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United States Grishh 
Seems like the NA cs scene is just so dead. There is so little competition. We only have 2 teams that are capable of winning tourney's. Seems as if the NA scene has just lost motivation to even play CS.
2020-01-20 15:56
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#1
xsepower | 
Russia zj2 
it was never alive to begin with when did you have 3 top teams? your tier 2-3 scene is big tho
2020-01-20 15:57
#3
Maka | 
France Barburo 
When CIS did have 3 top teams ?
2020-01-20 16:02
#4
xsepower | 
Russia zj2 
never, and i never claimed so, he did tho :) but we have 3 teams in top 17 btw, and 5 top in 30 not that bad
2020-01-20 16:04
#9
Maka | 
France Barburo 
NA has 2 top team in top 5 and 3 in Top 18. Pretty the same
2020-01-20 16:11
na'vi gambit and hell raisers
2020-01-20 16:05
#6
Maka | 
France Barburo 
In the same time all of 3 top 10 ?
2020-01-20 16:05
navi and gambit was in top 10 for long time for sure, hr was decent top 10-15 team, but choking sometimes
2020-01-20 16:06
#8
Maka | 
France Barburo 
When Gambit was good, HR was top 15-20. Just like now with ATK/CLoud9 for NA
2020-01-20 16:10
in NA and CA there are none, so don't complain
2020-01-20 16:00
#10
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United States jay_320 
The scene is the best it's ever been. Now NA has roughly 1/4 of the playerbase Europe has. So you are never going to see five full North American teams in the top 10. But with EG and Liquid being potential number one in the world type squads and the talent continuing to grow in players like Floppy and Obo I'd say things are on the right track. It looks much better then somewhere like France. Not nearly as good as somewhere like Denmark. About the same as CiS. So I don't really get your assertion. Take us back two years ago and there are no potential top 1 teams from North America. Just some upset squads and a way less developed Tier 2 scene.
2020-01-20 16:23
#11
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United States Grishh 
lmao we have 2 teams. the rest are MDL level teams at best.
2020-01-20 17:15
#12
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United States jay_320 
C9 looks decent. Top 20 roster already. Gen.G looks decent. Probably a top 20 roster. Col looks like they need some time but both Rush and Obo have fragged out in just the short period we've seen them. Probably a top 20 roster. Idiots can argue about the "teams" nationality. All three teams have a young player who at least some full time analysts think will be stars in Floppy, Obo and Som. Past that yes mostly MDL teams. But man it's a whole lot better then it was in 2015/16/17.
2020-01-20 17:36
#13
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United States Grishh 
not really, maybe we didn't have a top 5 team, but at least we had TL, C9, CLG, IBP, Complexity, echo fox.....all top tier orgs, and top tier teams. now our pro scene and MDL scene seem to be the same. If we are being honest the amount of competition of CS has diminished across all regions. It's defiantly slowing down.
2020-01-20 17:51
#14
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United States jay_320 
Yeah and you had guys like PTR on those teams. We have two top 5 teams not 1 that's a pretty big change. We have several teams that are brand new. To claim it's worse is insane. You're not paying attention. 2019 was the first year NA ever really won tournaments even.
2020-01-21 09:47
#16
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United States Grishh 
fair but our top 2 teams have no competition from the rest. historically it's been the opposite. they are successful in spite of our current climate, not because of it. you can't deny it's pretty bad...
2020-01-21 19:18
ikr because for na there are tier 1 players and tier two players the tier two ones just rather stream that play professionally as it is risk-free and they can earn a lot of money
2020-01-21 09:49
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