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Teams on pro "elo hell"
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Brazil RidiculousJoke 
Here are the "tier one" teams that botch quals and are not good enough to get invites to tier 1 events (much less to win those) but still think they are too good for tier 2 events: MIBR FURIA ENCE Heroic NaVi G2 Thoughts?
2020-01-20 13:28
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MIBR and FURIA LMAOOOO Theyre not even good enough for tier 3 events
2020-01-20 13:28
MIBR maybe but other than that all those teams have beaten eachother in 2019 kinda
2020-01-20 13:32
Morocco de_dust 
G2 should be invited imo they're good enough but teams like FaZe, Astralis Liquid EG etc are much better, but G2 isnt far behind
2020-01-20 13:29
Yeah thats kinda what I mean with "elo hell" but theire just another hard carry team
2020-01-20 13:31
Morocco de_dust 
Tier 1 in order Astralis Mouz Liquid EG Fnatic FaZe Vitality 100T G2 NiP
2020-01-20 13:33
2020-01-20 13:35
Morocco de_dust 
yes go on, who should be there? they're better than FaZe Vitality etc but worse than Astralis Mouz
2020-01-20 13:36
My list would be Astralis (tie, too early to tell though) Mouz (tie) Fnatic EG (maybe) FaZe (would be higher if not so inconsistent, maybe if they had an IGL) 100T Vita G2 (hard to tell)
2020-01-20 13:38
Morocco de_dust 
so liquid are out?
2020-01-20 13:40
Yeah after late 2019, loosing to sharks, grayhound, all that and whiffing at any opportunity with a bot on the team, I say yeah its -stew of -top20
2020-01-20 13:42
Morocco de_dust 
could respect that but Astralis lost to DE and Syman and got 16-2d by faze
2020-01-20 13:43
bo1s and with FaZe u never know, I mean if you think about it, if you get peeked the right time by NiKo, cold or rain ur dead, with some bad luck everyone would get smashed by the sheer skill pressure on the other side, NiKo just poppin heads
2020-01-20 13:45
Morocco de_dust 
liquid tier 2?
2020-01-20 13:46
IMO certainly not top10 I mean they could never hope to beat those top5 rn as it is
2020-01-20 13:49
United States jay_320 
Your username is surprisingly on point for this insane assertion that Liquid aren't a tier 1 team. They are still making finals bro.
2020-01-20 15:46
I just said theire not top10, def on the top20
2020-01-28 14:13
You're just braindead thinking mouz and Astralis are equal is just cardinal sin, Thinking G2, Vitality, 100T or fuckin FaZe can match Liquid is also big mistake I bet new NaVi can easily handle FaZe or G2 with ease
2020-01-28 14:18
mouz HAS beaten astralis ffs, vita has beaten liquid (fuckin everyone has beaten lqd) and yeah without a bot I think NaVi can beat those guyz ez but then again...
2020-01-28 14:26
Ok let's give mouz #1 cuz they beat them once and it was one big FLUKE When Vitality beat Liquid, last time in Chicago Liquid mop the floor with baguettes so hard
2020-01-28 14:29
I didnt say they were better ffs, u guys just dont remember how it is to get an unreachable #1 for a while and then teams adapt to it. It was the same with NiP, then Fnatic, then SK, now its Astralis
2020-01-28 14:31
Navi >>> Faze, G2, NIP
2020-01-20 13:37
Morocco de_dust 
NaVi <<< FaZe GuardiaN < Olofmeister rn S1mple >> NiKo electronic = coldzera Flamie < Rain Boombl4 < Broky
2020-01-20 13:39
electronic = coldzera, that's the most retarded thing I have ever seen on hltv
2020-01-20 13:41
Morocco de_dust 
coldzera better than electronic sometimes electronic better than coldzera sometimes if s1mple was not on navi electronic >>> coldzera but he take kill
2020-01-20 13:41
cold isnt that good anymore but hes a good player playing the hard positions, thats good for the team (not even b8ting anymore :) )
2020-01-20 13:43
Morocco de_dust 
2020-01-20 13:44
2020-01-20 14:15
Morocco de_dust 
forgot to censor ))
2020-01-20 15:43
retard spotted
2020-01-20 19:16
Sorry but electronic can rip cold's head apart with one hand
2020-01-28 14:30
rain | 
Czech Republic CyberBOT 
I wouldn't say it's as clear as you might think. While on paper electronic is a better player stat-wise, they have evry different playstyles and play different positions. Both are amazing players and are awesome to watch. With their current form, I think electronic would win in a 1v1, but it wouldn't be as one-sided as you might think
2020-01-28 14:40
electronic = baitzera? hahahaha what a retard
2020-01-28 14:45
Russia (^_^) 
That’s called T1.5
2020-01-20 13:32
yeah its weird and makes me sad, cuz if they played more in t1 I think they had tier 1 potential 100% (eg FURIA early 2019 and 2018 ENCE, both ruined for different reasons)
2020-01-20 13:33
Russia (^_^) 
Mibr would be fine if the players had motivation again. Navi need to replace guardian asap and get boombl4 to improve his calls. Heroic are rising. Furia have been in the same level of play for ages now without much improvement (dunno a fix). G2 probably still adjusting to the big move and ENCE are just stupid lol.
2020-01-20 13:38
Yes I think on FURIA and MIBR the teams were killed by motivation, br players are too emotional, now that they have eternal good contracts they are not hungry for wins anymore, I look at 2016 LG and they were screaming with excitment, now all quiet, I see 2018 FURIA, also screaming with the hype of beating Astralis, now they dont seem to care, have no strats, arT just dies and the team crumbles if KSCERATO doesnt carry I envy the CIS teams at the major, that is motivation
2020-01-20 13:41
2020-01-20 15:47
Sorry bro, but FaZe aint on this list? For real?
2020-01-20 15:49
rain | 
Czech Republic CyberBOT 
Not anymore, they still get invites and they did improve their consistency quite a bit. I can understand you position, a few months back I would be hard-pressed to refute it
2020-01-28 14:43
fair nuff
2020-01-30 14:37
United States jay_320 
You know what's cool though. This B site thing isn't going to be as big a time sink as we think and it's going to give a lot of exposure to the T2/T1.5 Would not be surprised to see in it - Liquid, EG, C9, Gen.G, Col, Envy etc etc. I think those teams are almost confirmed. But with the Americas centric format you might also see your MIBR's and Furias. Maybe even some big European owners jump in and you see a G2 or Fnatic there. Remember Fnatic never did any Blast stuff. Maybe a Faze even with their American ownership. I know some of you Europeans will still act like this is a shitty thing but Thorin had a video I believe he said 8 weeks for the whole thing. I'm ok with that. Owners and TO's do need a way to make money past raising it from VC.
2020-01-20 15:51
Tier 1: Astralis
2020-01-28 14:21
That’s their own fault
2020-01-28 14:22
Tier 1 : Astralis, Liquid, EG, NaVi, Fnatic, FaZe, mousesports Tier 2 : G2, Ence, 100 Thieves, Vitality Tier 3 : Mibr, Furia, NiP, Virtus Pro, Big The rest is not that relevant Small explanation : Tier 1 - Teams with the highest chance of winning big tournament Tier 2 - Teams with a chance to win big tournament Tier 3 - Teams with a small chance of winning big tournament
2020-01-28 14:43
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