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americans and freedom..
Germany Jerman 
why do they think that they have any more freedom than any other first world western country? they have to pay taxes aswell, have to document and report almost everything they do (finances etc).. or do they mean it literally as in being free to buy weapons and "be able to protect themselves"? i mean here in germany i don't have any weapon but yet i feel perfectly safe. americans explain please!
2020-01-22 19:24
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As an European it was always hard for me to understand American culture. What was fascinating for me is that they like bragging about their freedom which was weird for me, because I didn't think that I have any less freedom than them. I always thought 'What is the difference'. However after this game I finally understand it. NA is just so free.
2020-01-22 19:25
lmao
2020-01-22 19:25
#68
Aleksib | 
Finland Mamppa 
When I first time read that I was literally rolling on my ass :D
2020-01-22 20:21
Germany has basically no free speech, so there's that also we have guns so 0/8
2020-01-22 19:25
#6
keev | 
Europe Adenauer 
GERMANS are allowed to criticise the government, they are just NOT allowed deny obvious facts like the holocaust.
2020-01-22 19:27
#9
2020-01-22 19:28
what do you understand under free speech? im free to say anything i want as long as it's not some racist bullshit like denying the holocaust etc
2020-01-22 19:27
> as it's not some racist bullshit like denying the holocaust etc Yeah, so, no free speech. Your freedom is absolute, and only stops where others end. You should be able to go around crying about the jewish conspiracy, all you want, without fearing legal repercussions.
2020-01-22 19:28
yeah 0/8 bruv
2020-01-22 19:29
lol no arguments but okay
2020-01-22 19:30
if your only argument is that denying the holocaust is severley limiting you from making use of your free speech then i don't really see a point in continuing this conversation
2020-01-22 19:32
Who gets to decide what a fact is? If a government can decide that you can be arrested for saying things that arent "factual", then they also get to decide what qualifies as "factual" There is no reason for this beyond political control. Who is this law helping? what problem is it fixing?
2020-01-22 19:36
I tried to explain that to someone else yesterday but they can't look beyond what they have now. They don't understand that the government can exploit these laws
2020-01-22 20:04
smart jermen +1
2020-01-22 20:11
#76
syrsoN | 
Germany Koxky 
"A prison sentence of up to five years or a fine shall be imposed on anyone who publicly or in an act under the rule of National Socialism of the kind described in Section 6 (1) of the International Criminal Code in a manner that is likely to disturb public peace Assembly approves, denies or downplayes." The law only applies to the atrocities commited by the Nazis.
2020-01-23 14:38
+1 smart jerman
2020-01-22 19:34
#30
keev | 
Europe Adenauer 
+1
2020-01-22 19:37
your government decides which thoughts are expressible and which ones are punishable. That is not free speech.
2020-01-22 19:43
+1 I think he's been beaten
2020-01-22 19:47
+1 "free speech but you can't say this"
2020-01-22 20:01
+1
2020-01-22 20:03
+1
2020-01-22 20:05
Nah. You are held liable in pretty much every country if you spit out lies. In Russia and China you get killed for truth.
2020-01-22 19:51
example in the us? Even so, the difference is that those kinds of laws are unconstitutional, (and I vehemently disagree with the ruling that free speech is subject to "limitations" during war time), and should be challenged in every case they appear. They are not unconstitutional in most countries.
2020-01-22 19:54
The washington post report about the Covington kid would be an example. The guy sued and Washington post paid 250 million to settle it. I think it's because defamation is still an offense in USA which would limit free speech
2020-01-22 20:07
there's an argument to be made that true defamation is "infringing on someone's rights" It is hurting someone, hurting their reputation
2020-01-22 20:13
source on the settlement amount? I do not believe that's a matter of public record
2020-01-23 14:24
I'm sorry I was mistaken. They were sued for 275 million dollar, the settlement information is not public
2020-01-23 23:07
#21
keev | 
Europe Adenauer 
ok so no country has real freedom of speech?
2020-01-22 19:34
You cant be locked up for saying "incorrect" things in the US. Denying the holocaust, as dumb as it is, isn't infringing on anyone's rights.
2020-01-22 19:35
#29
keev | 
Europe Adenauer 
You can still be heavily fined for insulting others nbcnews.com/news/latino/new-york-city-ba.. thats not what freedom of speech looks like
2020-01-22 19:37
That law should be challenged in court. That is in violation of the 1st amendment, plain and simple.
2020-01-22 19:39
It is not. You are free to speak all you like. Dont just go crying if get fined or locked up if you lied.
2020-01-22 19:52
If you are being punished by the government for saying something that isn't an incitement of violence or a credible threat, it qualifies as a violation of the 1st amendment.
2020-01-22 19:56
No. You are not allowed to lie under oath.
2020-01-22 20:14
Under Oath, in a court setting, is potentially damaging to the defendant, IE infringing on someone's rights.
2020-01-22 20:15
Nope. Eat shit flat earthist.
2020-01-22 20:31
lmao what
2020-01-22 20:31
Your level of reasoning is at same level. We should let you push that Russian shit propaganda freely while you kill all journalists?
2020-01-22 20:32
W H A T? I don't believe that someone should be punished for a wrong a opinion. I certainly don't believe `the government should get to decide what's factual IM SUCH A RUSSIAN!
2020-01-22 20:33
You're completely missing the point of FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
2020-01-22 19:57
The difference being, that law is (probably) unconstitutional, and will probably end up being challenged if it's ever actually enforced. That isn't an option in germany as far as i'm aware.
2020-01-22 19:40
#4
keev | 
Europe Adenauer 
2020-01-22 19:25
Yeah sorry but destroying other peoples property isn't something you can do here. Key word was "stolen" flag. 16 years though wtf
2020-01-23 23:10
Nt, only Americans have healthcare bills. Don't you browse reddit? That's why I'm voting for Bernie Sanders.
2020-01-22 19:28
#59
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United States America! 
+1
2020-01-22 20:07
they can buy weapons, tons of weapons :)
2020-01-22 19:29
ok and now? whats so amazing about that? that your kids can steal them and shoot up their school?
2020-01-22 19:30
They have freedom of speech, we don't
2020-01-22 19:30
#17
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Reunion FakeFrenchie 
No country has absolute freedom of speech, but the USA does have slightly more than Germany, I guess.
2020-01-22 19:32
The US has much more than Germany
2020-01-22 19:34
their so called freedom of speech is just an illusion lol. look at the people who criticized stuff like the transgender situation in sports. they weren't put in jail but their career is long over
2020-01-22 19:34
I guess you don't know wht freedom of speech is then
2020-01-22 19:35
"the power or right to express one's opinions without censorship, restraint, or legal penalty."
2020-01-22 19:36
Yes. From the government, not from private.people
2020-01-22 19:37
"in housing, public accommodations and employment."
2020-01-22 19:39
#33
keev | 
Europe Adenauer 
So?
2020-01-22 19:39
These are discrimination laws for businesses, not for private citizens
2020-01-22 19:40
#37
keev | 
Europe Adenauer 
So freedom of speech has limits, got it.
2020-01-22 19:41
I never said they had absolute freedom.
2020-01-22 19:42
this law is unconstitutional and will likely be challenged in a higher court of appeals
2020-01-23 14:31
Serbia the only real free country
2020-01-22 19:34
#38
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Norway Markus98h 
The thing is, America actually have the most freedom of all. In Germany you will be arrested for have swastika in public. In America, you are literally free to support whatever you want, you can even use swastika in public without face punishment. In many European countries , you will be sentance to prison for talk loud against mass immigration, you wont be that in America. In UK you literally get prison for share memes on facebook, or teach your dogs to do funny shit. In Norway, all offensive comments are being shadow banned (only you can see them, other cannot). Free speech should also incloud hate speech. Becaude if Hate Speech isnt allowed, then the left will call everything hate speech. If you call Trans for mental illness, hate sprech and prison cell waiting for you.
2020-01-22 19:45
#41
keev | 
Europe Adenauer 
In USA you go to prison for burning a LBGT flag LMFAO but hey, its ok to be a nazi xaxaxaxaxa
2020-01-22 19:45
#42
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Norway Markus98h 
You should be allowed to burn LGBT flag as long as you own it. This man did NOT own the public LGBT flag setup by the corrupt church. Try burn someone else stuff in Germany, and you will quickily realize you get prison for that as well.
2020-01-22 19:56
#50
keev | 
Europe Adenauer 
didnt happen in germany so far :)
2020-01-22 19:57
#61
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Norway Markus98h 
Multiple people have been jailed for burning cars in Germany. A flag is a thing, a car is a thing. Should be same punishment. This is equality, not equity as you want. Equality = should ve threated the same. Equity = Different threatenment based on what. Tax are equity, based on how much you earn. Burning things in many lefties country is based on equity; the more it worth, the harsher punishment. I like equality more than equity.
2020-01-22 20:15
#47
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Reunion FakeFrenchie 
That's because it was someone else's property, dumbass.
2020-01-22 19:56
#51
keev | 
Europe Adenauer 
16 year prison for burning someone else's flag? Jeez
2020-01-22 19:57
#55
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Norway Markus98h 
Yes?
2020-01-22 20:03
#54
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Norway Markus98h 
^^ What he (FakeFrenchie) says. And yes, being a nazi supports should be allowed - and it is in America. I personally believe ik counter-argument belief than censore speech and belief.
2020-01-22 20:02
#48
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Sweden Akoulad 
God bless America
2020-01-22 19:56
#67
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Norway Markus98h 
+111 god bless america from Norway
2020-01-22 20:16
Why do you care so much? Is it an inferiority complex?
2020-01-22 20:16
it's because they dont have any OCEAN
2020-01-23 14:32
#77
Friis | 
Denmark baitzera 
The majority of them are actually less free. Workers have far less rights and most have only around 2 weeks of holiday a year, where as in Denmark most have 6 weeks of payed holiday a year. Not to mention maternity and paterniy leaves where they also a very lacking. Another thing that's totally weird is that you are not even allowed to dring alcohol in public. Can't even sit and relax in a park with a beer. Something you would expect in countries like Saudi Arabia. Also according to the Freedom in the world map. USA only scores 86/100 where as most EU countries score higher and Norway and Sweden both score 100/100 and Denmark 97/100. freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/fr..
2020-01-23 14:46
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