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Where do majors matter?
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Denmark bebm 
Looking for HLTV opinion on which level of ranking does having at least 1 major win matter strawpoll.me/19285904
2020-01-22 04:56
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no major no GOAT d4vice GOAT s0mple not GOAT
2020-01-22 04:59
#2
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Denmark bebm 
is s0mple top 3 though obviously he is top skill wise but greatness? honestly i dont even think he is top 10 greatness wise what has he achieved outside of cologne 2018 a couple of major final runs where he put up 0.5 ratings? a couple of event wins that didnt include the best teams like starseries?
2020-01-22 05:00
are you stupid or what? if you are already biased for device then why the fuck did you made a thread asking people if s1mple is GOAT or not? wtf homo
2020-01-22 05:01
#8
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Denmark bebm 
s1mple is not the goat, literally anyone with half a brain understands that, you can argue that device may or may not be the goat but s1mple definately isnt the goat u seem to not understand the meaning of greatness, u think greatness = skill but that isnt true
2020-01-22 05:03
don't be stupid, analysts and everybody else already considere s1mple the Goat of csgo, so idc if you butthurt kid believes it or not, so gtfo s1mple haters
2020-01-22 05:04
#16
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Denmark bebm 
find 3 credible analysts who claim s1mple is without a doubt the goat of csgo and ill accept it if not dont bother replying
2020-01-22 05:05
go watch majors and big events bro, I don't have time to watch all analyst of 2019 to find everyone saying s1mple the Goat, wtf men why are you so biased? I know you are a device fan but the truth is s1mple is way better than device and I agree that device is the most successful player of Csgo so what's the matter dude?
2020-01-22 05:08
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Denmark bebm 
ofc u didnt have any proof all ive seen is a bunch of people saying he is the best player of all time, which i agree with but not even close to the greatest, stats arent enough to be the greatest, keep insulting if u want but ur only wasting ur time
2020-01-22 05:10
men you are so fucking delusional and now you want me to show the clips where analyst said s1mple "GOAT", dude come on you can find it anywhere don't cry here over me to prove you something that you will never wanna believe, because even if I show you the proofs you will still be biased so never mind just gtfo device dik rider
2020-01-22 05:14
>Go watch majors >Biggest disappearing act from a star player in a major final: hltv.org/matches/2303403/sk-vs-liquid-es..
2020-01-22 21:55
xaxaxa monkas brain can't even understand what i was saying, nt btw i was talking about 2018 so please gtfo
2020-01-23 03:59
lol s1mple >>> ecovice, yup device is the most successful player of Csgo but he isn't Goat, s1mple is the real GOAT no one can peek s1mple 2018's performance
2020-01-22 05:00
#4
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Denmark bebm 
expected more from switzerland but u dont understand the meaning of greatness, greatness =/= highest peak ever greatness is a combination of skill + achievements + legacy + consistency and s1mple's legacy isnt even as impressive as someone like flusha/gtr
2020-01-22 05:01
OK homo cry is free, I can understand why you hate s1mple because s1mple >>>> device, hahahaha butthurt homos trying to convince people that device is at s1mple level but nt.
2020-01-22 05:03
Bro wtf we basically made the same reply
2020-01-22 05:03
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Denmark bebm 
copy 😠😠
2020-01-22 05:03
Peak* And who cars if you peak really high in one year. Skill wise he’s godlike, but GOAT means Greatest of All Time, not most skilled of all time. To be great, you have to win, and s0mple has no majors.
2020-01-22 05:03
don't be stupid, analysts and everybody else already considere s1mple the Goat of csgo, so idc if you butthurt kid believes it or not, so gtfo s1mple haters
2020-01-22 05:04
Lmao I’m not a s1mple hater, I respect him a lot. But I’m not gonna act like he’s the greatest of all time when he has less top 5 appearances than device
2020-01-22 05:07
when you say anything about device put astralis in it because it's the team who win things not device, when Navi or vitality win anything then only you can say s1mple and zywoo won the event because those guy hard carrying the team but not device so please dude stop being delusional for device
2020-01-22 05:09
You’re so dumb, if S1mple’s amazing stats cannot translate to Grand Slam or Major wins, they’re worthless, s1mple himself said multiple times his biggest dream is to win a major and guess what? He will never win one playing solo like(because no, he isn’t the only good player in Na’Vi, Electronic has been top 5 player and arguably the best rifler in the game for 2 straight years).
2020-01-22 21:58
lol braindead
2020-01-23 04:01
+1
2020-01-22 19:35
#11
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Germany Ligma_Balls 
To me GOAT is the best player to have touched the game, meaning majors don't matter. S1mple has the highest performance we have seen and is therefore the GOAT
2020-01-22 05:03
#14
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Denmark bebm 
GOAT stands for Greatest of all time, not best of all time like i said earlier, u could argue weather or not device is the goat, but its 100% not s1mple his legacy isnt good enough, outside of his stats what has he done? what has he accomplished, u can make excuses about him not having ideal teammates but those are just excuses
2020-01-22 05:04
stop riding device dik homo, idk why biased homo keep making thread to convince people that device is a good player, lol stupid homo
2020-01-22 05:06
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Germany Ligma_Balls 
I don't see your point because s1mple is still the greatest player to touch the game, yes device is good and can be made an argument but when the phrase is greatest of all time you have to choose the best player in the game.
2020-01-22 05:11
#24
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Denmark bebm 
again u do not understand the meaning of greatest greatest =/= best they are fundamentally different topics greatness = legacy best = skill s1mple is the most skilled of all time, he is the best of all time, he is not the greatest of all time greatness includes achievements and legacy which s1mple doesnt really have
2020-01-22 05:13
lololol your butt is hurting so much kid, hahahaha homo go fuk with d3vice
2020-01-22 05:14
#35
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Germany Ligma_Balls 
s1mple does have a legacy though, one of the scariest players to face. When you look too much at achievements you are focusing on teammates as well, so obviously device will have better placings.
2020-01-22 05:46
#36
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Denmark bebm 
being a scary player to face doesnt count towards legacy as much as achievements, being scared is just hearsay and like i said before, s1mple having weak teammates is unfortunate but its how the cookie crumbled, not everyone gets a fair shake at the title what is olof never got injured, maybe someone like taco hurt his hand when he was little (pure rumor btw but im just setting up an example) and it prevented him from becoming 10x #1 5x major mvp we dont know how things wouldve happened under hypothetical situations all we know is what actually happened, and what actually happened was s1mple won relatively nothing in 4 years of play outside of 1 good cologne run, and a bunch of events that astralis/liquid skipped whereas device won a shit ton of events and majors, won mvp at majority of them, and racked up an insane number of high placements in the top 20 to go alonig with it
2020-01-22 06:54
#40
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Germany Ligma_Balls 
He still relies on his team completely, he's not winning those tournaments off pure individual skill, so how can it contribute to him being the goat? I'm not saying s1 wins are just because of him, but its not fair to look at team achievements when discussing this IMO
2020-01-22 21:52
ok, let me do a little showing to you: Stats wise, Wilt Chamberlain the the best player to ever step in a basketball court, you could say he’s the best player ever just by looking at his stats, I mean, this guy averaged 50 points for an entire season. But you know why the argument of the best of all time in Basketball is always between the likes of Lebron, Kobe or Jordan? Because this guys had the amazing stats and were winner, they didn’t cared to do the “dirty work”, always put the team above themselves and will do every role possible so they can win more. If you remember 2015ish years, you will remember a more agressive, rifler, yolo dev1ce, ok, this guy had more insane highlights and some flashy stats, but in the end, he couldn’t win for shit.
2020-01-22 22:02
+111111
2020-01-22 05:05
damn!!! this thread maker is so fucking delusional and he thinks that device is better than s1mple, lol what a dumb kid, stop riding devve dik
2020-01-22 05:11
S1mple has no major and is undebatably top 3, most of the options on this poll are useless.
2020-01-22 05:13
he is s1mple hater so never mind
2020-01-22 05:15
#29
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Denmark bebm 
undebatably top 3 in skill honestly undebatably top 1 in skill not even top 20 in legacy overall id say 10 is fair
2020-01-22 05:17
blah blah blah!!! cry as much as you can but s1mple has the best legacy in Csgo
2020-01-22 05:19
At the end, like in ten years or something, only majors will matter. We'll remember the GOATS, coldzera and device.
2020-01-22 05:20
#33
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Denmark bebm 
I agree, there seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of the word greatness for csgo fans for basically any other sport, its understood that achievements and legacy matter for greatness, at least so far on the people on this thread, majority just look at s1mple's peak and say he is the goat or top 3, obviously his skill is top 1 but his greatness isnt Id say greatness wise 1. Device (4 majors 2 major mvps 5x top 5 in a row, cant deny that) 2. Flusha (3 majors 1 major mvp, deserved top 1 in 2014 over gtr, mulitple other top 20s, great guy overall, and really spearheaded this current vibe of the best being hated, also kickstarted the BR core with donations) 3. Cold (2 majors 2 major mvps 2x top 1, unfortunately not much else outside of those 2 years but still a great run and must be respected) 4. GTR (1 major 2x top 1 and great legacy being one of the only players to be dominant in csgo and 1.6, started the first era in csgo and redefined the lurk role) 5. KennyS (1 major 1 major mvp, redefined awping, need i say more? also robbed of top 3 in 2014) 6. Olof (2 majors 1 major mvp 1x top 1, unfortunately his injury cut his prime short but he basically forced valve to nerf pistols alone, also leader of the strongest era at the time) 7. F0rest (top 2 player in 1.6 history coming into csgo with multiple top 10 hltv placings and a prime that lasted basically all the way, delivering even when his counterparts dropped off) 8. this is where the no major players start to come in, like s1mple guardian niko, but players like falleN, gla1ve, shox, also deserve consideration
2020-01-22 05:29
You're absolutely right. We don't need to discuss. At the end history will tell us who is better, and who is a fluke.
2020-01-22 15:56
#38
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Denmark bebm 
just tired of fangays defending players like s1mple and niko so hard because of their raw skill raw skill doesnt always cut it unfortunately Big respect to the top 7 players i mentioned there for being skilled, but also smart with their play to the point where haters try to claim they arent skilled
2020-01-22 19:34
+10000
2020-01-23 16:17
why did you start a discussion if you don't even wanna debate?
2020-01-22 05:23
#34
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Denmark bebm 
i do want to debate, im just tired of hearing the false notion that highest peak = greatest of all time because ive already disproven that theory if u have a valid arguement for why s1mple, or any other player/situiation, deserves to be looked at ill take a listen but just saying he had the highest peak isnt gonna cut it You watch basketball? Most dominant of all time? shaq/wilt greatest? mj/lebron/kareem
2020-01-22 05:26
If someone wins EVEVRYTHING for like 2 years, without winning majors, they're probably still one of the best ever majors dont matter as much as people think they do, but they still matter more
2020-01-23 04:01
#47
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Denmark bebm 
thats the thing, there hasnt been a single year of csgo history where a team was winning a mad amount of events without taking home a major the 2 closest were sk 2017 who won 6 big events and i think 8 or 9 total trophies that year, but they already had 2 majors from 2016 so that wasnt a concern also liquid this year, but they only won events in the summer, if liquid basically continued their summer run into the fall and winter without taking a SL berlin, that would be basically what ur example is however thats never happened
2020-01-23 12:39
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