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NaVi s1mple and GuardiaN similarities
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Qatar Number2awper 
- Both carried NaVi at their respective time period (2013-2017)(2018-now) - Both legendary awpers - Both players had shitters that brought down the team (everyone)(everyone except electronic) And especially, Both will never win a major...
2020-01-28 17:09
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You are calling Zeus, top 5 IGL of all time, a shitter? Lmao.
2020-01-28 17:09
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Qatar Number2awper 
Zeus don't even count as a player... He is a god
2020-01-28 17:10
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United Kingdom Newm1 
No he isnt. The single most dog shit overrated IGL of all time
2020-01-28 17:11
wtf?
2020-01-28 17:13
#20
2020-01-28 17:18
#68
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Estonia 424hhhh 
#20
2020-01-28 18:11
So the post should say except electronic and Zeus. Rest are debatable.
2020-01-28 17:11
except electronic and flamie.
2020-01-29 10:53
If we are talking about current NaVi then yeah I agree. Foamier gets too much hate.
2020-01-29 11:22
+1
2020-01-28 17:13
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United Kingdom Newm1 
yea he is a shitter. The fact you even refer to him as a top 5 igl of all time is stupid. If you exclude the one fluke run from the gambit major he has underachieved in all of GO
2020-01-28 17:11
#7
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Canada Herodionus 
Flair checks out
2020-01-28 17:12
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United Kingdom Newm1 
Good one , how long did that take you to think of ?
2020-01-28 17:12
#17
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Canada Herodionus 
-1/8 Bas bait
2020-01-28 17:14
#8
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Finland Vkims 
Underachieved? 16 trophies, 4 times in major final? How is that underachieving? XDDDDD
2020-01-28 17:12
where do you have those 16 trophies from...? 5 big events and thats it which rly isnt that good in 7 years
2020-01-28 17:15
#20
2020-01-28 17:17
ok i will try it this way: we has 5 relevant trophies. better?
2020-01-28 17:19
No because he has won 5 majors. Many more S tier in GO alone.
2020-01-28 17:21
in csgo he won 5 relevant tournaments...in 7 years
2020-01-28 17:21
Not arguing, which ones I just am curious?
2020-01-28 17:22
hltv.org/stats/players/events/484/Zeus?m.. btw i dont want to bash zeus. he is imo good igl and he had great career overall but if we look only on csgo he is imo pretty underachieved especially if we consider players that he had
2020-01-28 17:24
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Finland Vkims 
2020-01-29 11:56
"5 big events and thats it which rly isnt that good in 7 years" i couldnt care less about events like game show or dream hack open
2020-01-29 11:59
consider this , He never won a major with the great teams he played with, only one fluke win with Gambit which yes i will admit was impressive but nevertheless a fluke. He is statistically one of the worst fragging IGLs ever with one of the worst t sides ive ever seen from an IGL he is so old , predictable and backwards as a player. 16 trophies When you consider he played from the beginning of GO to the end of 2019 and he always had a good squad really isnt that impressive. He always choked major finals and the last one he played against astralis summed it all up. In my opinion he is one of the most overrated shittest IGLs to ever play Global Offensive at the top Level. Nowhere near as good as some of the minds we have had
2020-01-28 17:17
#20
2020-01-28 17:19
braindead
2020-01-28 17:21
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Qatar Number2awper 
still a major win
2020-01-28 17:26
True , i dont deny that but it was a fluke, whilst all the gambit players did split none of them maintained the same form , and if zeus was so good you would have expected him to go back int navi and form an era of some sort. Zeus is one of the only igls i know of who is so highly rated but never ever had an era
2020-01-28 17:29
#77
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Finland Vkims 
16 is pretty decent I would say, if we compare that to players like flusha, who has been playing GO almost from the beginning too. Flusha has 19 trophies while zeus has 16. And Flusha has been playing far better teams than what Zeus did. So did flusha underachieve too or what?
2020-01-29 12:01
Flusha won majors mate, Flusha was arguably the best player in arguably the best team of all time. Yes flusha did fall off a cliff after 2016. The one thing i do really like about zeus tho was the fact that he was always in the top10 and challenging, none of his teams ever became absolute dogshit, just laughable at times(even then they were still getting to knockouts in big tournaments despite not getting very var)
2020-01-29 12:04
0/8
2020-01-28 17:14
0/8
2020-01-28 17:16
Flair checks out. Firstly, gambit was not a fluke. The reason they dropped after was because they lost Zeus in transfer. Players were and mostly are top tier. Secondly, Zeus in GO alone has: 1 major win, 3 major 2nd place and 2 major 3rd. 17 LAN wins. Let alone 1.6 with 4 major wins. Lastly, Zeus has won more majors in CS than DEVVE, as well as the entirety of UK combined so yeahhh.
2020-01-28 17:16
This has nothing to do with the UK. And to say zeus has more majors than DEVVE is retarded. Zeus was amazing in 1.6 , no one can deny that but in GO he was never that good, People just think he is. I guarantee you that if Navi had a different IGL back when they got to Faceit london finals , they would have actually challenged them
2020-01-28 17:21
That is all well and good in theory sir, but which IGL would they take? There is no proof that this would have happened. Having a different IGL would change entire timelines, so you can’t “guarantee” any of this.
2020-01-28 17:23
Just because you there was no better CIS igl doesn't make him amazing. Im saying , theoretically they could have had anyone else and done better. He was dog shit. when you read into some of the shit he does , how he treats players , how he reacts in game and how he actually plays you will see that he actually is just dogshit
2020-01-28 17:26
There are just too many IFs. I’m sure in one of the infinite universes where NaVi had a different and more skilled IGL they would have won major. But you (figuratively, not literally) can’t guarantee this. Too many uncertainties. Furthermore, a major win and 4 other “big” events in GO alone is nothing to frown at. Karrigan, arguably best IGL in the game with top players hasn’t won a major yet.
2020-01-28 17:30
1.6 majors and CSGO majors are not the same thing at all
2020-01-28 18:10
Not saying they are, but we are talking about a man’s CS achievements, not just GO. Anyway Zeus has won both so no doubt he is one of the best IGL in history of game.
2020-01-29 00:40
#20
2020-01-28 17:17
>major winning igl >made s1mple peak as a player OveRRatEd!!!
2020-01-28 17:28
HOW DID HE MAKE SIMPLE PEAK? simple made himself peak. S1mple was a god before he joined NAVI , He was a god when zeus was removed from navi , he was a god when zeus came back and he is still a god now that the fat cunt has left again
2020-01-28 17:31
Come on man. The year s1mple got number one it was with Zeus in team for year. You can’t look past that.
2020-01-28 17:32
Yes but that wasnt because of Zeus bro. youre deluded if you think that.
2020-01-28 17:35
Of course s1mple’s raw skill being one of the best players ever to touch the game is the main part, but Zeus experience and knowledge certainly refined s1mple. Interviews have said that s1mple was out of line when he joined NaVi, then Zeus threaten him and then boom no.2 at major and s1mple top 1.
2020-01-28 17:38
That changed his attitude. S1mple was still banging peoples head off when he was very disrespectful
2020-01-28 17:39
+1 if Zeus is so bad how come Karrigan, arguably best IGL ever, also with top players, hasn’t won a major.
2020-01-28 17:31
Karrigan just chokes the majors , but karrigan can take a team of decent players to the top ( like he did with TSM and with current mouz ) he can also assert an era of dominance like he did with faze clan , something zeus would never accomplish.
2020-01-28 17:34
Welllll NaVi was in same position mouse is in now so Zeus has done the same Karrigan is doing.
2020-01-28 17:36
difference is zeus has ALWAYS had world class players except from gambit ofc. I don't think he is a bad IGL , i just think he is so overrated . To a point where it's actually laughable that people can't see it. I still respect him like i do with any pro because it takes a lot to be that good. I would just say hes low top 10 , not top 5 .
2020-01-28 17:39
I honestly enjoy these discussions. So intellectual when people don’t rage so I thank you for that. Now, Zeus in gambit is very comparable to Karrigan in mouse now. Not the best players, but certainly up there. As for Karrigan, he was surrounded by Astralis players for years so he is in same boat as NaVi Zeus. Their careers are so comparable, except for Gambit beating Astralis to enter finals. Edit - enter finals and win major
2020-01-28 17:44
Yes i enjoy discussion too. always nice to debate opinions on the game we all love, Yes zeus is similar to Karrigan now but not the same , admittedly karrigan actually has it easier, zeus had awful players who were unknown apart from adren , he managed to even get dosia playing well which was amazing admittedly but I always have had the view that it was a fluke because thats the only time he ever impressed me , Zeus has never been dominant in his GO career. There was brief stints where he had back to back #1 finishes but then they would go back to being a mediocre top 10 team. Never ever dominant so there is no way he can ever be considered top 5. I could name 5 better IGLS right now Glaive Fallen (in his prime ofc not now because MIBR suck balls OMEGALUL) Karrigan Pronax (prime) TaZ (prime)
2020-01-28 17:55
Yeah I can’t disagree with someone who lists TaZ and pronax. Zeus WAS great but I suppose too inconsistent to be top 5. Maybe #7 all time highest. Edit - still not bad at all considering there are hundreds of pro teams hahaha
2020-01-28 18:00
Obviously not bad , like I said I still respect him . I just cant ever understand why people call him top 5. I would say he is 7-9 of all time. If we include 1.6 and source players the you could maybe make an argument for top 5. The one thing i do like about zeus though is his leadership . Thats one thing I like about him . He demands respect and always makes sure he is respected
2020-01-28 18:05
+1 I have been including 1.6 (less source but whatever) because I say Cs, not just GO. Sorry if that unclear. Certainly changed the game.
2020-01-28 18:07
That would explain our differences of opinion !. I watched source not 1.6 so i never got to experience just how good zeus was first hand , but i have watched old games and tournaments and i know how good he was at his peak
2020-01-28 18:09
I love how the essence of the games is similar but they are so different in play styles. Nothing compared to Shox and Kenny in source, by far my favourite players.
2020-01-29 00:41
there were some god UK players in source. The good old days :(
2020-01-29 10:44
Yes
2020-01-28 17:25
Zeus has more majors than Germany combined xaxaxa
2020-01-28 17:25
Zeus 5 majors device 4 lol
2020-01-28 17:46
Correct, I put this is one of my earlier replies. Zeus top 5 IGL in all time cs.
2020-01-28 17:48
True, top1 igl of late cs1.6 too
2020-01-28 17:50
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United Kingdom Newm1 
sadly very true
2020-01-28 17:10
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Qatar Number2awper 
It always seems like Navi always missing a piece of the puzzle. They had decent lineup with s1mple and guardian in 2017, then the coaching banned happen. By the time they got elec edward is washed up and zeus lost all motivation (won major). Then they got back GuardiaN but the puzzle is already entirely different...
2020-01-28 17:14
+1
2020-01-29 12:02
+2))))))))
2020-01-29 12:05
I think departure of Zeus hit NAVI hard we all saw how NAVI went downgrade after his departure few years ago now it's happening again, there is no good IGL in CIS.
2020-01-28 17:13
Zeus_1_major_IGL s0mple and guardian_0_major /closed
2020-01-28 17:13
I love your nickname. So true.
2020-01-28 17:18
I love your nickname. So true.
2020-01-28 17:25
Thanks)) u2 I love the word gronk so funny
2020-01-28 17:26
wtf?
2020-01-28 17:14
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Ukraine YUR4S 
botian and god s1mple
2020-01-28 17:19
GuardiaN didn't carry NaVi in 2017 or 2016
2020-01-28 17:24
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Qatar Number2awper 
He still was a star awper of the team, better then the other 3 players by a WIDE margin
2020-01-28 17:27
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Brazil Eneas56 
+1 in most of part of 2016 it was pretty balanced hltv.org/stats/lineup/players?lineup=759.. as soon as Zeus got kicked they started to rely strongly on S1mple hltv.org/stats/lineup/players?lineup=759.. hltv.org/stats/lineup/players?lineup=759..
2020-01-28 17:36
flamie isn’t a shitter, he’s been almost top 20 every year he hasn’t been top 20 it was edward that bought them down so much
2020-01-28 17:35
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Argentina Shuanx 
Guardian carrying in 2017?? Lmaooo he was good from 2014 to 2016 and later on early Faze.
2020-01-29 00:44
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