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Chile OFFICIAL_HLTV_CENTRIST 
How many of them cheat? all of them? none of them? /dicuss
2020-01-24 19:20
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that one guy from astralis
2020-01-24 19:21
cajunb?????
2020-01-24 19:22
#87
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United States caliprep 
No he actually needs cheats
2020-01-24 22:03
#101
NEO | 
Canada chedca 
Lol
2020-01-25 01:41
#135
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Poland jakub3tp 
lmao
2020-01-25 20:22
LMAO
2020-01-25 01:41
msl?
2020-01-24 19:29
#32
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Denmark Spagooter 
karrigan?
2020-01-24 19:47
+1
2020-01-24 19:49
fetish?
2020-01-24 19:57
OH PROBABLY SHAKERBYE
2020-01-24 20:14
#54
flusha | 
Europe An0n0n 
Zonic?
2020-01-24 20:26
#76
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Greece Gianopoulos 
Juliano??
2020-01-24 21:39
that one guy? XD "dont even ask for LoL cheats you cant afford it"
2020-01-24 21:43
#85
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Finland Smoonah 
SHAKERBYE
2020-01-24 22:03
refrezh?
2020-01-25 01:08
#119
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France LeDiplomate 
HUNDEN for sure.
2020-01-25 17:34
0
2020-01-24 19:21
#128
NEO | 
Canada chedca 
XD
2020-01-25 18:07
how can you cheat on vac secured servers ?
2020-01-24 19:22
magic bro
2020-01-24 19:22
#9
autist | 
Finland yes__ 
if you cant cheat on vac secured servers how is your girlfriend playing MM?
2020-01-24 19:24
im gay my boyfriend doesn't even play csgo nt
2020-01-24 19:30
#16
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United States caliprep 
Ohhh gottem
2020-01-24 19:28
nt aizyesque
2020-01-24 19:29
#120
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France LeDiplomate 
Underrated lmao
2020-01-25 17:35
all of them apart from tarik coz he sucks
2020-01-24 19:22
#17
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Finland LARSONi 
Turok has anti-aim
2020-01-24 19:28
correct, and if anyone wants the software they should hit up RUSH. He is the 1 who had it 1st, and helped Tarik get setup with anti-aim. The only difference is that RUSH is friends with the coder so he gets the new version 1st and has even better anti-aim.
2020-01-24 19:34
friends LMAO bro there is no friendship, there's just good business relationships
2020-01-24 21:44
not true. anti-aim was only OK software that made pros mediocre. But out of undying friendship, the coder made a custom code for the boys of C9 after their major victory. RUSH and tarik clearly have the best anti-aim in the world
2020-01-25 01:19
#86
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Finland Smoonah 
yo is RUSH jew?
2020-01-24 22:03
I am not aware of RUSH's religious or spiritual beliefs, so I do not know if he is jewish, hindii, muslim, christian, islamic, hundu, or what.
2020-01-25 01:20
#100
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Finland Smoonah 
ok ty friend
2020-01-25 01:41
#108
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Estonia Hoxpox 
Ofc he is, look at him
2020-01-25 10:52
#134
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Finland Smoonah 
I knew it..... ty friend for confirmation
2020-01-25 20:21
tenz
2020-01-24 19:22
I think heard something about Naf and Elige, but really idk
2020-01-24 19:25
I have never seen anything that made me suspicious of them, but I have heard about every pro accused at least once
2020-01-24 19:33
there was AMA with guy who makes elite cheats, and he said if I remember correctly that many pros is cheating, and he made hacks for NAF and Elige
2020-01-24 19:37
this is not what he said lmao
2020-01-24 20:15
so what he said?
2020-01-24 20:15
"NAF is an interesting character, my cheats were used against him in more than one Dreamhack tournament and it made me start watching him. This clip is either a really spectacular coincidence example of what my cheat looks like or his developer built a good aimbot. Which is funny to me." "the c0ncept has definitely made videos of players that last time I checked are in fact using cheats. The problem with those videos is there is always an excuse. Checking for things like ducking when shooting is a pointless endeavour, however: the animation glitch on Elige is certainly something I have noticed before and fixed in my cheat. You can make 1000's of videos but it wont change a thing."
2020-01-24 20:17
ok men)))
2020-01-24 20:21
about shroud though: "I certainly can support the idea that back in his hay-day for CSGO he was using a small spread manipulation (before valve fixed it - to a degree) and potentially now he is still using something. There was a semi mentally ill cheat developer that would make a hundred accounts a day on ESEA and just post all the proof of him cheating. Didn’t realize he was going to be this big probably would have saved it. The whole point of good cheats is that you can’t tell by looking, even in thousands of hours of streaming maybe you get only 5 or 6 seriously questionable clips."
2020-01-24 20:23
I didnt read it, I just watched some guy talking about it and he said that liquid players are suspicius, so its not my foult
2020-01-24 20:28
ok good boy continue to spread fake news :)
2020-01-24 20:35
some guy "claiming to make hacks" is not exactly a credible source anyway, there is no proof the guy talking even was legit
2020-01-25 01:22
#62
f0rest | 
Russia Nzr0 
watched some of c0ncept videos and still kinda hard to believe I guess. I mean the lock thing sometimes isn't even a lock. it is just a player that has too many hours of his life put into cs go. Still some clips like Elige's are kinda "weird" locks. S1mple was kinda meh.. "The bot doesn't shot when he is behind the wall." WTF? A fucking human doesn't also shot when the enemy is behind the wall. Like come one, they play a thousand of games, and saying that he did a curve that developers use when coding cheats in ONE FUCKING MOMENT of ONE MATCh is kinda not really enough..
2020-01-24 20:41
I agree with you. concept focuses so much on aim movement that he doesn't consider other stuff. but his findings regarding cheats mechanics are somewhat interesting nev3rtheless. but he didn't bust nobody. and tbh that's what this is about: evidence is quite hard to gather. the paranoia is good because it forces developers/to's to do something at long term
2020-01-24 20:43
#66
f0rest | 
Russia Nzr0 
Watching the old video about s1mple. I got also the wooble effect, but damn that dude does that after every shot on that awp clip. Still he forgets about stuff like getting suprised and stuff like nervous system.. CS:GO is not like Q3 or even 1.6 when it comes to sound, so you still can get suprised often even tho you can be a good player. I would understand picking like a game and explaining the background. That it is an online match and it is important one, or maybe offline and shit. I mean I'm pretty sure that they "cheaters" don't use it for all of the matches. And pretty sure it would be dumb to use vs a lower tier team. My main point is that even tho I'm trying as hard as I can to be sceptic, still I fall for the feeling that it is a clip out of 1000 clips of a player. When it is about flusha's cache wall, it is a good example and doesn't really matter if it is only 1 clip out of 100. But when it comes to MICRO moments of aim that feel like are unhuman and you show only 1 clip out of 1000 without even saying what is the background of this match and why it could be important to use cheats here. It won't "bust" anyone.
2020-01-24 20:56
yeah also, cheats are not like in the past development for artificial intelligence is going quite fast I do not doubt at all that there are small aim assistances for 10, 15 20% accuracy or something like that out there, and that they are undetectable by human eye, and yes they could have them on all the time, otherwise it would seem suspicious. also they need those sweet hltv stats
2020-01-24 21:03
#68
f0rest | 
Russia Nzr0 
Still I'm pretty sure that some of the movements that pros do this days are possible and are far from being perfect. I love to watch quake just because one of the keys to success there, is aim. Yes, there are players like AGENT/rapha that are smart and they win games because of that, but when killsen (more like QC) or evil (back in the day) go sayan - it is so damn enjoyable. Those perfect shafts or rockets.. Yes, there could be cheats for quake but the main point why cheats for cs:go exist is the amout of money in cs:go. And why I think cheats for quake do not exist (for pro play) because there is no money in the game. DEVELOPERS WORK FOR MONEY, when there is none - there is no product (clean cheats).
2020-01-24 21:16
#83
f0rest | 
Russia Nzr0 
Thanks for the link, watch the full video. Well, you kinda ruined the fun of watching games live. Still a f0rest,edward and gtr fan
2020-01-24 21:57
I don't follow quake nowadays, but q3a was insane, my eyes would be all red after playing lol there have been cheats for cs almost since it's release dude sad truth :/
2020-01-25 01:11
#104
NEO | 
Canada chedca 
Quake pro league is really good check it out.. They have the same cheats as CA but the skill curve is high enough that Rapha still crushes without them it's great to watch.
2020-01-25 05:06
#107
f0rest | 
Russia Nzr0 
The main point that I enjoy, that this dudes are +30 years old and still banging. Never heared about washed up players there.
2020-01-25 10:19
#113
NEO | 
Canada chedca 
Yes. To see rapha as #1 in leaderboard with 30:1 win loss ratio makes hair on neck stand up.
2020-01-25 12:47
#114
f0rest | 
Russia Nzr0 
Pretty sure if it wasnt for the ban, AGENT would kick his ass right now :) Also you sure about 30 1? He lost in the last quakecon and also I think had some loses in the league
2020-01-25 16:25
#116
NEO | 
Canada chedca 
not QPL but his regular duel W/L was insane. Still is..
2020-01-25 17:28
EliGE is weird, that guy uses like 3000 edpi, how can he control the aim?
2020-01-24 21:22
NAF idk
2020-01-24 21:22
Some. Considering their exorbitant salaries they can afford undetectable cheats.
2020-01-24 19:26
None.
2020-01-24 19:26
They'd be sued into oblivion if they were caught, money taken away.
2020-01-24 19:31
Sue? There are no laws for cheating in e-sports. There are no laws for cheating even in physical sports. It's all down to terms of participation which I'm not so sure are legally binding documents. At most Valve may notify them that they've been caught cheating or some of their behavior has been dubious and if they don't stop, they can be VAC banned. I guess it may have happened to many pros already but since Valve doesn't want to forever stain the game everyone remains mum.
2020-01-24 19:40
#53
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Netherlands WitnessMe 
In an AMA with a cheatdeveloper he even claimed that the orgs where aware of players cheating within their own teams, saying that it's the same as top sporters and doing steroids.
2020-01-24 20:25
#69
f0rest | 
Russia Nzr0 
when you are a cheatdeveloper you can say as many bullshit "facts" as you want and no one can say it is fake because same as he doesn't provide any proofs, that goes also to the dude that says it is fake - he also can't provide any proof. It is something like religion. You can't prove it that it is fake, and you can't also prove that it is not. The maximum that you can say that it has a small probability of so.
2020-01-24 21:18
#88
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Netherlands WitnessMe 
I guess you're right! Maybe he's just spreading bullshit
2020-01-24 22:21
#106
NEO | 
Canada chedca 
Ya orgs know - there is a video of apex running keyboard macros post game with his coach watching
2020-01-25 05:09
#115
f0rest | 
Russia Nzr0 
can you link, please? :)
2020-01-25 16:25
#117
NEO | 
Canada chedca 
reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/56.. Watch apex input on keyboard, it's not "quit" in console .. it's a custom key combination that means he's running a script from keyboard memory :/
2020-01-25 17:31
bind (whatever key) "quit
2020-01-25 17:40
#126
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Canada chedca 
What? He pressed tab+enter .. ?
2020-01-25 17:47
wow nice point bro, didnt see that, really good catchup, but it is 2020 and cheats are developed, i cant believe they still do that now.
2020-01-25 17:41
#125
NEO | 
Canada chedca 
But they are still using personal equipment at events so it's probably still how hacks are getting in
2020-01-25 17:47
#105
NEO | 
Canada chedca 
Wow.. some solid rationale from rationale lol
2020-01-25 05:07
all of them
2020-01-24 19:25
1 on each major team probably
2020-01-24 19:27
#20
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United States gingaa_ 
I always assume nobody is, but you never know (maybe 1 in the top 100 players) Rank G/Advanced players are more likely to be cheating
2020-01-24 19:31
+1. players don't cheat once they have top salaries, marketing deals, streaming $ coming in, etc. They cheat in order to get themselves noticed and get to that level. The people with less to lose are the 1s cheating out of desperation, not the 1s with everything to lose.
2020-01-24 19:33
#27
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United States gingaa_ 
I'm pretty sure like one EU advanced team gets banned every season for cheating
2020-01-24 19:35
exactly, low level desperate kids hoping to get 5 minutes of fame
2020-01-25 01:22
#36
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Sri Lanka t0id1 
and why would they stop cheating if they already have undetectable cheat? nice logic lmao
2020-01-24 19:54
#37
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United States gingaa_ 
Huh? I never said anyone stopped... I said I doubt most pros cheat, the rank G/Adv players are usually caught...
2020-01-24 19:55
#41
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Sri Lanka t0id1 
"Rank G/Advanced players are more likely to be cheating" so whats your logic? you dont know how many of them are not caught. If someone pays thousand dollars for undectable cheat he will use it to earn money, no to play pugs lmao
2020-01-24 20:02
#43
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United States gingaa_ 
I'm just going to stop replying because you don't understand
2020-01-24 20:12
#46
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Sri Lanka t0id1 
because you dont have an argument*
2020-01-24 20:15
#50
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United States gingaa_ 
Nah because you don't understand what I'm saying, you're probably bad and don't know much either
2020-01-24 20:18
I don't think top players are cheating anymore it is too risky and there is more to lose than there is to gain. I think the cheating is with low-level games, with players trying to make a name for themselves or players/organizations betting on games and players using cheats to ensure victory and winning the bet. At a t1 LAN it would take so many people being bribed, or not noticing the cheats, for them to work. But at some t3-4 NA, EU, or Chinese online tournament it is easy as heck for players to use cheats and I wouldn't even be surprised sometimes if there are shady events where it is overlooked by people in charge as long as they get told who will cheat so they can bet. TLDR: there may have been cheating in T1 CSGO in the past, but I don't think it is there now. I do think that lower levels have pro cheaters like Subroza the LAN dodger
2020-01-24 19:32
Always baffles me that subroza is still around
2020-01-24 20:48
+1 Subroza is sus as fuck he has more clips then almost anyone also this legion guy is 100% cheating
2020-01-25 01:01
#25
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Finland ToxicDUD 
if top players were to be cheating, they would first of all know that their opponents were cheating too after which they would try to expose each other
2020-01-24 19:33
> they would first of all know that their opponents were cheating too One doesn't follow the other, sorry. Your argument is not logically sound.
2020-01-24 19:42
"it takes 1 to know 1 kind of a thing", or "birds of a feather flock together" he can recognize 1 of his own type it what he means if a cheater sees another cheater
2020-01-25 01:18
-1 Not really much of a proof
2020-01-25 17:43
Flusha did 100%, byali did 100% Honestly, I wouldnt be surprised if gla1ve did it as well
2020-01-24 19:50
biali yes flusha goat not cheater
2020-01-24 20:15
#61
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Other khorkalba 
100% when neither player has a banned account. Nice potato logic.
2020-01-24 20:39
flusha never cheated
2020-01-25 20:00
tabseN Since this happened (Aimbot bug), I was confirmed that this guy is not legit. youtube.com/watch?v=yrs-l3_mPK0 Then this happened. (Aimbot bug) youtube.com/watch?v=b0d_jKX4nDs
2020-01-24 19:52
#39
Lox | 
Russia Tsarevich 
The whole astralis team with those nvidia settings
2020-01-24 19:58
untalanted kids are talking about pros :D
2020-01-24 19:59
coming from a turk omegalul
2020-01-25 00:58
Do u know any turkish pro cheater?
2020-01-25 01:06
who is there beyond ex-space soldiers and woxic?
2020-01-25 01:21
#42
tabseN | 
Europe oofmens 
well someone for sure but if u are smart u shut the fuck up until one gets banned or obvious like forsaken
2020-01-24 20:04
Only a Sith deals in absolutes
2020-01-24 20:28
#57
Billy | 
United States Russso 
cajunb cheats
2020-01-24 20:29
#59
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Other khorkalba 
Depends on what you mean by cheating. I think using software to cheat has been almost a non-existent issue at the highest level of pro CS since 2015. It's far more likely that the following is taking place: - Match fixing (which is far worse than using hacks imo) - Exploiting the lack of sound-proof booths at events - Teams receiving info from person in the crowd
2020-01-24 20:37
#60
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North America yobitchcheese 
Only North do, but they are so bad it doesn't help
2020-01-24 20:38
2020-01-24 20:44
Some have in the past, but probably none have successfully done it on LAN.
2020-01-24 21:23
#73
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Poland LiquidWater 
none of them you boomer fuckers
2020-01-24 21:23
#103
NEO | 
Canada chedca 
Lol
2020-01-25 01:42
#75
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Denmark Gomer_Pyle 
Well, there is more money involved than cycling and it is easier to get away with cheating than in cycling. So i geuss presuming that non of them cheat reqires more than just a blind eye.
2020-01-24 21:34
I'd assume that it is a decent amount. Cheating takes place in every single competition that involves cash and always has. There are definitely some pros that have cheated at the top level. There was a defcon where they explained just how easy it is to inject cheats through a mouse. People are just retarded. Csgo is a pure sport and nobody would ever cheat right?
2020-01-24 21:41
just a reminder from last Easy Anti Cheat conf where they stated cheat devs are working completely legal and making anywhere between half a million and 2 million a year in revenue,
2020-01-24 21:46
I know someone that used radar hacks in pro league. Radar cheats give you such a huge advantage but don't raise suspicion aim wise. I'd make a bet a bunch of teams are using radar cheats to secure trips to events.
2020-01-24 21:49
Streamers, pros, youtubers, many of them are being pimped out of their revenue by cheat devs and many of them wouldnt be noticed if it wasnt for them.
2020-01-24 21:51
#84
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Finland Smoonah 
easy to cheat in shit game really
2020-01-24 22:02
#109
Monkey | 
Poland $o$ 
NAF und Elige
2020-01-25 10:53
#110
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Poland Adisky 
Ofc flusha Fucking cheater
2020-01-25 10:58
#111
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Europe Niko0 
There can be like 50 cheaters in top100, or 1. Nobody has proof, nobody should care. Nothing to do about it
2020-01-25 12:36
Agreed until "Nobody should care. Nothing to do about it"
2020-01-25 17:46
#129
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Europe Niko0 
Well, kind sir, can you illuminate me on the matter? How can we get a solid proof about each pro, whether they cheat or not? Because i'm pretty sure there is no way for average HLTV users to do so. Valve and the organizers are the only ones with that kind of power.
2020-01-25 18:11
That is exactly what i meant. Valve and organizers should care and do something about it.
2020-01-25 19:06
#131
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Europe Niko0 
Yes. Not us. So crying about is uselesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
2020-01-25 19:57
Never said HLTV users should care
2020-01-25 20:05
#112
ritch | 
United Kingdom Meffus 
Enough of them. Not as bad as since 2015 but it’s getting bad again. Can confirm.
2020-01-25 12:47
Flusha and subroza maybe used to cheat
2020-01-25 17:33
all of them are cheaters 100%, volvo cant ban them cuz profit
2020-01-25 17:49
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