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RTX GPU's really suck.
United Kingdom sirdetmist 
Ray tracing is the definition of a gimmick. Then lets talk about another issue is gaming, the only real way to get insanely high FPS and fill 240hz monitors is with multi GPU's, thats dying so for someone whos always used multi GPU almost every option leads to a down grade in overall performance.
2020-01-23 00:15
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Ray tracing it's just marketing, nobody need this shit
2020-01-23 00:17
But the GTX line can do it so its even worse it was a complete lie.
2020-01-23 00:18
No wtf. They didn't say it can't do it. But pascal does it like garbage. It's uncomparable to Turing. Stop talking shit.
2020-01-23 17:34
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Dominican Republic casxd 
Ray tracing yeah pure shit, "OhOOo LoOk it EmUlaAteEs ShaDoWwS LiKEeE rEeAL LiFeE" bs. DLSS is the real deal tho
2020-01-24 22:35
Once the performance is there and the games take advantage it will be amazing. Right now it more a gimmick, but so was a lot of things we now take for granted.
2020-01-26 00:00
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Qatar Number2awper 
+1000000
2020-01-28 05:42
Price per performance is bullshit. For over a decade the premium cards stayed the same price until recent times.
2020-01-23 00:19
Yeah i know, high end should be 400-500 maximum, these new cars are like like 600 for anything high end so if you have a 1080ti or 2 1080s theres no avenue to upgrade at all, whats the point it costs too much and gives you nothing almost or nothing worth that much.
2020-01-23 00:21
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
Well Nvidia have a monopoly in ray tracing consumer gpus right now so they can do what they like When AMD brings out cards with real time ray tracing Nvidia cards will probably drop in price
2020-01-23 00:22
AyyMD did ray tracing before novideo
2020-01-23 00:31
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
Then where are their consumer ray tracing cards They might have already demonstrated that the technology works but until they actually sell it that's irrelevant
2020-01-23 00:33
Anyhow, rtx is practically useless for competitive gaming and the Radeon series GPUs have a much better value proposition at their price point (with the exception of the 5500xt).
2020-01-23 00:36
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
Who said RTX was about competitive gaming? It's just about making things look pretty The most competitive game I've seen with RTX is BFV and that's still a pretty casual FPS
2020-01-23 00:38
Even then it's iffy on its use case. It only really has a benefit if you're wanting to play low fps with good visuals or doing video editing. Use case is really small
2020-01-23 00:41
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
Remember this is the first gen of this technology, it's not going to be ideal yet, but it will eventually
2020-01-23 00:43
Ok then but dont make them cost so much that there are irrelevant, it makes no sense, they are doing it because they have no competition, its intel all over again and its as usual AMD's fault.
2020-01-23 00:57
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
How is RTX irrelevant? Real time ray tracing is a huge step forward in technology Even if still only a small amount of people use it, it's not irrelevant. The lower end RTX cards are pretty well priced anyway.
2020-01-23 00:59
Because its got cards around cheaper than its high end that perform almost as well as it and it cant even do whats its meant for at a high enough FPS to justify its own existence. In BFV the 2080TI gets on average 72FPS with RT on, 72FPS from a £1000 GPU, thats £13.88p a frame, its awful. Seventy fucking two.
2020-01-23 01:06
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
Once again its the FIRST gen of this technology in a consumer product and if you look at the price to performance without Raytracing on it is a viable option...
2020-01-28 05:00
It’s second gen now and still has no common use case
2020-01-23 01:15
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
Idk if the super cards really count as second gen RTX, but I'll rephrase it It's still the early days of the technology
2020-01-23 01:22
It doesnt matter how early it is, its being sold so it has to hold up and it doesnt.
2020-01-23 01:24
#115
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
But it does?
2020-01-23 12:41
72FPS on a 1000 pound card isnt holding up.
2020-01-23 17:36
#124
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
What an ignorant statement
2020-01-23 17:37
what is this usa vs uk talk
2020-01-23 12:45
I hope AMD has spent 5 years in engineering to make console ray-tracing so weird that nvidia cards have no chance of running it well. Might force nVidia to ditch theirs for an open standard like gsync died.
2020-01-26 00:12
just depends on the card you buy. most of the super high end cards are not even using more than 60% of what they can do. so right now the hardware is way past the software, but they keep releasing newer and newer tech while the software people are scrambling to catch up. the best card for the money out right now is the 1660 ti, hands down. it kills everything else out there even near the price range. tweaked right it blows all the 2060's out of the water and is on par with the best 2070's plus you still get ray tracing even they say it doesnt support it. ive had just about every card out there, sold all the super high end ones like the 2080ti and the 2070 ti or super, now i rock the 1660ti and i couldnt be happier. i play in 1080p and it will run 1440 no problem but i dont like how it looks honestly so i got rid of my 1440 monitor as well and went back to my like 8 year old asus 144hz monitor. also if your a crypto miner like i am the 1660 ti smash everything out there per watt besides the radeon vii. as of right now im running 12 of them in a mining rig and its killing it! 70 watts a card running wide open. love the returns im getting now. couldnt be happier with their new chipset with the ddr6
2020-01-23 00:35
"look at the card I bought, its the best card out there because I just bought it"
2020-01-23 01:29
+1
2020-01-23 01:47
lol
2020-01-23 02:06
Lol yea ok. I’ve done the testing and sold my 2080 and couldn’t be happier spend more it’s ur money. Oh but wait ur Russian ur poor.
2020-01-25 06:01
1660 ti Being better value than 5600xt Choose one
2020-01-23 03:20
5600xt is a great card it just cost more and runs more watts. I sold my 2080 and I couldn’t be happier it’s funny to see so many people who know nothing about gpu’s come on here and talk.
2020-01-25 06:01
Plus most are 4gb. If u put the 1660ti up against it oc’d the 1660ti our performs it plain and simple, you can find new 1660ti everywhere on Craigslist for 200$ or under new. Their market share blows the 5600 Xt out of the water, thus why they are more. Well that and most FPS game out there are better optimized for Nvidia.
2020-01-25 06:09
smoke weed everyday... you are delusional, the 1660 Ti looses against any 2060 and the 2070 absolutely destroys it.
2020-01-23 17:27
Lol ur cute u must know shit about oc
2020-01-25 05:59
because you can only OC a 1660Ti, yeah.
2020-01-25 12:17
Lol I don’t think you get it. It’s all performance per dollar. Sure a fully maxed out 2070 will out perform it, but how much and how much more money? A card that is double the price (well actually more than double) doesn’t equate to double the performance if it did I would of held on to my 2080. Also your nothing thinking of power consumption what so ever, I am. Put the two side by side even on csgo and the difference is minimal, hell even on pubg it’s not much. Now if you were using these cards for auto cad or other high demanding thing yes you would be correct. But for gaming exp FPS games it’s just not worth it. I think this is one of the main reasons prices are coming down and so many people are offloading the 20 series cards. Even the pros don’t rock these cards in their home builds, most are still running the 980ti and there’s a reason.
2020-01-25 19:50
performance per dollar yet Intel > AMD in cpu and graphics
2020-01-26 15:34
Yea amd is cheaper it just most games are made for the nvidia software and mostly optimized for nvidia. Amd really needs to step up their game and grab a higher share of the market or intel is always going to out perform them in games even with amd’s Higher ghz and core counts. If ur doing rendering and shit like this amd absolutely blows intel away. Just for games it’s the other way around and honestly I wish it wasn’t like this as I do like amd’s products
2020-01-27 21:08
Yeah, but those cards offer more and more performance. Also what we have now is so much better than a decade ago it is just we also demand more.
2020-01-26 00:01
5600xt is good value tho
2020-01-23 00:20
Ray tracing is not a gimmick, it is a real evolution of rendering and both major gpu companies are invested in it. Having a dual GPU setup would require a shit ton of money just to build and also add to your power supply cost and electric bills.
2020-01-23 00:20
Its a gimmick, its not a useful feature at this point, until then it is its a gimmick. Not really, GPU's dont really use that much power, infact PC's in general dont, i have 2 GPU's, i had 3 at one point and i have had multiple since 2011.
2020-01-23 00:22
I'm not sure what you would define useful in this scenario but for someone who renders actual animations it saves lots of time from actually creating shadows/light and provides better visuals for rendered videos. Therefore helping the content creator make money (useful). and yes really you are doubling your power consumption and there is lots of work into optimizing a game for a dual GPU setup. Most people aren't going to purchase 2 of the same GPU and if they do its much farther in the future for gaming or they are a content creator.
2020-01-23 00:27
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Ukraine NAVl 
+1 he has no idea what he's talking about
2020-01-23 00:50
Useful is when a new technology doesnt set you back massively in terms of performance and actually justifies its own existence with what it does RT does neither. 72fps in BFV with RT on from a 1000 GPU.
2020-01-23 01:19
I don't think you read what I typed and neither do I think you actually care so clearly this conversation isn't worth your or my time.
2020-01-23 04:41
not to mention the overwhelming majority of games don't properly support SLI
2020-01-23 02:07
Its not the overwhelming majority and good percentage do but more should its the most powerful option and only way to truly get the FPS enthusiasts are after, one GPU just doesnt cut it.
2020-01-23 02:14
i had (2) 1080's in SLI for a while and like no games i have/tried truly supported SLI. you need nvidia inspector, the right profiles, and the games STILL don't perform that well SLI is a dying/dead concept.... it's not worth developers' time
2020-01-23 02:16
Ive never had that issue, 90% of the games i play support it, the scaling might not be perfect but id say i get an extra 50-70% better FPS.
2020-01-23 02:21
no.... they don't developers haven't built SLI support into their games for a while now. you're using software to manipulate the rendering of the game to make it work. there's a huge difference SLI is not worth it for the consumer, it's not worth it for the developers, and it's a terribly bad investment today maybe like 10 years ago it was
2020-01-23 02:23
Yeah the support should be better as its the only way to get the true next generation level of performance one GPU simply doesnt cut it for many things.
2020-01-23 02:38
So you're playing games from like 2007 then? No need for SLI anymore man, just upgrade from your 480's like the rest of us )))))
2020-01-23 17:32
Actually your wrong, i play with surround no single GPU is powerful enough to give you high enough FPS with 3 screens not even close infact, single GPU's still arent powerful enough, also i have 2 1080 TI.
2020-01-23 17:38
The standard resolution to play games in is still 1080p. And the RTX GPUs can handle 1080p60 at Max settings in pretty much all games (except in buggy messes like RDR2). Surround is a cool concept, but I fucking hate it's implementation in nivdias control panel. Hence I've never bothered to use it. As for SLI, nvidia probably felt that AFR and CFR doesn't deliver the proportional performance to want to advertise it. Since not many use it anymore, they don't care about it as much either.
2020-01-23 17:46
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
So you're saying that you paid 2x for another GPU and only got 1.6x the performance? Isn't this the same issue you had with RTX, that the price increase doesn't match the performance? Kinda hypocritical if you ask me
2020-01-23 17:36
Yes because its the only way to power 3 screen at the FPS i want, one GPU simply wont do it and one RTX card wont do it either, 2 GPU's unfortunately is the only way to get enough FPS in the games that support it for a setup like that since GPU's arent really progressing fast enough, 20-30% in what 3 years, thats pathetic. The 2080 TI is multi GPU money for a single GPU.
2020-01-23 18:41
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
And an RTX card is the only way to play games with real time ray tracing at the moment? The hypocrisy is just disappointing
2020-01-23 18:43
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Senegal Rinko 
it would have been good if it didn't drop the performance to over a half
2020-01-23 00:36
we all start somewhere
2020-01-23 00:39
How about start when the technology works and stop releasing shit into the consumer market and then use it as a excuse as to why you can charge 1000 because only this has this technology then go back on it later and say the gtx series can do it aswell.
2020-01-23 01:14
lmao why are you sooooo salty here's a hint: just. don't. buy. them.
2020-01-23 02:09
Heres a hint, Nvidia should stop trying to take advantage and actually be a little consumer oriented. Do we really want Intel all over again.
2020-01-23 02:13
how much have u cried over this today? if u don't like NVIDIA's products, don't buy them. lmao what do u think is gonna happen from going on HLTV and bitching and complaining like a little kid?
2020-01-23 02:15
Not at all, its just sad that PC gaming is becoming worse and worse. Actually it all starts from places like this.
2020-01-23 02:17
quite honestly PC gaming is beyond better than ever lol.... far more people are investing in PC rigs, the games are phenomenal, esports are exploding, and the dev support is better than ever what on earth are you even talking about?
2020-01-23 02:19
When it comes to gaming, games are getting worse, GPU's cost way too much, the only good thing has been CPU's.
2020-01-23 02:39
rtt will change gaming for the good. the bad part is when the game makers implement it, its going to kill off all the older cards that are weak. anything with ddr4 or ddr5 with less than 6gb here soon will be worthless as soon as the newer games are realeased. rummors are already talking of a 3080ti that is 50x more powerful than the 2080ti.. which is fucking insane... that card will be so far ahead of its time realistically, it will be useless lol.. it wont even break a sweat running anything at max levels, this card will be super over priced for what it is unless your a video/animation person or running super hard auto cad programs.. these cards have a lot more uses than just gaming tho most people buy them for gaming. there are so many good choices out right now from nvidia the market is flooded.. i know more and more people ditching the 2080's-2070'sand 2060's right now just to get their money back and "downgrading" to the 1660ti. the 1660ti is one of the best cards ever produced by nvidia, runs at such low wattage for what you get out of it its nuts... the overclocking ability is unmatched on a sub 300$usd card, and you can find them new for 200$ on your local craigslist. hell i bought 4 of them this week for 200$ locally and slapped them in a miner.
2020-01-23 00:42
i mean the 3080ti you speak of sounds scary but also exciting because i really want to move to 4K gaming but even with the best card out there its really not that great. Of course there is also the cost of a 4k monitor.
2020-01-23 00:44
yea right now even 1440 gaming is sketchy, not because of the video cards its all in the software and optimizations for any said game. right now 1080p is where its at while you can do 1440 with a good video card and some tweaking the frame rates bounce all over the place and hardly and games are truly not set up to run it like it should. i have buddies who game in 4k and in 1440 currently on titles like pubg and tarkov. only one of them has been able to get stable frames in 4k and the funny part is hes running a 1080ti.
2020-01-23 00:46
how is 1440p sketchy? i've been running all of my games, except the really old ones, on 1440p at max settings and i get great fps PUBG has never been optimized and tarkov is miles away from being a complete visual game
2020-01-23 02:11
define great????
2020-01-23 03:30
Lol right? This is exactly my point
2020-01-25 06:03
That’s exactly my point. The software isn’t caught up for it to be useful. 1440 is great but it runs like shit.
2020-01-25 06:03
??? what runs like shit? i have absolutely zero problems lol
2020-01-25 23:55
And what kind of FPS are u getting on what games and what settings? Like I said I know some people running 1440 that are getting decent FPS but they also get stutters constantly and they have bad ass setups, like best intel cpu out maxed out ram running 2080 ti’s. They are getting like 120 FPS in pubg running good settings but like I said they constantly get stutters and hate it. So maybe your just lucky lol or doing something that they are not
2020-01-27 21:12
X99A Gaming Pro Carbon i7 6850K @ 4.3ghz MSI Gaming X 1080Ti OCed 32gb 3,000mhz DDR4 Samsung 950 Pro M2 Samsung 850 Evo ASUS PG27UQ 4K @ 144hz monitor I play all of my games, except the super old ones and a select few that are optimized like garbage (GTA5 is a good example), at 2560x1440p max graphics settings (including CSGO). most games are somewhere between 130 - 200+ fps, but some newer ones like Division 2 will go down below 90 at times, depending on what's going on in the game. But most AAA games like DOOM 2016, the newer CoD games, BF4 and BF1, Forza Horizons 3 and 4, etc. get like 170 - 200fps+. Either way, whether it's 90fps or higher, the games look and feel great all around so i don't really see what to complain about. Overall, given that my PC is almost 4 years old now, i seriously can't complain. Once the next gen RTX cards come out, i'll get the next Ti card so i can really start using my 4k monitor lol Also.... PUBG is a garbage game lol.... it's never truly been optimized and you really shouldn't include it in these figures. even now, years later, it's still crap... but don't blame that on the hardware, blame it on the shitty developers who can't seem to make their game run correctly
2020-01-27 22:03
Yep ur right it is the devs fault. Funny part is the only guy I know getting decent frames using 1440 is also rocking a 1080ti. Those cards honestly imo are the best out there. I’m surprised ur cpu runs at 4.3 with zero problems tho they had the best apx codes written into them for temp. My 7700k running at 4.6 gets up there in temp but they are also the hottest running cpu out there intel has ever made and they refuse to fix it. I’m glad ur getting good rates bro. Ur smart to keep the 1080ti. That’s the one card I have never owned but the prices were just insane and after just checking what they are selling for used I might just pick one up, tho they are still kinda spendy for 3 or 4 year old card tho they just absolutely rock.
2020-01-28 04:51
Yea man, u can get a second hand 1080Ti for like $400 or less on ebay. it's risky, of course, but i'm sure you could find a reputable seller. for the price, you seriously can't beat that lol My CPU rarely gets over 60C, but i also have a Corsair H115i for it so it stays nice and cool.
2020-01-28 18:33
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Europe Vallon3 
Where have you heard these rumors about 3080ti being 50x more powerful? Sounds like absolute bullshit, you can't just suddenly make that big of a breakthrough, it's like the equivalent of GPU progression from year 2000 to now.
2020-01-23 01:02
look it up, not hard to find the info.
2020-01-23 01:04
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Europe Vallon3 
There's nothing mentioning 50 times the performance. Sites have ranged from 15-30% increase to 50% on one site. Don't delude yourself, nothing that's 50 times more powerful than a 2080ti is coming out in the next 20 years. At least.
2020-01-23 01:15
+1
2020-01-23 02:00
What are you looking at? Yea in games sure, ur not looking at what the cards are truly meant for. Rendering animations and auto cad. Do u even understand what running in 7nm is? Do some homework my god ur dumb
2020-01-25 19:59
its also not just raw power it comes down to the chip set and the fact they are going to 7nm. take a look. its worth a read.
2020-01-23 01:08
pretty sure he's mixing it up... it's like "up to 50%" faster than previous gen cards i've read the preview type articles about it and the new gen ones should be very promising
2020-01-23 02:13
No I’m not mixing it up. For gaming yea it’s like 50% but I don’t think people are taking into account they are going with 7nm which is huge. Almost half the size of the current set up and using less power while deliver way more performance in other applications besides gaming. Using that card or even the 2080ti’s solely for gaming isn’t using anything on the card really. Like now they maybe use 60% of what they can really do because of Optimizations in games. Hopefully the games and software catch up, it’s just as consumers now we are willing to play games that are not finished which is unacceptable and we should stop but we don’t lol. This allows companies to keep cashing in on us without Finishing or Implementing optimizations that are needed to really use what we have. It’s really our faults lol. Shit even 5 years ago none of us would buy a game that runs like shit or isn’t finished but we want to play the latest and greatest now instead of demanding companies finish games 100%. We keep playing alphas and betas like it’s normal, and now it is. They have figured out we really are dumb.
2020-01-27 21:21
eh....i would argue that point. the developers found a way to get good and accurate feedback during those alpha and beta runs. for a long time now almost all big titles, PC and console, have gone through some sort of trial period prior to the main release. I distinctly remember the Halo 1 testing programs where people were given the half finished product and were asked for feedback i think it's great that they involve the community, as long as the players realize that that the version of the game is not fully complete. look how popular PUBG was during it's peak.... and for the player, u don't have to buy those games at that point. u can wait and see what's what. not to mention all the big PC launchers have good return policies
2020-01-27 21:54
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
Ray tracing is pretty though I like it in Deliver Us The Moon But in BFV for example it can be very laggy, just due to the size of the game. For that reason performance can be very dependent on gamemode. Not sure if that's an RTX issue though, since that only covers what you can actually see. But RTX gpus are still an improvement over older gen GTX gpus
2020-01-23 00:21
Not by even close to enough for their price. The last 2 generations have cost far too much and this generation hasnt proven a big enough upgrade im pretty sure the 1080ti is out selling most RTX cards still. Tell me in what world the RTX 2080 ti is worth £1000, its not, not even close. AMD have partially caused this by releasing no good high end GPU's that compete in years.
2020-01-23 00:26
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
Not really, my RTX 2060 and the GTX 1070 both cost the same at launch and the RTX offers better performance
2020-01-23 00:26
Those arent high end, thats upper middle at best, im talking about the highest end so xx80 and xx80 ti.
2020-01-23 00:29
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
If you want to talk about high end RTX you should probably actually state that you are talking about high end RTX
2020-01-23 00:30
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
That's a big edit Again, the GTX TITAN X for example cost the same as the RTX 2080TI at launch but the RTX is way more powerful
2020-01-23 00:29
The Titan was an anomally, it was always overpriced now all high end GPU's are.
2020-01-23 00:29
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
But the RTX 2080ti is the most powerful consumer GPU in the world I discount the RTX TITAN because that's not really for gamers You shouldn't compare the 2080ti and the 1080ti just because they have similar names
2020-01-23 00:31
But the performance boost doesnt even come close to making an account for its cost, it needs to nearly double the 1080 ti, doesnt come close. In a lot of game at high res ive seen the 1080 TI around the mid to high 60s and the 2080 TI around the mid 80s, thats it.
2020-01-23 00:35
#28
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
The GTX 1080ti cost $700 at launch Standard RTX 2080ti cost $1000 That's only a 42% price increase, not a doubled price
2020-01-23 00:36
Yes so the 2080 TI needs to nearly double its performance like i said. It doesnt at all, its a joke of a card, its a £700 card at most the high end is over priced so in reality its like £600 card, the 2080 is a £450 card.
2020-01-23 00:39
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
No, the RTX needs to increase its performance by 42% You know, to match the 42% price increase Quick maths?
2020-01-23 00:39
No, youve confused yourself, let me explain. The RTX 2080 TI is 1.42 times the cost of the GTX 1080 TI at launch. In BFV at 1440p the 1080 TI gets about 130fps the 2080TI needs to get at minimum 180fps, thats 130x1.42=180, it doesnt it gets about 160, so still not enough, that was at its best, at the worst they are within 7 fps of eachother youtube.com/watch?v=Yac2wZJYmPk If the 1080 ti is getting 100 the 2080TI needs to be getting 142 minimum to justify its cost, the 1080 TI is already overpriced so the 2080TI is massively inflated. I will add there are also 2080TI going for about £1200 and you can get a second hand 1080 TI for about £400. The 2080TI is a joke.
2020-01-23 00:55
The 2080 TI costs so much its not really an upgrade, the point is the prices stay the same but the GPU's get more powerful over time if they keep getting more expensive as they get better in 10 years times the high end GPU's will cost about 5k.
2020-01-23 00:55
#54
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
Dude, I haven't confused myself, you just haven't explained yourself properly lmao And why do you edit every comment you make, just write what you want to write before you press post The FPS doesn't increase by 42%, but then the remaining price increase comes from the RTX functionality, not from your standard non-ray traced performance.
2020-01-23 00:57
Oh yeah those games that run like shit look almost no different and how many games support it??? virtually none, they should be paying you for adopting ray tracing its that pointless, the 2080TI is a £600 card, and the 2080 is a £450 card. Its 1.42 times the price of the 1080ti, at mimum and over 3 times at worse and its cant even live up to its lowest price point in terms of performance.
2020-01-23 01:01
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
It looks very different. On the high end RTX cards which we are talking about, RTX doesn't run like shit. Yes, the performance hit is quite big But they don't run like shit. And now you're saying the most powerful consumer graphics card should cost £600? You're obviously very biased and can't look at this objectively so I'd rather just go to sleep at this point. Good night.
2020-01-23 01:04
Yes, because thata lot of money the 1080TI was basically just as powerful as the Titan XP, the Titan was the joke ripoff card and now the TI is and so is the 2080. youtube.com/watch?v=tfgXOBG5e-8
2020-01-23 01:10
The RTX 2080 TI gets 72FPS with RT on, 72FPS from a £1000 GPU, thats awful performance. Also just to go further the 980 TI was almost the same as the Titan X in most games, the 980 TI wasnt £1000, the 2080 and 2080 TI are way over priced, if you cant see it i dont know what else to say.
2020-01-23 01:12
#116
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
You're just rambling at this point lmao
2020-01-23 12:42
No, im telling you they suck at their only selling point and the only excuse for the cost of the high end cards, so its even a selling point, its a joke, 72fps on the highest end card and sometimes less. Then Add the 2080 is barely faster than the 2070 and the 2080ti is barely faster than the 2080 and costs a lot more, then add in the fact the 1080 ti is basically a 2080, the only upgrade is the 2080 TI, its over priced and it cant even do its own gimmick right. So none of the cards cant do RT well enough, only the 2080 ti is really an upgrade and it costs a 1000 for no reason, the RTX line is a joke.
2020-01-23 17:42
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
You do understand that before RTX, real-time ray tracing wasn't even possible, right? For movies, it could take hours just to render a single ray-traced frame? And now 72 ray traced frames can be rendered every second, at either 2k or 4k (idk what benchmark you're using, you just keep saying it) and you think that's bad? Every time you speak, you completely ignore the context of the situation. Hence why I said you're ignorant in my other reply. Also hltv.org/forums/threads/2229337/rtx-gpus.. Please try and find an excuse for those double standards
2020-01-23 17:45
But it doesnt matter, it bad FPS from a GPU that costs £1000 its also not really a new technology, it existed before the 2000 series so its still no reason for the 2080 TI and 2080 to cost what they do especially when they cant do it at a smooth FPS.
2020-01-23 18:37
#138
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
If you're expecting to be able to play 144hz at 4k or some bs, I suggest you read the first half of #130 again. 72fps is certainly playable. If you want more, just lower the resolution and you'll be fine. And real time ray tracing for gaming is new technology. Again, read #130. And again, just ignoring the context of the situation.
2020-01-23 18:49
From 1080p, lower the res from 1080p on a 1000 pound video card, 1080p is the minimum. Its also not a new technology, ray tracing has been around for a while and implementation of it on the RTX cards is a joke, the 2080 and the TI both cost way too much for their performance in any scenario and are not an appreciable upgrade, the 2080 is just 1080 TI again only the the 2080 can do ray tracing a little better but still not well enough to be worth using.
2020-01-24 21:59
#142
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
I just watched a benchmark and I saw it hit 72fps once. And you are saying that that is the FPS the card gets. The lowest reading. And that was in a particularly demanding situation, inside a building with reflective marble and lots of smoke and gunfire. For the rest of the video it was mostly above 100fps, sometimes dropping to 90, which is fine. If the benchmark you watched is getting 72fps on average, then it's a shit benchmark. Either that or you're purposefully misrepresenting information. I saw a 1440p benchmark getting 72fps on average. So yeah, lower the resolution if you're not happy with that. Idk why you waited a day to come back with that, just stop replying xd
2020-01-24 22:10
#143
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
Jesus, I refresh the page and you've edited your comment so much that it's thrice as long. Like, are you trying to make it seem like I haven't answered your points or something? I never said ray tracing was a new technology. I said REAL-TIME ray tracing was a new technology. #130. And I'd say that 100fps on the highest quality ray tracing is certainly good enough. And again, remember to put that into context. People that want to play with RTX aren't going to be people going for maximum FPS, anyway. They're looking for the absolute best visual performance, not the greatest competitive edge (if that were the case, people would probably be lowering the graphics considerably). RTX is the only thing that offers that right now, and as long as the FPS isn't actually shit to the point where you can notice it, which it isn't, then it fulfills its purpose.
2020-01-24 22:33
The point is the best of each generation of gpus stayed the same price for over a decade and some of the jumps on performance were double to a previous gen. Regardless of new tech. Same with cpus,i could build the latest and greatest PC between 2200-2500aud for many years, today's latest and greatest is 4000-4500 aud. I can afford it easily but I cannot justify that price for a small performance boost.
2020-01-23 00:46
#79
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
But have any of the new gens brought technological advances comparable to RTX?
2020-01-23 01:25
In their time yes, absolutely.
2020-01-23 01:32
#114
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United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
Like?
2020-01-23 12:40
You wanna talk about high end overpriced GPUs and you haven't brought up how teslas cost 9k?
2020-01-23 00:34
Those arent really normal consumer cards but yes those are still just as retarded but the fact is ive only seen 2 normal people use those out of thousands.
2020-01-23 00:36
Rtx Titan and teslas only make sense when you're doing deep learning or server processes. Even the 2080 ti doesn't give much value anymore in gaming. One card I will always have massive respect for though is the Titan V. It's still faster than the rtx Titan in many applications and it's almost 3 years old
2020-01-23 00:40
#22
flusha | 
Finland MEZi 
do u think people buy rtx for raytracing? if u dont want to buy second hand 1080 ti then 2070 super is good price gpu for u
2020-01-23 00:35
I have 2 1080 TI's, i basically have no good way to upgrade and i would like higher FPS than i get but the 2080 TI isnt enough of an upgrade in most cases.
2020-01-23 00:36
bro wtf do you need higher fps for you already have a high end pc, just wait for the new gpus to come out, dont be that addicted
2020-01-23 00:38
Because i want to upgrade and GPU technology is simply failing to progress as it should.
2020-01-23 00:48
then dont upgrade until theres superior graphical technology
2020-01-23 00:56
its been nearly 4 years.
2020-01-23 01:03
#162
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World Beard43 
It hasn't even been 3 years since the very first 1080ti shipped.
2020-01-26 00:18
amd propaganda
2020-01-23 00:37
#36
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Senegal Rinko 
the best price/performance gpu out there is the 5700XT (don't buy Asus though)
2020-01-23 00:40
they are very very good cards for the money your not lying
2020-01-23 01:02
Nothing wrong with asus?
2020-01-23 02:02
#96
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Senegal Rinko 
2020-01-23 02:11
I disagree with you on this one my mate. 1) The most important piece for 240hz is the CPU since you'll be playing at 1080P , the CPU tax is much higher %. 2) Ray Tracing is the future, tho 20 Series implementation is very primitive and basic. 3) MultiGPU has multiple issues, drivers, added latency and powersupply requirements.
2020-01-23 00:41
+1 I don't think people understand how much work is required to make multiGPU gaming a viable option for the developers of games and engineers of GPU's.
2020-01-23 00:46
especially OP lol
2020-01-23 02:25
No, your CPU has very little impact in most game apart from games like CSGO, i went for an I7 4790K to an 8700k and i have a rig with R7 3700x for work and it very little difference in most games. Ray tracing may be a future that is possible its shit as of now and this generation cant do it and get an FPS anyone would want. "3) MultiGPU has multiple issues, drivers, added latency and powersupply requirements.", this is due to lazy and bad development, multi GPU is the only way to get a truly next generation frame rate and run every game without compromise, single GPU has never been able to do that.
2020-01-23 00:51
If you have a good GPU like a 2070 Super or a 5700XT , you wont see a big difference between switching any of those 2 for a 2080Super if you have an i7 7700K , you will see a bigger leap in performance if you switch the 7700K for a 3700X or a 9900K in 1080P 240HZ.
2020-01-23 01:26
Not in games you wont, youll see hardly anything, especially in games like BFV, RDR2, Witcher 3, Doom and Doom eternal.
2020-01-23 01:34
#46
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
2019: GTX 970 - about 250fps average 2020: RTX 2060 Super - about 300fps average I think they’re quite good tbf
2020-01-23 00:48
The 970 is from 2014, thats 5 years older than the 2060 and we arent just talking about CSGO this is all games.
2020-01-23 00:52
#70
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
Fair enough mate, just saying that it was a noticeable improvement in other games as well, thought it was a worthy upgrade
2020-01-23 01:15
Thats from the 900 series, not from the 1000 series.
2020-01-23 01:22
#83
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
I’m aware that the 970 is from the 900 series? What’s your point?
2020-01-23 01:30
#129
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World ZMDR 
his point is that 2000 series isn't a big upgrade over the 1000 series
2020-01-23 17:45
#139
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
oh yeah well fair enough probably mate
2020-01-23 19:14
Misleading post title. Should be renamed ray tracing and not RTX. You can still just not use ray tracing and still enjoy performance benefit. Maybe you're still disappointed with the performance over the last few years, it does sucks the cards are more expensive.
2020-01-23 01:05
Yes i am, the performance is a joke the 2080 TI isnt worth anything like 1000, its worth 650 at most.
2020-01-23 01:07
#72
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Europe EUR0PE 
Who cars about raytracing i've bought the 2080 ti cuz i can
2020-01-23 01:16
I can but its not even close to worth it.
2020-01-23 01:20
RTX cards are good. Just ask my failing xfx rx 580 that gets black screens every second if I don't lower everything in msi afterburner. seriously, fuck amd
2020-01-23 01:16
get a 1080 TI for like £400 or something.
2020-01-23 01:25
Or a quad sli of gt210
2020-01-23 01:32
Also why the fuck did you get an AMD GPU they have been shit since about 2014.
2020-01-23 01:33
i had no idea just how shit they were lol. i have enough money for a 2070 super but i'm trying to see how long i can go w the rx 580. im slowly losing my mind tho
2020-01-24 00:03
#163
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World Beard43 
Black screen is a common driver issue with AMD, you should try running display driver uninstall (DDU) and a fresh install of drivers. Make sure you run it in safe mode. You may need an extra pass if this isn't the only graphics card to be used in your system.
2020-01-26 00:35
already did that mens, but thank you for the suggestion nonetheless! The only way it runs without getting black screen is if i lower everything in msi afterburner (core voltage, power limit, core clock, etc.)
2020-01-26 14:52
#166
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World Beard43 
No worries, I'd be taking it back under warranty because most people are fine with the 580's. Unlucko though
2020-01-26 15:31
next rtx cards will be better first gen was just gimmick and not that noticeable
2020-01-23 02:04
#101
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Norway Nikki_96 
i have rtx2070s i mean its good gpu but defo not ray tracing ready
2020-01-23 02:15
#112
North America TL0 
yea no shit
2020-01-23 03:31
ray tracing performance sucks now because its done afterwards to games not from beginning now its just like slapping a sticker on top of the product xD 3000 series promises 50% better ray tracing? and when its intented to be in games in first place i think it will be even better. gpu prices though have gone to shit.
2020-01-23 17:11
#126
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France daruk 
This may be why nobody buy them...
2020-01-23 17:39
#127
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World ZMDR 
Ray tracing isn't a gimmick but the current implementation of it in RTX cards is definitely a gimmick.
2020-01-23 17:40
Heres the real issue though, if you add new tech and its a bit iffy fine, but dont then use it as an excuse to rack up the price by a stupid amount, £1000 for a card that does 72fps.
2020-01-23 17:46
#133
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World ZMDR 
Thats what happens when theres no competition. AMD need to make Nvidia sweat like they used to before 2014.
2020-01-23 17:48
Dude AMD haven't made nvidia sweat since the 9900xt. Nvidia had a stable price in all their tiers of cards for over a decade now out of no where they have just raised it. But they are smart they will take a hit short term but profit massively long term, another generation or two people will forget and accept the new pricing. Just look at iPhone.
2020-01-25 06:31
#137
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United Kingdom Breezeeh 
Barely any games even have any multi gpu support
2020-01-23 18:44
Price to performance of RTX 2060 is pretty good so I got it
2020-01-25 12:21
Isn't 4700 better value for the money?
2020-01-27 21:13
#157
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Europe letqpena 
2D and EGA should suffice, anything above that is a gimmick.
2020-01-25 23:58
For most value in the mid-range right now look at the new AMD 5600 card.
2020-01-26 00:02
#164
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World Beard43 
Definitely a gimmick in these cards. It's ridiculous that people are paying for it. If they had released a GTX series alongside RTX with the same spec but no raytracing and cheaper I'm sure they would sell well. The issue for them would be that not many people would bother with the RTX cards.
2020-01-26 00:43
The prices are here to stay it's just a restructure money grab, once the new generation gets released people will accept the new prices.
2020-01-28 05:10
Or they drop them slightly and everyone thinks the pricing is great, the reality is the x70 is a £340 card the x80 is a £450 card and the x80TI is at most a £550 card. Basically the enthusiast market is fucked now, completely fucked, none of the cards make sense in terms of performance. If you are on a 1080 for instance none of the 2000 series makes sense just get a second hand 1080ti.
2020-01-28 05:36
#182
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World Beard43 
The funny part is, a second hand 1080ti goes for around the same amount of money as it did brand new 3 years ago. That amounts to a huge value increase since the owner would have had 3 years of use out of it and essentially gets their money back at the end. Even with that said you're right, it is still better value than a 20 series. I really don't think 'eveyone will just get used to it' like people are saying though, I do agree with the reasoning but the fact is that many people now quite literally can't afford enthusiast GPU's as they could 3+ years ago.
2020-01-28 15:29
I'm actually about to upgrade my PC. I want a medium-range card since it dont need a high end. I'm in between buying one of these to match with my ryzen 5 3600 & B450-F: 2060 1660TI RX 4700 Anyone knows which one is the best? :D Everything i've read so fair is pointing out the 4700 giving most value for the money
2020-01-27 21:13
oops i mean 5700*
2020-01-27 21:19
#184
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Poland morosek 
1660ti is a awful deal. rx5700 is bae
2020-01-28 15:37
Is rx5700 much better than both 1660 and 2060?
2020-01-28 15:52
#186
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Poland morosek 
5700 is waaaay better than 1660ti and better than 2060 (by few %). You should look at 2060 since its price got reduced I would go with rx5700
2020-01-28 16:00
2060 actually seems cheaper in Sweden.. for some reason i thought the price would be way more than the 5700 lol. This is what i was planning to buy: gyazo.com/be86fcb88fb708f16eb9c42e1c512b.. would changing the 5700 for the 2060 be more of value if the price difference is like 80 euro between them?
2020-01-28 16:22
#188
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Poland morosek 
Pretty sure 2060 will be more reasonable in your case... really 80e between 2060 and 5700? Holy. Here it's like 120e more and you have a sapphire pulse 5700 XT. And xt is <3
2020-01-28 16:47
i bought an 2080 super to upgrade from my old ass 1060, not for ray tracing.
2020-01-28 05:14
Raytracing happened because Turing architecture was designed for workstations and then scaled back to gaming. It's best to be threated as a small bonus to what else cards offers. More expensive though, yes.
2020-01-28 15:34
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