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Cheat coder doing an AMA
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
Cheat coder doing an AMA on r/vacsucks claims he codes for pro players, from esea main to top tier. He said some pretty ridiculous shit, go have a laugh: reddit.com/r/VACsucks/comments/erkh8f/am..
2020-01-21 00:54
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#1
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
I'm spending too much time there, shit's making me lose braincells
2020-01-21 00:58
+1 Bet that guy doesn't know how to use fucking HTML
2020-01-21 01:46
He surely have some knowledge, it might be some riot member who got paid to run this thread. Thats pretty common thing nowadays
2020-01-21 12:15
#202
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Brazil hava 
idk the way he talks he sounds just like another delusional idiot. Hes randomly throwing around words like "kernel" "memory access" "boot" with no real need, just to sound smart i guess?
2020-01-21 17:56
it works on ppl who dont really know much about what he is talking about im convinced that he is fake, but I got a feeling he is not completely random person but its planned and controlled
2020-01-21 18:07
#212
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Brazil hava 
oh im sure he knows something at least. But still, i highly doubt hes coding cheats for top pros. Hell, i even doubt hes coding cheats at all. He probably watched a bunch of Dan M videos and cheat tutorials on youtube and thinks he knows a lot. I never coded a cheat in my life but im pretty sure i could have done a similar ama and i probably could give better answers or at least answers that made more sense like this one for example: reddit.com/r/VACsucks/comments/erkh8f/am.. he didnt even answer the guy's question at all and instead talked about something completely different lmao
2020-01-21 18:21
"he didnt even answer the guy's question at all " But he did? "Well, you can never be too certain." That means its not a thing he can confirm, but it could be. And then he goes on to explain how lan cheats work (he assumed we talk about lan cheats, as they said tech pause which usually happens on lantournaments). He explains they are injected in the UEFI, which means it bypasses any security checks from windows, He makes perfect sense here.
2020-01-21 21:39
#228
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Brazil hava 
that in no way answers why/how "cheats could go haywire". "You can never be too certain" is a very very very vague answer and a toddler could have told you that
2020-01-21 21:47
Because he doesnt know? Thats why he says "Well, you can never be too certain.". He doesnt know.
2020-01-21 21:49
#231
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Brazil hava 
and thats my whole point. All his answers are like that
2020-01-21 21:50
reddit.com/r/VACsucks/comments/erkh8f/am.. he answers plents of question. I dont know if his claims are legit, just poiting out you are wrong about him avoiding answering questions (besides those he excluded upfront).
2020-01-21 21:51
#233
LoOna | 
Korea ARBOGA 
he is not answering at all ??? he is so vague i could make the same ama !!! Q: Would you say esea and faceit are easy platforms to cheat on? A: ESEA and FaceIt are only easy if you know what you are doing. Think of it like having blue eyes, is it easy to have blue eyes if you have blue eyes? yes. Is it easy if you have green eyes? no. Bypasses require a lot of upfront knowledge of the CPU, Windows Internals, boot process, and a bit of deception. kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2020-01-21 21:53
Stopped reading at ARBOGA
2020-01-21 22:06
#236
LoOna | 
Korea ARBOGA 
expected that an ARBOGA hater gives that guy any credit youtu.be/v0XCDsBzI-o youtu.be/v0XCDsBzI-o youtu.be/v0XCDsBzI-o
2020-01-21 22:07
Stopped reading at ARBOGA in my notifications
2020-01-21 22:16
#234
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Brazil hava 
Im not saying hes avoiding every question (besides that one i linked). All his answers are very vague and anyone with very basic knowledge could give the same answers
2020-01-21 21:54
#79
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
Well this thread caught fire real fast.... Cheating or not cheating, EG is gonna win a major this year and probably be the best overall.
2020-01-21 02:33
This is not twitter, you don't write "oh this gained attention, here is something I wanna say"
2020-01-21 13:17
#191
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Czech Republic Rewask 
+1
2020-01-21 15:38
+1
2020-01-21 16:38
#199
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
+1
2020-01-21 17:49
#213
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
By caught fire I mean went out of control and cba reading people's dumb arguments. I didn't shoutout my fkn Instagram you dog
2020-01-21 18:38
Just go back to Twitter
2020-01-21 18:50
#220
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
Then go back to 4chan you incel fuck
2020-01-21 21:18
What makes you think that I use 4chan?
2020-01-21 21:18
#222
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
Damn you replied very fast. No life who spends all his time on hltv... get a grip
2020-01-21 21:19
You should really work on your anger problem. Your emotional balance seems to be off
2020-01-21 21:21
it's nice to know there are good users like you Linkolini, some users seems do not care about HLTV or the administration staff who work their arses off; people do not realise how much goes into maintaining a site, let alone a domain name and branding.
2020-01-21 21:25
I would love to help them 😎👍
2020-01-21 21:26
#206
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Russia steambored 
Twitter fag LUL
2020-01-21 18:01
#2
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United Kingdom Megamo10 
-says there are pros cheating - refuses to name who 0 credibility.
2020-01-21 00:58
#4
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United States PsychoLogical 
anyone saying this or that but refusing to state names or sources in anything dont deserve any credibility.
2020-01-21 01:02
I mean in this case yeah there is no credibility at all, but in journalism you can't just out whatever source you want
2020-01-21 17:29
#195
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United States Ash171 
Why would you drop your clients names? The man is not retired.
2020-01-21 17:37
#5
fat | 
United States girls 
what difference would it make if he named anyone?
2020-01-21 01:07
#19
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United Kingdom Megamo10 
0/8
2020-01-21 01:40
#40
fat | 
United States girls 
so he names zywoo as a cheater ,now what?
2020-01-21 02:05
#88
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Ukraine ReanuKeeves 
zywoo goes to jail
2020-01-21 02:47
#91
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United Kingdom Megamo10 
y
2020-01-21 02:49
#39
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United States JoshDAA 
The difference would be to see if his accusation is actually true
2020-01-21 02:05
#42
fat | 
United States girls 
how? lmao
2020-01-21 02:06
#51
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United States JoshDAA 
Lets say he said S1mple cheated, now everybody is going to pressure s1mple to say if he cheats or doesnt, so saying that somebody cheats will ruin his reputation due to not being a coder for pro players
2020-01-21 02:14
#82
fat | 
United States girls 
> now everybody is going to pressure s1mple to say if he cheats or doesnt what?
2020-01-21 02:39
#184
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United States JoshDAA 
I fucked up that sentence my b, i meant that now everybody will try to find out if he actually cheats, like make a to check the pc while they are playing in a tourny or just look back at old games to see fishy clips or aimbot errors
2020-01-21 14:18
XDDD
2020-01-21 12:16
If he is actually cheating then we want his reputation to be ruined since he would take legal steps against the cheat coder if what he said was wrong
2020-01-21 13:18
i mean u dont need to be smart to see that something fishy is going on. ever since kqly and the other guys were busted at first, this random wall locks close to a target were made more and more often by people. even when there is no sound suddenly flick close to a target then take position and wait till he comes. i believe some use some lock on cheats for scouting and io think awp players would be the best example to use this.
2020-01-21 17:55
#210
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United States JoshDAA 
So you think that after pro players were caught hacking, more pro players decided to hack
2020-01-21 18:13
#211
ritch | 
United Kingdom Meffus 
By that logic no professional athlete would ever take PEDs because of the thousands of them caught using in the past. People will always find a way to gain even the slightest amount of advantage when ever a significant of money is involved. Don't under estimate them.
2020-01-21 18:17
HLTV logic at it’s finest
2020-01-22 00:11
i hate cheaters with the passion of burning jesus, but if i were him why would i disclose such info? i'd lose my cashcows.
2020-01-21 03:06
+1
2020-01-21 09:24
#8
tarik | 
Yugoslavia bleaq 
what good can come off of that lmao, he would only lose potential customers or existing ones
2020-01-21 01:10
#18
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United Kingdom Megamo10 
I could make the same thread and everyone would believe I make cheats which pros use ..ok
2020-01-21 01:40
#28
tarik | 
Yugoslavia bleaq 
no one would believe you're capable enough to do anything
2020-01-21 01:59
Dude it's reddit I don't even think the "cheat coder" can use HTML
2020-01-21 04:07
I read a third of it and he names Elige (not directly), but he's probably bullshitting anyway
2020-01-21 02:29
#190
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United Kingdom Megamo10 
He said he PM'd me the names but he didnt Haha. Just to convince others. No one would lie about that and try to trick someone unless it wasn't true
2020-01-21 15:36
"the animation glitch on Elige is certainly something I have noticed before and fixed in my cheat." i dont believe this guy one word but he dropped a few "hints" vacsucks subreddit is full of idiots anyway
2020-01-21 08:17
#174
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Albania jigglepeek 
thE coNcePT tAlKs tHE trUthS!!!!!
2020-01-21 12:30
#163
Magisk | 
Europe s1xX 
he couldn't give 2 fucks about your credibility notice, keeping the privacy of your clientele is more important than to prove some kid something.
2020-01-21 11:33
#188
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United Kingdom Megamo10 
Then what's the point of the thread if there's no proof thay he isn't a 12 yr old making it all up
2020-01-21 15:30
he will probably get broke when he leaks a name soooo....
2020-01-21 13:18
its his business? if he provides ppl with cherat and then names him its literally a scam.
2020-01-21 17:48
#3
mika | 
Spain VIKTORAL 
lmao, we knew absolutely everything of this, all pros cheat it isnt a secret
2020-01-21 01:02
#6
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
Bruv pros can't even hide roster moves, how tf do you want them to hide an entire "complot" My man said he believes all the scene, from players to talents to journalists is fake....
2020-01-21 01:09
#95
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Ukraine ReanuKeeves 
That's like saying Earth is flat and all astronomers in the world are in on it.
2020-01-21 02:51
#7
Jerry | 
Brunei BruneiMen 
Im also a cheatcoder. So you can ask me questions here so you dont need to use Reddit
2020-01-21 01:09
#9
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
Mods there seem to have "verified" him lmao
2020-01-21 01:12
Hahaha, why am i not surprised. Give info and proof or stfu.
2020-01-21 01:14
#15
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
They like to play it mysterious and shit
2020-01-21 01:32
#141
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Brazil Collee 
xDDD
2020-01-21 08:39
#24
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Hungary mEZENCEphalon 
can you make bionicles in csgo?
2020-01-21 01:57
Hell yeah! Gonna make them player models
2020-01-21 02:04
michael douglas!
2020-01-21 01:14
cheat coders know nothing about pro scene because nobody is stupid enough to cheat at pro level for LAN events, /closed
2020-01-21 01:17
imagine cheating at multiple million dollar tournaments coming up on a background check
2020-01-21 01:37
Yeah nobody ever doped in sports.
2020-01-21 09:21
#27
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Lithuania arres 
haha, check Lance Armstrong's case and to what extent he took his cheating. Why do you think cs pros don't cheat especialy since it's a lot easier?
2020-01-21 01:59
#31
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
We got a smartass in here boys
2020-01-21 02:01
Why do you think they do cheat?
2020-01-21 02:01
#37
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Lithuania arres 
same reasons people cheat in any other field
2020-01-21 02:04
Brilliant Your reasoning is that some people would want to for money and fame. Amazing proof you have there.
2020-01-21 02:11
#60
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Lithuania arres 
Oof, you burned me. Please someone come to me with some water.
2020-01-21 02:20
#65
OK | 
Peru TheJuan 
Here: 💦💦💦
2020-01-21 02:24
#101
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Ukraine ReanuKeeves 
Dude that's cum
2020-01-21 02:56
#104
OK | 
Peru TheJuan 
It was an emergency I had to improvise!!
2020-01-21 03:00
#105
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Ukraine ReanuKeeves 
That's what he said.
2020-01-21 03:02
Yes that is what he said
2020-01-21 08:52
ah yes, in a scene where nobody can keep a csgo roster from leaking you believe entire teams can shut up about something like cheating, sounds reasonable to me! would like to know who you think cheat btw :)
2020-01-21 02:01
#56
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Lithuania arres 
Have you heard about Russia's doping scandal? Do you even imagine how much more complex and how many more people were involved here? In cs situation you just need to not tell anyone about your cheats. You think it is unreasonable to think that someone probably cheats in cs pro scene and literaly in every field and sport you can think of there are cheaters? And yet cs is somehow free of them? I have no idea who cheats, I just think it's unreasonable to think nobody in pro scene cheats.
2020-01-21 02:17
I'm talking about on LAN, online I'm sure some semi pros probably cheat. LAN I don't believe anyone is cheating currently and is a pro earning an income.
2020-01-21 02:20
#66
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Lithuania arres 
That's like saying "I'm sure some 2nd league bike riders use doping, but I don't believe anyone on tour de france is doing that". I repeat myself but oh wait, have you heard about lance armstrong? Do you think it is impossible to cheat on LAN? With all the personal gear you are allowed to use?
2020-01-21 02:24
difference is cycling you can't see the bloodstream or shit, on CSGO you can tell if someone has assistance if they consistently do it in games.. so pray tell which pros you think are cheating? (btw, as said before, pros are allowed to bring their configs with them, like crosshair settings etc on an USB stick which is then checked through. I know a pro said this but I can't remember who, its annoying me lol)
2020-01-21 02:28
#87
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Lithuania arres 
What are you talking about? They do blood and urine tests for athletes so in theory they literaly see their blood stream. There's just ways to bypass that. I.E. fucking blood transfusions and internal second bladders. Do you even know wtf are you talking about? For cs even a noob like me would be able to make a custom keyboard with a switch that switches between keyboard cord and a cord to a hidden flash drive inside of it. You switch to USB and BOOM you have cheats on your pc on lan. And you think that hackers who specialises in this field, knows ins and outs of both software and hardware can't think of sophisticated and basicaly imposible to spot solutions if you don't know where to look for cheating? Even that dumb ass indian guy who was caught would've gotten away with it if he wasn't so blatant. And why are you so stuck up for me to name pros who are cheating. I already told you I don't know, I hope none, but I think it's unreasonable to think none of them do.
2020-01-21 02:48
Okay, I don't know how your way of thinking helps anything, that's all. All it does is hurt the CSGO scene when new players come to forums to see this aimless witchhunting. #85
2020-01-21 02:48
#96
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Lithuania arres 
Yep, just like atheism hurts people because they drag people away from their lives in fairy tales and they are so comfortable there.
2020-01-21 02:52
please explain to me how it is helpful. as the "cheat coder" says in the reddit thread, it will never not be possible to cheat on LAN. what do you want out of it? This is incomparable to atheism btw.
2020-01-21 02:54
#111
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Lithuania arres 
I don't think it's either helpful or damaging. I'm just sharing my thoughts which I think are well argumented. It is very comparable to atheism. The situations are analogues. You say I damage people's will by saying my thoughs about this cheating thing. And believers say that atheism is damaging people's will by saying their thoughts about god. Both are hard pills to swallow for people living in a fairy tales about god and for people living in their cheat-free pro scene because it's not possible to cheat on lan somehow.
2020-01-21 03:25
it is possible to cheat on lan. no problem accepting that. you are entitled to think players cheat and i am entitled not to, there is nothing that can prove either of us otherwise anyway. i don't believe anybody in the top 20 ranking cheat, for example.
2020-01-21 03:27
Arres, you're a legit dude. Finally someone with a sound logical thought and cleverly presenting solid arguments. Anyone that doesnt at least consider the possibility of a substancial amount of pro players being cheating is either an ignorant or an imbecile.
2020-01-21 03:51
thats all well and done but this mindset changes nothing, and leads to retarded witchhunting of players (r/vacsucks/)
2020-01-21 14:22
All that passion in defending cheating/scum behavior of people that have zero respect for the competitive spirit is starting to make me wonder what kind of person you are. Cheaters are scum of the earth that deserve to die in a fire. No one is pulling off their pitchforks, all we're asking is for a better anti-cheating control.
2020-01-21 17:22
then by all means support a good client-side anticheat which is applicable to LAN events. I would not think cheaters are people who deserve that much harsh punishment, they are people like you and me. But I agree they should be removed from the pro scene if they exist there. The words you use are just inflammatory and hurts the scene more than helps it. I am a fair person, and you seem like a bitter one. Valve won't listen to you if all you do is type angry emotional words. I'm just saying.
2020-01-21 17:40
They might be a person like you, but they're definitely not a person like me. Anyone cheating and taking advantage is someone without any regard to the competitive spirit. I 100% would not want to be winning against someone who is clearly in a disadvantage, im not a coward and i have values. I want to feel good in knowing i achieved a victory by my own hard work. Cheaters are scum of the earth and deserve to die in a fire. Attacking cheating is the only way to go. We're way past diplomacy. If you defend cheaters, you're part of the problem.
2020-01-21 17:59
you sound like libtards saying death to all conservative voters, an extreme and frankly retarded mindset. hf and hope you will get over your bitterness in future
2020-01-21 18:51
#176
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Albania jigglepeek 
gosh... if a cyclist can compete with other cyclist who are doping, than he must dope too. no way a clean cyclist could be better
2020-01-21 12:43
#71
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
Hardware cheats that could be written into a keyboards/mouses memory?
2020-01-21 02:28
Have a hard time believing a player could cheat like that in all the LAN events and never have consistent fishy clips or something bugging out.
2020-01-21 02:29
#81
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
Bro it's 2020 I'm not saying that there is cheaters in csgo pro scene for a 100% but the technology we have now ls insane and if we where to believe the guy on reddit thab the possibility of an ai learning cheat that adjusts to the players play style is possible. Look, pro players won't need to use something blatant like a low fov aimbiot cause that could be caught out on fishy clips, I think the cheats they would use would just give them a slight advantage by moving the crosshair by pixel amounts to just make sure the player hits a hs or something of sorts. With the right type of money anything is possible and let's face it, csgo brings in a lot of cash for pro players. If valve can make an ai system that detects cheaters and submits their demos to overwatch then I'm sure a pro cheat coder could make something like that too.
2020-01-21 02:37
i look forward to the potential day when valve makes a proper client-side anticheat and updates it. never mind, people will still accuse pros of cheating from day one if this was put in place. Is it possible if a pro really wanted to try? Yes. Is there currently a pro at tier 1 cheating? No, but that's just my opinion. I'm just baffled because some people think every pro is cheating when i'm 100% that isn't the case. you are free to think that they do cheat, but how does thinking like that improve anything? if you constantly think players better than you are cheating, i think there's something wrong with that mentality. hence why r/vacsucks is retarded witchhunting. it helps nobody, and especially not the csgo scene.
2020-01-21 02:43
#93
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
For me the csgo scene is long dead anyway, the game is not installed on my pc anymore so I don't really care if a pro player cheats or not, I just like to discuss it. Imo there is maybe 1 or 2 pro players that cheat speaking statistically, the money is there for them to make and remember, money talks... The technokogy is there so it's quite plausible. I don't like witch hunting since it's unfair, innocent until proven otherwise is the way I like to go about it. Either way fuck this game the community ruined it for me
2020-01-21 02:50
Battleye is solution for mms but gaben is just too dumb
2020-01-21 12:42
valve doesnt give a toss about MM, and cheaters have a big part in the playerbase, to put an aggressive intrusive AC would mean a lot of the playerbase would be lost, both legit and not legit. But if there could be an anticheat which can read mouse input and game input and detect the differences on LAN (i.e. an anticheat which wouldn't work on online tournaments etc, just for LAN), that would shut up a lot of people. I don't understand how such an anticheat is not put in place already (Or maybe it is, and the TOs avoid talking about it)
2020-01-21 14:28
There are literally dozens of fishy clips. WTF are you on about? Like the coder said, and like any logical people would presume, it's far easier to cheat online. Even though it's harder to cheat on LAN, it's still very possible, and there are many clips of strange things happening. Personally i believe there are some pros cheating, few "always" but the majority probably cycle the use between teammates to avoid suspicion, all it takes is one or two to aimlock through walls to take information for the team. They aren't blatantly cheating, they're doing it subtly so there's plausible deniability, a few locks here and there, the aimlock is configured to be intentionally off-center to the enemy so it never centers dead-on. etc.
2020-01-21 04:03
lItErAllY dOzEnS oF fIsHy cLiPs anybody can move their mouse and their crosshair lands on someone. i've gone for wallbang shots through weird spots and got a ridiculous hs which even i would think was cheating if i was the other team. maybe play a little more cs i dont think as many cheat as you think
2020-01-21 04:59
#138
NEO | 
Canada chedca 
youtube.com/watch?v=iUPfG4r2Ttg&feature=.. ^ he was just made Chief Operating Officer of the Counterstrike Professional Players Association
2020-01-21 08:32
looks like he just had a brainfart of thinking the player dropped behind him rather than in front of him lol. the mouse movements don't look suspicious, he's not aimlocking, if he was ever infolocking he would know that player is in front of him so why would he turn around? Just 0iq moment, this isn't cheating at all
2020-01-21 14:32
#214
NEO | 
Canada chedca 
LOL
2020-01-21 18:46
clearly you are max gn2, sorry
2020-01-21 18:50
Of course CS has had cheaters, even in the pro scene, but I think it's unreasonable to think tier 1 pros cheat on LAN. CS is completely different to normal sports; they're playing on other people's computers. Saying that people definitely cheat because they do in other sports is not a relevant arguement.
2020-01-21 02:27
#74
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Lithuania arres 
So you think it is impossible to cheat on LAN because they are not using their computers?
2020-01-21 02:29
Of course not. What I'm saying is that just because it's possible doesn't mean it happens. Also, the fact they are not using their own computers makes it a lot harder than in sports like biking where you are using your own body.
2020-01-21 02:30
#92
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Lithuania arres 
Are you 12 or what? You are so innocent
2020-01-21 02:49
All I'm saying is that there's no proof that anybody is cheating in CS, and it appears to be harder to cheat on LAN than in a sport like biking. Why does everybody have to assume the worst thing is always true? If there's a reason to, such as an example of a tier 1 player cheating on LAN and getting exposed for it, I would understand your viewpoint, but based on the current facts, I think you're being a paranoid idiot.
2020-01-21 02:53
#98
OK | 
Peru TheJuan 
But, is he wrong??
2020-01-21 02:53
#107
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Lithuania arres 
Of course. "just because it's possible doesn't mean it happens" long history of the world says otherwise "the fact they are not using their own computers makes it a lot harder than in sports like biking where you are using your own body." saying that if you can't use your pc on LAN makes harder to cheat is the same as saying that it's harder to go from point A to point B with taxi because you are not driving with your own car. As for biking, it's way harder to cheat because if you use doping. It's not like you pop a pill before race and you are hyped and then it is visible for a short period of time. Doping is a constant long term process which changes your blood chemical/hormonal balance and thus incimentaly increasing your performance over that long term which is easily detectable in blood and urine samples which athletes always do after the race. So with computers it's undeniably easier. You might as well be mining a bitcoin for someone in your background when you are typing here on hltv and no antivirus available for you nor you will ever know that. You might just think sometimes "hm, why my fan is so loud... Oh it's probably to much dust there" So yes, he is absolutely wrong
2020-01-21 03:06
#110
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Peru TheJuan 
But, at high tier LANs, there are admins watching over players, anti cheats installed in the player’s computers. So there is a high chance that someone cheating would get caught. I dont see why any top tier player would risk getting caught and damaging, not only their image, but the game’s image in the eyes of the public.
2020-01-21 03:20
#113
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Lithuania arres 
Admins watching over players... lol ok, they are definitely not using wallhacks, I agree on that. Do you even know what cheats are available to public? You probably heard about soft aimlocks? How admins sitting behind would spot that. You can think of any unnoticable sign to give info for you - you press hot key and one small nudge mouse down - Ts are going A, two small nudges - Ts are going B. You can think of any small detail to give the information. Then you reposition for a quicker retake, etc. These small details makes difference at the highest level. And autoaim triggers that works by immitating human movement speed with a bended line to enemy is things that I just thought would be super useful and super hard to detect when watching. And you think if you put your thought to it, you wouldn't be able to come up with useful ways to cheat? Admins behind you are the least of the problems when you want to cheat. As for the anticheats... Do you think esea use different systems for lan than they use for their subscribtion system? It's possible but I doubt that. "I dont see why any top tier player would risk getting caught and damaging, not only their image, but the game’s image in the eyes of the public." I don't see why any top tier tour de france bicyclist would risk getting caught and damaging, not only their image, but the sport’s image in the eyes of the public. And yet, here we are
2020-01-21 03:43
#157
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United States caliprep 
Youre destroying that guy with logic. People make it seem like its so absurd to cheat in the pro scene, its almost fucking laughable.
2020-01-21 09:35
#160
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Lithuania arres 
Not almost, it really is laughable. Its almost like a religion. I dont get why people blindly dismiss everything. There are so many high profile players having super fishy plays.
2020-01-21 11:20
Bro, that shit has already been proven a ton of times before. It's not just your belief; it's a fact.
2020-01-21 02:41
a fact that players cheat in csgo, yes I agree
2020-01-21 02:44
#35
WARDELL | 
Canada ZHF 
found the /r/vacsucks user
2020-01-21 02:01
#58
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Lithuania arres 
I'm not even registered on reddit you dumbo
2020-01-21 02:18
#63
WARDELL | 
Canada ZHF 
idk you'd fit well in that sub
2020-01-21 02:22
#67
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Lithuania arres 
and it looks like you fit here very well
2020-01-21 02:25
#70
WARDELL | 
Canada ZHF 
I do! Very smart people here
2020-01-21 02:27
what part of "on LAN events" do you not grasp? (other than forsaken, because he's an idiot)
2020-01-21 02:06
#44
MSL | 
Russia MeowZer 
forsaken just dont have money for expensive hax and good pros have and all pro players say its very easy to cheat on lan
2020-01-21 02:10
pls link all pro players saying this, and can you tell me which players you think are cheating or is it a general "all pro players are too good... cheating...." thought?
2020-01-21 02:12
#59
MSL | 
Russia MeowZer 
i have to link you about every cs go player?))))))))) for example team navi think that youtube.com/watch?v=rlMjrlLrSjQ personally i think that now nobody cheating but im 100% sure that flusha shox and byali were cheating 3-4 years ago
2020-01-21 02:19
alright, fair enough if you think this about past events. I don't believe they cheat now, and in the past we probably will never know for sure.
2020-01-21 02:21
ah yes, 2012 when csgo was a big scene and had the same standards as today
2020-01-21 02:13
forsaken is a good example, imagine he would have money and buy a propper cheat with propper setup. he would still be cheating up to this point.
2020-01-21 17:58
None of these pros in the past five years other than v$m were even close to being tier 1. Even then v$m's VAC ban was on an old account, it wasn't during LAN. This proves nothing bro
2020-01-21 02:14
#53
WARDELL | 
Canada ZHF 
+1
2020-01-21 02:15
#47
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United States caliprep 
Do you remember that doofus Forsaken. What about Flusha and that random USB stick on his computer.
2020-01-21 02:11
#43 in this reply tree also "random usb stick" I believe somewhere on stream a pro said that they can bring their settings/configs in on an USB and it is checked through by admins on LAN beforehand. I forget which pro said it though
2020-01-21 02:15
flat earthers of cs:go
2020-01-21 01:23
#14
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
+1000
2020-01-21 01:31
#21
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CIS Hentaiisgay 
+1
2020-01-21 01:43
#29
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Lithuania arres 
#27
2020-01-21 02:00
#30
WARDELL | 
Canada ZHF 
+1
2020-01-21 02:00
+1
2020-01-21 02:01
+1
2020-01-21 02:15
#122
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World Beard43 
+1
2020-01-21 04:04
#140
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Australia Chereska 
+1
2020-01-21 08:37
Expected from Redditors
2020-01-21 01:39
+1
2020-01-21 09:17
#20
OK | 
Peru TheJuan 
He should man up and do that on HLTV
2020-01-21 01:40
+1 Juan
2020-01-21 01:57
#57
OK | 
Peru TheJuan 
Thank meyern
2020-01-21 02:18
#23
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Bulgaria cuddleslut 
Imagine believing this fag
2020-01-21 01:52
pretty hard to not believe with this much knowledge
2020-01-21 13:20
#26
WARDELL | 
Canada ZHF 
/r/vacsucks makes /r/globaloffensive look like CSGO mega minds
2020-01-21 01:59
#135
NEO | 
Canada chedca 
ZHF Signed up 2019-03-17
2020-01-21 07:48
#177
WARDELL | 
Canada ZHF 
Your HLTV account age doesn’t show how long you’ve been following CS lol
2020-01-21 13:12
#215
NEO | 
Canada chedca 
get out of here noob!
2020-01-21 18:47
#238
WARDELL | 
Canada ZHF 
never!
2020-01-21 22:39
#41
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United States caliprep 
Take the UFC for example. This organization probably hast the most stringest level of anti-doping measures and testing in any professional sports. They use USADA (an independent organization separate from the UFC ) which literally goes to the fighters houses and randomly test them on the spot, at unlimited frequency. Before USADA, a lot of fighters use to cycle their steroid or PED usage, but USADA prevented most of this by randomly and frequently testing fighters off and on training seasons. YET....fighters are STILL popping hot on drug tests, and caught using PEDs. Now look at the PRO CS scene, is there anybody going to these gamers houses and scanning for cheat codes? What about Lan? Is anbody using fresh fucking PC's and are the team members physically screened for USBs or any electronics before the event starts? So In my honest opinion, there is definitely cheating at the highest level of CS and ITS WAYYYYYY FUCKING easier to GET AWAY WITH IT. The only thing thats preventing cheating at that level, are the players dignity and fear of irreversible career ending consequence if they get caught. This doofus on Reddit may or may not be credible, but what he is saying is definitely plausible. Cheats designed for pros won't be blantant wall hacks/aim locks that you typically see on lower level game. Theyre minor adjustment and enhancements to the gamer's play style, like enhancement of mouse movement or aim. Still cheating regardless, but this sort of cheating DEFINITELY fucking exist without a doubt.
2020-01-21 02:08
#54
tarik | 
Yugoslavia bleaq 
tbh who cares about career ending consequences when you're already deep in cash by the time you get caught. the pattern seems to be they cheat for a year or so, get mad money, then make a roster change or smth and go into obscurity slowly with the excuse "nah man we just suck all of a sudden" after you earned hella cash and lay low and be settled for good.
2020-01-21 02:15
examples?
2020-01-21 03:51
#124
tarik | 
Yugoslavia bleaq 
literally every "era" had someone cheating, going back to envyus & probably nip in '13-'14, then fnatic and vp after, then sk gaming and faze, some NA teams in between, now whoever is trying to take astralis off the throne
2020-01-21 04:08
#136
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Ethiopia sexiestuser 
faze?
2020-01-21 08:01
if u come to my house tomorrow i can code ur usb memory with trigger or sound esp within 30 minute and im not even a good coder, i just did some university stuff and some testing.
2020-01-21 18:00
thanks i am laughing now
2020-01-21 02:23
#68
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
Your welcome
2020-01-21 02:26
#73
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Poland Hanse 
Dunno dude, he have some points. Wouldn't call it 100% fake, althrough I'm totaly sure that - when mentioning pros - he means some randoms under top 30
2020-01-21 02:29
+1
2020-01-21 02:37
#109
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
Would be retarded to pay for cheats but still be a t3 noob, he said all the scene is fake and everyone knows about it.
2020-01-21 03:18
#77
Lithuania Aurr 
AI that tracks your movement patterns and then adapts to 3D environment is some next level stuff. Yall dont get how difficult is to code something like this. And i really highly doubt that there is something like this available on the market. It would take months to code something like this and people who have such knowledge in coding dont waste their time coding cheats for cs players. It is possible though. About cheating in a pro scene - thats 100% true. There are pro cheaters in tier1 level and below. You must be absolutely insane to think otherwise
2020-01-21 02:35
#83
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
Side job in spare time maybe?
2020-01-21 02:40
#94
Lithuania Aurr 
Ill mention myself again- AI as he described is really difficult to code. Thats not something you want to do on a side because it would take incredible amount of time to make it work and would not be as profitable. imo it doesnt make sence because with skills like this he could be making much much more money by free lancing on some easy jobs in contrast of creating an ai. Its just not worth it. :D Thats just my opinion, but i am almost certain that this guy is full of bs. Also he mentioned that coding cheats is his primary job.
2020-01-21 02:51
#100
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
Ye but what you are saying is also complete bullshit, maybe he already made his money in another job and he just does this for fun now while also making money doing it, and making ai like that isn't as hard nowadays as you think... You saying that you are almost certain that he is bullshiting is just like you being almost certain that device or simple cheat.
2020-01-21 02:55
xD
2020-01-21 02:58
#103
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
Nice reply there bud, how old are you again? 10 lmao
2020-01-21 02:59
do you happen to work with ai programming?
2020-01-21 03:52
I must be insane to not believe something without proof?
2020-01-21 08:56
i mean look at the technology humanity has right now, i think for a basement dweller from the NSA its easy to code such a stuff.
2020-01-21 18:01
this is hella scary, humanity is close to fully developed AI and ppl say its not possible to cheat on lan :o 2017 there was this roboter that did a heart surgery 1 hour faster than avarage doctor. like wtf
2020-01-21 18:09
How many accounts do u have little man
2020-01-22 16:38
actually only 2 one where i experience with codeing and the other just to play with mates legit.
2020-01-22 17:18
What about brain? Do you experience with brains?
2020-01-23 01:50
Cheating to secure a pro contract and qualify for high-tier LANs is viable and makes sense. Once you are earning a salary and you are attending these LANs, the risk vs. reward of cheating is extremely infeasible. You are better off stealing a paycheck for a year and getting kicked for being trash on LAN than getting caught at any point. I've seen people post clips of "cheats" from tier 1 LANs in dead rubber games when the score is 14-3. That makes zero sense whatsoever. Nobody in their right mind would do that.
2020-01-21 02:48
like NAF? well. 14-3 is a great moment to cheat for the -3 team, because it's a comeback possibility
2020-01-21 03:53
ppl think pros cant cheat in lan/net cuz they dont see anything different in ther aim or cuz their favorite player is "too cool" to do this, no... its cuz YOU dont know shit and doesnt know how aimbot WORKS, if you have game sense you'll never be banned/caught , you dont need to cheat every round or with every weapon... + expensive cheats are best
2020-01-21 03:11
#143
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United States caliprep 
+1 Seriously, how do HLTVers not understand this concept. Not every pro is going to be super fucking obvious like forsaken. Jeez use your common sense guys
2020-01-21 08:49
+1
2020-01-21 11:37
natural/legit proscene/steroids(private-build) simple end of story
2020-01-21 03:54
Grimmz DrDisrespect and shroud are cheaters. convince me otherwise
2020-01-21 03:55
#164
LoOna | 
Korea ARBOGA 
yeah i can o ly agree that drdisrespect is a cheater
2020-01-21 11:36
#125
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Australia |bruh| 
great proof.
2020-01-21 04:20
The obly reason cheat coders do that is money. Should be semt to jaiø everyone
2020-01-21 04:32
of course
2020-01-21 04:53
Honestly, I have been bandwagoning the thought at certain points of the game, that a lot of pros were cheating. Some more than others (flusha the most extreme example). However I do not believe for a second, that this guy actually provides anyone remotely close to the top 50 with cheats. I do believe there are cheaters out there, but I don't believe they're in the immediate top of the game. This guy is tossing around basic programming terms, knowledge you can get off of a few "how to code cheat"-youtube videos and just common sense. I don't believe for a second, that this guy actually has any real inside information into the possibility of cheaters in the pro scene. Since the "cheating" (or at least the witch hunt for cheaters) peaked, and has now withered away to almost nothing - a lot of the top teams have dropped off. Almost no teams apart from Astralis and Liquid are performing consistently. No teams relying heavily on individual firepower thrives anymore, because nobody has a stable level of being an absolute monster anymore. I mean, apart from ZyWoo and s1mple, but they're generational talents.
2020-01-21 05:09
generational cheating godz even with cheats you need practice ye
2020-01-21 06:12
the flaw is % of profit. how would he enforce that without complete exposure?
2020-01-21 05:11
#189
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United Kingdom Megamo10 
+1
2020-01-21 15:32
So, pros cheating or not? Vacnet working good?
2020-01-21 06:06
Cheaters are bad people! /closed
2020-01-21 06:18
Imagine wasting 5k~10k in cheats instead of having fun with some hookers lol
2020-01-21 07:05
Wasting 5-10k to make 100k in winning prizes seems decent
2020-01-21 08:32
still paying 10k for pixels
2020-01-21 10:24
r/vacsucks never ceases to amaze me. Incel cucks of the highest order
2020-01-21 08:41
I clicked the link for a laugh but I'm surprised about the replies. He actually appear to know what's talking about... interesting in the end
2020-01-21 08:59
#149
xsepower | 
Russia zj2 
Not really, i mean i dont code hacks but i couldve did the same ama , his answers are pretty generic and obvious He definitely knows stuff but u cant say if he is amateur or an expert He didnt convince me
2020-01-21 09:12
Reddit
2020-01-21 09:04
You don't need to be an expert to answer this, VAC is a joke, it doesn't even try to prevent cheats, it's acknowledged universally. VAC just scans for files of known cheats, that's it. VACNet on the other hand is a different monster. It's suicide. It works horribly, it pairs some legit players with cheaters constantly. People are quitting because of it, most pros never play MM anymore because of it. Anyone who gets reported gets automatically put into low trust factor. This is why FaceIT is thriving these days. even he knows how pathetic valve is
2020-01-21 09:06
#151
xsepower | 
Russia zj2 
What do you mean "even he" Its a common knowledge
2020-01-21 09:14
#154
xsepower | 
Russia zj2 
Didnt read the whole reply about VAC initially because i knew what it would be , but i read it now thanks for showing it, this guy is joking or what ?? He gave it away saying all this bullshit about VACnet
2020-01-21 09:22
why you care so much about who cheats. where there's competition there is always a cheater. but imo guys like s1mple, elige dont cheat. just remember that these guys are the absolute best talent the world has available. we are talking about 0.00001%. ill use guitarists as an example. the average guy will play for 10 years and be only good at best, but guys like petrucci are inhuman and nobody ever sets goals to be as good as him. people need to underatand that talent plays a big role even in games. if you accept that these guys have elite genetics for cs then it becomes easier to understand why their aim is so unbelievably good.
2020-01-21 09:21
#156
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United States caliprep 
2020-01-21 09:32
#158
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Europe men) 
nt
2020-01-21 09:40
#166
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Russia (^_^) 
These are the most basic kills I've seen.
2020-01-21 11:39
are you best aimer? no (jw best)
2020-01-21 13:27
#161
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Russia (^_^) 
Lol idiota
2020-01-21 11:31
#162
LoOna | 
Korea ARBOGA 
the github shit he links is only vac undetectable ??? also how can u trust him ???
2020-01-21 11:33
#167
xsepower | 
Russia zj2 
i mean it isnt that bad and that guy (ekknod) is well above your average uc coder, but, i was surprised too as well, like a super master hacker like him (AMA guy) wouldnt even know about this obs shit i would imagine xD the main purpose of ekknods hack was to bypass eac, and maybe it was bypassing faceit client in the beggining too, im not sure, but his cheat is ~3 years old, so its reasonable that its only VAC proof now, i guess he found a better method and thats why he realeased it to public also the stuff he said about VACNet is 90% bullshit imo, nobody knows how it works except for what valve told us (or maybe he is valve employee 👀), and he is taking shit out of his ass i'd say he is 90% lying, and all of his answers are generic and obvious
2020-01-21 11:43
#168
LoOna | 
Korea ARBOGA 
agree and why are they talking about vacnet, i thought it was about the cheating in pro scene. not spinbotters in mm xD
2020-01-21 11:45
#171
xsepower | 
Russia zj2 
exactly, i thought about this too lol, personally i think his whole reply about VACNet gave it all away
2020-01-21 11:47
reddit idiotas
2020-01-21 11:46
#170
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Russia (^_^) 
I understand the jealously people have towards players who are better than them, but you have to realise that these pros have 10000+ hours on this game. They are bound to have better aim, gamesense, crosshair placement, teamwork, communication literally every aspect of the game. There are many 'fishy' clips of pros aimlocking through walls etc. This is common and if you actually cared enough to improve your game and watch your own demos you'd realise there are a few of these 'fishy' clips in your games too. With flusha he had a reputation of being a cheater therefore people were looking through his demos more often watching every round, every game he played to find the slightest bit of evidence to destroy his career. 'But.. but.. you don't see any fishy clips from flusha anymore, he MUST HAVE CHEATED!!'. Maybe he did or maybe he just improved his game so he didn't make as much mistakes as he did like panicking and aiming at a random wall that coincidentally managed to land on an enemy behind it. Also I'm seeing people compare cheating in csgo to doing performance enhancing drugs in real sports which imo is a pretty stupid comparison.
2020-01-21 11:47
i wonder how they verified him
2020-01-21 13:25
#197
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Israel zainshelsus 
i feel like whether anyone actually cheats or not, the conversation should definitely be had and we as viewers of the game should incourage full transparency and stronger anti cheats whether it be Faceit or actual tournament organizers, either way we'll be the last people to suffer if some people are actually proven to use cheats...
2020-01-21 17:44
the problem is, u cant get anywhere close to a private cheat with anti cheat programs. u will need something like synched keyboardclick logs,mousecams and not even that will make it anything special.
2020-01-21 17:49
#219
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Germany Jixxahh_CS 
The way he talks shows that he didn’t even touched any code in his life, lol.
2020-01-21 18:55
its on the internet so it must be true
2020-01-21 21:25
#229
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
99% of pro cheating, hltv and talent covering up the conspiracy
2020-01-21 21:49
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