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S1mple > Zywoo
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Poland DE_PRESSION_OG 
Better sniper, better rifler, better leading a team youtube.com/watch?v=7SzvjW8H450 twitter.com/HLTVorg/status/1219266749792.. cry is free
2020-01-22 23:25
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it isnt really a debate anymore only baiters claim zywho is better
2020-01-22 23:26
#2
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Poland DE_PRESSION_OG 
+1
2020-01-22 23:27
Lol if tou cant understand this you really bad in cs
2020-01-22 23:32
<3 karrigan case closed
2020-01-23 19:22
+1 s1mple is too good
2020-01-22 23:35
#16
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Denmark ntnoscene 
But still, we all know that ZywOo is better than whole avangar
2020-01-23 02:05
lmao even furia are better
2020-01-23 23:30
The numbers leave little doubt that ZywOo dominated the game in 2019. With an average 1.30 rating, five MVP medals and just as many EVPs, ZywOo was a top performer in the biggest stages and had a year that matched the best in history. He was ranked first for damage per round (86.1) and second for kills per round (0.83) and percentage of multi-kill rounds (21.9%), but what truly elevated his game and made him the most impactful player of the year (1.40 Impact rating) was his ability to both open up and close out rounds. He had the second-highest opening kills per round ratio (0.14) and the fifth-best success in opening duels (61.3%), while he was just outside the top-five in terms of clutches, with 61 1vsX situations won.
2020-01-23 09:11
#27
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Austria Vlaams_Welpje 
not even close to s1mple 2018 Performance and s1mple in 2019 had a 1,29 Rating 0,01 lower then Zywoo
2020-01-23 09:13
See the difference in impact rating
2020-01-23 09:14
#31
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Austria Vlaams_Welpje 
0,07 difference wow so much
2020-01-23 09:18
If you think thats not much than there is no point in talking with you
2020-01-23 09:20
#53
Rob4 | 
Europe Didnt_ask 
+1
2020-01-23 11:19
+1 but it isn’t too much and it isn’t too big tbh.
2020-01-23 15:26
+1
2020-01-23 16:06
+1
2020-01-23 19:22
Game wasn't as competitive in 2018, which can be seen in 2019 as we witnessed the downfall and slump from s1mple when he couldn't keep up with better players.
2020-01-23 09:17
#34
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Austria Vlaams_Welpje 
bruh 2019 wasnt competitve lmao astralis not playing good a lot of good Teams not participating in tourny a lot of roster changes vs 2018 where there were many good Teams and s1mple carried navi to top2 consistently not hitting it once like vitality 2020 will be the most competitive and ill will be crazy to watch
2020-01-23 09:20
by following this logic 2018 was even less competitive as can be seen from the slump from s0mple in 2019. He just couldn't keep up with the new generation of players who had more mechanical skill, raw aim, faster reactions and superior game sense. RIP s0mple
2020-01-23 09:31
#51
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Austria Vlaams_Welpje 
0/8
2020-01-23 10:15
#92
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Denmark bebm 
game was FAR more competitive this year Last year S tier teams: Astralis sometmes navi but not always liquid until playoffs faze at the start but not after this year S tier teams Astralis Liquid Ence at the start Fnatic at the start and at the very end Mouz at the end Vitality in the middle NRG/EG middle-end
2020-01-23 15:51
"slump" name checks out
2020-01-23 11:36
#72
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Netherlands AntiGrease 
I was actually typing a serious reply but username checks out almost got me though =]
2020-01-23 14:39
Hello
2020-01-23 16:20
#62
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Brazil cotoadriano 
you simply can't compare performances from player between different years yeah, if you compare 2018 simple with 2019 zywoo, his stats were slightly better but hey, in 2018 we didn't have zywoo in the top scene.
2020-01-23 12:16
#121
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North America 007DBR9 
and that was s1mple's third year
2020-01-23 16:30
#120
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North America 007DBR9 
zywoo started playing late 2018 s1mple late 2015, if anything we should be comparing 2019 zywoo to 2016 s1mple, and it's not even a contest at that point. zywoo 19 s1mple 22, age gap fits perfectly with this method.
2020-01-23 16:29
+1
2020-01-23 14:57
+1
2020-01-23 09:49
+1
2020-01-23 11:54
#3
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United Arab Emirates knowledgeAAA 
both are beast but i love s1mple
2020-01-22 23:27
#4
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Germany Jixxahh_CS 
gays stap faking panic wi gona destroi zem nay
2020-01-22 23:30
#5
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Poland DE_PRESSION_OG 
he did what he say
2020-01-22 23:30
+1
2020-01-22 23:31
Allu > all confirmed
2020-01-22 23:31
but his shit attitude, ego, baiter brings him down to not even a top5 player zywoo is better, a guy like s1mple can destroy his own team just with his trash attitude
2020-01-22 23:33
leading a team, flashing for teammates, stepping down from awp in the team to be more mobile for a team >calling him a baiter lmao
2020-01-22 23:34
you are clearly his fanboy not going to argue with you
2020-01-22 23:35
kkkkkkkk boa mano
2020-01-23 15:00
#28
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Austria Vlaams_Welpje 
i would also tilt
2020-01-23 09:13
destroying liquid flipside hr... nice teamplayer
2020-01-23 09:36
I mean they would be a lot worse without him probably There is no lineup who can get #5 without s1mple
2020-01-23 14:32
#93
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Denmark bebm 
his current lineup isnt even top 5 his team wasnt even top 5 this entire year in fact the only year s1mple had a top 5 team for the year overall was 2018 and that year was dominated by astralis with everyone else in the dust
2020-01-23 15:52
So what? He brought liquid to major finals And without him they wouldn even be top10 He just needs decent teammates besides electronic, because there is always someone fucking the team like zeus, edward, or seized. And now they have bot guardian so how can the team make progress while playing with Bots?
2020-01-23 16:50
+1
2020-01-23 02:09
+1
2020-01-23 09:02
"ego" ahahahhaha who tf are you to know that???))))
2020-01-23 15:29
#123
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North America 007DBR9 
0/8 you know it's tru
2020-01-23 16:31
why is it true
2020-01-23 18:11
+1
2020-01-23 02:09
#19
zakk | 
Brazil dr.konig 
Not according to hltv top20. And i agree: #1 zywoo 2019
2020-01-23 02:13
Zywoo ez n1 haha Cry Simple fans haha ezzzz Ezzzzz Simple nooooooob bot not even top 5
2020-01-23 02:15
#21
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Iceland g_w 
Where was S1mple & device at 19 yrs old? 1. Device: dating 17 yrs old girls 2. S1mple: popping out facial acne Zywoo : carrying team to n#2 spot
2020-01-23 08:57
Here's the footage of ZyWoo carrying Vitality to 2nd spot imgur.com/gallery/0DKGWlD
2020-01-23 09:06
#32
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Iceland g_w 
Hahaha French CS has a problem Kiyoshima is the problem
2020-01-23 09:18
#124
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North America 007DBR9 
kio isn't even doing anything, poor guy
2020-01-23 16:32
#66
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Yugoslavia al0)) 
haahahahahahahaha
2020-01-23 14:32
s0mple baiter see difference between rating and impact hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?match..
2020-01-23 09:07
"Baiter" was 2nd best Entry fragger in 2019.
2020-01-23 09:23
Baiting his whole team to boost stats at major 0.54 dpr lmao
2020-01-23 09:25
Prove that he was baiting his team... You are just dumb dude. It's Na`Vi, if you're baiting - you will be kicked. And calling top2 Entry fragger of 2019 a baiter is more than just retarded.
2020-01-23 09:28
Maybe watch the matches of major and you will see how big of a baiter he is
2020-01-23 09:29
Maybe prove your words instead of just stating some bullshit? If you hate S1mple, then use proper critics at least, instead of using fake shit.
2020-01-23 09:30
Ok lets see At major he had 1.19 rating with 1.03 impact His opening rating was 1.08 hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?matc.. His k/d was 1.32 His teammate boombl4 had 1.07 rating with 1.11 impact and 0.95 kd Zywoo had 1.26 kd and 1.22 rating with 1.28 impact and 1.33 opening rating s1mple had insane k/d but low impact and low opening kills rating and very low deaths per round This proves he farmed stats at major and didn't have impact with the awp and baited his team
2020-01-23 09:40
#125
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North America 007DBR9 
another libtard successfully destroyed with facts and logic
2020-01-23 16:34
#81
Frankie | 
Ukraine d3adLY 
1.16 ZywOo and 1.24 s1mple at majors XXDAGHHAHH
2020-01-23 15:27
#47
2020-01-23 15:33
#89
Frankie | 
Ukraine d3adLY 
so lol? I said about 2 majors LOL ZywOo suck s at majors
2020-01-23 15:38
High rating because he farmed stats, how hard is it to understand
2020-01-23 15:57
yes, ZywOo farms stats because he has 4 teammates with <1 rating
2020-01-23 15:58
Ok so device >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> s1mple you agree? Because he also have 3 bots
2020-01-23 16:06
no
2020-01-23 16:14
Also 1.16 impact for s1mple vs 1.26 for zywoo
2020-01-23 15:59
2020-01-23 09:36
Ok, even if 5th, still being top Entry fragger automatically removes those shitty myths of haters about s1mple.
2020-01-23 09:36
he has the best surviving stats. He is hell of a baiter. I remember the game where he saved deagle and armor instead of dying and getting 3400 loss bonus money just to save his stats. simple is the biggest baiter in this game. Even coldzera is second.
2020-01-23 09:38
it makes sense that s1mple is last alive cuz he is the only one exept electronic who can clutch rounds out
2020-01-23 11:39
Zywoo is always tanking, makes open frags, rushes first into the meatgrinder and still maintains godlike stats. Simple is a baiter. He will be the first who rushes against eco to get some free stats. Zywoo stats >>>>>>> simple stats BTW simple played only against heroic, north and other trash teams while zywoo destroyed liquid in finals, killed astralis in cologne etc. Zywoo has 2x more maps played against top5, lol.
2020-01-23 14:29
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp.. s1mple's peak>>>>>>zywho's peak more maps and still way better stats ez for best player to ever touch the game,s1mple
2020-01-23 15:04
interesting stats, simple is winning 5 category and zywoo the 5 others, where do you see way better stats lol ? btw all the stats are insanely close... you shall admit it... ok 1.34 >> 1.31, ill give you that one, but both are outstanding.
2020-01-23 15:23
Don’t mind such retards. They just embrace other S1mple fans, so when somebody has a discussion with a S1mple fan, they don’t take them seriously. Same goes for ZywOo fans. S1mple 2018>>>Zywoo 2019 But zywoo 2019>S1mple 2019. Both are insane but there will be always retards who will call zywoo or S1mple thrash
2020-01-23 15:32
#96
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Denmark bebm 
S1mple 2018 with a top 4 teammate led his team to 3 big events Cologne Blast (heh) starseries (shit competition) Zywoo WITHOUT another top 40 teammate led his team to 2 big event wins Ecs (not as good as cologne but solid) Epicenter (not the best competition but better than starseries) its purely hypothetical what wouldve happened if zywoo had an amazing teammate helping him with the load which is why u cannot compare players in 2 different years, with 2 different situations
2020-01-23 15:56
and ESL Cologne final, though, for zywoo, one map away from the win ;)
2020-01-23 16:25
#118
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Denmark bebm 
he was 2 maps away since liquid got them 3-1 and tbh it really wasnt even close liquid dominated their 3 map wins and lost map 2 to the crowd gifting zywoo the 1v1 location at 18-17 but with all of that said, he still defeated astralis in the semifinals, something s1mple couldnt do all year he defeated liquid in the finals of summit, granted that was a smaller event, s1mple didnt beat liquid in a bo3 a single time the entire year zywoo also carried his team to 2 event wins big events and 2 other big event finals at malmo cologne s1mple only won 1 event, at starseries, with elec at like 1.3 rating, not really beating any top tier teams, and didnt make any other finals zywoo was 100% better than s1mple this year personally i think elige and device were both better than s1mple this year aswell but hltv has a tendency to suck his dick so i guess hes top 2
2020-01-23 16:28
+1 agree with every single word.
2020-01-23 18:17
Fair enough, agree with everything mate ;)
2020-01-23 18:46
#127
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North America 007DBR9 
zywoo isn't at his peak yet, he's been playing in vita sense late 2018, whereas s1mple started late 2015. everyone here is retard lamo
2020-01-23 16:36
has zywoo had a better year so far than 2018? no. so he is at his peak right now. you're retarded and the facts show that s1mple>>>>zywho 0/8
2020-01-23 23:21
#150
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North America 007DBR9 
if he's at his peak right now then he is constantly getting better, s1mple is falling off lmfao
2020-01-23 23:26
no he's at his peak meaning that he won't have a better year than his last one which isn't in any single way better than s1mple's 2018 s1mple will smoke zywho in 2020 just wait for it lmao
2020-01-24 00:00
#160
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North America 007DBR9 
s0mple wil nevr get betr
2020-01-24 02:44
Double Post
2020-01-23 09:09
#35
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Italy CHEBBOxxx 
any day of the week
2020-01-23 09:21
Check the real opening duels stats. hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star..
2020-01-23 09:36
Zywoo big event deamhack open, cringe tournaments without Astralis, liquid etc
2020-01-23 11:16
Tf are you talking about? Vitality never attended any Dreamhack Open in 2019
2020-01-23 12:12
#108
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Denmark bebm 
also DH open isnt even a big event that kid is just a hater
2020-01-23 16:07
check top5 filter and u will see, that zywoo has 2x more maps against top5 teams than simple. rofl.
2020-01-23 14:30
LMAO s1mple still 5 EVP while NAVI played garbage in second half of the year, Zywoo had lucky that Navi had to struggle after departure of 2 veterans if they would win Epicenter or other tournament the #1 would not be clearly ez to pick.
2020-01-23 15:55
5mvps vs 1 mvp, btw.
2020-01-23 18:18
s1mple 6 mvp 4 evp 2018 device 7 mvp 6 evp
2020-01-23 18:59
check the name of ur topic. By that logic simple's 5evps do not matter as well
2020-01-23 19:39
#97
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Denmark bebm 
dreamhack open isnt a big event
2020-01-23 15:56
Lmao charleoi either or other shits
2020-01-23 15:59
#107
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Denmark bebm 
hltv.org/stats/events?startDate=2019-01-.. if anything, s1mple's big event stats are inflated due to blast zywoo actually plays real events
2020-01-23 16:06
No astralis no liquid etc thats what i said lmao only mouse good team in that event, navi still struggled with botdian etc.
2020-01-23 16:09
#110
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Denmark bebm 
NAVI WERE AT THOSE EVENTS LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO navi won starseries NO ASTRALIS NO LIQUID NAVI SUCKS DICK S0MPLE CANT EVEN BEAT ZYWOO IN A HEAD TO HEAD WHEN S0MPLE HAS ELEC ZYWOO IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN S0MPLE THAT HE COVERS S0MPLE + ELEC u said guardian sucks? all of zywoos teammates suck
2020-01-23 16:10
I mean epicenter and navi was shit in second half of the year s1mple still better rating in majors and lans also better in oppening duels nt.
2020-01-23 16:14
#113
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Denmark bebm 
navi was shit all year what u talkin about like i said earlier the literal only event they won was starseries and that was missing the best teams they didnt even make another finals after that at least zywoo can make finals and defeat the best teams from time to time
2020-01-23 16:15
Sry baguette but its true s1mple is best any gun best movement best clutch
2020-01-23 09:48
#57
zet | 
Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
u forgot best baiter, best team tilter
2020-01-23 11:51
#69
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Yugoslavia al0)) 
+1
2020-01-23 14:33
#50
Toxic | 
Switzerland SRB! 
Better baiter
2020-01-23 09:50
#54
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France OtelloO 
Each time Vitality faced Navi s1mple was cucked by Zywoo. I think the direct confrontations made the difference
2020-01-23 11:24
Could be because of being nervous tbh. You are the best player to ever touch this game and then a new player shows up who is almost as good as you. People compare you with him and then in a match you are nervous because people expect you to play god like.
2020-01-23 15:34
#130
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France OtelloO 
Best player in the world shouldn't be shaky and nervous when facing a contender. During these multiple direct confrontations Zywoo just looked at S2mple in the eyes and prove him that he was better.
2020-01-23 17:45
Maybe you are right.
2020-01-23 21:00
#59
zet | 
Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
s0mple: - extreme baiter, low impact, high K/D (see #47) - toxic team tilter (dotesports.com/counter-strike/news/starl..) - admitted he scammed kids - ESL ban for cheating
2020-01-23 11:56
+1
2020-01-23 14:25
#71
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Yugoslavia al0)) 
+1
2020-01-23 14:33
#82
Frankie | 
Ukraine d3adLY 
ZywOo -toxic -f at -noob -only bait
2020-01-23 15:27
Zywoo toxic ?
2020-01-23 15:35
#88
Frankie | 
Ukraine d3adLY 
yes
2020-01-23 15:37
Proof ?
2020-01-23 15:41
#91
Frankie | 
Ukraine d3adLY 
he from France
2020-01-23 15:47
+1
2020-01-23 16:35
#67
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Georgia NiceDickBro 
"better leading a team" nt green
2020-01-23 14:32
#70
Chem1 | 
Spain mokerz 
we all kno bro s1mple TOP1
2020-01-23 14:33
#73
gAndhi | 
Turkey sedo7 
baiting whole team but still #3 on opening duels, ewww
2020-01-23 14:41
Lmao look on vitality stats all the team <1.00 rating and thats why dev not gonna be ever #1 while he is separated by kills cause all of his team have over 1.10> rating, year by year baiters like coldzera or zywoo gonna steal the spot it's unfair.
2020-01-23 15:58
#75
s1mple | 
Ukraine YUR4S 
somedieyong>s1mple>device>electronic>zywoo
2020-01-23 14:59
You guys have the same stupidity as football hooligans. Who cares which one is top1 or 2 are you gonna get anything if simple top1 instead zywoo?
2020-01-23 15:26
Yes
2020-01-23 15:53
#101
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United States @Fridzu 
ok
2020-01-23 15:58
Cry is free indeed.
2020-01-23 16:03
#114
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Poland Adisky 
Although its obviously not true clip was funny
2020-01-23 16:19
Do you are have stupid?
2020-01-23 16:27
#119
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Poland Adisky 
Trust me I'm 160 iq
2020-01-23 16:28
#122
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Denmark Cleandog 
No
2020-01-23 16:30
#128
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Denmark U w0t m8? 
NaVi probably have the better roster, yet he is the only reason Vitality won 5 events, when NaVi only won 1 Zywoo > S1mple
2020-01-23 16:41
Dude they struggled half of the year they got hit by departure of best igl in CIS and rifler veteran, taking guardian grow them down and u talk that they had better roster lmao, they need to rebuild themself atm then we can talk.
2020-01-23 17:47
Navi 2 top 10 player mobile.twitter.com/Tgwri1s/status/121607.. Flamie who was considered in top 20 Also vitality removed nbk and added shox
2020-01-23 19:03
It was a little bit change not hard at all, alex took full igl role and shox just went into support.
2020-01-23 19:03
Talking about "better roster" while vit barely have players above 1 rating none of them in top 50 probably Navi players is miles ahead and yet achieved only 1 tournament win and no second places
2020-01-23 19:09
#141
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Denmark U w0t m8? 
I'm talking about individual skill. Vitality only have one player you expect performing the most of the time. Where NaVi has 2/3. And vitality actually won a lot in 2019 (zywoo getting all mvps) where NaVi barely competed, in finals. You have to be dumb if you actually think simple was more impactful in 2019.
2020-01-23 19:21
Alex also playing decent sometimes also trash playing of other players is because of their role u know that zywoo is star player here and he need to do everything and they just exist to help him lul
2020-01-23 19:22
Yea they throw sick flashes and zywoo gets all the kills
2020-01-23 19:25
S1mple top 1 hltv con nfirmed
2020-01-23 18:15
#146
LaimB | 
Lithuania Martis 
S1mple is better at tilting the team
2020-01-23 19:30
And another deluded fan of the ukrainian zywoo we can add to the list.
2020-01-23 23:30
S1mple 2018 >>>>>>>>>>>> zywoo 2019 but S1mple 2019 is almost = zywoo 2019
2020-01-23 23:30
who?
2020-01-24 00:30
You make more thread on ZywOo than ZywOo fans, you are so obsessed with him it's saddening
2020-01-23 23:32
U known I'm right and u are triggered inside but trying hide it aaxaxa i know mens)))
2020-01-24 00:35
if simple was better then why would Zywoo be hltv number 1 and simple number 2 ? cry is free bb bot
2020-01-24 00:45
Zywoo achieved better team results while he is literally the only good player in Vitality.
2020-01-24 00:46
wrong
2020-01-24 14:20
fnatic
2.34
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1.65
forZe
1.58
Spirit
2.35
Nemiga
1.97
Nordavind
1.80
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