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Germany sunbather 
How many here are aware that veganism is being pushed by government/corporations? It's not really demand-driven, it's actively placed as a means for people to adopt it. Any observations from your country regarding the situation? Also stuff like what did change in the last 5 years regarding your shops and food marketing/advertising?
2020-01-27 22:23
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Sweden sweden4k 
are you BEEP you?
2020-01-27 22:25
are you tuck you (in bed)?
2020-01-27 22:26
fisker | 
Sweden sweden4k 
2020-01-27 22:26
gn eurosnuuser
2020-01-27 22:27
name checks out
2020-01-28 12:45
reply needs to have actual content
2020-01-27 22:35
are you duck you ? (._.')
2020-01-28 01:03
answer to this guy from the old thread: "eh...... it was started with individuals/groups around the world and then eventually pushed by corporations so they could take advantage of it and make more money don't see how/why the govt would be involved lol" - well the govt, because govt organisations put out dietary recommendations for the population and stuff. Think about food pyramid and so on.
2020-01-27 22:25
Denmark jkaemmeister 
i'm open minded so not arguing, but meat and especially dairy industry has been heavily pushed by governments as a nutritional necessity when studies have shown dairy isn't needed and in fact there are higher rates of osteoporosis. who profits off veganism? wouldn't it be better to push meat and dairy. only like 1% of the population in western countries is vegan.
2020-01-28 11:38
World Beard43 
Who profits from veganism? Lol you can't be serious. Any massive corporation can and many have created companies to sell mass produced processed vegetable products. Cereal companies, bread, fake meats/cheese/tofu/'milk', flours, pea protein, vitamin supplements. Why do you think it would be better for them to push meat and dairy for profit? I buy my beef by the side from a local farmer, how do you think these corporations can profit from that? Even the average person who buys it from the supermarket, the farmer and the supermarket are the only two who profit. With cereals etc. anyone can enter that market and they make people sick which creates another whole industry to profit from. The vast majority of western population eat plant based and have been doing so for many decades now. It's really not been serving us well at all.
2020-02-05 12:36
You are probably from some village ("I buy my beef by the side from a local farmer") but if you have visited any supermarket in some big city you would see that most of the stuff (including mentioned by you cereals and bread) is not even vegan, so your comment does not make too much sense tbh. "Plant based" and "vegan" are 2 different things. And typical western diet consist of meat and plant-based products, but even if it was mostly plants, it is still not necessary vegan unless it is 100% plant-based.
2020-02-05 12:51
World Beard43 
It depends if you call a city with almost 1.5 million people a village. 'Most of that stuff is not even vegan' What utter garbage. The two biggest cereal brands here, one of which is exclusively vegan, the other (Kellogg's) almost exclusively: Almost all of the smaller brands are vegan. But being vegan is beside the point, it's pushing grains and plant based eating that is the issue. I never said the average person is vegan I said plant based, which the vast majority of the population is. It's been making people more and more sick, both physically and mentally, for half a century now.
2020-02-05 13:34
veganism is for people with high iq so i dont blame you for not understanding it
2020-01-27 22:25
I just asked a question. But I don't need info from Germany because I live there myself obviously.
2020-01-27 22:31
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Bosnia and Herzegovina DaddyNiKo 
Why exactly ? If you are being one for health purposes than being vegetarian is enough. But if you are one for that "animals lives matter" bullshit than you are sub 60IQ honestly.
2020-01-27 23:00
Vegetarian is enough if you don't want clearer skin
2020-01-28 00:10
I'd rather eat meat than dairy. Name doesn't check out...
2020-01-28 08:16
Huh? They're both unhealthy wtf you talking about
2020-01-28 08:41
Dairy is easier to digest/absorb than meat. If you had to pick from 2 poisons, would you choose the one which your body digests/absorbs better or worse? :-)
2020-01-28 08:49
It sounds we're in complete agreement, what did you think I was trying to say?
2020-01-28 08:58
You said: > Vegetarian is enough My point is that I'd rather eat some meat and no dairy than be ovo-lacto vegetarian who doesn't eat meat but consumes dairy. Being vegetarian as a transitional phase on your way to vegan -- ok, no questions. But not in long term.
2020-01-28 09:02
That’s funny. Because most vegans I know are gullible idiots.
2020-01-27 23:01
they are victims, but they are also spreading it, so it's a problem
2020-01-27 23:07
2020-01-28 00:09
Are you being ironic with the sv3rige video? Do you know who sv3rige is? This guy eats raw and rotten meat and liver and has severe mental issues. It seems like he needs help.
2020-01-28 02:11
3 / 10 bait
2020-02-05 12:41
fuck plantkillers , aint got none of dat green shit on my burgers
2020-01-27 22:25
propably bait, but thx for contributing to this thread :D
2020-01-27 23:45
demand-driven? in most cases people don't even know what they want until offered.
2020-01-27 22:26
Yugoslavia seeeed 
Goverments pushing it? Why would they do such thing.
2020-01-27 22:39
I asked a question, why you answer back with a question? :) one explanation of how the government is pushing it: - govt organisations put out dietary recommendations for the population and stuff. Think about the food pyramid for example. edit: - one more example is the plan to tax meat. - one more example are the plans for the future which they clearly state in their papers, for example the agenda 21 stuff.
2020-01-27 22:44
Yugoslavia seeeed 
The food pyramid also containst a multitude of animal products. This is in no way vegan. Meat being taxed is not that bad of a thing. Dont know about this thing. First time hearing about it.
2020-01-27 22:46
many food pyramids are vegan, in the sense that they say you don't need animal products, and just put in the category "protein" or something like that. Besides the dairy they put oatmilk and soymilk as an alternative. Anyway they promote a diet based on grains and vegetables, so "the more plants the better". That's what they promote.
2020-01-27 22:50
Yugoslavia seeeed 
Okay so they are giving people alternative to the traditional food pyramid. Still dont think this automatically makes people change their eating habits. Because it doesnt. "the more plants the better" and? You do realize that a purely meat diet often results in health issues and even intestine cancer. This also doesnt mean that you should stop eating meat or animal products. Just that you should eat enough greens. Another thing is why would the goverment push for veganism when meat makes way way more money.
2020-01-27 22:59
of course they can change the eating habits of the general population. They did this like 70 years ago by promoting margarine instead of butter for instance in the US. And promoting whole grains. Make people believe it's good for them, make it cheap, they'll get used to it. All of this is very slow, but it is happening. Sure you can say "I can buy what I want", but times will change. They can regulate by increasing prices (meat tax) and by putting out propaganda about what to eat. I don't want to argue much about the health stuff in this thread, because I was asking for awareness and obervations from different countries. grain and sugar industries are the richest in the world. Btw, money has not much to do with it, they basically print the money, so it's about something else.
2020-01-27 23:04
I think I had an argument with this guy yesterday about food and he was saying shit like bread and seeds being bad and as a source he used this. So yeah, says enough.
2020-01-28 00:06
those videos are a good starting point and they made a lot of people try out stuff, which is what I promoted yesterday. He also puts in opinions by nutritionists which is also why I like to post those videos, people can check those people out and so on, and then they'll decide for themselves what they think is plausible and what is not.
2020-01-28 01:23
Yugoslavia seeeed 
Those videos are really bad. Bruh the guy thinks that seeds are used to dumb down the population and controll them.
2020-01-28 06:02
Yugoslavia seeeed 
That guy openly said that seeds are toxic and not natural. That the goverment uses them to dumb down the population so that they can manipulate them easier....
2020-01-28 06:27
There is a grain of truth in his words, but the irony is that dead flesh (aka meat) has a lot worse influence on human consciousness than any plant. "Aliena vitia in oculis habemus, a tergo nostra sunt" I guess...
2020-01-28 08:35
"Meat being taxed is not that bad of a thing." Why?
2020-01-28 07:41
Yugoslavia seeeed 
Because we dont live in a libertarian world and taxes are needed. Sure taxing meat may seem weird, but then again its probably done because meat industry creates a ton of pollution
2020-01-28 07:46
Instead of taxing everything till Noone buys it maybe fix the way why it's polluting so much.
2020-01-28 07:52
Yugoslavia seeeed 
Its easier, cheaper and more effecient to just raise tax. Ofcourse it would be better to change the industry so that it doesnt pollute anymore, but i doubt the lobby will let that happen
2020-01-28 07:58
the thing is this whole meat tax idea is coming from the left and vegans etc. They say they want to save the environment. thats all a lie. taxing everything until people don't buy it isn't the solution. Fix the proplems at production so we save the environment and the people who want to eat tasty meat still can. So both parties are happy.
2020-01-28 08:12
If the government was pushing veganism they would just change laws regarding animal farming (give animals more room, ban cruel factory farming etc.). Never gonna happen because the meat lobby is too powerful.
2020-01-27 22:49
"If the government was pushing veganism they would just change laws regarding animal farming (give animals more room, ban cruel factory farming etc.). " makes no sense to me, explain the logic
2020-01-27 22:51
What is there to explain? If livestock farms had to actually treat their animals better, for example pigs have a min. of 0.5m^2 space to live. Not really a lot if you ask me, the government could easily change to law and double it. That means livestock farms would have space for less animals -> meat price rises.
2020-01-27 22:58
to make people weak, easily controlled
2020-01-28 00:09
Yugoslavia seeeed 
That guy is a nutjob
2020-01-28 06:02
Canada ProvexPyker 
What are you talking about? Ofc businesses want to push it if there's a market for it lol How I feel if they pushed it without people that wanted it? Good. Their doing good. But businesses just want profit, so that'll never happen.
2020-01-27 22:53
they can push it but its democracy and everyone decides what to eat
2020-01-27 22:57
dream on, man
2020-01-27 23:37
United Kingdom Megamo10 
Dream on silver girllll
2020-01-28 12:54
no not really. its genuinely just companies finally capitalising on a trend
2020-01-27 23:00
I think so.
2020-01-28 01:04
+1 its happens all the time
2020-01-28 10:16
they are saving the environment. im not a vegan but why not just respect what they do
2020-01-27 23:01
this thread is about awareness and observation. Not gonna talk here about what is wrong with it much.
2020-01-27 23:05
2020-01-28 00:35
Hey! here is a healthier option for you. That's better for the environment and does not harm animals. Oh shit! must be the government that's trying to push veganism on me, better go back to eating red meat and killing animals :)
2020-01-27 23:15
this is about observation, are they pushing it or not? be honest with your observations
2020-01-27 23:18
i see what you mean, man... but look, as you may want to hear, perspectives vary from country to country. in brazil, for instance, cattle and soy are among the biggest "commodities" in the country. in our parliament there is a really strong and big group of politicians that push the interests of the wealthy farmers - many people suspect they are linked to the new policy of the brazilian government regarding the amazon to make room for new crops. and bolsonaro is pretty tied with this group, here we say that the three B's have elected him "bible, bullet and beef" (bala, bíblia e boi). so... is there an agenda to promote veganism? maybe there is. it is profitable for many people. but the same thing could be said about cattle. the truth behind this kind of polemic issue is rarely simple. if it seems simple and obvious it is a good idea to double check facts.
2020-01-28 00:12
thx man, that's why I was asking for opinions from other countries. I know it's not simple.
2020-01-28 00:13
Let me ask you something , what good can the animals give to us if we just let them be and eventually in about 100 years let them overpopulate ? Animals are useless appart from being a good source of meat.
2020-01-28 06:20
My biggest problem is not really about the killing. But the industry and how I was always told you NEED to eat meat. And that is just bs. Selling meat is a competition. Maximizing profit and sell cheapest. Meaning a lot of animal suffer. Not gonna write a wall of text. Increase the price/tax of animal products. Makse sure big companies invest in the animals wellbeing.
2020-01-28 07:35
If you don't want to it meat for healt issues than that's fine , but not wanting to eat to save animals is bs cuz they will still end up being killed and are practically useless unless we use their meat and products.
2020-01-28 11:31
Luxembourg kng_rdl 
they wouldnt overpopulate, the only animals that are overpopulating are humans. humans are not only useless they are also destroying the planet unlike animals
2020-01-28 11:37
Animals wouldn't overpopulate ? The only thing they know how to do are eating , sleeping and fucking. At least most of humans stop at 3 kids but animals just keep going. And do you seriously think they wouldn't attack humans ? They would even start killing eachother for food.Animals are stupid and shouldn't be used for anything other than their meat. At least I can have fun with a dog or a cat but what am I supposed to do with a fucking cow if i'm not going to eat their meat or drink their milk ?
2020-01-28 11:43
Luxembourg kng_rdl 
cant even tell if youre trolling or really that fucking stupid.
2020-01-28 12:44
Will an animal build me a house ? Will it become a doctor ? Will it teach in schools ? Will invent something usefull ? But let's say I'm actually stupid , I would be glad for you to explain and I'll even be happier to accept if I am wrong because I don't care about that pride shit. If I'm wrong than I'm wrong.
2020-01-28 13:47
Luxembourg kng_rdl 
why do other animals have to be useful for humans? youre not worth more than a cockroach.
2020-01-28 14:56
How do you know ? I might be useless now but I have a potential to be usefull unlike an animal. I'm studying medicine right now , I might be saving your life sometimes in the next 10 years and you wouldn't even know , but that doesn't matter. Animals can legit overpopulate , if we had a way to control that and produce enough food for them so they never attack humans or kill eachother if sortage ever happens than fine.But seeing how we can't even feed people I don't see a world in which we can sustain animal life like that.
2020-01-28 16:15
Veganism is retarded
2020-01-27 23:15
with that thought in mind you should observe what is happening around you. Changes are slow but you have to notice them, man. Don't get fooled.
2020-01-27 23:19
Iam noticing changes, ranging from ads to social media, im not that stupid to eat grass all day lul.
2020-01-27 23:23
2020-01-28 00:16
yea but cows eat grass. you are eating grass by proxy.
2020-01-28 01:15
most of the protein in your body is coming from animals, which they got from greens
2020-01-28 11:54
So? Imma eat meat nt corona
2020-01-28 13:08
There is fuc* fast food every 5 miles so how can corporations or even governament 'push' someone to become vegan? I really cant see this side of where i live.
2020-01-27 23:23
it's not everywhere the same. At same places it's propably not existent. just one small example: all fast food chains promote more and more vegan options. one more small example: govt put out official recommendations for people what to eat
2020-01-27 23:27
Bulgaria CHAPOLE! 
That's called demand you dumbfuck
2020-01-28 02:13
does vegans have pets like cat or dog? if yes, does they give meat to pets or they give onions and cucumbers to their pets?
2020-01-27 23:44
many feed their pets vegan. Complete delusion
2020-01-27 23:48
Reunion 1iquser 
idk really im seeing more of this organic label tho
2020-01-27 23:48
Argentina Cushiion 
Meat industry is huge, why would they want lose money, lmao
2020-01-27 23:51
why not first observe if it's happening and later think why? This thread is about awareness not reasoning behind it
2020-01-27 23:55
grain and sugar industries are the biggest.
2020-01-28 00:08
Sugar isn't necessary vegan though.
2020-01-28 00:56
World Beard43 
+1 both massive vegan industries
2020-02-05 12:40
United States sorcrcrc 
no wtf
2020-01-28 00:01
nice fake flag then, lmao
2020-01-28 00:02
United States sorcrcrc 
2020-01-28 00:06
There is more vegan food because more people want to eat it. It is not being pushed. Some people like it some people don't. Some people are so dense they don't even want to try it.
2020-01-28 00:11
I very much disagree, man :)
2020-01-28 00:19
Well you are wrong.
2020-01-28 00:23
no discussion about that here from my side, this thread is about observations, about what's goíng on, not if you think it's a cool thing, pls.
2020-01-28 00:24
Vegan food is based on supply and demand. A government has no beneftis promoting vegan food, apart from emission.
2020-01-28 00:27
if you remember the topic of this thread maybe someday in the next 10 years I'd be glad.
2020-01-28 00:29
You are the guy who linked youtuber sv3rige as a source yesterday right?
2020-01-28 00:32
it's not really a source, it's an opinion but yes, he talks a lot about this
2020-01-28 00:34
He talks about it without any credibility. He is just on a rant. The seed thing you talked about can be found out to be false if you search it. You get a Harvard study that disprove everything you said. The 'bread meaning meat' is also wrong.
2020-01-28 00:37
I find things out by experimentation/observation mostly. But I know the situations with the studies and stuff, don't worry. I'm not him, I don't agree with everything he says/believes. So argue with him, if you don't agree about something.
2020-01-28 00:40
Maybe I just work for the government and get payed to say these thing.
2020-01-28 00:50
I doubt it, but would be funny :D
2020-01-28 00:51
What they teach you at school is controlled by the governent, the UN food pyramid promotes plants over meat, says we need to limit meat as much as possible, they show the food pyramid at school.
2020-01-28 00:11
sounds familiar, but which country? you are not really from ethiopia or are you?
2020-01-28 00:14
no, but I'm guessing they show the food pyramid in every western country, europe and the usa.
2020-01-28 00:17
the propaganda and fake science surrounding nutrition has blown up hardcore, man. It's everywhere here.
2020-01-28 00:19
uk too, I keep seeing vegan, diary-free, oatmilk shit, when you are aware of it, you can't keep noticing :D
2020-01-28 00:23
think about what the next 10 years will bring... This is why I try to rise awareness about these topics, it's one of the few ways to fight it. I'd advise you to be at least somewhat active about those topics, don't do nothing.
2020-01-28 00:26
shits fucked, ignorance is bliss I guess, and yeah you shouldn't do nothing, I try too bring up these topics to family atleast, that's where it counts for me.
2020-01-28 00:32
what other topics?
2020-01-28 00:47
well I meant veganism, but since watching sv3rige and even before that I was already aware of lots of other "conspiracy theories" like the flouride in the water, which isn't even a secret but whatever, or chemtrails.
2020-01-28 01:01
ah that's good man, it's cool to talk to people like that. I have a hard time with chemtrails because I never found good evidence for it. They officially admit that planes cause clouds, but it's supposed to be from the engines. I cannot disprove that. Also where would they load the "fuel" for that? Has to be trackable in a way. Any info/links on this would be highly appreciated.
2020-01-28 01:07 this video has some footage of it, they literally start spraying that shit from the planes, there are contrail and chemtrails, contrails dissapear rather quickly, chemtrails form clouds, but they look different from normal clouds, take a look at the sky sometimes.
2020-01-28 01:21
I know this basic stuff, I know plane and cloud footage and I see it myself all the time. I checked out and stuff. Still it's not as easy to proof or make plausible to people, imo. It's not obvious like moonlanding, you know
2020-01-28 01:26
I just take a look at the sky and it does not look natural imo, I can't prove it I guess and I'm also not really that into conspiracy stuff. How was the moonlanding fake?
2020-01-28 01:30
too long topic right now with the moonlanding. Watching the official footage and astronaut interviews from that time is enough. Just skip through you will have a good laugh. here for example 3:15 and 9:00
2020-01-28 01:35
like it's probably fake but I have not done actual research, watching youtube videos is not research, 3;15 I wanna know the source of that video, if they actually did say that footage from space?
2020-01-28 01:51
a youtube video of someone stating an opinion is not research, but official footage of something on a youtube video is research/proof. The first video is from NASA channel. edit: my point was that not every conspiracy has so much material available and is so easily discussable as the moonlanding
2020-01-28 01:54
If you'd take the time to watch the video of the moon landing that you shared you'd realise that all of the footage was a "CBS News Simulation". They recreated the events as they were happening so that people had something to watch so they can more easily imagine what was going on as it happened. It'd be hard for people to follow along just listening to a distorted radio conversation and know what was happening. It was just for reference
2020-02-05 12:22
haha 1:25, the picture in this video is hardcore.
2020-01-28 01:30
If you really were that aware you wouldn't eat animal products. :-)
2020-01-28 01:13
I would because eating animal products makes me feel better, more energy, clearance.
2020-01-28 01:19
You're probably fine with fluoride as well as it's "good" for your teeth health? :-)
2020-01-28 01:26
rat poison is not good for you obviously, wtf is this comparison?
2020-01-28 01:27
Just a bit of food for thought, should be enough for aware person. :-)
2020-01-28 01:37
what food for thought? cutting meat out from people's diet is being pushed by the UN.
2020-01-28 01:41
So what, there is always action and reaction.
2020-01-28 01:51
fake news, only trust scientists and the government, THEY know what makes you feel better. ;)
2020-01-28 01:27
World Beard43 
That's the vegan mantra xD
2020-02-05 12:44
It's an objectively better way to eat so of course it's going to be marketed that way. Marketing doesn't disrupt market forces, government subsidies do. You only need to start worrying when the government is handing free money to companies that produce vegan food
2020-01-28 00:19
do you notice it a lot in Australia? The marketing/propaganda of this I mean.
2020-01-28 00:22
yeah it's just the same as any other company trying to sell their shit
2020-01-28 00:42
United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
I knew you were HLTV's resident conspiracy theorist
2020-01-28 00:38
hey, what's up man :D kinda true
2020-01-28 00:40
United Kingdom HLTV_PATRIOT 
2020-01-28 08:23
I heard about this 8 years ago or so. Btw how many here are aware that meat is being pushed by government/corporations?
2020-01-28 01:01
I was more talking about the trend/the direction it's heading. Time will tell.
2020-01-28 01:13
Vegan trend obviously rises, even in my country (Russia). Germany is probably one of the most "pro-vegan" countries, so should be even easier to notice for you.
2020-01-28 02:06
yepp it boomes like crazy here. I heared UK is even worse though
2020-01-28 02:06
it is obv. why? dunno. but vegan retards pay twice as much for their replacement product while it is basically nothing else than the food for our food^^
2020-01-28 01:06
I'm asking you if it's obvious. Depends a lot on where you live, also.
2020-01-28 01:09
and i said yes as you can see
2020-01-28 01:13
oh, I somewhat misread that.
2020-01-28 01:14
2020-01-28 01:18
Sweden DeeColon 
Our food also need food
2020-01-28 07:58
It is against meat industry countries government actually, such as USA, France, Brazil, Canada, etc...
2020-01-28 01:36
veganism is 5iq
2020-01-28 01:57
I heared all this stuff is much less in slavic countries. They don't get brainwashed as easily maybe.
2020-01-28 02:05
men))) jk, i don't have anything against it, i even think that it's really healthy, but i'm just not ready for that, maybe when i will have bigger wage
2020-01-28 02:06
Bulgaria CHAPOLE! 
Anyone wasting their breath talking shit about a group of people who put in the effort to lower their harm is a fucking degenerate in my opinion.
2020-01-28 02:17
The reason people hate is not for what they eat but for the fact that they are annoying as all shit. They think they are some saints "saving" the planet while we are closeminded and "killing" the planet as if I am the one killing all the animals. They just tend to push their agenda a bit too much and that's why people hate them.I mean , they want us to respect their choises put keep on bashing us for ours.
2020-01-28 06:25
Sweden DeeColon 
+1 "They just tend to push their agenda a bit too much" might also be understatement of the decade (so far atleast)
2020-01-28 07:57
Sweden DeeColon 
Yes, give some more of those unwashed plants, bugs and metric shit-tonnes of hormones. Shove that shit right down our throats.
2020-01-28 07:55
Denmark jkaemmeister 
hormones in plants? enlighten me.
2020-01-28 11:39
Sweden DeeColon 
The stuff that's used as filler (soy/tofu) just to make immitation meats
2020-01-28 11:40
Denmark jkaemmeister 
fuck that soy substitute shit. more people need to know how bad for you it is esp. if youre male
2020-01-28 11:41
Sweden DeeColon 
Yes, +1
2020-01-28 11:42
Sweden DeeColon 
Maybe that's another conspiracy, to make the entire world get the big gay
2020-01-28 11:43
In Greece, not really
2020-01-28 11:33
Hutler | 
Finland Qurko 
well our army has vegan food 2x a week, schools have it atleast once a week (also every day for vegans ofc), i remember some commercial of a big fast food company trying to make 50% of their menu meat free before 2030. it shouldn't be forced but its good people are making changes to make it more popular atleast, im not vegan but sometimes do eat vegan food and its really not that bad
2020-01-28 11:42
Kazakhstan tomik0 
dude we still eat horses da fuck u talking about
2020-01-28 11:43
World Beard43 
What is horse meat like?
2020-02-05 12:49
If it was really government funded, I'd expect there to be more variety and lower prices for vegan meat substitutes.
2020-01-28 13:48
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