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mantuu | 
Poland misterr_ 
Please answer seriously :) strawpoll.me/19281162
2020-01-21 15:25
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Israel /close
2020-01-21 15:26
#3
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Poland PanArek 
obviously
2020-01-21 15:26
They invented jews
2020-01-21 15:27
#9
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Poland PanArek 
+1
2020-01-21 15:27
Lol
2020-01-21 15:31
#24
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Germany HLTV_GERMANY 
reported.
2020-01-21 15:40
Wtf men I thought we are friends
2020-01-21 15:48
#207
Monkey | 
Poland $o$ 
Haha what a stupid person
2020-01-21 22:44
Israel wasn't even a country are you okay?
2020-01-21 15:40
#8
2020-01-21 15:41
How the fuck can Israel invent Jews if Israel was created in 1948?????? Heloooooo?????
2020-01-21 15:46
Anyway Israel's fault
2020-01-21 15:47
You need a life bro. Seek help.
2020-01-21 15:47
Come down to Swansea well go to the pub
2020-01-21 15:52
No thank you. I live in Swansea and wouldn't even waste my time traveling to a pub to see you. You are a waste of oxygen.
2020-01-21 15:57
Where you from saaaan
2020-01-21 15:58
#93
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United Kingdom Megamo10 
I'm from carmarthennn
2020-01-21 17:22
One of my lecturers is from there Shes sound 😎👍
2020-01-21 19:08
#134
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United Kingdom Megamo10 
Is she hot? What does she lecture?
2020-01-21 19:38
Shes pretty fit for a 50 year old Ngl I'd fuck her
2020-01-21 20:18
#153
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United Kingdom Megamo10 
Haha What does she lecture?
2020-01-21 20:22
Ict
2020-01-21 20:25
#116
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United States MEEBAH 
Baited by one of the top HLTV users.
2020-01-21 19:04
+1
2020-01-21 19:16
were you alive before 1948? you think you know because you read it xaxaxaxa
2020-01-21 16:04
#138
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United States _icedtea 
The J in Israel stands for Jewish
2020-01-21 19:42
#155
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Palestine Xpicyy 
Thanks to Europe there's now Israel
2020-01-21 20:25
#172
AmaNEk | 
France NTd0G 
well yeah a country that exist since 1948 is the main reason for a war that started in 1939 HLTV BRAIN
2020-01-21 21:11
+1
2020-01-22 05:54
#2
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Finland SeaSexAndSunny 
The international finance that declared war to Germany in 1933 after Hitler was elected.
2020-01-21 15:26
You share a link that literally is Jews taking a stance against Germany for terrorising Jews and literally killing them? Have you even read it? "to stand by the 600,000 Jews of Germany who are terrorised by Hitlerist anti semitism, and to compel Fascist Germany to end its campaign of violence and oppression directed against its Jewish minority" What's wrong with this stance? I'm not Jewish but this seems very reasonable to me. Read your own sources fool.
2020-01-21 15:46
"Jews taking a stance against Germany for terrorising Jews and literally killing them?" is something that comes from your ignorant mind. Date of the article: March 1933. Nobody in Germany was killing jews in 1933.
2020-01-21 15:49
Are you dumb? The moment Hitler gained power in Germany, he instantly started taking businesses from Jewish people, Taking homes from Jewish people, sending Jewish people to work camps so they can work themselves to death. I've studied pre-ww2Germany extensively. And you stating Hitler was "elected" shows how little you actually know. Hitler had his gestapo stand outside polling stations beating anyone who they thought didn't vote Hitler. If you go into a voting station and the first thing you see is a gangs outside asking who your voting for and beating people who say anything but Hitler then its clear what you are going to vote. Let's also go into Hitlers opposition at the time, who literally did nothing because they were threatened and some were assassinated by the gestapo for trying to stand against Hitlers Fascist dream. Please do some research before you spew bullshit at me.
2020-01-21 15:54
"I'm not jewish" but you are. Also your sources: "Believe me bro I've studied pre-WW2 Germany". Don't reply to me I'm not going to waste my time.
2020-01-21 15:57
Excuse me? I'm a Welsh man from generations of Welsh people. I am atheist but my family is catholic. Don't state what I am when you are clearly wrong. You cry about my lack of sources when the only source you link is a old news paper that literally states you are wrong. Please don't "waste your time" replying to me because you are delusional and lack common intelligence / thinking skills. You need to spend less time trying to be controversial and spend more time trying to be normal and fit into society. What a loser. dw.com/en/voting-in-the-midst-of-nazi-te.. Quick little lesson for you, first concentration camp was opened in 1933. if your little brain cant comprehend this information, here is a 16 year old's learning material for you to read so you can understand :) bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zpb9fcw/revisi.. fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/timeline/camps.ht..
2020-01-21 16:02
You have no source yet you complain about a historical document. Case closed. pics.me.me/thumb_happy-merchant-mask-bla..
2020-01-21 16:02
Feel free to reread #49, I have included some basic sources for your limited brain. And you linking that image literally shows exactly who you are. Get a life you waste of resources.
2020-01-21 16:03
he has to be baiting
2020-01-21 16:06
yeah 100% idk why I'm wasting my time trying to explain to people like this.
2020-01-21 16:07
#66
Estonia 1922 
He's not.
2020-01-21 16:19
pretty sad if he's not
2020-01-21 16:20
#70
Estonia 1922 
He is either a fully committed baiter who has been doing this "I'm dangerously close to being an actual Nazi" bit for months, perhaps even years, or what's more likely is that he's just dangerously close to being an actual Nazi.
2020-01-21 16:22
Linking me a bunch of myths from the BBC or antifa forums won't convince me. The first camps were opened not for jews but for communists that were planning/doing terrorists attacks against Hitler's supporters.
2020-01-21 16:07
Holy shit you are deluded. "The first German concentration camps were established in 1933 for the confinement of opponents of the Nazi Party—Communists and Social Democrats. Political opposition soon was enlarged to include minority groups, chiefly Jews, but by the end of World War II many Roma, homosexuals, and anti-Nazi civilians from the occupied territories had also been liquidated." last source for a simple minded individual like yourself. britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp Follow your own comments and stop replying, your making yourself look like a right knob head.
2020-01-21 16:10
Yeah, jailing people that commit terrorists attacks seem "pretty normal" to me using your own terms.
2020-01-21 16:12
Yeah because Jews running a business or disabled people / "gypsies" are committing terrorist attacks? hahahaha don't make me laugh. Hitler wanted an ethnically cleansed state of pure breed Germans.
2020-01-21 16:15
"Hitler wanted an ethnically cleansed state of pure breed Germans." Did I say otherwise? It's the most common fact. And I love how you put that "jews running a business" like they own small shops in a random street in Germany but won't talk about the media, banks, insurances...
2020-01-21 16:20
You lost all credibility in the first sentence of your first post.
2020-01-21 16:08
man... Finnish education is a joke. Kindergarten until 10th-grade shows. If you were a German citizen, you would be in prison for not acknowledging the real reason for the holocaust.
2020-01-21 16:35
Yeah, jailing people for their opinions is another proof that the Holocaust is a big lie which is not based on anything and can't resist debate.
2020-01-21 16:40
#164
HUNDEN | 
Switzerland Perxyy 
A 80 year old man got 4 years in prison because he didn’t acknowledge holocaust lmao
2020-01-21 20:58
Ursula Haverbeck got sentenced 10 months in prison for holocaust denial at 87 YEARS OLD. And these fuckers call themselves democrats.
2020-01-21 21:01
#168
HUNDEN | 
Switzerland Perxyy 
They are clearly dangerous for the rest of the population
2020-01-21 21:02
Since you're a german, most of the german-turks should get jailed because they deny the armenian genocide :D Oh wait, it only applies for the religion of Holocaust.
2020-01-21 16:44
#165
HUNDEN | 
Switzerland Perxyy 
Germany was definitely the only country doing bad things in ww2.. oh wait :)
2020-01-21 20:59
People who believe in the official version of the Holocaust should search for the Katyn forest. Germany was accused until 1991 and the end of the USSR of the killings but didn't commit the crime. ;)
2020-01-21 21:03
#176
HUNDEN | 
Switzerland Perxyy 
You watched the documentation hellstorm?
2020-01-21 21:20
How long is it again? I think I've watched half of it and it's tough...
2020-01-21 21:22
#180
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Switzerland Perxyy 
I think like one and a half hours but not sure
2020-01-21 21:24
I know there is Hellstorm and the greatest story never told right?
2020-01-21 21:26
#183
HUNDEN | 
Switzerland Perxyy 
Yep but I think it’s something like the greatest lie ever told edit: no that was something else
2020-01-21 21:30
Nuremberg laws weren't until 1935
2020-01-21 21:55
and the first arguably anti-jewish law was one based on jewish names being used in telephone books or something, it was in April 1933
2020-01-21 22:02
Thats a lie
2020-01-22 00:05
#33
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Russia NikSmoK 
>Hitler >Elected Really?
2020-01-21 15:49
maybe talk about the main argument he makes, which is true
2020-01-21 15:55
They won't but it will backfire if they do. It's democratic only when the "good" guy wins I guess, it's still havent changed to this day.
2020-01-21 15:59
#81
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Russia NikSmoK 
International finance were supporting Hitler. Anti comm intern pact do you hear about it? Also He were supported by all of the European biggest industrial producers. They literally paid Paul von Hindenburg to retire and help Hitler get power
2020-01-21 16:33
yes but talk about the point he's making. His point is not about hitler being elected. Reading comprehension.
2020-01-21 17:47
The guy is an idiot and knows nothing. Wtf is wrong with some people.
2020-01-21 15:55
15 year old and had 1 history class?
2020-01-21 17:48
Are you stupid??
2020-01-21 21:57
+88
2020-01-21 23:42
Based Switzerland.
2020-01-21 23:47
#4
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Technically, France. Literally? Germany
2020-01-21 15:26
#6
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Germany Neckarstadion 
true
2020-01-21 15:26
#35
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United States JoshDAA 
Why France? I havent really delved into WW2
2020-01-21 15:49
#65
Estonia 1922 
They (along with the U.K., Australia, and New Zealand) were the ones who actually declared war on Germany, which was also the first actual declaration of war because Germany never formally declared war on Poland. Still it's next to undeniable that Germany started WW2.
2020-01-21 16:17
#75
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United States JoshDAA 
Oh, didnt the allies declare war due to Germany entering another country that was neutral?
2020-01-21 16:28
#91
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Germany kept being aggressive and in the name of peace the allies allowed it. Remilitarization of the Rhineland, Anschluss with Austria, Annexation of Czechoslovakia (after it was promised that Germany wouldnt). The Allies drew a line in the sand and told them that if Polands Sovereignty was violated that they would declare war on Germany and sure enough after the German declaration of war the allies declared.
2020-01-21 17:20
#118
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Canada Herodionus 
To be fair the early "acts of aggression" were totally justifiable. Such as the militarization of the Rhineland and the militarization of Germany. The treaty of Versailles woefully extreme and even when it was written, people saw that it was an act of revenge rather than a means to bring peace
2020-01-21 19:14
#166
HUNDEN | 
Switzerland Perxyy 
+1 Treaty of Versailles was really insulting for Germans back then
2020-01-21 21:00
#196
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Canada Herodionus 
Exactly, the whole point was to humiliate them
2020-01-21 21:52
Interestingly, when Britain declared war on Germany it shocked Hitler deeply. He expected another Munich-like scenario in Poland too; he never wanted to fight with the Brits. Hard to call the man delusional, considering the red lines the allies drew before weren't red enough.
2020-01-21 20:51
#85
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Well #65 is basically taking technicallity to a very long stretch. It was Germany who declared war and it was the Allies defending Poland. Almost like if Russia declared on Estonia and the USA came in to defend them. What i was saying was that after WW1 was nearly concluded the treaty of Versailles was being discussed and whilst the USA and UK advocated for a weaker treaty intending on some reparations and some territorial reduction but nothing unheard of during the time. But France on the other hand heavily advocated for what we know today; harsh reparations, massive territorial reductions both European and colonial and that all culminated in the nationalistic sentiments that led to WW2. It was bound to happen and France did nothing to stop it.
2020-01-21 16:48
#87
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United States JoshDAA 
Damn
2020-01-21 16:56
You don't understand why these countries had such positions. No one but Wilson actually cared about peace. In short, France wanted a strong border protected from possible future german aggression, and very rightfully so. Britain wanted a balance of powers in Europe and to make the Americans fuck off so that they can keep their position as the #1. America was in an amazing position after the war and simply wanted for Europe to stay calm so that the Americans can peacefully progress and slowly but steadily fuck britain up economically. What we got was a mix of all 3. No one actually caring for peace was also the reason why the league of nations failed.
2020-01-21 17:33
#99
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Not true and full of speculation but im tired so gnight
2020-01-21 17:55
You get info from where? I’m very confident wiki has the absolute same info as I do, so why don't you give it a read?
2020-01-21 18:05
Give me a link and ill have a look ;D
2020-01-21 18:09
Just google “treaty of Versailles”
2020-01-21 18:16
Guess you dont want to have a serious conversation
2020-01-21 18:18
You’re the one that hasn't given a single argument to my response.
2020-01-21 19:38
I asked for proof of what i was assuming was just speculation. You are yet to give me that
2020-01-21 19:47
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versai.. “Negotiations” is the part you need.
2020-01-21 20:06
"Britain wanted... to make the Americans fuck off so that they can keep their position as the #1." Thats not stated "In short, France wanted a strong border protected from possible future german aggression" Thats not true, they wanted a buffer zone of unspecified nature, not a strong border whatever the fuck that means "America was in an amazing position after the war and simply wanted for Europe to stay calm so that the Americans can peacefully progress and slowly but steadily fuck britain up economically." Not stated I asked for sources backing up your statements not just a random article
2020-01-21 20:19
Buffer zone=/=strong border to prevent future german invasions? Also, why the fuck am I, a guy that has probably read as many books about ww1 as you have read books in total, obliged to give you “proofs” for my statements? Just google this shit yourself, mate. You wrote down some very simplistic shit that anyone who knows what the “Versailles treaty” is can come up with themselves and I told you how it actually was. I’m not your fucking teacher. Read about the US after WW1, read about their rivalry with Britain and of how the US’s plan to completely dominate came to be after WW2, read of how WW1 was amazing for the US’s development, read of France’s real motivations (not the garbage you wrote in#85), read of why Germany was punished the way it was and about why it was unacceptable to divide it in literally any other way. After you disagreed with my statement about the US I realized that you are clueless, hence I won't bother looking shit up for you. Your own history is something you should know for sure. Just learn it yourself, mate. It isn't that difficult when you have unlimited knowledge inside your phone.
2020-01-21 20:54
"Allies defending Poland" change that for "allies pretending to defend Poland" since we got 0 help from UK and France. Same as Czechoslovakia.
2020-01-21 18:39
True.
2020-01-21 18:44
It's not like if France/UK had any way to help Polish people. Do you realize they needed to go accross Germany to reach Poland ? The time to assemble the war machines, Poland was already done. Both the UK and France got smashed after having months to prepare, an attack on Germany without taking any time to think would have been even worse. Because then, the UK army would be trapped in Germany instead of being saved by the French. If London fell that early, the war was over.
2020-01-21 19:46
French army at the time was same or even better than German. And only french. When you add to this British army, its basically over for Germans. Your job was to attack from west, since whole german army striked east. But screw that, France could not let this war happen already in 1936, but u had no balls after WW1 ;/ I guess wrong politics in wrong time decided about how everything happened. Respect to France tho, that after WW1 u helped in creating our country again. Not the first time lol
2020-01-21 21:09
The famous old legend of French army better than the Germans. Since it was that much better, why was it dismantled in a few week by the Blitzkrieg ? Yes, Franco-British army was bigger, with more tanks and more guns. So ? Tacticaly they were much behind. They didn't know to do anything except defend trenches. The high-commandement never changed since WW1.
2020-01-21 21:24
Yeah I've readen about it as well, that tacticaly french and british army were... shit. That's why the only way to prevent WW2 was stopping Germany after 1 of many actions that they made, but everybody was too scared. Still it provides to last point, that with different, younger politicians, not old fucks, France and UK could change basically everything, and now Poland maybe wouldn't be famous 3rd world of europe hahah
2020-01-21 21:28
This is very, very wrong. The most peculiar thing about the World War 2 is the abundance of opportunities that the Allies had to prevent it. The genius of Hitler was in making these tiny incremental steps of disobedience, occupying Ruhr, building up the industry, building up the army, Anschluss, Munich, Danzig and finally the war. Hitler's last gamble (and the final big opportunity to stop the war) was invasion of Poland. If France and Britain had attacked Germany at the beginning they would have reached Berlin in a week or two. Instead of acting, France didn't move; this phase is known as the Phoney war.
2020-01-21 21:15
1. UK were not ready for a massive ground operation in September 2. French forces ready for Saar offensive where like a 1/3 of the army 3. They had no ideas of how much troups were against them 4. They had to cross the Siegfried Line 5. The high-commandement has WW1 tactics and 0 way to plan such fast conquest 6. Majority of French population was against war and the gov 7. The Communists were ready to sabotage and call for mass desertion 8. Poland was already crumbling at the start of the operation = you have no fucking idea about what you are talking about when you say that " they would have reached Berlin in a week or two". On paper the Battle of France was also won easily, yet the French generals were so incompetent that they lost in one month.
2020-01-21 21:47
You really don't need to be rude. Where was I wrong? Why the Allies didn't attack...for a number of reasons, including those you mentioned. What I said was this: if they HAD attacked, they would've reached Berlin in a week or two. This is backed by the statements of the top German generals at Nuremberg. "If we did not collapse in 1939 that was due only to the fact that during the Polish campaign the approximately 110 French and British divisions in the West were held completely inactive against the 23 German divisions" [General Jodl] "We soldiers had always expected an attack by France during the Polish campaign, and were very surprised that nothing happened... A French attack would have encountered only a German military screen, not a real defence" [General Keitel] The fact that the offensive didn't take place (for a number of valid reasons which you brought up) does not imply it was impossible. It sure was. PS: As a matter of fact, unlike England, they HAD to be able to attack - France had obligations to Poland (Franco-Polish military convention, May 19, 1939), where France pledged the first offensive operations by the third day of the general mobilisation.
2020-01-21 22:37
#5
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Germany Neckarstadion 
Jermans
2020-01-21 15:26
95% of users here will not know too much if anything about WW2, why would you want a subjective answer from idiotic hltv users?
2020-01-21 15:27
#10
friberg | 
Sweden günT 
young male nerds tend to be fairly knowledgeable in 3 fields of study: english, maths and history
2020-01-21 15:29
I'm just curious about the knowledge of people Rumors say that Israel will support russian version about ww2 that we (Poland) started the war for freeing an israel prisoner from Russia.
2020-01-21 15:30
wtf , russian version is not Poland, don't watch tv so much.
2020-01-21 16:10
gov.pl/web/premier/oswiadczenie-prezesa-.. Literally our prime minister responded to that here. He also said that "Vladimir Putin lied about Poland many times and it was on purpose" Maybe person that should turn off tv is you? Cuz all u watch is Putin's propaganda
2020-01-21 18:16
Ironic
2020-01-22 00:01
Indeed lol
2020-01-22 00:16
Is it polish humor or what? The best proof i have ever seen. In your logic I must say after watching tv: "Yes, Poland is starter". But... I said another thing.
2020-01-22 17:44
Allright, u are right about this one, u never said that Poland started WW2, but that Putin said those things, its true.
2020-01-22 22:45
If the victorious countries of the First World War had not appointed high reparations, and pressed so hard on Germany, there would have been no prerequisites for the outbreak of the Second World War. The Germans were not just angry with the whole world, right?
2020-01-21 15:29
It was obvious after WW1 and the "peace" treaties that another war would occur sooner or later. The fact that Germany had lost 50% of its territory and that ethnically germans people were now spread in non germanic nations was the bigger thing.
2020-01-21 15:34
That's why we know people like Hitler
2020-01-21 15:37
For your information, Hitler tried to prevent the war as long as he could but at some point it was the only option.
2020-01-21 15:40
It is ridiculous to read this, because it is known and documented that Hitler set himself the task of returning the lost lands, and not preventing the war
2020-01-21 17:13
Read #18 again we said the same thing, Germany was so torn apart after WW1 that another war was inevitable. Hitler or someone else. But is it his fault? If eastern Ukraine was annexed by Russia, nobody would do nothing?
2020-01-21 17:25
*badum ts*
2020-01-21 22:28
More like 15% unless you count the colonies as well
2020-01-22 00:01
Clemencau
2020-01-21 15:29
Poland's fault for getting invaded
2020-01-21 15:33
6/8
2020-01-21 15:35
#119
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Canada Herodionus 
True, if Poland held out then it wouldn't have been a world war. Damn Poland
2020-01-21 19:15
+1
2020-01-21 23:16
#17
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Switzerland Sylleo 
The Banks did
2020-01-21 15:33
#95
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United Kingdom Megamo10 
+1
2020-01-21 17:26
#20
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United States PP_Bizon 
Not a very simple answer, the simple answer would be Germany, but the countries who imposed all the harsh conditions (Treaty of Versailles) on Germany after WWI, are indirectly the reason WWII started.
2020-01-21 15:36
#25
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Germany Neckarstadion 
Woodrow Wilson even saw it coming and argued against the treaty in its form, but the french were blinded by hate.
2020-01-21 15:41
#40
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Finland Vkims 
Germany started WW2 by losing WW1 which caused treaty of versailles
2020-01-21 15:55
so the serbians are still to blame? lol
2020-01-21 15:57
#62
Estonia 1922 
LMAO
2020-01-21 16:14
#173
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Russia Corynne 
The Great Depression is the main indirect reason for the beginning of the war.
2020-01-21 21:12
Brazil
2020-01-21 15:37
#41
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Czech Republic Rewask 
Technically you could say UK and France with their absolutely stupid politics.
2020-01-21 15:56
#86
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United States 10YearBansRUs 
Hindsight is 20/20. Can you blame them for not wanting another war? A government represents the will of the people and no one wanted another World War to defend Poland / Czechoslovakia etc
2020-01-21 16:49
#92
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Czech Republic Rewask 
Maybe, but it was absolutely clear Hitler wanted to conquer the entire Europe, so stopping him while Germany was weak would have been much better. In hindsight we can clearly see how ignorant they were.
2020-01-21 17:22
#121
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Canada Herodionus 
Actually not true, he didn't want to invade western Europe, even seeing the British as equals and believing they would ally with him. The whole cause of it and the motivations behind it was Generalplan Ost which was the genocide of Slavs and settling Eastern Europe with Germans. The only reason he was at war with the allies was because they intervened in the invasion of Poland which he want to used to gain access to the USSR
2020-01-21 19:19
#129
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Czech Republic Rewask 
It is quite likely that if their plans would succeed the Germans would lead a war against the Western allies too. But even if you don't like this as it's only a speculation I can take out the entire Europe part and it changes nothing. France and UK should've reacted sooner anyways, it doesn't matter if his plan was "Drang nach Osten" or conquer of the entire Europe.
2020-01-21 19:30
#131
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Canada Herodionus 
To a certain degree yes, Rhineland, larger armed forces, and Anschluss were arguably all justified due to the extremely severe terms of WW1. And even after then, the allies still foolishly believed that if they just kept giving in that he'd just calm down, again coming to this idea that hindsight is 20/20
2020-01-21 19:34
#132
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Czech Republic Rewask 
Well I think we can agree that their decisions resulted in millions of innocent dead.
2020-01-21 19:36
#137
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Canada Herodionus 
True, WW2 is extremely overly simplistic but it doesn't change the end result
2020-01-21 19:40
Bruh until German attack on Poland, Hitler had been doing many many other things that West EU should react, it wasn't only about defending Poland and Czechoslovakia. They were ignoring this fact so much and Hitler just used it.
2020-01-21 18:19
The reparations for WW1 put on Germany that were way too extreme and basically fueled a revolution of angry germans. Hitler just provided them with a voice for that anger and a common enemy to put the blame on that wasn't german EDIT: which was obviously bad, but it was a direct result of the extreme reparations
2020-01-21 15:57
#71
Estonia 1922 
Reparations wouldn't have been a problem if the dumbo Amerikanskiy market didn't crash, so it's actually America's fault
2020-01-21 16:24
Japan/Italy
2020-01-21 15:57
France started it
2020-01-21 16:04
#57
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Georgia Megobari 
USSR, Italy, Germany and Japan started WW2
2020-01-21 16:08
#72
Estonia 1922 
Why Italy?
2020-01-21 16:25
#73
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Georgia Megobari 
Annexed Albania and Ethiopia
2020-01-21 16:25
#74
Estonia 1922 
Yeah but I don't think WW2 started because of either of those.
2020-01-21 16:27
#76
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Georgia Megobari 
It's started after fail of League of Nations, useless diplomacy game of UK/France to stop Germany. All of these 4 countries did agressions against their neighbors and all are responsible for that. Italy too.
2020-01-21 16:29
#78
Estonia 1922 
Fair enough.
2020-01-21 16:29
#64
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Oceania Rusuli 
There is no question that Germany started the war, but it was the UK that made it a world war.
2020-01-21 16:15
+1
2020-01-21 16:19
#77
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Georgia Megobari 
+1
2020-01-21 16:29
#79
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North America 007DBR9 
lmao what is this
2020-01-21 16:30
suddenly Russia & Israel might think that it was Poland's fault.
2020-01-21 18:20
crazy moustache man
2020-01-21 16:31
#122
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Canada Herodionus 
Which one? They all had em
2020-01-21 19:19
salvador dali ofc
2020-01-21 19:28
#128
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Canada Herodionus 
+1
2020-01-21 19:28
> WW2 > Russia
2020-01-21 17:15
The countries that directly started it (if we’re not going to talk about the reasons why the attack turned into a world war) were Germany and the USSR.
2020-01-21 17:18
#123
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Poland ZimmyS 
+1
2020-01-21 19:20
#124
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Canada Herodionus 
Not really a fair argument, Stalin was forced into a peace deal with Hitler because he couldn't get an alliance with the allies and knew he was in no position to fight the Germans
2020-01-21 19:20
Bullshit. Stalin had no intentions to even try allying with the allies nor with the germans. He had his own coalition and his own aims. All he wanted was land, power and better technology - and that’s what the peace deal with Hitler gave him. The USSR was also arming germans ever since the nazis came to power, before anyone even knew they were “the bad guys”. Read more about the reasoning behind Molotov-Ribbentropp.
2020-01-21 19:37
#140
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Canada Herodionus 
Yes that's true, however there were talks for Stalin to also garauntee Poland and even put a substantial portion of their army on the German border to dissuade a Polish invasion, in exchange for the UK and France turning a blind eye to Soviet influence in eastern Europe. This ultimately fell apart because the ambassadors and negotiators could not actually formally agree to anything and so they made a similar deal with Germany
2020-01-21 19:46
So, the democratic world refused to allow an empire to annex sovereign states? Wow Also, this sounds like made up bullshit because Poland would NEVER allow any soviet troops in.
2020-01-21 20:09
#159
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Canada Herodionus 
1. The West did allow the USSR to do whatever it wanted in Eastern Europe after WW2 2. When the only alternative was invasion and a sure defeat, they'd welcome the help
2020-01-21 20:35
2. Never Thats why we were fighting with Russia in 1920 (fortunately won) Thats why we never even thought about pacting with Germany in 1939 Thats why we never surrendered to anyone Its not like i'm proud of it and i feel like we are the best, no, this attitude was in many situations wrong (overall in history), but there was just no way to take germany or russia as an ally.
2020-01-21 21:14
It isn't bullshit. Chamberlain rejected Soviet proposals after Anschluss and the occupation of Czechoslovakia. USSR was also excluded from Munich. Soviet diplomats were consistently trying to strike a deal with the Allies throughout 1938 and 1939 (even in summer), but they were ignored. From Stalin's perspective, the last thing he wanted was to face Germany alone. And it was a very reasonable thing to expect considering the Allies' continuous appeasement of Hitler. And then all of a sudden, Hitler came knocking. Stalin opened the door, they struck a deal, which, according to Stalin, gave him a 'peredishka', a delay - to build up the military power to defend in a future war or perhaps even attack. And the rest is history. Now, although I agree with #124, Molotov-Ribbentrop wasn't just a "peace deal with Hitler". This so-called peace deal also implied an attack on Poland by the Soviet Union, automatically making them a country-aggressor, in my opinion.
2020-01-21 22:03
So, you’re telling me that they were forced to accept the deal because of fear? Sounds like a stupid excuse to me because, as a result of the pact, they were suddenly sharing a massive borderline that favored Germany and were clearly benefitting from the deal as much as the other side was, even receiving a bigger portion of land. Also, if it’s only because of fear that they did it, why did they also accept a technology sharing deal beforehand? Why did propaganda about a “great new friend” start? Surely they didn't fear that Germany was going to attack through Poland if they don't accept the offer and even considered them to be a reliable enough ally.
2020-01-21 22:15
They certainly weren't forced to accept it, but it was a very reasonable deal to make. I mean non-aggression, without the secret clause :) Again, imagine you're in Stalin's shoes - it is just natural to assume the West will leave the USSR fight Germans alone. Heck, it was the ONLY thing to assume. Of course, Stalin being Stalin, he quickly figured he could get something "more" than peace :) Turns out, Hitler wanted non-aggression even more, as he was scared that USSR had the military alliance with the West, or was very close to making one (he was wrong). Stalin calculated that Germans would accept an extra clause, a pretty harsh one for German ambitions in the East, as a prerequisite to non-aggression (he was right), which allows the USSR not only to delay war, but also get a "piece of the pie" in Poland, Bessarabia, Baltics and Finland. I like the argument made by William Shirer in his "The rise and fall of the Third Reich", which Stalin could've used to justify his actions: "If Chamberlain was right and honourable in appeasing Hitler in September 1938 by sacrificing Czechoslovakia, was Stalin wrong and dishonourable in appeasing the Fuehrer a year later at the expense of Poland, which had shunned Soviet help anyway?"
2020-01-21 23:40
Well, allowing an annexation of a relatively small somewhat german territory isn't at all the same as agreeing on declaring wards and splitting a whole region, is it? The rest is not something I can view as completely true (because I personally have not read anything regarding hitlers and stalins motivations, and I highly doubt such texts exist) but it sounds reasonable and I’m not going to argue.
2020-01-22 05:50
Absolutely not the same, you’re right. I don’t necessarily agree with Shirer’s statement, (don’t think it reflected his own opinion either) but we can agree that Stalin’s actions were more-or-less in-line of the morale of the mid-20th century Europe. Remember, Poland, a notorious victim, was happy to take a piece of Czechoslovakia after Munich, when the opportunity (Hitler) presented itself :)
2020-01-23 18:48
#178
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Russia Corynne 
The event that directly made the war possible to break out is The Munich Diktat. And that's the UK and France who were responsible for that, not USSR at any point. The indirect reasons for that, however, is Stalin's coming to power and his politics in the late 20's and early 30's, and the Great Depression.
2020-01-21 21:23
I promised to myself when I made that comment that I won't respond to any russian that made a response, but here goes nothing. The Munich diktat is just one of the prerequisites for the war, just like the annexation of Albania and the remilitarization of the Rhineland. The event that started WW2 was when the USSR and Germany invaded Poland.
2020-01-21 21:26
#187
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Russia Corynne 
"I promised to myself when I made that comment that I won't respond to any russian that made a response, but here goes nothing." AWHAWHAWHAWH, ponimayu. Cherez let 10-20 uvidimsya v sostave 1 strani ksta. Reih bi v zhizni ne napal bi na chehov, u nih bily garantii nezavisimosty ot Francii i Rossii(udivitel'no dlya nekotorih), ego bi prosto unichtozhili bi za paru mesyacev. Anglichane i francuzi prosto otdaly germanii chehov, a eto odna is silneyshih armiy i promok v evrope. Dal'she iz za etogo sily nemcev i soyuznikov bily +- ravni. Ne otdaly chehov = nemcy slishkom slabi chtobi vesti voynu protiv 3'h mirovih gosudarstv na 2 fronta. Vse prosto. Esli ti gde to v internete prochital versiyu, kotoraya udobna dly tvoego promitogo mozga, to eto ne znachit chto eto pravda.
2020-01-21 21:36
Why did you write some random letters and symbols man? English please
2020-01-21 21:40
#189
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Russia Corynne 
hehe, ne bud' clounom, eto ne krasit cheloveka.
2020-01-21 21:42
?????? Reply needs to have actual content
2020-01-21 21:43
#191
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Russia Corynne 
Chto mozhet bit' huzhe cheloveka, otricayushego sebya, svoy yazik i kul'turu? Podumay, esli zahochesh konechno.
2020-01-21 21:45
Is this some kind of a language you made up? Sorry, man, I don't speak elvish
2020-01-21 21:46
#100
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United States Vollizie 
Sir, it wasn't Russia, it was the Soviet Union.
2020-01-21 18:00
But u didn't make that effort to say Third Reich and not Germany 🤔🤔
2020-01-21 18:21
#110
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United States Vollizie 
Sir, I'm gay
2020-01-21 18:21
wtf I don't know how to respond to that
2020-01-21 18:22
#112
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United States Vollizie 
Perhaps
2020-01-21 18:23
Si6mili0ns liers
2020-01-21 18:21
where is japan in this poll.... 1937 they invaded china. but the countries which imposed the treaty of versailles in some kind of way started the war by making them so harsh germany basically had nothing left so it was easier for politicians with extreme ideas to get to the most powerful positions
2020-01-21 18:26
#125
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Canada Herodionus 
It was pretty clear that no western powers cared whatsoever about China, if they did they would've intervened in 1937
2020-01-21 19:21
the asian country's cared, which in some kind of way was the same in europe at the eurpean start of ww2
2020-01-21 19:39
#142
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Canada Herodionus 
They mightve had some interest but they would not commit to a war
2020-01-21 19:47
it was only when german u-boats started attacking american merchant ships the us joined the european war, same with the japanese with the attack on pearl harbour. only canada actually started preparing troops to support in europe as a country outside europe itself
2020-01-21 19:52
#145
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Canada Herodionus 
A little unfair to compare, Canada was a British Dominion and got involved because they were called into war, and as arguably the most developed Dominion of Britain would naturally have contributed more than others. However others like Australia and India also were extremely important in the North African theatre. The US on the other hand were essentially involved before Pearl Harbor. The US aid was almost the entire reason that the UK had not entered an armistice with the Axis. The US also had its navy guard ALL ships in the Atlantic so it meant that if the U-boats wanted to attack British or Canadian convoys they would be attacking the US as well. The US administration wanted to the involved in the war, however public opinion was strongly against it until Pearl Harbor
2020-01-21 19:58
#126
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Denmark Henry1887 
Great Britain, they were afraid Germany would become to big. google "operation unthinkable"
2020-01-21 19:25
Some argue that soviets would have attacked west anyways but it still does not explain attacking poland instead of allying them...
2020-01-21 19:32
Germany ofc
2020-01-21 19:42
After all this year Poland still play the victim card.
2020-01-21 20:10
Belgium did
2020-01-21 20:16
It's amazing how much they fly under the radar. Told the Germans they were free to move into and navigate around their country for both WW's, then both times they secretly phoned the British and told them they were getting invaded and to come help lmao.
2020-01-21 20:42
#151
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Russia Blyatmen 
Switzerland ofc
2020-01-21 20:18
#186
HUNDEN | 
Switzerland Perxyy 
Mens
2020-01-21 21:35
#156
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Germany MackyGee 
Nice racism against Germany
2020-01-21 20:26
#157
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Palestine Xpicyy 
2020-01-21 20:26
ussr helped germany to increase military capabilities while germany was under sanctions after ww1 defeat. If you really wanna know truth you can try and find information about it in intenet. It was really huge. germany and ussr started ww2 spliting Poland. They were unofficial allies for two years. ussr has been supplied fuel, provisions, raw materials up to 1941 when hitler found out about stalin`s plans of "liberation of Europe" and had to make preventive blow on east direction.
2020-01-21 20:30
WW2 was started by Germany but in the historical background there are several reasons for the start of WW2
2020-01-21 20:58
#171
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Czech Republic wellbi 
Who started it? Whoever thought that it's a good idea to load the Treaty of Versailles on the back of a nation full of engineers with a soft spot for well fitted Hugo Boss 'suit' and epic, sometimes even night, rallies...
2020-01-21 21:09
#185
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Germany BIG2020 
Treaty of Versailles did. And if that didnt then probably Germany.. unless you want to see Japan attacking China in 1931 as the Start.
2020-01-21 21:33
France and UK declared war on germany first sooooooooooo I would say them
2020-01-21 21:48
#195
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Estonia 424hhhh 
I think that the Germans did, but im not sure. I know that WW1 wasn't started by the germans though, countrary to popular belief.
2020-01-21 21:50
USSR and Germany both started this WW2.
2020-01-21 21:55
#202
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Norway Markus98h 
According to Hitler’s own book. The jewish people had too much power around the world, and had big economic controll of Germany. What is true, jews are the best people at economic. Hitler was a SOCALIST nationalist (with support of Alt-right, not far-right). Hitler made a political platform in 1920, where Hitler’s 16 of 25 political goals (on the list) is what the left leaning people fight for today. Like, State controlled healthcare, state controlled education, state controlled school + way more. - something the right wing fight against, as they are pro-private. The reason why most supporters of hitler today is alt-right is because he fight against other race for taking over there country (the jews). WW1 was the pre-cum of the WW2. Hitler wanted to stop it once for all, and started by take out the powerful people by making holocaust, focus on jews first. and other nations wanted to stop the madness
2020-01-21 22:09
Gavrilo Princip
2020-01-21 22:40
#208
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Europe Whatafz 
Japan started world war 2 not Germany.
2020-01-21 22:50
I mean it obviously was the poles who attacked german radio station....
2020-01-21 23:46
just google it, why would you need a poll for that lmao so useless
2020-01-21 23:55
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