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Device AND Elige robbed
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Europe Vallon3 
So let's review: - 26 more maps played - WAY more games played and won against top 5 teams and TL, the second best team of 2019 - Did not just farm tier 2-3 teams in groups, constantly made playoffs and clashed with the best - 3 MVP's, 1 of which a major (something s1mple only dreams of) - 7 EVP's But Hltv's like: ''DERR, BUT HE HADZ 0.05 RATING LOWER *sucks off s1mple* '' And that's the story behind top 2 and 3. Fucking retards, take a note from FIFA and how they award their Ballon d'Or's. Lewandowski has like 4 more goals than Messi and is the top scorer of 2019, YET HE'S FUCKING 8TH, while Messi is top 1... because he and his team achieved way more and against tougher competition. Stats are far from the only thing that counts when comparing individuals, which is probably a foreign concept to the idiots who keep repeating ''it's individual ranking, not team-based!!!111!!'', and apparently to hltv as well. Both device AND Elige deserved to be above s1mple. Both were extremely consistent, played their role in their team flawlessly, and even despite the fact that Astralis and Liquid are the two most skilled teams of all time, those two players STILL stood out among all of that talent, which is way more impressive than s0mple farming group bots. RIP.
2020-01-19 21:14
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#1
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Denmark ghostan11 
Couldnt agree more
2020-01-19 21:18
cry me a river
2020-01-20 13:23
#88
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Denmark ghostan11 
Polish cse
2020-01-20 13:28
#101
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Brazil Fauchard 
For me this year the top 5 Device Elige Zywoo S1mple Device have 2 majors and several MVPS and I agree with fifa ballon'dor award, look at 2018 when modric win the best player of the world just because he carrys croatia to the final of world cup
2020-01-21 12:43
device didnt get robbed. He should have been #3 anyway. EliGE got robbed though.
2020-01-19 21:18
#4
floppy | 
United States Frotha 
No 2. Device 3. Elige 4. S1mple
2020-01-19 21:20
no
2020-01-19 21:22
#13
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Europe Vallon3 
+1
2020-01-19 21:29
dont worry, he's just baiting also +1
2020-01-20 01:35
#71
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Sweden Trkmag 
+1
2020-01-20 11:05
#3
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Finland SeaSexAndSunny 
who cars
2020-01-19 21:19
#5
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Denmark simple_0_major 
How can you be #2 if you never showed up in a big final, since your team didn't even reach one. Best placements Na'Vi had in 2019 was 4th at dreamhack masters malmö and 4th at ESL cologne?
2020-01-19 21:21
because its not team rating, u know?
2020-01-19 21:28
Read Vallon3's post again
2020-01-19 21:35
read ur brain again. device was worse than simple in his personal skill and perf. If u argue with that - u have braindaamge
2020-01-19 21:37
Why do you think that simple was better? Simple barely played top teams playoffs in 2019
2020-01-19 23:03
Omg. Go watch matches. And then comeback
2020-01-20 00:00
I do watch them and i even replay them, simple does a shit ton of mistakes against good teams, and he even barely gets to play them
2020-01-20 08:48
lul lul lul. Thats why hltv ( that is danish biased) put him on 2 place. Because he does a shit ton of mistakes against good teams, and he even barely gets to play them. xD xD xD
2020-01-20 10:28
#67
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Denmark Tobias191O 
maybe not so danish biased after all
2020-01-20 10:49
how are they danish biased? lmao they literally did something opposite of that. is your brain working?
2020-01-20 13:15
they did opposite because its obvious to anyone with even a bit of brain that simple >> device
2020-01-20 13:16
tell me your reasoning then lmao, its like im talking with a biased fanboy hmmm. rating is the only thing simple has over device, but if you would anylize how they play you would know that device is better.
2020-01-20 13:19
Lol. Ye, device better. Ok, thats why he is 3rd. Ok. Go get ur nobel prize
2020-01-20 13:20
you are delusional if you think hltv knows more about the game than even you. lmao
2020-01-20 14:14
ye, u know better no question. See u at nobel prize congratulations
2020-01-20 14:14
great arguments once again lmao
2020-01-20 14:15
#103
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Brazil Fauchard 
he is good playing against ECO
2020-01-21 12:44
You're the braindamaged here. Device played way harder opponents than s1mple. S1mple just statpadding vs noobs. Obviously devices statistics are way better than s1mples.
2020-01-20 00:59
lul lul lul. Thats why hltv ( that is danish biased) put him on 3 place. Because he played better. xD xD xD
2020-01-20 01:33
danish biased lmfao it was some serbian dog who made the top20 list
2020-01-20 01:44
Ok braindamage confirmed
2020-01-20 10:03
#70
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Italy KezaijinDZN 
At least he got one
2020-01-20 10:57
#35
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Finland HARD4ENCE 
They won Starseries season 7 though..
2020-01-20 00:27
#54
device | 
Denmark bebm 
last i checked that event was missing the two best teams in the world big event? sure less impressive than the others tho, especially if its ur only win
2020-01-20 01:31
#57
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Finland HARD4ENCE 
By that logic IEM Beijing 2019 which Astralis won wasn't significant then, if Starseries season 7 was not. Mostly same teams attending, just put Astralis instead of NaVi and a shittier version of ENCE there. Agreed, NaVi had a poor year apart from that. But I would mostly blame the constant roster change hazzle for this.
2020-01-20 01:51
#59
device | 
Denmark bebm 
IEM beijing was IGS so it has somewhat higher prestige, but thats not the point, if beijing was the only event astralis won, id say astralis had the shitty year, but the point is they won so much more, so thats why im not marking the single event down, if navi won 2 majors + 3 other events along with starseries, i wouldnt say shit about starseries
2020-01-20 02:25
#77
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Finland HARD4ENCE 
Yes, of course Astralis won more. The whole point of my original post was to state to the other guy who said NaVi didn't even reach a single big final last year, which is completely false since they WON one. I wasn't trying to argue whether NaVi had a more successful year than Astralis because that is also completely false.
2020-01-20 12:35
#95
device | 
Denmark bebm 
right, and im saying navi basically didnt win an event this year because the event they did win had a significant asterisk of neither of the top 2 teams and this is the difference between the top 2 and the rest static.hltv.org/images/galleries/1693-me.. dont sit there are claim navi had a solid event win this year, they didnt, that event barely counts if they had won a stacked IGS event as their only win of the year, different story
2020-01-20 19:18
its true, they fucked up on this one zywoo played 5 finals and had a sick 1.41 in those 5 finals average the true top 1, by far better than device and elige in everything but s1mple only had 30 maps against top 5 he shouldnt get #2
2020-01-20 10:35
#7
NEO | 
Poland AntOOr 
still, when you look at device playstyle you feel sleepy when you look at s1mple or zywoo you have pogchamp face
2020-01-19 21:26
Like playstyle is a factor...
2020-01-19 21:39
#23
NEO | 
Poland AntOOr 
it is cause if you are good and aggresive (s1mple, zywoo) you have more options than passive player (device), expecially in full rounds. That's the main reason of people laughing from device and calling him ecovice.
2020-01-19 21:45
Yeah. But playstyle isn't a factor in the ranking. And the main reason of people laughing at device is the fact that they're idiots.
2020-01-19 22:58
Not rly device just thinks thats how the game should be played at the highest level, he has repeated this a lot he thinks that an aggresive playstyle is bad cause for it to work the enemy team must make mistakes. He said this on his stream cant find it now tho
2020-01-19 23:06
like winning everything is a factor its team game and team effort but hltv rank is mostly player individual performance +tournaments (little bit). No doubt astralis is the best team in past 2 years. And yea sometimes good teams feels like average players cuz they have average score/rating (depends on game) which isnt true in all cases. I mean its hard for dev1ce to get good stats if his team is playing insanely good and crushing enemies. P.S. there was a year when simple and NiKo should be in top2 but they werent because of hltv rating system (their team played bad). Pasha biceps top 3 never forget + get right 1st place when both players underperformed. TLDR you aint gonna get fair no matter what, hltv created system formula has one preferences and us fans others.
2020-01-20 11:06
#8
device | 
Denmark Nate2Aid 
Dude you say Lewandowski better than Messi? XD goals aint everything Messi had most of everything lol and Lewandowski is like simple great player in a team that dont have rough matches Messi is way WAY better But I agree Eliege and Device robbed should been 2 and 3
2020-01-19 21:26
#11
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Europe Vallon3 
Are you capable of basic reading comprehension? Read that FIFA part again, please.
2020-01-19 21:29
#14
gla1ve | 
Denmark flapdur 
You misread. The 2 of you agree about Messi and Lewan...
2020-01-19 21:30
#28
nexa | 
Yugoslavia tomasev1c 
are you ok
2020-01-19 23:05
#9
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Azerbaijan Talley 
who cars
2020-01-19 21:27
#12
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France Aresys 
Totally agree. I dont have to make this post now, thx.
2020-01-19 21:29
everyone who knows at least a little bit about this game can clearly see, that s1mple and ZywOo are a step above everyone else. Dunno why you guys always cry, just watch them play and compare them to other players and you will see. BTW who cars about fucking football, useless sport and waste of ressources.
2020-01-19 21:33
#22
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Europe Vallon3 
It's not about caring or liking football, lmao. The point is that the most successful and watched sport in the world (way more than CS) has a much stricter and subsequently better rating system from which hltv should take tips, because theirs is so much inferior. FIFA aren't dumb enough to give the top scorer top 1 or 2, while hltv are. But I guess that requires a bit too much thinking on your part besides looking at 1.22 vs 1.27.
2020-01-19 21:45
As if anyone would give a fuck about the rating. Just watch them play and you will see. Or you can continue beeing delusional. Your argument is bullshit, if you would compare "topscorers" on football with CS you would have to give the top 1 spot to the guy who has the highest KPR. They dont do that and look at all the other stats as well. And like i said, s1mple and ZywOo are not the best because of their stats, but because they play on a whole new level.
2020-01-20 00:46
#49
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Europe Vallon3 
I did watch them play the whole year, s1mple is nowhere near on a whole new level, lmao you kidding me? Zywoo I never even mentioned in this thread. You must be watching a different game. s1mple was good in groups, disappeared in playoffs. I don't care how high his peak is considering he couldn't reach it or keep up a steady performance against the best. Device and Elige had no such problem, even if their peak is not as high. s1mple peak (2018) > device and Elige 2019 >> s1mple 2019. That's how it goes, he was NOT top 2 material this year, not by a long shot. Nobody who couldn't lead his team to a single relevant victory deserves to be top 2, made worse by the fact that he had a top 6 player on his team as well. Nope, nope, no way in hell.
2020-01-20 01:12
You clearly dont understand the game then lmao
2020-01-19 23:06
Tell me then mr know-it-all
2020-01-20 00:47
Who cares about football. hltv users called dark knight- 2020
2020-01-20 00:42
yeah football sucks, so what?
2020-01-20 00:47
"s0mple farming group bots" Enough said
2020-01-19 21:34
i didnt read that shit but yes i have no idea how s1mple is in top2 after doing nothing most of the year, at least compared to 2018 where most people agreed he was undisputed #1. I have to agree with zywoo #1 though, i think his individual performance is beyond anyone in 2019. I have no idea about how hltv comes up with the list nor do i care to look it up, I assume s4mple is just at the top because of his individual skill ceiling, but he didn't really show much of it this year anyway so #2 is very questionable. Or maybe I just expect so much from s1mple and everyone else but the hltv judges are blinded by this kind of placebo effect as well! kek
2020-01-19 21:41
if you read the articles you'll know how they ''come up'' with the list
2020-01-19 21:49
thats a big IF. Obviously most ppl here are to stupid to understand the articles and just cry like the babies they are :)
2020-01-20 00:49
#38
Xyp9x | 
Netherlands arTvamp 
Yeap there is defiantly something off here. Simple is a great player but his rating isnt based upon much tougher competition and more frequent like device. That is basically the only factor that needs to be taken into account in the rating system but I guess that would make it too complex to do it fairly for each individual player. Perhaps they should do this only for the top5 or top10. below is just rating.
2020-01-20 00:37
Its never just rating, can you please read articles
2020-01-20 14:14
#93
Xyp9x | 
Netherlands arTvamp 
You get what I mean. Whatever all the factors are that together make up hltv rating. For sure does not include an offset for facing tougher opposition and more frequently.
2020-01-20 15:03
it does though, otherwise random ''good fragging'' tier 5 players would hit top 20 cus they got better stats than some in the current top 20 lol
2020-01-20 17:08
#109
Xyp9x | 
Netherlands arTvamp 
for facing tougher opposition and more -----------> frequently. simple 20 maps vs tough opposition. device and eliege around 70 maps vs tough opposition............. I guess you cant read. no hltv rankings does not account for both and it should. its not so bad but it should be corrected it stats are to be complete and accurate.
2020-01-24 22:25
FIFA has an even shittier ranking for Ballon d'Or than hltv top 20 honestly. So might not want to compare that. I do feel like s1mple #2 is undeserved, the man is still an insane player but achieved absolute fuck all this year. At least last year he won Cologne.
2020-01-19 21:43
In my opinion Zywoo being 1st is debatable. He is a frag machine and a real carry playing with 4 teammates who barely touch a rating of 1.0 and lately shox who has been an absolute bot. It's true that he was beating "not so top" teams, but vitality themselves are a shit team. Now s0mple team is way much better, electronic has been an amazing player. Flamie has been ok regularly (still better than all of vitality bots), boombI4 was stuck to igl role and still performing pretty well. In fact, navi should get top 4 almost every tournament. I mean they don't have Zeus/Edward anymore and electronic became god-tier. So S0mple doesn't deserve top 3 by any chance. I am lazy to explain why Elige and dev1ce and Magisk deserve much better placement, but if you don't realize that then it's a problem.
2020-01-19 21:54
ZywOo rating at big events vs Top 5 teams: 1.28 based on 40 Maps Device rating at big events vs Top 5 teams: 1.19 based on 76 Maps s1mple rating at big events vs Top 5 teams: 1.27 based on 20 Maps Elige rating at big events vs Top 5 teams: 1.16 based on 75 Maps ranking should be pretty obvious.
2020-01-20 00:54
True s1mple should be 4th.
2020-01-20 13:21
#96
Xyp9x | 
Netherlands arTvamp 
Indeed, minimal requirement to validate those ratings should be:played at least 35 maps or something against top5 teams at big events. If under 35 maps you lose x amount of rating or keep the rating but will be placed lower then opposition with a huge different amount of maps played in big events against the top 5 Simple.
2020-01-21 12:30
hltv might be sucking off s1mple but then you're sucking off device for sure, too
2020-01-19 23:05
#37
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Finland HARD4ENCE 
Shouldn't hltv by definition be biased towards device since it's a danish website?
2020-01-20 00:34
Maybe they're overcompensating for being Danish? They know that if they give Device number 1, they're gonna be called biased and shit. So instead they just rob him for everything he's got.
2020-01-20 10:42
#97
Xyp9x | 
Netherlands arTvamp 
Exactly, this is Because the political left Mindset has been mainstream in europe for the past 2 decades. Its very sad because they fear to be looked as biased and to be truthfull.
2020-01-21 12:41
s1mple taught how to steal other's achievements by Zeus
2020-01-19 23:06
Yeah man, I made a topic about it. How can you be the 2 best players of the world when you can't lead your team to victory?
2020-01-19 23:09
#36
Xyp9x | 
Netherlands arTvamp 
couldnt agree more.
2020-01-20 00:29
True look at Dota 2 or league, player from the year is always someone from TI winning team or Worlds winning team. Think majority of csgo players have lower iq compare to others
2020-01-20 00:44
#45
device | 
Europe Velurom 
I completely agree with you.
2020-01-20 00:49
"And that's the story behind top 2 and 3. Fucking retards, take a note from FIFA and how they award their Ballon d'Or's. Lewandowski has like 4 more goals than Messi and is the top scorer of 2019, YET HE'S FUCKING 8TH, while Messi is top 1... because he and his team achieved way more and against tougher competition. " Terrible terrible terrible example. Barca and Messi achieved next to nothing in 2019 yet he won the award because he was the best individual.
2020-01-20 00:57
#50
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Asia Karbide 
S1mple is set on Na'Vi to frag in the first place and bait his teammates often. That's how Na'Vi wins because s1mple is mechanically extremely talented While dev1ce is set up on Astralis in a way to play together and harmonically like a team because everyone in Astralis is capable of a big play. And that's why there's a diffirence between ratings. Top 20 players should also be judged with how capable they could be in a team game
2020-01-20 01:20
#99
Xyp9x | 
Netherlands arTvamp 
Good points. Interesting angle
2020-01-21 12:37
#51
device | 
Sweden plikz 
100% AGREE
2020-01-20 01:24
#52
KRIMZ | 
Poland deolic 
Yeah, should be #1 Device #2 Zywoo #3 Elige #4 S1mple. If you don't agree, just read this: "Astralis attended 18 events this year. 16 of which were top 4s. That means that in 16 of these events they played against the very best teams. They won 6 of those tournaments and placed 1st in 2 other qualifiers. Their lowest finishes for 6th places on two occasions. That means that they always played against top opposition this year. Dev1ce got positive ratings in all but one event. Vitality attended 25 events, many of which were actually qualifiers for the main stages. So that means that their actual tournament count comes down to 14. Still I'm gonna take all 25 into account since qualifiers count as separate events and they calculate ratings separately. So out of all 25, Vitality managed to go top 4 on 9 occasions (keep in mind, many of these are qualifiers or low tier tournaments) and finished lower than top 4 on 16 occasions. These 16 occasions include two 10th place finishes and six 5th to 8th place finishes, depending on the event. So this means that they couldn't make deep runs consistently. Na'Vi attended 15 events this year. S1mple also attended one more separately, taking his tally to 16. They managed 9 top 4's, but only one win. They also have a 13th-16th finish and a 9th-10th. Oddly enough, S1mple's separate tournament resulted in a 9-12th finish, but it also gave him his highest rating, a 1.84. In fact, his 3rd highest rating was scored during the tournament in which they finished 9th-10th (1.35). So this means that he raped shit opposition. What HLTV is basically telling us is that wrecking shit opposition in the group stage, then going out early in the play-offs, while maintaining a decent score during the loss (zywoo and s1mple) makes you a better player than finishing with slightly lower but still good ratings in deep tournament runs, against top opposition (dev1ce). Oh and in dev1ce's case, many of those deep runs were actually wins." hltv.org/forums/threads/2226940/top-20-i..
2020-01-20 01:28
Only rating from events that had an mvp award count. Zywoo actually played more relevant events than device who attended 5 Blast events. Top 4 attendance: Zywoo: 12 events (2 majors, 9 big, 1 small) - 4 finals (2 W), 2 sf, 4 qf, 1 gp - 10/11 playoffs - 16 team: 7 - 8 team: 4 - Blast: 0 device: 16 events (2 majors, 13 big, 1 small) - 8 finals (6 W), 3 sf, 1 qf, 3 gp - 12/15 playoffs - 16 team: 6 - 8 team: 4 - Blast: 5 s1mple: 12 events (2 majors, 9 big, 1 small) - 1 final (1 W), 4 sf, 2 qf, 4 gp - 7/11 playoffs - 16 team: 6 - 8 team: 1 - Blast: 4 Elige: 18 events (2 majors, 14 big, 2 small) - 10 finals (6 W), 1 sf, 4 qf, 1 gp - 15/16 playoffs - 16 team: 8 - 8 team: 3 - Blast: 5 I did a more thorough comparison if you're interested hltv.org/forums/threads/2226057/zy-dev-s.. Zywoo has enough big games to say he definitely didn't do any statpadding. 10/11 playoffs at big events and only only one group stage exit. And taking some shitty online events into consideration shows either ignorance or delusion.
2020-01-20 10:55
#100
Xyp9x | 
Netherlands arTvamp 
Apart from your placings you hit the nail on the head. Zywoo Device The real discussion is if simple should be 4th and eliege 3rd. Zywoo n1 and device n2 is undisputed this year. Hltv fucked up there and should rectify this :D
2020-01-21 12:51
Very true Zywho 1 Device 2 Elige 3 Brehze 4 StatHunter 5
2020-01-20 01:30
I know you're just going to be set in your ways here and come up with some silly comeback, but I'll still let you know, your comparison is flawed. Football as a sport has a very low number of individual stats to compare. If you wanted a fair comparison you'd have to look at one of the major American sports (excluding the MLS) as well as sports like cricket where the stats are everything. In either of those sports you'll often find that the MvP awards are handed out to the statistically best players, sometimes even players who didn't even make the playoffs. That is how an individual award should be decided, not based on your team's placements, as that is, by all definition a team effort and not reflecting your own personal performance.
2020-01-20 09:00
#102
Xyp9x | 
Netherlands arTvamp 
Yes true but here is what you forget: individual stats gained by facing weaker opposition. How do you justify that ?
2020-01-21 12:44
#62
Aleksib | 
United Kingdom VeXpk 
+1
2020-01-20 09:16
So let's cry* Fixed it for you, np.
2020-01-20 11:06
it should've been like this 1: zywoo 2: device 3: s1mpe 4: elige r/ endofdiscussion
2020-01-20 11:07
#75
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North America SoEz4NAF 
Guys, relax. The true crime is naf should’ve been Number one x)
2020-01-20 11:21
#76
GuardiaN | 
Sweden d4vv3 
very well put! +1
2020-01-20 11:26
#83
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Poland PoIand 
couldnt disagree more
2020-01-20 13:21
stfu NiKo got robbed and no 1 else
2020-01-20 13:23
agreed
2020-01-20 13:24
Dev1ce even lost 1vs1 in OMEN with s1mple
2020-01-20 13:25
#104
Xyp9x | 
Netherlands arTvamp 
True although that one event does not weight up against getting better stats facing weaker opposition and having faced tougher opposition a lot less by a significant differential margin whole year. Simple 20 maps device around 70 maps. The individual duel in turn should weight for something though i agree with you there. But its not enough to make the 2019 year difference in rank for simple. One can suck at one event thats the whole thing about one year worth of stats.
2020-01-21 12:58
#98
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Pakistan LoOuU2 
Straight facts , couldnt agree more
2020-01-21 12:36
#105
Xyp9x | 
Netherlands arTvamp 
Yes hltv stats where a big fact has been ignored. Simple 20 maps tough opponents device and eliege around 70 maps tough opponents. The facts as they are presented are straight forward but incomplete.. This a huge gap that cannot be ignored. I guess a situation like this with simple and device never happened like this before and hltv should find a way to account for this. Because its not fair. The rankings arent accurate enough as they should be and thats something if I where responsible for the rankings would not be happy with. Because I wouldnt have fufilled my job. Thats the whole point about having stats if they are inco plete... If you do them wrong then the whole placement reflection is wrong and likely has an error in it. Like some huge error as the #3, #4 and #2 placement. I wouldnt stand for that ranking.
2020-01-21 13:12
#107
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Pakistan LoOuU2 
i second you mate , you are right too. HLTV sure have messed up big time with 3 out of 4 positions in Top 4 . Players playing more maps against tougher opponents should have been given an edge of some sort against the ones who didnt played more maps against the tougher opponents . Both Device and Elige got screwed imo
2020-01-21 15:45
#106
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Brazil d4vid20 
100% agreed. Finally someone to listen to reason.
2020-01-21 13:04
40% of navi in top 5 basically...lul what hltv?
2020-01-21 15:47
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