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Pros never cheat mantra
Ireland rationale 
It's plausible that some of the pro t2/t3 players cheat considering their exorbitant salaries which can afford them undetectable cheats. Someone countered me saying: "They'd be sued into oblivion if they were caught, money taken away." Sue? There are no laws for cheating in e-sports. There are no laws for cheating even in physical sports. It's all down to terms of participation which I'm not so sure are legally binding documents. At most Valve may notify them that they've been caught cheating or some of their behavior has been dubious and if they don't stop, they can be VAC banned. I guess it may have happened to many pros already but since Valve doesn't want to forever stain the game everyone remains mum. TLDR: pros can cheat theoretically but we'll never know unless someone comes out and spills the beans.
2020-01-24 19:49
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#1
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United States caliprep 
Too much at stake for both organization and sponsors for cheating not to happen. There will always be cheaters at the highest level, this fact can never be disputed
2020-01-24 19:56
#18
denis | 
Germany m1soooo 
+1 finally people get this, been saying this for 3 years and people just dont get it. You obviously need to play high aswell to spot them as cheaters but if you do its very easy. Nobody gets banned because of the money involved simple as that
2020-01-25 18:49
wow 3 years you must be really experienced and super smart
2020-01-25 19:43
#22
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Sweden Trkmag 
+1
2020-01-25 19:31
#2
valens | 
United States Thylacyn 
2020-01-24 23:56
Those are very inconclusive. Sometimes I've hit such unbelievable shots I was called a cheater.
2020-01-25 23:49
i want someone to come out and spills the beans bruhh i will prepare my popcorn bucket bruh i want artificial intelligence anticheat bruh all the cheaters gone in a secon bruh
2020-01-24 23:59
2 much bruh Bruh
2020-01-25 08:48
#20
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CIS kryto203 
Bruh comment
2020-01-25 18:59
I don’t think pros cheat on LAN. However, I believe some lower tier pros possibly cheat online.
2020-01-25 00:02
#12
JW | 
Finland Ilucs 
It is well known that online qualifiers are cheat fests.
2020-01-25 08:26
you can cheat on lan as well. we already had few examples...
2020-01-25 08:27
Ofc pros can, it’s just unlikely anymore, at least that’s what I think
2020-01-25 18:39
There is always a chance a to will allow some teams to cheat to make the market better. NA always needs a succesful team or no money in the game.
2020-02-07 15:32
#23
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Sweden Trkmag 
+1
2020-01-25 19:31
Why would you cheat? If you are that good you would probably perform worse if u are actively trying to hide the fact that u are cheating
2020-01-25 00:02
#7
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Reunion meramoer1 
They might purposely play worse to “hide” it
2020-01-25 00:04
They why cheat if u not gonna take advantage of cheats
2020-01-25 00:17
#11
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Reunion meramoer1 
I dont think any relevant players do
2020-01-25 08:18
#19
denis | 
Germany m1soooo 
never heard such bullshit before
2020-01-25 18:57
#21
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Czech Republic TECHNICKER 
ikr
2020-01-25 19:30
#24
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Sweden Trkmag 
+1
2020-01-25 19:31
If everyone is equally good you may want to use something which gives you an edge.
2020-01-25 23:47
#6
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Reunion meramoer1 
They probably have clauses in their contracts that can lead to fines
2020-01-25 00:03
Let's be honest: fines mean nothing.
2020-01-25 23:48
Don't really understand why Valve can't just put their own client-side anticheat on their own PCs for Majors. Or TOs pay for a client-sided anticheat which isn't fucking Faceit AC or ESEA AC (both of which we know can easily be bypassable, because it's easy to test against it..) But no, lets just stick with VAC and faceit AC and let these morons in vacsuck circlejerk that every pro is a cheater..
2020-01-25 00:07
How does a client-side anticheat work? Can it not be bypassed at all?
2020-01-25 19:44
Client side anticheat is just an anticheat that isn't focused on the server, e.g. detects mouse movement, what, if any, other programs are possibly influencing gameplay with mouse input etc. Faceit anticheat is a client side anticheat, but it can definitely be bypassed by someone who has experience with it. If there was an anticheat which was not in public domain / available for cheat coders to test their cheats against it, it would be very difficult to reliably bypass, and thus cheaters, if any would definitely be put off attempting to cheat on a LAN at all.
2020-01-25 19:49
Obviously easy to talk but pretty much it is next to impossible as it is always easier to break something then make it unbreakable in advance. And the problem mainly is that programs that launch first have priority and control over programs that launch afterwards thus the anticheat should launch even before the OS itself and I am not sure it would be crackable/uninjectable/unbypassavle even then.
2020-01-25 19:54
And then you can run Windows in a VM and no anti-cheat, either client-side or server-side will ever detect any cheats. This won't work for LAN tournaments though but will work for any online ones.
2020-01-25 23:47
Exactly what I am talking about. A really efficient anti-cheat is next to impossible to produce and would probably cost a pretty penny. Just in theory already it should launch before the OS itself so it would have command of everything that launches after and I'm guessing a major GDPR issue right there just for all the info it has access to and has to process through.
2020-02-03 11:00
So, do pros cheat? ;-)
2020-02-03 23:04
Well, I would say that we atleast need to believe they don't for there to be any sense or value in the competition but the reality is that it is not too hard to cheat and get away with it especially in online leagues/qualifiers and it has already been done in LAN for sure as a few have been caught, one could imagine that someone has also succeeded. Obviously, cheating in LAN isn't nearly as easily done as in online games but it can be done especially if the hack isn't giving much visual ques or they are well hidden (some kind of maphack, some aimhacks especially if not used blatantly or other aim assistance which you can use to find out information about enemy positions. There used to be even a time when you could use net_graph to show the incoming/outgoing data amounts and when you saw a rise in that you knew someone was close.. There are way too many loopholes to plug.
2020-02-07 15:29
It's a whole lot more difficult but not impossible.
2020-01-25 23:42
I would say that a clientside anticheat is not much more secure then a serverside anticheat - considering the way they're produced nowadays as all you need to basically do is launch the cheat injector before the anticheat itself for it to be basically powerless against the attack.. Obviously they'll have built in mechanics to easily identify the bulk of the by-passers at some point at least but the harm has been already done by then anyhow. I am not sure if I'd be willing to take the minimal added security over the loss in processing power.
2020-02-07 15:36
#9
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Turkey CamelotzZz 
They are most definitely cheating and i dont even wanna play cs anymore. If you can cheat when you are being watched by thousands of people, what will stop you from cheating at normal matches like mm or faceit ? so why would you even try ?
2020-01-25 00:10
sounds rationale
2020-01-25 08:26
there were, are and always will be cheaters in every kind of competition. more money involved, more cheaters
2020-01-25 08:28
#25
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Sweden Trkmag 
Yes there are cheaters in top level CS
2020-01-25 19:32
#26
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Canada mandydingo 
This explains why MIBR is shit RN. During their back to back major reign they has hella fishy clips. Fallen especially would use the awp where there was a cross hair to hid the fact he'd have some sketchy aimlocks. Also explains Flusha where he went from a god to trash to back to a god. This also explains Rush who had hella sketchy foot aim-locks and was considered amazing player and is now washed up trash. The examples could keep going on. I believe that certain LANS are easier to cheat on than others which allows for teams to pull unexpected deep runs into tournaments and then fall off the face of the earth afterwards. I know personally know professional Olympians who cheat right now and they make no money, it doesn't make sense for anyone to not cheat if they can make way more money in Esports.
2020-01-25 19:38
#27
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
"I know professional olympians" stopped reading and considering ur opinion there 0/8
2020-01-25 19:40
#28
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Canada mandydingo 
you've ever heard of Ben johnson or any of his team mates? He trains at the Toronto track and field centre where I train and I see him all the time and have talked to him and his teammates about the good old days. I also talk to the olympians that they train now, obviously won't say names since they are active.
2020-01-25 19:43
#31
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
Ben Johnson is the most blend-in name I've ever heard, honestly no and there's really no conclusion to this bc there's no real proving/disproving this
2020-01-25 19:44
#32
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Canada mandydingo 
you're clearly a retard who can't even look up the sprinter Ben Johnson, the Canadian who won gold in 1988 only to have it stripped 24hrs later.
2020-01-25 19:45
#33
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
ok cool, issue still remains that if I was stupid enough to say "you got a photo with him?" you might have but cause i don't know what you look like there's no proof it's you
2020-01-25 19:46
#35
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Canada mandydingo 
so you'll just have to believe me that I know him. I know it's hard to do that on HLTV. You still can't refute my other claims about these pros having a really suspicious period then falling off in form as soon as they stop doing sketchy ass shit.
2020-01-25 19:49
#38
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
nah, ever heard of burden of proof? just saying "I know this sprinter and he says ___" has barely any value. Btw I used to swim competitively and I trained with michael phelps?
2020-01-25 19:51
#59
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Germany Shackrag 
but another fact is that the csgo meta changed. after the time mibr played well teams that weren't at the top before took over while mibr fell off. it might just be that mibr had problems adjusting to the changes. utlility and tactics became more important than firepower and individual plays
2020-02-07 15:45
#36
AdreN | 
Kazakhstan Aiomie 
Stop being such defensive. If there is no obstruction and consequences for cheatin you think something stops people from doing that and become better than humanly possible? Even Olympics cannot stop constant cheating, what can we do about cs go. Just think about it.
2020-01-25 19:50
#39
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
Obviously, I think that there are gonna be a good number of cheaters at semi-pro level, but higher up the anticheat/physical referees are generally too vigilant. obvs once or twice someone will slip through the cracks, but generally I think high up like tier 1/2/3 will be pretty cheat free
2020-01-25 19:54
#41
AdreN | 
Kazakhstan Aiomie 
There is always a possibility of a corruption. You can not prove you thought that tier 1/2/3 are cheat free, yet you can easily see that high tiers are exactly where you would want to cheat to achieve results, the stakes are high. Whole carreers and sometimes lives actually. It is possible to "negotiate" referees, since it is an organisation, it is all matter of money, politics and power. "Everything is for friends, and the law is for foes".
2020-01-25 20:02
Yep.
2020-01-25 23:43
If they state that in the contracts, couldn't it be a cause of legal trouble ? It wouldn't/couldn't necessarily be the cheating itself the problem but the 'damage' caused to the org ? I don't know much about international laws but at least here in a case like that you can get sued under the concept of 'damage' (._.')
2020-01-25 19:51
Probably missunderstood the whole thing but I agree with the tldr tho (._.')
2020-01-25 20:06
it's on the gear boi
2020-01-25 20:03
I'm almost sure gear nowadays is being checked for that.
2020-01-25 23:43
Discuss
2020-01-25 23:49
Sue? There are no laws for cheating in e-sports. There are no laws for cheating even in physical sports. It's all down to terms of participation which I'm not so sure are legally binding documents. ITS IN THEIR CONTRACTS! As a player you sign a contract with your org and depending on what the org wants from you if found guilty for cheating, you're most likely financially fucked. I know that UX Gaming had a $10,000 fine if found cheating.
2020-02-03 11:12
#58
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United States Nohj 
There are many t1 pros that cheat, such as twistzz and elige
2020-02-07 15:38
Only the Brazillians cheated for 2016-2017, no other country would cheat in CS. They probably cheat still, coldzera picking up the pace again? Nah he just got a better cheat coder.
2020-02-07 16:15
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