 
Gaza is in israel
2020-01-17 02:22
#68
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Israel zainshelsus 
Also known as Judea and Samaria or as the original Jewish name is Yehudah and Shomron. Even the Muslims call it Judea whilst still claiming it doesn't belong to the Jews when its clearly in the name...
2020-01-17 03:26
#3
MeDveDeV | 
Brazil ricca 
usa iran
2020-01-17 02:00
USA takes the cake. USA won a major and eleague season 2 and many other things. Iran has had no impact on csgo
2020-01-17 02:07
only 2 usa players won eleague season 2 i think
2020-01-17 02:10
oh u got me! that makes this much closer
2020-01-17 02:50
#57
Aleksib | 
United Kingdom VeXpk 
xD
2020-01-17 02:53
respect iran
2020-01-17 04:39
yxxx
2020-01-17 02:16
#4
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Brazil pedro_verd 
Portugal Spain
2020-01-17 02:00
Very interesting one! Lets look at players first: Mixwell is biggest name from spain since he won tier 1 event with optic and they were 2nd at ecs season ? to astralis. lowel was on mousesports and was a solid player. Portugal has really just had fox on a top 15 team ever. i dont think they ever won anything, though they 16-0ed virtus pro! On a team level: Spain has just had tier 3-4 teams like movistar and some others i cant remember the names of with guys like kairi and alex. Portugal has had giants and some other tier 3-4 teams. Neither country has really had relevant teams, though spain has had more impact from their players, so i think spain.
2020-01-17 02:10
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Brazil pedro_verd 
Also Fox was complete for SK in a major, and they've got into the playoffs.
2020-01-17 02:29
Very true! but mixwell won a tier 1 event so i still think spain
2020-01-17 02:34
#119
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Brazil Eneas56 
He also reached 1/4 or semis with G2
2020-01-17 06:33
#5
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Russia Slavaa 
Denmark and Denmark
2020-01-17 02:02
#25
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Bulgaria goshyy 
Ohhh tricky one, I think "and" wins this one!
2020-01-17 02:17
#8
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Italy spazioesterno 
brazil sweden
2020-01-17 02:09
is this a joke? xD
2020-01-17 02:10
Definitely sweden. I cant write out everything of both these countries but brazil wasnt very relevant until 2016... sweden has 4 majors between fnatic and nip and countless tier 2-3 teams. brazil has had 10-15 elite players. sweden has had more like 30-35. Both have had huge impacts on csgo obviously!
2020-01-17 02:12
wut, i rememba tentpole angry breaking his headphone at that dreamhack whatafak
2020-01-17 04:57
Brazil won majors in CS 1.6, against Sweden (ESWC 2006 mibr vs. fnatic)
2020-01-17 08:16
#145
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United States syrup_god 
"all time csgo"
2020-01-17 08:44
sweden 1.6 > brazil 1.6
2020-01-17 09:25
#288
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Finland veganisti 
sweden > brooslul
2020-01-18 20:33
csgo only man. sorry
2020-01-17 16:08
Sweden 1.6 is still better?
2020-01-17 16:50
the gap between sweden and brazil is even bigger in 1.6 tho (._.")
2020-01-18 03:06
None of you understood what I meant. I didn’t say at any time that Brazil was better than Sweden in CS 1.6, I just said that Brazil did have great teams and tournaments, on a national scale mainly, unlike you, who spoke as if Brazil didn’t know CS until 2015-16. Of course, Sweden was better than Brazil, not least because Sweden is a first world country, and Brazil is not.
2020-01-18 05:15
unfair cuz sweden GOAT.
2020-01-17 18:26
GERMANY AUSTRIA
2020-01-17 02:10
Switzerland
2020-01-17 02:12
germany of course. troubley keev gob b denis nex spiidi the list goes on
2020-01-17 02:13
#287
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Czech Republic Xedys 
GERMANY_1MENTALLY_ILL_AUSTRALIA_0_MENTALLY_ILL
2020-01-18 20:32
#230
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Austria cm_attack 
wtf
2020-01-17 18:42
Ukraine Russia
2020-01-17 02:11
Both very integrated in cs, now tho we barely have any really relevant player except of Sasha :( Angel is a retard and ruined hr
2020-01-17 02:30
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Latvia iliketurtels 
somedieyoung? very good player
2020-01-17 10:23
Only him and its tier 2/3
2020-01-17 10:39
Ukraine top 20 players: markeloff, edward Ukraine top 5 players: s1mple Russia top 20 players: flamie Russia top 5 players: Dosia, electronic So in terms of tier 1 talent theyve each had a few, russia also had seized who was very close to top 20. ukraine also had ceh9, kibaken, starix, zeus In terms of tier 2-3 talent Russia blows ukraine away. if you look in the top 20 rn, the only ukrainians are somedieyoung and simple. there are like 30 russians. in cs history its been a little more balanced, but russia has always had deeper talent, which makes sense considering the size of the country. Russia wins!
2020-01-17 02:32
In general I do agree mens, our scene has very few young talents :( Btw kibaken is ruski afaik
2020-01-17 02:41
yes but overall for such a medium sized country it is very impressive! ukraine has 1 of the 4 people to win best of the year. 5 if u count this year (zywoo probably)
2020-01-17 02:43
Ye, we have really bright legacy from 1.6 (s1mple also started from 1.6)
2020-01-17 02:44
yes and markeloff is debatably the best cs 1.6 player ever!
2020-01-17 02:49
All time in all CS Ukraine is definitely greater
2020-01-17 03:28
#21
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United States Vollizie 
USA Canada
2020-01-17 02:13
#27
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Bulgaria goshyy 
USA for sure, although Canada has some good players too!
2020-01-17 02:17
make ur on thread kid ill bullyzoid u
2020-01-17 02:18
Interesting one! Hard to compare the teams as most teams have both. Elite Players: Usa has had tarik stewie2k rush brehze ethan dazed swag n0thing steel nitro elige autimatic ska hiko Canadian elite players: naf twistzz shroud semphis AZK stanislaw daps Overall USA and Canada r so mixed but there r more americans than canadians which makes sense since america has so many more people. usa wins
2020-01-17 02:18
#34
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United States Vollizie 
Don't forget USA_1_Major_Canada_0_Major
2020-01-17 02:23
Flukiest major ever, even gambot wasnt so fluke and would be forever top 1 if Danya and his alkash friend didnt quit
2020-01-17 02:32
#41
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United States Vollizie 
Did I stutter?
2020-01-17 02:33
U mentally killed GODian (the sloVAC one) for fluke major run, aint you ashamed of it
2020-01-17 02:37
#46
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United States Vollizie 
FaZe becoming really shit is what mentally scarred GuardiaN. He was still good after Boston.
2020-01-17 02:38
Dunno, I remember his face after they lost the unlostable, he looked dead inside mens((( I did cry then and crying rn men wtf((( Poor Ladislav cyka KoVAC, he deserved the major
2020-01-17 02:40
#172
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Czech Republic VetriX_ 
+1
2020-01-17 10:51
Top 20 #10('13), #11('14), #2('15), #17('16), #9('17), #11('18) On the top since the start of cs go and till 2019, very sad
2020-01-17 02:48
I agree this is so sad. he was the only player to be top 20 every year and i dont understand why more ppl dont talk about this. i believe he is the second greatest csgo player of all time behind dev1ce
2020-01-17 02:58
steel is canadian m8 (._.')
2020-01-17 19:08
my bad haha typo
2020-01-17 19:49
steel is canadian
2020-01-17 19:46
oops very dumb look
2020-01-17 19:49
#26
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Italy spazioesterno 
sweden denmark
2020-01-17 02:17
#30
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Bulgaria goshyy 
Impossible, both 4 majors if I am correct and both of them have had impressive eras how do you even compare??!?!?
2020-01-17 02:18
#32
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Italy spazioesterno 
yeah this is the challenge
2020-01-17 02:20
Very hard to compare! lets analyze! Sweden teams: Fnatic NiP Epsilon Flipsid3 Denmark teams: Astralis North/dignitas SK optic Hunden’s teams I could go on and on, but sweden has had more different players at the top. hell, pyth was on the #1 ranked team at one point and nobody thinks of him. Id say sweden is a tiny bit ahead.
2020-01-17 02:25
+1 Would also go for Sweden (I am swedish) but I am a big fan of astralis and the old TSM but would still pick SWE.
2020-01-17 02:34
Yes fore sure. if i was on my pc i would go much more in depth and i guarantee sweden has had more different players in top 20 teams than denmark. so many forgotten guys that were actually okay players: pauf, wenton, delpan, pyth, disco doplan, freddieb, draken etc.
2020-01-17 02:36
There is absolutely no way Sweden wins this. Sweden has yet to find glory since The Big Golden Fnatic age, and has had several Big drops where neither Fnatic or NiP were a contender for anything. TSM/Astralis were long in The making before getting their glory time, but they always managed to keep themselves relevant. Both has won 4 majors. But The fact that one Danish team did it themselves, as well as securing 3 majors in a row is something nobody is ever going to do again. Danish CS has had The most dominant years in CS:GO history. Looking at their top 30 teams, they’ve Astralis, North, Heroic, Mad Lions, and could potentially have had The old OpTic lineup as well. Denmark has also served players to several other countries, and still are. Such as 2/5 of CoL, 2/5 of Nordavind and 1/5 of OG. They had 3/5 of Sprout before going fully german, and 2/5 of Alternate Attax before going fully german. As well as Karrigan in Mouz. Looking at The tier 2 scene Denmark almost always has 1-3 teams in tournaments such as lootbet and similar tournaments. Such as Copenhagen Flames, Ambush, Lyngby Vikings, and more. Furthermore they have The largest amount of talent of all countries within The scene. Let me sum up Danish players that are playing internationally or is free agent atm, but still relevant. Valde, NaToSaphix, Tenzki, K0nfig, Blamef, & Karrigan. Freeagents: AnJ, Refrezh, Niko, MSL and, Mertz As i Saw someone up there calling out great forgotten players. Half of Them isn’t even forgotten, and The other half was never that good. Let me tell you; Sanden, Friis, Haste, Berry, Raalz, Glace, Lomme, Colon, Acilion, Sycrone, Percy(Could name 100’s more if i went to his low standard of players). Sweden is furthermore in a Dark spot, since they only have Brollan, Nawwk and Plopski as new discovered talent. Wanna see Denmark? Teses, Sjuush, Roej, AcoR, Farlig, Nodios, Notan(On try with Astralis before magisk came), Kwezz, Lucky, Kir, Jabbi, Queenix, Toft, Celrate, Tobiz, Cabbi, Twinx, Froslev, Hectoz, Larsen, TMB, Thamlike, daffu, hooxi, kristou, Percy, Lukki, Inzta, Remoy, Ryxxo, Dragonfly, Torben, Holzt, Hug, Basso, Ckay, Wezx and i Can keep going forever. You did a good job. But this one was a massive failure. Danmark > Sweden/Brazil > France Period.
2020-01-17 04:02
The best Analyst on HLTV.org goes to......... AnalyticalGenius! For once again outsmarting everyone, who doesn’t have The full knowledge of every single scene. Daaaaaaamn dude.. You’re a prodigy. AnalyticalGenius 1 - Gambittop1 0
2020-01-17 04:11
Haha. Don’t be to hard on him. He actually did a well job. A few mistakes here and there, but i wouldn’t completely ruin his thread. This one was just next level stupidity, and my Analytical mindset couldn’t resist correcting him. It was The worst possible analysis he could ever make.
2020-01-17 04:13
I agree that right now Denmark is 10x more than sweden, but man what you say about denmark now with the deep pool could have been said about the swedish scene in 2013-2014. the 2 best teams in the world were swedish, something denmark never achieved, and there were tons of young up and coming talents in sweden. you’re not looking at the full picture of all of CSGO. Also, don’t patronize me you egotistical, arrogant snob. You’re not better than everyone because you named yourself “analytical genius.” Get off your high horse, ass hole.
2020-01-17 04:44
Not even close. Yes The two best were Swedish in a time with 10000x less competitive teams, and Sweden didnt even back then have The half of The talent that Denmark has right now. Denmark has The best team in history, The largest scene in history, The most talent in history, The most majors in row in history, most consistent player in history, most tournaments ever won. Things Sweden cant compare with in any given way. Thinking Sweden is over Denmark is delusional at highest level. The thing is. I am indeed Looking into The full picture. You’re just remembering The old days very wrong. There has been two years of Swedish dominance. But not in row. Denmark has had two years of dominance in row. No stats favor Sweden here. I didn’t say i was better. Why you mad? I admired your work, and said it was good. Just this one is hella bad. Jesus Christ man.. You just gave yourself The biggest L i’ve ever seen. The biggest ego here is you. It is not my fault people agrees with me. Get your shit straight.
2020-01-17 04:56
Don’t be antagonistic and then play the victim card. “next level stupidity.” ok expert :D By the way, the argument of “less competitive scene” is beyond stupid. Being the best basketball player in 1970 is just as impressive as being the best basketball player in 2020. Obviously it’s more competitive, there’s more money, sports psychologists, well-paid coaches and staff. But being the best at something is being the best, relevant to the time. That’s the same twisted logic people use to call s1mple a greater all time player than get_right, because 2018 s1mple would beat 2013 get_right. for fucks sake anyone in the top 50 right now would destroy 2013 get_right, the game changes and everyone gets better, being the best team in 2013 is just as impressive as being the best team in 2019 when talking about greatest of all time. people dont discount michael jordan’s greatness because everyone was worse at basketball. people don’t discount newton’s genius because his discoveries are physics that is taught to high schoolers now. do you see what i’m saying?
2020-01-17 05:01
I wasnt talking about The level of play, but The number of teams. Which makes The Big difference. How is that hard to understand? And i didnt even throw a victim card. Lol. I just say i admired your work, which i clearly wrote in my first message as well. You’re taking things out of context for your own advantage.. Silly move..
2020-01-17 05:12
Both number of teams and leve of play need to be factored simultaneously. Take a look at this. hltv.org/news/18204/team-ranking-june-20.. Sweden 2 top 5 teams Denmark 0 top 5 teams Sweden 4 top 30 teams Denmark 3 top 30 teams There are times where both sweden and denmark both were way more dominant. You’re acting like this is super black and white, when it’s really not. What you called “next level stupidity” is really very reasonable thinking. I’m not saying youre wrong on this one, it’s debatable, but nothing I said was stupid in anyway.
2020-01-17 05:25
Sweet friend. Thats one example out of 1000. Denmark had Astralis, North, Heroic, Tricked, OpTic on The list st same time. As well as Karrigan in FaZe, and NaToSaphix, Sycrone and Percy in Sprout, and Hunden and Console in Alternate. And AnJ in NRG. Being The country with most players from a single country in top 30 ever. Theres absolutely no discussion. Denmark is The better CS:go nation. Both now and in history. Any analyst or Pro would agree.
2020-01-17 05:31
#130
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Serbia KaLuOP 
All astralis players played back then. How was it not competitive lol
2020-01-17 07:20
This comment is so dumb, that i don’t even want to explain you. Jesus...
2020-01-17 15:18
#286
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Serbia KaLuOP 
Its actually not. Astralis will be bad sooner or later and in few years you can say the competition wasnt that good.
2020-01-18 20:29
The beginning of The game, and now is two very different things. Your mind is twisted. Last reply to you. Waste of time it will be.
2020-01-18 20:40
Brazil>France is really debatable, and in my opinion incorrect, though i see both sides. Brazil has had only boltz, fer, fnx, cold, felps, and fallen in top 20, and cold is 2x, fallen is 2x, and i believe the rest are only 1x. France has had shox and kennys in top 20 more than all brazillians combined lol. plus smithzz, nbk, happy, kio, and apex. zywoo is also about to be top 1, so... another fact: in 2014, 6 of the top 20 were french, more than brazil has had in the top 20 in all of csgo. Both have 2 majors, but france has had 1 or 2 top 10 teams for basically all of csgo, something that brazil has had only from 2016 to a few months ago when furia and mibr fell off. How can you even try to defend this? Or will you admit it was a blunder?
2020-01-17 04:55
I wont. Because The Brazilian scene has way more depth than The french. At top level France is better yes. In tier 2 and 3, France is nowhere close all The talent Brazil is sitting on. Remember. We’re Looking at scenes as a whole here. Whats funny is you start it with saying its debatable which it is, and that you Can see both sides. But you’re ending with “How Can you defend this”... You’re not even sure what your own opinion is. Do some more research, make a opinion, then write to me again.
2020-01-17 05:03
more depth? maybe right now but in no way from 2013-2017 did the brazillian scene have more depth, and that’s more than half of csgo history. I’m sure my own opinion, I was just trying to state how it could appear that way, but upon further investigation, it’s very difficult to hold that brazil is greater all time than France.
2020-01-17 05:04
Listen. You’re new right? You only followed The European scene? Back then HLTV’s list could not be used for smaller teams at all. But if you followed The brazilian scene you would know they were already there. Do you Think all these talents started in 2017? Lmfao.. You’re more clueless than i thought... Brazilian teams needed exposure from HLTV to get noticed by people like you. Which luminosity gave Them. But already then The 1.6 Legends Builded a scene stronger than The french one. Now when they Got exposure they’re harvesting The goods from it.. You’re not enough into it, to have this conversation at all i see.
2020-01-17 05:07
I’m more than aware that MIBR/brazillian complexity were huge teams in 1.6, but idc how “good” you think they were from 2013-2015, they didnt do anything. Maybe 10 brazillians attended a major in a 3 year span. thats ridiculous. Of course i dont think they just popped up in 2016* (u wrote 2017, idk y, since they won a major in 2016). While the rest of the world played majors and tier 1 events, what brazil did on home soil is just as impressive to me as what china did on home soil. brazillians beating other brazillians proves nothing on a global scale. That’s like calling china relevant in 2015 because tyloo was beating vici at local tournaments. I’m not conversing with you anymore because 1: you’re ignorant. some of you’re claims have been so ridiculous it blows my mind that you spew them so confidently 2: you’re toxic. you can’t argue without saying “youre new right?” and calling me an “hltv junkie.” get a grip dude nobody wants to talk to someone who cant control their emotions and thinks theyre on top of the world.
2020-01-17 05:47
Dude you wrote 2017, thats why i said it like that lol. And they were good. But at that tile there were no qualifiers outside EU and NA. And bBraziæ didnt have The money. Again.. You’re totally offbeat. And your China comparison is laughable. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. My claims? Funny how you’re The only one thinking that. Everyone i’m The thread is against you, and you’re still thinking you’re right. Thats what we normal people call delusional. You started The toxic atmosphere. You get what you give. You’re completely waste of time. The fact that everyone has agreed with me and not you, is proof enough. But it will never be for someone as delusional as you.
2020-01-17 06:11
You are both right amd both wrong in some regards.
2020-01-17 08:13
Read it again. He is completely off.
2020-01-17 15:18
Do some more investigation and i have found someone to debate with. But for now. You’re nothing but a HLTV junkie. Sorry to say.
2020-01-17 05:09
+1
2020-01-17 05:10
Another one. Thank you. I dont know how this guy cant see it himself.
2020-01-17 05:13
#102
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Denmark Phoey 
Jesus Christ i feel The burn.. That guy has to delete his account after your arguements. You completely wrecked him. But with good manners lol! What a fucking LEGEND! AnalyticalGenius for President! @Martin @JonathanE hire this guy!
2020-01-17 05:19
Thanks you my kind sir. It’s kind of sad.. He seemed cool before answering me. He turned 180degrees after that tho’.. Super sad. At least he is better educated now.
2020-01-17 05:23
Omg this guy lost to himself xaxaxaxaxa Stupid guy XD. Well played Bro you destroy him
2020-01-17 06:16
I know right? He is making a complete fool out of himself. The best part was he tried to correct The brazilian major from 2016, when i just made fun of him pointing out that BR was bad until 2017. Lmfao.. This guy is fucking dumb, seriously. I wont spend more time on him. He is seriously not even close to be mentally right.. He has some mental disorder i’m confident saying that. Lmfao
2020-01-17 06:20
#47
MeDveDeV | 
Brazil ricca 
brazil poland
2020-01-17 02:38
This is very tough! Though my gut feeling is brazil. Let’s have a look. Poland players at tier 1: pasza taz neo byali snax tier 2ish: oskarish, gruby, hyper, loord, kuben, minise and many more Brazil tier 1: (this is anyone who has been tier 1 at one point, so immortals and furia are included as they have been top 5 teams) fallen, boltz, cold, taco, fer, fnx, steel, hen1, lucas1, felps, arT, vini, yuurih, ablej, kscerato tier 2: zqks, bit, nak, pkl, shoowtime, and many more brazil has had boltz, cold, felps, fallen, fnx, and fer in top 20 and cold was #1 twice and fallen was #2 poland has had snax, byali, pasza, and neo, with snax and pasza breaking top 5. Brazil has 2 majors, poland only one, but also a major final. Both have a handful of tier 1-2 events over the last few years. Although the brazillian scene has been around much less time, i would say its much deeper and more accomplished than the polish scene in csgo history.
2020-01-17 02:48
#56
MeDveDeV | 
Brazil ricca 
damn bro you have alot of knowledge about the game! hltv hire gambittop1!
2020-01-17 02:53
thank you brother! i have been a huge CS fan for a long time. love to talk about the game with fellow fans.
2020-01-17 02:56
#86
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France OtelloO 
You've put words and data on my feelings. Thank you sir.
2020-01-17 05:04
You’re welcome!
2020-01-17 05:06
do not forget kng :)
2020-01-17 17:33
oops
2020-01-17 17:42
#63
COCAINE | 
Brazil oneS2 
australia china
2020-01-17 03:05
This is a good one. I really don’t know as much as I should about China, but they really havent accomplished much in csgo, other than a few upsets from tyloo/vici. australia has had a tier 1 team for 2019, and a player in top 20, which china never had. australia also had a consistent tier 2 team in 2014-2017 vox eminor/renegades, while china kind of dropped off the map for a year or two, and even then tyloo was tier 3 in my opinion. the only argument would be that the australian scene has had help from jkaem, naf, nifty, but even still, vox was all australian and jks is a top tier player, something china has never had.
2020-01-17 05:09
India Pakistan
2020-01-17 03:09
India 1 Forsaken Pakistan 0 Forsaken
2020-01-17 04:14
#153
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India _Jazz_ 
India
2020-01-17 09:29
Spain Argentina
2020-01-17 03:15
I don’t know enough about Argentina to give u much depth there, sorry man. But just at first glance on mixwell’s achievement alone, as well as lowel being on a top 10 team for a while, spain takes the cake.
2020-01-17 05:07
#66
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United States tzuyuXX 
1)sweden 2)denmark 3)usa/bra7il 4)^^^ 5)russia 6)poland 7)ukraine 8)canada 9)finland 10)germany 11)australia 12)china
2020-01-17 03:23
Worst list ever
2020-01-17 04:05
definitely some holes in this list... u forgot france altogether lol
2020-01-17 05:05
Farnce is ^^^
2020-01-17 05:17
lmao
2020-01-17 05:11
France doesn't exist? Denmark > Sweden Poland > Russia
2020-01-17 06:52
#157
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Kazakhstan MahNinja 
The most stipid list lol Kazakhstan > Finland, Germany, Australia, China France > USA
2020-01-17 10:11
Slovakia Finland
2020-01-17 03:30
Wow this is very tough at first glance! Let’s look at slovakia first, as it shouldnt take long. Styko-played for hr and mous, solid performance at tier 2-3, and then at tier 1 when mous had their couple tournament wins. Zero-played for hr for almost 2 years, solid player for a tier 2-3 team Queztone-very brief stint on hellraisers, a tier 2-3 team at the time Guardian-the total backbone of the scene. him alone puts them so high. a top 20 player every year of csgo other than this year. 3x major finalist. multiple tournaments won with navi and faze as well as mvps. Finland: Okay so for most of csgo, except for very early on and the last year, allu and sunny were only finnish players in tier 1-2 CS. I’m not counting waylanderr as he’s russian, not finnish, even though his flag said so for whatever reason (i dont remember why). Allu was top 20 once and was on a top 3 team. Also, sunny achieved the same that styko did, and was a much more noticable player, as he also got top 20, so him and styko kind of cancel each other out, but sunny definitely did more as hes also on ence. Now onto ence. Ence is a team of 5 finns that made a major final, that also won and had deep runs at tier 1 tournaments. Obviously guardian has had more impact on csgo than any single finn, but a team of finns being as good as they have been this year puts them above guardian imo. afterall, csgo is a team game, and slovakia has never had a team accomplish anything. This could definitely be debated, as can most things in csgo, as it depends what you value, I really heavily value team results, so I give this to Finland
2020-01-17 05:20
Respect for actually responding with a detailed post))) You forgot frozen by the way, so that gives a bit more to Slovakia, but Finland would still probably come in first through the logic you used.
2020-01-17 05:25
How silly of me! Totally slipped my mind. Glad you liked the post.
2020-01-17 05:27
#174
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Czech Republic VetriX_ 
What about eXtatus from Slovakia?
2020-01-17 12:43
they were tier 4. Didnt even bother mentioning them.
2020-01-17 16:09
#290
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Czech Republic VetriX_ 
eXtatus/Gunrunners were solid tier 2-3 team
2020-01-19 16:51
tier 2? okay maybe you have a very different definition of tier 2 from everyone else but tier 2 right now is like forze, heroic, north, mibr, furia. some would even say nip, g2, and faze are tier 2. extatus was never tier 2. even tier 3 is pushing it. I dont think they ever even broke top 25 on hltv. hell even echo fox broke top 25.
2020-01-20 06:18
China Korea
2020-01-17 04:18
Indonesia Malaysia
2020-01-17 05:05
is this like some SEA classic rivalry ? I remember some years back when playing CSO there were many conflicts between players from both countries (._.')
2020-01-17 19:16
yes not just in esport , in real sport aswell such as football
2020-01-18 02:15
#292
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Czech Republic VetriX_ 
Asia in football lul
2020-01-20 09:46
XD
2020-01-20 14:03
#96
Dima | 
Russia ty1ercs 
Russia France
2020-01-17 05:11
#98
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France OtelloO 
France & Poland
2020-01-17 05:12
I’ll keep it brief because I’ve went in depth on both these countries already. While both these nations have been very relevant for a long time, Poland’s scene has always been very shallow. Outside vp, teams like ago, csgolounfe, kinguin, have floated around tier 3, while france has had 2 tier 1 teams for much of csgo, in titan/ldlc envyus/g2 and now vitality/g2 Also, poland 1 major, france 2 majors France has more top 20 player appearances, etc. Sorry this is brief haha I’m just getting tired and i’ve wrote on these 2.
2020-01-17 05:51
UK Norway
2020-01-17 05:16
Okay, let’s see: UK Surreal-tier 3-4, wasnt very good Depth-tier 3-4, wasnt very good Mantuu-super promising but hasnt done a ton yet. Could totally see him in top 20 2020 or 2021 Alex-tier 1 solid player, tho only in the last 2 years smooya-been around tier 3, very mechanically gifted. rattlesnk, fearless, the ezskins guys UK hasn’t accomplished anything as a whole, unless you count ezskins, which i dont really Norway: Rain-has been on a top 15 and even top 1 team in g2, kinguin, faze for something like 4 years. major finalist, top 5 player in 2018 jkaem-solid player for g2/faze and now with renegades he was a top 30 player in the world for 2019 rubino-solid player for dig/north, won epicenter. had some crazy performances occasionally. skytten, polly, skurk, all the 2013-2015 guys who played on LGB/london conspiracy/other norwegian tier 2 teams So norway not only had a norwegian tier 2 team, but the players individually have accomplished more as well... so norway takes it by a long shot.
2020-01-17 05:35
Italy India
2020-01-17 05:49
I know nothing about either. I’m mostly kidding when i say this, but india has been to a major so... lol
2020-01-17 05:52
ayy 😎👍
2020-01-17 05:53
France and USA :)
2020-01-17 05:53
#120
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Sweden wtf_men 
Sweden Denmark
2020-01-17 06:36
#121
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Sweden wtf_men 
Probably the most even situation between two countries btw. Both countries dominated periods of 1.6 and CS:GO. If you look only at CSGO, (Denmark: 4 majors, 1 2nd place. Sweden: 4 majors, 6 2nd places.) Sweden has 3 top 1 placements for HLTV player of the year in CSGO, Denmark has 0 top 1 placements. Still would say its even between them. What would you say mens?
2020-01-17 06:40
I would agree it’s very even. Super hard to say, I personally put sweden ahead for the reasons you listed. 6 2nd place, 3 top 1 placements for hltv player of the year.
2020-01-17 07:14
#122
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Denmark Dust_2_Go 
Serbian and turkey
2020-01-17 06:44
Germany France
2020-01-17 06:50
Def France
2020-01-17 06:57
france, not a ton of analyzing needs to be done
2020-01-17 07:15
You are right but what do you think about Poland vs France
2020-01-17 17:28
France. poland has only ever had 5 tier 1 players, and a handful of tier 2-3 in csgolounge, ago, kinguin, etc. France has had 2 tier 1 teams for much of csgo, and a deeper tier 2-3 scene. Also if you look at top 20, poland has just had pasha, neo, snax, byali. france in 2014 alone had 6 players... so Also france 2 majors to poland 1. Sorry this is a little all over the place and informal, but france definitely takes this
2020-01-17 17:40
I agree
2020-01-17 20:02
China and grrmany
2020-01-17 06:57
Germany
2020-01-17 17:30
#132
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Sweden DeeColon 
Kazakstan South Korea
2020-01-17 07:31
3 kazakh players won the PGL Krakow major (._.')
2020-01-17 19:21
#277
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Sweden DeeColon 
Not to mention (NOT Avangar) Virtus.pro
2020-01-18 00:02
Denmark Sweden
2020-01-17 08:14
#135
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Germany MackyGee 
Germany Turkey
2020-01-17 08:15
#162
flusha | 
Romania dreww_ 
Isnt turkey in germany ))))
2020-01-17 10:29
#137
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Russia Windcast 
China and Australia at 1.6 china was better
2020-01-17 08:22
#141
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Spain Jbc12301 
Norway spain
2020-01-17 08:31
probably Norway because of rain and jkaem results and ranks (or just rain alone) (._.')
2020-01-17 19:23
north korea cuba
2020-01-17 08:31
Cuba participated in a few WESG central america qualys. North Korea didn't do so for the Asian region (._.')
2020-01-17 19:27
#147
Xyp9x | 
Czech Republic sujkic 
Denmark NA (or just USA, if you insist on countries, felt like it could be NA, since teams are like always mixed from USA and Canada)
2020-01-17 08:52
denmark no doubt
2020-01-17 16:11
Kongo Japan
2020-01-17 08:54
#228
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Netherlands Alvinvl 
Japan cause they actually have computers instead of guns
2020-01-17 18:40
Germany Cap Verde
2020-01-17 08:54
germany ofc
2020-01-17 16:12
#152
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Georgia Megobari 
Brazil Poland
2020-01-17 09:26
#53
2020-01-17 16:12
Brunei Reunion
2020-01-17 09:35
nt GucciLele
2020-01-17 19:35
Brunei best imo
2020-01-17 19:38
#155
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Russia KotLeopold 
Ukraine and Poland
2020-01-17 09:41
VP_1_MAJOR_NAVI_0
2020-01-17 19:34
Bhutan bangladesh
2020-01-17 09:44
Bangladesh because bigger population, so higher proportion of cs players
2020-01-17 19:34
Greece Italy
2020-01-17 10:12
#159
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Kazakhstan MahNinja 
Kazakhstan Canada
2020-01-17 10:19
I lean towards Canada Kazakhstan has a bunch of flukes, but Twistzz, NAF, daps, and even steel have acheived more, more consistently
2020-01-17 19:32
#161
flusha | 
Romania dreww_ 
Romania Any other country
2020-01-17 10:28
romania goat
2020-01-17 19:31
#163
Yeet | 
Spain H0TDOGG 
spain and italy jajajajaja
2020-01-17 10:31
#164
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Korea XigNGODtop1 
Korea China
2020-01-17 10:32
North Korea South Korea
2020-01-17 10:37
since this is csgo only, china obviously takes it as korea has done nothing in csgo.
2020-01-17 16:20
#197
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Korea XigNGODtop1 
China carried by non-chinese players
2020-01-17 16:23
tyloo made a major with an all chinese lineup
2020-01-17 16:24
#201
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Korea XigNGODtop1 
Objectively wrong btw
2020-01-17 16:32
? what
2020-01-17 17:35
#214
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Korea XigNGODtop1 
They haven’t made a major with a fully chinese lineup, ever
2020-01-17 17:43
whoops. i guess flash had kaze too. regardless korea has basically no scene
2020-01-17 17:46
#217
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Korea XigNGODtop1 
In the end I agree, but argument could be made that the best Korean players are better than the best Chinese ones even in GO. However when you consider the depth of the scene as well, China does take it
2020-01-17 17:49
+1
2020-01-17 17:52
#167
food | 
Poland M0N0L0Q 
Russia or Kazakhstan
2020-01-17 10:40
#227
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Netherlands Alvinvl 
Russia, gambit was fluke and avangar same
2020-01-17 18:40
#171
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France laglory 
Sweden Denmark
2020-01-17 10:46
anatycialgenious u are so dumb
2020-01-17 15:48
Says that guy who can’t even spell. Go back to School kid. You’re a nutjob gone wrong.
2020-01-17 17:18
Turkey Bulgaria
2020-01-17 15:50
#226
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Netherlands Alvinvl 
Turkey cause except cerq who did bulgaria ever havee
2020-01-17 18:39
woxic + calyx + paz + maj3r + xantares > poizon +victor + bubbles + cerq + poizon
2020-01-17 19:30
Germany Burundi
2020-01-17 16:10
fan of Harald?
2020-01-17 16:14
yes
2020-01-17 16:16
yes
2020-01-17 16:24
Norway Netherlands
2020-01-17 16:13
Norway jkaem + rain > chrisj
2020-01-17 19:30
#187
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Azerbaijan orxanplayer 
Azerbaijan Armenian
2020-01-17 16:13
#192
LaimB | 
Lithuania Martis 
Lithuania Latvia
2020-01-17 16:20
Lithuania has nukkye and EspiranTo, Latvia has like YEKIND4R?
2020-01-17 19:29
#251
LaimB | 
Lithuania Martis 
They also got broky
2020-01-17 19:30
ur right
2020-01-17 19:31
#196
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Georgia Megobari 
Sweden USA
2020-01-17 16:22
Sweden no competition
2020-01-17 19:28
sweden_3_majors_usa_1_major (._.') (and wasn't even a full usa lu)
2020-01-17 19:33
san marino liechtenstein, have fun!
2020-01-17 17:29
Liechtenstein has a HLTV national team profile, san marino doesn't. (._.')
2020-01-17 19:45
thats actually impressive, and tf
2020-01-17 19:46
Ukraine Poland
2020-01-17 17:30
#223
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Netherlands Alvinvl 
Ukraine because god S1mple. Who in his prime is the ultimate GOAT of CSGO. VP < Prime S1mple
2020-01-17 18:38
#221
RUSH | 
United States ShawnM 
Sweden Denmark
2020-01-17 18:37
#224
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Netherlands Alvinvl 
Denmark, cause astralis is the greatest team of all time
2020-01-17 18:39
#222
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Netherlands Alvinvl 
Netherlands Belgium
2020-01-17 18:38
ScreaM + Ex6tenZ > chrisj
2020-01-17 19:24
poland germany
2020-01-17 18:39
VP_ONE_MAJOR_MOUSESPORTS_0
2020-01-17 19:23
+123123123123245346356785678956
2020-01-17 19:51
#231
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Netherlands PasscaLl 
Netherlands UK
2020-01-17 18:44
Netherlands chrisj> entire uk scene combined
2020-01-17 19:23
#270
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Netherlands PasscaLl 
+1 d0cc is also really good, although hes probably hacking
2020-01-17 20:38
#232
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Brazil FAZE_FALLEN 
coldzera p1mple
2020-01-17 18:48
Iran Saudi-Arabia 😎
2020-01-17 19:22
#248
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Finland sucstoByou 
Sweden France
2020-01-17 19:29
Germany North Korea
2020-01-17 19:32
Greece Iran
2020-01-17 19:47
#275
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United States MrFornino 
Brazil United States (if you want to include Canada also go ahead
2020-01-17 22:09
#279
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Netherlands zuzelmonster 
canada usa or uk netherlands
2020-01-18 02:10
iran usa
2020-01-18 02:23
brazil usa
2020-01-18 02:24
zimbabwe mongolia
2020-01-18 02:28
FATE
1.58
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2.33
North
2.01
forZe
1.80
Liquid
1.18
Virtus.pro
5.30
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