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G2 or Vitality
eraa | 
Montenegro Kladiz 
Who's the best ATM and why ?
2020-02-16 15:26
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#1
ropz | 
Europe Sir^ 
Heretics
2020-02-16 15:29
+1 KioShiGod
2020-02-17 19:11
#174
TACO | 
Brazil kotopro2 
mibr , faze and furia arecurrent top3 teams in the world.
2020-02-19 18:27
kkkkkkkk remember when furia were top 5 xd
2020-02-19 18:28
#176
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North America X3pHyR_2k 
Somewhere after ECS
2020-02-19 18:33
#249
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Romania Iosif 
Delusional much?
2020-02-20 09:52
#320
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North America 007DBR9 
astralis mouz fnatic
2020-02-21 03:20
#428
Ex6poN | 
Europe EssoNr 
+1
2020-02-23 18:32
#419
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Russia kdruss 
Quite daring today , aren't we
2020-02-23 03:09
#168
D0cC | 
Netherlands Y0r1ck 
+1
2020-02-19 17:04
LDLC ez
2020-02-23 18:38
#2
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Austria sometime2 
G2 cuz they're more structured and has more skilled players
2020-02-16 15:31
#91
s1mple | 
Norway NoB8t 
+1
2020-02-19 12:09
If they were more strcutred theyd have more strats, better trade stats and better flash assists. G2 are much puggier and have weaker comms
2020-02-19 12:10
#106
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China KoreanFan 
+1 Also Vitality more inconsistent.
2020-02-19 12:26
G2 loses to mouz with a stand-in and coach and you wanna talk about inconsistent lol
2020-02-19 12:35
#125
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China KoreanFan 
That was last year. Also I said 'more inconsistent', implying both are.
2020-02-19 12:46
They arent tho G2 has a much lower floor
2020-02-19 15:59
#164
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China KoreanFan 
Not many tournamets were played, we need to wait a little longer.
2020-02-19 16:20
Then how can you call Vitality more inconsistent lol
2020-02-19 23:21
#248
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China KoreanFan 
G2 won Champions Cup and placed 1st in Blast.
2020-02-20 09:51
And Vitality won epicenter much bigger than champions cup. Placed top 2 at malmo and cologne has a major spot and are ranked higher....... And no they placed 1st in a group after a player break where teams were clearly rusty (Ast losing to col and Navi). They haven't proven they're tier 1 yet.
2020-02-20 16:34
#268
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China KoreanFan 
Man, don't waste our time. Here you go: (results since StarLadder Major) G2 Vitality 1st |C. Cup Malta| EPICENTER 2019 2nd | cs-summit | DreamHack Masters Malmö 2019 3rd-4th | ESL One NY | IEM Beijing Also G2 qualified for IEM Katowice and placed 1st-3rd Blast Premier while Vitality only 7th-9th. Still, it's too early to judge. Both teams ARE INCONSISTENT from what we witnessed last year, but things may change. Tldr: Both teams are inconsistent and we need to wait longer for more results.
2020-02-20 16:51
Epicenter >>> Malta Malmo >>>>>>>>>>>> summit Vitality dont lose vs coaches at real tournaments. Well have a more complete picture after Katowice.
2020-02-20 17:06
#315
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Germany EselKicker44 
Yeah Vitality is more inconsistent, they can be very good --> Epicenter and shit ---> Blast. G2 is lower overall, but not that inconsistent, the only time was summit last map and after that they are playing consistently well.
2020-02-21 02:30
Only reason you think that is because Vitality have a higher peak. Blast wasnt even that bad. They lost to Navi who have incredible players and CoL who also beat Astralis and couldnt be studied. Not to mention it was after a player break, many teams showed rust. That's a much better result than losing to a coach and standin. They also have lost multiple times to forze, got 2-0d by Tyloo and lost to current C9 at pro league. It's like people choose to ignore all the weak results because of a small streak.
2020-02-21 02:44
and kennyS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZywOo
2020-02-25 02:22
Sure bud. You could at least attempt to be rational. Thanks for agreeing tho :)
2020-02-25 02:35
nt lmao
2020-02-25 02:44
Yawn keep trying.
2020-02-25 05:16
nt
2020-02-26 04:09
Yawn
2020-02-26 04:44
nt
2020-02-26 05:14
Beating ence and spirit is not impressive for the level and price that G2 is, champions cup was a B tier tournament.
2020-02-20 16:47
#269
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China KoreanFan 
Vitality lost to complexity.
2020-02-20 16:50
G2 lost to mouz with a coach and stand in. Vitality lost to a new team with really good fraggers that they had no demos to study on... And CoL is clearly better than spirit and Ence lol
2020-02-20 17:04
#278
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China KoreanFan 
mouz, NaVi, Astralis are better than G2 and Vitality.
2020-02-20 17:05
Vitality has beaten Navi more and beat Mouz the last time they faced them. Navi also hadnt been to a final since March before Ice Challenged and they got smacked pretty hard by Mouz, the only other tier 1 team there. Navi have almost no tactical base, they just hope to put s1mple and electronic in good positions and pray that they multifrag. What was the point of this comment btw? Its pretty obvious Mouz and Astralis (the #1 and 2 in the world) are better than the other teams currently.... pretty random and dumb obvious
2020-02-20 17:11
#287
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China KoreanFan 
GO fuckyouirself retasrd. Neither Vitality or G2 will become No.1 cuz Vitality ZyWoo reliant and G2 inconsistent af.
2020-02-20 17:40
Stay mad dweeb
2020-02-20 20:40
#293
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China KoreanFan 
Like you are willing to argue forever, because I slightly offended Vitality. Wtf? Dude, I like shox, RpK and ALEX and the team overall, nothing against them.
2020-02-20 20:42
Okay bud keep thinking that. I simply disagreed with you saying Vitality are more inconsistent because its provably false
2020-02-20 21:30
yeah it was before the break now after the break g2 is looking like the better team p.s. vitality was looking better with nbk
2020-02-19 12:46
Yeah they had better peaks but are equally as competent now that the roles are proper with shox. NBKs issue wasnt his play it was his conflicts for leadership with Alex
2020-02-19 15:56
Kinda was his play, check his stats during the last major with Vitality. He struggled to break double digits games after games.
2020-02-20 16:55
There were reports that during the major is when the bulk of the arguments happened. I think it was reported that one game he didnt even comm. The lineup was done before the tournament even was. Check his stats vs Astralis at Cologne. Hes clearly still a competent and intelligent player and very versatile too
2020-02-20 17:02
#177
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North America X3pHyR_2k 
NBK- is the international kingmaker forget baguette
2020-02-19 18:34
#132
huNter- | 
Korea Jew2K 
so if G2 are inconsistent that means its impossible for Vitality to be as well?
2020-02-19 13:44
I didnt say that? I said you cant use inconsistency as point for G2 over Vitality when G2 is just as if not more inconsistent.
2020-02-19 15:56
#433
huNter- | 
Korea Jew2K 
That's what u meant, but not what u typed
2020-02-24 20:44
Try making sense lol
2020-02-25 01:17
structured? what, they are relying solely on skill and are far from structered. vitality has more strucure and clearer roles but they lack a lot of skill since zywoo is the only reliable player were as g2 has 3-4 players that can go off each game.
2020-02-20 02:42
#396
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Portugal KLUKSA 
+1
2020-02-22 22:48
Its very different teams, Vitality is a 1v5 team with basicaly the best player in the world and G2 is a well structured team with a bunch of players looking to become top20 players this year, one is rising into the top10 while the other has likely hit its peak around the top5... Hard to say if Vitality will fall off or if G2 can rise to their level
2020-02-16 15:33
Vitality has a way deeper playbook and nade usage
2020-02-19 12:16
#121
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Poland fanofs1mple 
what? vitality has no s1mple
2020-02-19 12:39
gtfo. name, flair...
2020-02-20 16:38
#270
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Poland fanofs1mple 
dosier in 2020 lmao
2020-02-20 16:52
#4
Dosia | 
Greenland Grobiz 
I'd go for G2 Zywoo =/> KennyS (=as an awp, but > for the rest) Alex < Nexa Apex < Hunter Rpk > Amanek Shox < Jackz
2020-02-16 15:33
#6
eraa | 
Montenegro Kladiz 
dude respect them please : apex <<<< huNter
2020-02-16 15:35
#7
Dosia | 
Greenland Grobiz 
Alex <<<< Nexa too
2020-02-16 15:36
Alex much better tactician and mid round caller
2020-02-19 12:10
#104
Dosia | 
Greenland Grobiz 
Proof or i'll kill the dog
2020-02-19 12:24
Watch cologne vs Astralis. Better calling than Nexa has ever done
2020-02-19 12:24
I remember that match it was so nice seeing astralis being outplayed
2020-02-19 12:29
Yep, super high level match.
2020-02-19 12:30
I also remember that zywoo almost clutched a 1v3 with deagle but the molotov spreaded and he died
2020-02-19 12:32
Yeah and he was still so calm
2020-02-19 12:33
#112
Dosia | 
Greenland Grobiz 
Ok i'll watch it!
2020-02-19 12:30
#137
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France Animaline 
nice reaction :)
2020-02-19 14:25
wtf respect Kenny zywoo has to use cod gun to be good with rifle
2020-02-17 18:40
#21
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North America 007DBR9 
ZywOo is also infinitely better than anyone on G2
2020-02-17 19:08
yeah easy when all you do is stat pad and bait your entire team
2020-02-17 19:29
#47
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United States MEEBAH 
Sooo you're one of thoooose guys...
2020-02-18 09:52
i'm a guy with half a brain? yes thats me. SA brain > NA brain and that's just facts
2020-02-18 18:47
#64
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France Asviix 
+1
2020-02-18 19:22
Imagine being this retarded and thinking you're smart
2020-02-19 09:43
ok norway
2020-02-19 17:02
Dude...Zywoo is by far the best player in the world. He doesn't even bait hard either
2020-02-19 12:41
i think he's one of the best, but you're gonna tell me s1mple is worse player than zywoo? come on man.
2020-02-19 17:03
You’re on a thread arguing about kenny being on the same level or better than zywoo «because he use cod gun» lmfao, are you retarded or autistic? Ooga booga
2020-02-19 18:16
that's what you are but what am i? ps, you replied to wrong comment, but its ok i understand small norway brain pps. cod gun is for n00bs, you probably use it too.
2020-02-19 20:15
Is everyone from colombia this much of a mongoloid or are you one of a kind?
2020-02-19 20:55
not gonna lie, that made me laugh but its scientifically proven cod gun = n00b gun, even the Don agrees.
2020-02-19 21:11
I agree SG is a fucking retarded ass gun for bitch ass bitches, but tbh Zywoo could use a famas all game and still be better than kennyScrub :/
2020-02-19 21:28
for me anyone who unironically uses SG in normal gun round, not like 15-14 or super important round = no balls
2020-02-19 21:34
#253
shox | 
India iejesus 
+11111111
2020-02-20 15:44
You realize the reason the AWP is so expensive is because its easier to use than the SG right? So you're okay with AWPers but not SG players? You realize scoped rifles are a real thing right? And are in most competitive games.
2020-02-20 21:33
nah the awp is for bitch ass ninjas too. also CS isn't meant to imitate real life from what I know.
2020-02-21 19:27
It's also not meant not to. So what's wrong with scopes? They exist lol
2020-02-22 12:25
yeah but for bitch ass ninjas like picking mid on d2 ok but anything else - bitch
2020-02-24 19:33
Yawn
2020-02-25 01:18
#281
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France LeDiplomate 
So because a gun is good means it's for noobs? You're probably one of those guys bot even capable of using it so you complain about it.
2020-02-20 17:12
#191
2020-02-20 19:27
#297
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France LeDiplomate 
Ok bro I'd rather have no balls than starving to death trying not to get tortured by the farcs.
2020-02-20 22:01
you have no balls because the refugees cut them off sit down out here talking like FR is so much better than CO
2020-02-21 19:26
#242
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United States America! 
Hahahahahhahahaha
2020-02-20 05:45
xD
2020-02-20 15:41
i saw a lot of times zywoo holding bombs alone without any assists
2020-02-18 19:43
And going first without any revenge
2020-02-19 09:49
#230
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France OtelloO 
We even saw him going first and quadkill the shit out of ENCE before his teammates even finished buying their nades
2020-02-20 02:47
no i meant going alone in mid (dans le T), first, with mac 10 or ak, they prefer to bait him instead of bot apex and le tank going first
2020-02-20 03:04
#235
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France OtelloO 
I know and this is pissing me off when I see that. Zywoo should always be with someone else and always used for complete firepower. Sending him to open tricky corners and decoying to get information triggers me very much, moreover when I see the other morons step back when he dies.
2020-02-20 03:07
yes
2020-02-20 03:56
Eh, very rarely. Zywoo is almost always set up to be flashed into his AWP peeks or play for the post plant, which is the same thing Astralis does with Device
2020-02-26 20:20
When they bait for him
2020-02-20 05:45
#84
keev | 
Germany _PH1L 
Than he is just smarter cuz sg/aug>AK/M4
2020-02-19 09:47
#32
device | 
Denmark bebm 
zywoo is a better awper rn, and way better rifler overall zywoo is so much better than kenny prime kenny awp > zywoo awp tho but current zywoo awp > kenny awp
2020-02-17 19:20
#49
Dosia | 
Greenland Grobiz 
meeeeeeh...
2020-02-18 12:51
zywOo overrated can't hit flicks like KennyS
2020-02-19 08:31
Yes he can and flicks are symptom of getting surprised/wrong xhair placement. Zywoo is always looking the right way :)
2020-02-19 12:34
#138
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France Animaline 
exactly, just like device !!
2020-02-19 14:26
zywOo is too fat to move so he just sits still
2020-02-19 15:08
Cry more pizza face
2020-02-19 15:34
Wtf, expected from zywho fan
2020-02-19 21:52
Expecting the truth nerd
2020-02-19 23:26
nerd wtf? you can't just assume what I am
2020-02-20 07:51
I didn't, you proved it
2020-02-20 16:42
+1 KennyS overrated af atm. Literally only useful with awp, and sometimes even useless with it
2020-02-19 09:44
To be fair, he seems to be hitting his shots now tho
2020-02-19 12:41
He seemed to be doing better recently, but my god is consistency a problem for him. I gotta see more tournaments like these from him to believe he really is back. But anyways, Zywoo->Kenny atm, no doubt. Zywoo #1 for a reason
2020-02-19 13:07
yeah def
2020-02-20 00:45
dude Kenny >>>>>>> Zywoo on awp sorry
2020-02-19 15:50
#165
Dosia | 
Greenland Grobiz 
On fire KennyS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any awper in csgo history. But regular Kennys? Meeeeeeh....
2020-02-19 16:23
on fire KennyS never maintained a 1.3 rating for an entire year. Zywoo has and its because hes a more complete player. Kenny might hit flashier shots, thats debatable, but zywoo had better pistols rifles and utility usage (yes these things still matter as an AWPer) and is overall much more aware. Flicks are a product of poor xhair placements/unexpected peeks, zywoo is always ready
2020-02-26 20:18
amanek > rpk le tank
2020-02-20 02:50
#239
Dosia | 
Greenland Grobiz 
Nope
2020-02-20 05:28
#250
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Netherlands Alvinvl 
+1 Amanek is actially decent.
2020-02-20 09:54
ofc, give to amanek a mac10 and he can put easily a force buy vs full buy
2020-02-20 14:56
give RpK a p250 and he can rekt full buys
2020-02-21 05:42
#246
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France CocoBiceps 
Imagine in 2020 still comparing player by player To know what is the best team
2020-02-20 08:42
#5
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Europe You_are_weak 
G2 because more potential. Vitality can't do more they already did with this line-up.
2020-02-16 15:34
I agree, Vitality have had an amazing peak last year which is going to be tough for them to replicate. It's a shame that they have a major spot instead of G2, I would've loved to see a team consisting of ZywOo, kennyS, huNter, JaCkz & Nexa/Alex play at the next major.
2020-02-16 15:43
#18
kennyS | 
Czech Republic Heart1e 
great lineup, but zywoos english sucks
2020-02-17 18:40
I know, but surely he can learn it like JaCkz has.
2020-02-17 19:05
#24
kennyS | 
Czech Republic Heart1e 
ye
2020-02-17 19:09
#22
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North America 007DBR9 
he only knows idk
2020-02-17 19:08
Zywoo kennys hunter jackz nexa I'm already wet just thinking about it
2020-02-18 19:12
Right?!?!?
2020-02-18 19:37
Right !!!
2020-02-20 16:36
ALEX > nexa for IGLing nexa > ALEX for skill ZywOo > kennyS AMANEK > shox huNter > apEX JACKZ > RpK
2020-02-16 15:37
Alex is the better caller, nexa has beter aim shox > amanek amanek is the weakest player
2020-02-19 12:18
That's what I said AMANEK is the smartest in G2 and he's better at flanking than shox shox has better aim but can't kill
2020-02-19 13:42
#133
huNter- | 
Korea Jew2K 
AmaNEk isn't exactly a great fragger either
2020-02-19 13:47
He doesn't have to, it's not in his role to frag or something
2020-02-19 13:49
I mean hes the lurker just like shox. They should both have clutch capabilities. Plus shox adds a 2nd awp element. Amanek might have better timed flanks but shox is much better in post plant situations
2020-02-19 15:32
no and amanek is also 2nd awp
2020-02-19 15:33
And shox is better at it. Shox is better in post plant situations he has more clutches and he has a higher peak. Amanek is the weakest member on G2. No is not an argument. Just concede
2020-02-19 15:34
sure but atm he sucks and amanek is smarter and better in general, he's the weakest because there's jackz, hunter, nexa, and kennyS in Vitality he should be the 2nd best fragger and he has 0.90 rating AMANEK has 1.04 shox is garbage
2020-02-19 15:35
Atm shox still finds more impact and is more important for Vitality than amanek is for G2. Shox's raw ability is leagues above amanek. Amanek has slightly better decision making currently but that's fixable. Amanek will never have the same ability in clutch situations hltv.org/stats/players/compare/1225/shox..
2020-02-19 15:39
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/1225/shox.. he was in G2 for something like 9 months why the fuck would u choose 2019 instead of past 3 months so delusional...
2020-02-19 15:41
LUL based on 16 maps. Nice sample size. Yeah for that exact reason. It much better to compare them over a reasonable sample size than 16 maps lol
2020-02-19 15:48
wait
2020-02-19 15:56
Aka both underperforming but shox is more likely to carry
2020-02-19 16:00
AMANEK has to underperform if the others do perform, make nexa underperform and then AMANEK will perform more, or make them win more rounds etc.
2020-02-19 18:07
No one ever has to underperform. Amanek struggles to find impact in a decent amount of matches and he kept his roles when nexa joined so that doesnt really make sense
2020-02-19 23:20
You're baiting, cu
2020-02-19 23:33
You're delusional. Nexa even said in the interviews that he had to switch roles to keep amanek comfortsble and that he now plays. A trade fragger role instead.
2020-02-19 23:42
"He took a step back now that I'm leading and he's is focusing on his fragging, so since he doesn't communicate a lot and JaCkz doesn't speak much English I was put into roles that required rotations and a lot of communication to give proper information and tell people how to reposition. I went from being an anchor to playing rotation spots on every map, which was something new for me. "I also had to switch with AmaNEk on the T side. He's the lurker now, which was the role I played in Imperial and Valiance, so that was also an adjustment for me, but now I'm like the third-entry, the trade-fragger, and I'm starting to feel pretty comfortable." When you cant accept you were wrong and resort to "yOuRe bAiTiNg" Pa-the-tic
2020-02-19 23:47
didn't read u don't know that there's no team with 5 players performing as much or all "well" I guess 1.10 rating for u because u're dumb af and think that 1.04 isn't enough when all ur mates are above
2020-02-19 23:49
Im not sure what your argument even is at this point. Amanek is the weakest link on the team he doesnt do that much in terms of support and he essentially gets carried because nexa is over performing and hunter and Kenny are excellent Also it's not like G2 is on some type of hot streak they did well at 1 group stage. They still have some pretty big problems to address such as a deeper tactical playbook and communication. Didnt read the quote from nexa where he counters everything you're saying about how the changes affected amanek. Okay keep being delusional and actively ignoring facts.
2020-02-19 23:53
Everyone plays well on Astralis. Everyone on EG can step up. Everyone on Fnatic finds impact. Liquid has fraggers out the ass. To be a top team all of the players need to step up and sometimes amanek (like shox) goes missing.
2020-02-19 23:54
#434
huNter- | 
Korea Jew2K 
i dont think his role in the team matters if u comparing who's better out of 2 players head to head
2020-02-24 20:45
#340
zet | 
Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
RpK is better than JaCkZ
2020-02-21 10:18
I don't think so
2020-02-21 11:58
#344
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Argentina Shuanx 
-1 wtf
2020-02-21 12:14
#9
kennyS | 
Croatia buzeG2 
kennys > zywoo nexa > alex hunter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apex amanek = rpk jackz > shox
2020-02-16 15:38
#11
eraa | 
Montenegro Kladiz 
Let's be real, zywoo > kenny anydays
2020-02-16 16:37
#12
kennyS | 
Croatia buzeG2 
not if kenny keeps playing like this
2020-02-16 16:40
#14
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Yugoslavia al0)) 
lel zywoo has way higher peak than kennys
2020-02-16 16:42
#23
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North America 007DBR9 
lol my guy saying 2020 kenny is better than zywoo XAXAXAXAXAXAXAXA
2020-02-17 19:09
Please don't say every kennyS fan is like that. BEcause I think zywoo > kennyS But kennyS >< zywoo. But kennyS prime awp > Zywoo
2020-02-19 08:39
worse stats, stronger weapon. Zywoo > kenny
2020-02-19 12:16
kennyS in prime > Zywoo zywoo > kennyS in the awp kennyS >< Zywoo
2020-02-19 19:38
Current zywoo top 1. Kenny never got top 1. Current zywoo 1.3 rating 2.0. Kenny never achieved 1.3 rating. Current zywoo much higher pistol round rating than Kenny ever had. Current zywoo much better rifler than Kenny ever was
2020-02-19 23:23
Thats why I said zywoo > kennyS But kennys awp > zywoo. Fucking read it not what you want to read.
2020-02-20 00:11
I read it (clearly) and I proved that zywoo is better with the AWP. Right now and at peak zywoo has better stats, more impact, and placed top 1 AS AN AWPer
2020-02-20 00:14
kennyS AWP is 100x better than Zywoos awp. Yes zywoos awp is INSANE. But HE ALSO uses the Rifle just as much, zywoo: hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/11893/ZywO.. kennyS: hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/7167/kenny.. See how kennyS uses the Awp 57% of the time and Zywoo 41%. It shows that the Rifles have a much more impact of zywoos Rating. So stop sucking Zywoos cock. I like zywoo he is the best overall player and yes zywoo is better than kennyS but kennys awp is above zywoos awp. Its facts.
2020-02-20 00:18
Just because he has more kills specifically with the AWP doesnt make him a better AWPer. Woxic and cerq are better than Kenny right now and are far behind in kills and probably rifle even less . Not that it matters AWPing is the best role for stats
2020-02-20 01:32
No it isn't and no they ain't. You're the most delusional person on this planet. You don't have to like kennyS but you don't have to be so fucking delusional. YOu don't know shit about csgo
2020-02-20 02:13
That's why they were top 20 last year and Kenny wasnt right? Such an incompetent loser, you literally lose every argument
2020-02-20 02:38
hahah +1, so retarded
2020-02-19 09:45
G2 by far
2020-02-16 16:40
#15
eraa | 
Montenegro Kladiz 
+1
2020-02-17 18:37
#16
Russia ERIA 
Vit coz zywOo :D
2020-02-17 18:38
Vit is good cause of ZywOo That's why as a team, G2>>> Vitality
2020-02-20 16:38
#20
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France Asviix 
G2 is more structured and doesn't build up only around 1 player (ZywOo) even if the Serbs God carry sometimes I think they will go far in Katowice
2020-02-17 19:07
#26
eraa | 
Montenegro Kladiz 
jaCkz is solid af Kenny obviously back in form
2020-02-17 19:11
#341
zet | 
Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
no hes not...hes average af
2020-02-21 10:20
#345
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Argentina Shuanx 
1.16 rating average ?
2020-02-21 12:16
wait for them to choke lmao
2020-02-17 19:12
#29
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France Asviix 
In their current form G2 beats Vitality 2-0 but nt
2020-02-17 19:17
#33
device | 
Denmark bebm 
g2 cant even beat a team with a coach and reject standing in for igl and star awp also they cant win a round in a 0v4 situation g0-2 is shit
2020-02-17 19:21
#35
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France Asviix 
9 Win Streak but nt Good luck in the showdown btw, hope you can make it to the finals, we're already waiting for you
2020-02-17 19:22
#37
device | 
Denmark bebm 
just like we are waiting for u to reach top 16 at the major after failing to make the playoffs how many times in a row again?
2020-02-17 19:23
#39
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France Asviix 
Sorry BLASTralis to ruin your dreams but you're getting any more majors while JaCkz, AmaNEk, huNter- and nexa are getting their first this year as well as IEM Katowice trophy
2020-02-17 19:24
#40
device | 
Denmark bebm 
nothing to do with winning majors, at least make the playoffs like vitality hasnt it been like 2 years since weve seen g2 int he championship stage?
2020-02-17 19:25
#60
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France Asviix 
We're making like the LoL team, making place of other small team te be competitive, otherwise we would win everything
2020-02-18 19:15
#44
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
lol and you lose to coL to say that lmao... what a great fan no.1 team has
2020-02-18 09:46
#53
device | 
Denmark bebm 
losing to coL in a qualifier (who also beat vitality) vs. losing to A TEAM WITH 2 STAND INS, THE 2 STAND INS WERE A REJECTED PLAYER, AND A FUCKING COACH IN PLACE OF AN IGL AND STAR AWPER IN THE GRAND FINALS that team g2 lost to prob wouldnt even be top 60 in rankings
2020-02-18 18:57
#67
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
lol astralis also lost to coL once. Does that make them worse? not really. There is a thing called off day and any team could face it. Especially when g2 did not have that much time to prepare strats and were focused on individual plays, and players couldn't perform.
2020-02-19 07:19
Off day after 55 day break vs new team with no demos to study. Off day towards end of season vs coach and stand in. 2nd one is clearly the weaker result.
2020-02-19 12:37
#142
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
nt, but just like the last 2 threads, gonna stop replying so gl mate. fight on cuz thats the only thin you can do, rather than respecting others opinion and your own. You just Seem to want everyone to follow your opinion so it's a literal waste of time to argue with someone like you.
2020-02-19 14:30
I literally stated blatant facts and you choose to call me biased. If you dont understand that teams are rusty after a break you're delusional.
2020-02-19 15:33
Your opinion has sentiments which go against facts, why would I accept them? That would be called an echo chamber. If you get mad because someone challenges your opinion you're gonna have a really hard time being successful.
2020-02-22 23:15
#420
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
4 days old lmao... and you literally made another reply for attention lol... ok
2020-02-23 07:27
Yikes you're pathetic, imagine projecting this hard, you responded to it "fOr AtTeNtIoN" hahahahahaha. Like I said, you're gonna have an impossible time being successful if you cant even deal with someone challenging you on a forum.
2020-02-23 09:00
#426
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
ok btw earning a six digit salary annually and hearing this from a 12yo is kinda funny lol, and the first advise I give to people is to avoid unnecessary arguments with people like you so I am gonna stop replying even if you continue trying to get attention kid.
2020-02-23 12:22
0/8 try to stay on topic.
2020-02-23 18:33
#180
device | 
Denmark bebm 
check his flair tho prob one of the kids saying "oh kennyS goat awper cuz flick shots" ZywOo putting up better numbers with nerfed awp, and winning events with equally shit teammates as kenny with titan, but titan kenny won jack shit zywoo is the goat french player
2020-02-19 18:56
He has the highest peak clearly. Imo GOAT involves achievements like tournaments, often majors, but hes on track to be it.
2020-02-20 16:40
Yea, and device can't beat Complexity
2020-02-19 08:40
#178
device | 
Denmark bebm 
complexity > mouz -karrigan -woxic +rejin +nato
2020-02-19 18:54
+1
2020-02-19 19:39
#216
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Europe Axell6996 
Sorry for losing against complexity and navi
2020-02-20 01:06
vitality isn't build around a player. If you call that build then it is same in G2. To be fair ZywOo is entry most of times so it seems like that but imagine calling entries as being build around. kennyS is same. ZywOo and kennyS are kind of similar in a sense atm.
2020-02-17 19:18
#31
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France Asviix 
LMAO Imagine thinking Vitality is not entierly built around ZywOo after 2020 dude be literally carrying 4 bots who sometimes show up in one map Every player in G2 can top frag, I've never seen RpK or shox or apEX top frag recently
2020-02-17 19:19
lol are you dumb? Being unable to frag isn't same. ZywOo is given cover but so is device,kennyS,etc given. He is provided with flashes cuz he can open up sites with his rifling abilities. Literally how is that being build around a person. Its just that Vitality are heavily reliant on him. Build around is like s1mple in Na'vi or cold in mibr are real definition of building around a player. He could bait whole team to get frags. I mean they're build in a sense but every team builds around its AWPer ofc.
2020-02-17 19:23
#38
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France Asviix 
Vitality literally flashes ZywOo in so he can entry and frags because his teammates can't do shit He would literally do better with 4 spares lives as bots than with Vitality
2020-02-17 19:23
Wtf. Build around means you can bait all your teammates or play wherever you want or how you're comfortable. I recon the thing but Vitality aren't build around ZywOo. They just try to give him as much support as they can and ZywOo does same from his side. Like trading frags if they can't win fights or flashing on CT side or giving cover for pushes,etc. He isn't free like s1mple or cold to be called as team is build around him.
2020-02-17 19:26
Agree. Most people dont know shit about cs here. Alex is doing so much for the team such as every other player in the team. Apex utility usage is exceptional (most successful flashes over the last year).
2020-02-19 08:41
+1
2020-02-22 20:24
kappkennyS I have respect towards you. But you're completely Wrong. Vitality is built around zywoo and has no structure, if Zywoo doesn't perform Vitality is most likely going to lose. In G2 if kenny or Hunter doesn't perform or both they can still win. as Nexa AmeNEK and Jackzz has the ability to carry.
2020-02-19 08:42
thats called dependence not build around I guess
2020-02-19 09:38
Alex has brought a lot of structure into Vitality, and before shox joined it showed. Shox just has to learn how to shut the fuck up and let someone else igl.
2020-02-19 09:49
The structure is setting zywoo (and shox but hes underperforming) up for success. The trade stats and flash assists support that
2020-02-19 12:13
The structure is zywoo go kill
2020-02-19 19:37
Which is very detailed and structured in the way they position and set him up on late round executes. Also they're very good at creating openings and mixing in aggression
2020-02-19 23:22
its zywoo go kill. nothing else needed to say
2020-02-20 00:10
Not when your brain is as small as yours
2020-02-20 00:12
Says the one that is delusional
2020-02-20 00:13
Says the one who has no idea about tactics or teamplay
2020-02-20 01:33
You literally think Vitality has a more structured/team play than G2. Delusional much
2020-02-20 02:14
How else would they be a better team with less overall skill? Clearly through teamplay and tactics. G2 doesn't even have proper comms yet how can they have more structure. Vitality have a way deeper playbook, more strats, setups, better nade damage and flash assists and better trade stats.
2020-02-20 02:40
#342
zet | 
Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
youre stupid af
2020-02-21 10:24
No. Its obvious that G2 has more structure than vitality.
2020-02-21 21:31
Already proved this wrong in #92 and right above. Get some actual arguments instead of repeating the same dumb shit
2020-02-22 20:27
I've already proved you wrong in every arguement. But your delusional ass is too stupid to realise the facts. Now go back to your cave.
2020-02-22 21:28
Nope you havent. You just repeat "G2 is better" with nothing to support it. Cya pizza face fanboy.
2020-02-22 22:44
What has Vitality done? oh thats right. Go to Blast ShowDown. What has G2 done? Go 3-0 and going to Moscow. Its obvious G2 has a better structure than Vitality
2020-02-22 22:47
Using 1 tournament as your sample size I knew you were dumb. So Navi and Faze have more structure than Astralis? Imagine thinking a single placing determines who has better structure. CoL > Astralis btw hahahaha Rankings dont determine structure you have to actually watch the matches and see how the team plays. A team with better structure can lose if the individuals dont show up. Old Ence had excellent structure but no elite players (cept MYABE sergej) so often when they lost it was due to individual aspects not structure.
2020-02-22 22:58
Yea, I do watch the games. and G2 showed better matches. and Btw it shows that G2 has a better chance to win a 4v5
2020-02-22 23:29
So you think CoL > Astralis? Cool, you're deluisonal. If not then you admit you're biased towards G2 and are only looking at their good results instead if the entire picture.
2020-02-22 23:41
Having more talent doesnt mean theyre more strucuted. Overall they have more players who can step up but Vitality has better setups and nades
2020-02-19 12:14
0/8
2020-02-20 00:10
Lmk when you have an actual argument and can talk without Kenny's balls on your chin
2020-02-20 00:13
Says the one that Can't Read. I obviously said zywoo is better than kennyS. But kennyS awp is better. (atm) G2s smokes and nades is much better than Vitality.
2020-02-20 00:14
Its not Zywoo pops off with the AWP way more
2020-02-20 01:33
No he doesn't
2020-02-20 02:13
Stats say otherwise
2020-02-20 02:38
Vitality trade better, have more flash assists, do more utility damage per round and win more both in 5v4s and 4v5s than G2 statistically vs top 10 teams. Yet you keep spouting that G2 have better structure?? Nope they have more individual skill, that's it. Spunj even said that their comms were "the weakest of the teams here" at Blast. hltv.org/stats/teams/ftu?startDate=2019-..
2020-02-22 23:07
But did, Vitality make it to Moscow? I don't see Vitality coming first or third. hltv.org/events/5138/blast-premier-sprin.. And why does G2 have better stats in that chart you showed me?
2020-02-22 23:27
We don't know who all is at Moscow now. Vitality and Astralis can still qualify and outplace G2 and you're basing your entire ranking on 1 tournament because you're a biased dweeb. So you think Navi is better than Astralis? They dont, but I'm sure that's how your delusional brain sees it. Vitality are ahead in 5v4, trades, FA, and utility. G2 is one of the weakest teams with effective nades. They win off of individual brilliance.
2020-02-22 23:41
wtf G2 have better entry,better AWPer, better support,better lurk. But Vitality has ZywOo. Kind of equal to be fair. Just wait when ZywOo comes back. Maybe we can expect a close series but still combination of Vitality's team play, alex's better IGLing and god ZywOo can win them over G2
2020-02-17 19:16
Rpk > amanek Shox < hunter Zywoo > kenny Alex = Nexa Apex = Jackz Map pool vitality Comms Vitality Teamplay Vitality G2 can win by outskiliing them that's about it.
2020-02-20 02:44
g2 lol
2020-02-17 19:22
#43
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
cant say until they play each other, probably in katowice
2020-02-18 09:45
#45
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Hungary EZ4WINLANDIA 
Vitality ofc, but g2s line-up is newer. They have tons of potential, but they haven't shown much yet. Vitality has already won events
2020-02-18 09:47
I would be very happy to support a team that shown nothing but still is on a 10 winstreak and showing that much potential... Will be great when they will start showing something
2020-02-20 16:41
#290
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Hungary EZ4WINLANDIA 
they've literally beaten one top10 team. They're nowhere near vitality yet.
2020-02-20 18:53
hard to say who is better at this very moment. we didnt have enough matches after the break so it would be just a guess imo... vitality was without a doubt better last year overall and even before players break but overall g2 has bigger potential. they need imo more time bcs of english(especially jackz) but damn they can be rly good. nexa is decent igl and also good player individually, hunter is just hunter, jackz as an entry is also good and kennys is better and better(and with better team play and comms his performance will be even better in the future imo). the only "weak" link is amanek but he is in shitty positions tho and can help with calls. imo g2 will be better in 2020 than vitality
2020-02-18 09:53
Finally something I can agree on.
2020-02-19 08:43
its for the second time haha:D
2020-02-19 11:38
is it!
2020-02-19 19:37
#48
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Australia forsaken_exe 
G2 > Vitality. Much more well rounded team, arguably could beat Vitality in current form. Very underrated team IMO. Plus KennyS POG.
2020-02-18 09:55
#51
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France RAINIZK 
g2 Alex dickhead ,zywho? ,apex retarded, rpk le fat .shox looks like a box ,coach Voldemort
2020-02-18 18:50
#136
eraa | 
Montenegro Kladiz 
Voldemort MDR
2020-02-19 14:25
Nice fakeflag
2020-02-23 09:30
#413
mika | 
Spain VIKTORAL 
lmao dreamteam
2020-02-22 23:58
Vitality.. undebatable
2020-02-18 18:56
#135
eraa | 
Montenegro Kladiz 
flair
2020-02-19 14:24
G2 atw
2020-02-18 18:59
#55
nEGRo | 
Nigeria Sealkead 
G2 4 sure
2020-02-18 19:01
#56
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Hungary G2_top_3_soon 
Zywoo > Kenny sadly( mens(((( HuNter > shox sadly((( Amanek > RPK Nexa > ALEX ( firepower and strats too) Jackz > apex
2020-02-18 19:03
#57
eraa | 
Montenegro Kladiz 
atm huNter >>>> shox, let's just be serious Zywoo >> kenny
2020-02-18 19:03
#62
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Hungary G2_top_3_soon 
Not really as an AWPer even = Zywoo is a more complete player thats why > Jackz>>>>>apex Nexa>>>>Alex amanek>>rpk
2020-02-18 19:18
As an AWPer zywoo has 1.3 while kenny is 1.12.............
2020-02-19 12:11
#58
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India illumination 
both are shit now, but zy who is numba juan.
2020-02-18 19:11
Vitality = Zywoo go kill & RPK go clutch G2 = everyone doing their job equally
2020-02-18 19:18
And somehow Vitality consistently places higher. Also Alex was the 2nd highest rated at Epicenter easy EVP for him.
2020-02-22 20:32
#63
f0rest | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina veasih 
G2 vs ZywOo & RpK. G2 wins.
2020-02-18 19:21
#68
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Canada Kenny2k_ 
G2 for sure atm, they are more structured like everyone above me has said and kenny has been getting into form again. Also that boot camp rly helped them from what we've seen
2020-02-19 08:25
Theyre more structured than before but not more than Vitality who play super structured to set up zywoo
2020-02-19 12:12
#254
f0rest | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina veasih 
+1
2020-02-20 15:46
G2 no doubt
2020-02-19 08:26
#70
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Romania Summerparty23 
On the basis of how they played at blast G2 is the best french team atm
2020-02-19 08:27
Vita
2020-02-19 09:47
#88
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Germany X5ander 
Vita
2020-02-19 11:59
#89
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United Kingdom whatacliche 
G2. ZywOo hard carries Vitality.
2020-02-19 12:02
To being a better team than G2.
2020-02-23 00:05
G2 look more consistent right now Problem in Vitality is that individual inconsistency really plagues them
2020-02-19 12:07
G2 by a country mile. 5 solid fraggers > 1 solid fragger
2020-02-19 12:15
Then you factor in strats. map pool, comms, and teamplay and realize G2 is still a bit behind. Aim isnt everything
2020-02-19 12:17
G2 really hasnt had much time to go through strats thoroughly, they had their first bootcamp in January. G2 is expanding their map pool quite a bit, at first the only map they could play was Dust 2, now they can play D2 and Vertigo to a high level and they also play mirage, inferno and nuke to a goodish level. Obviously comms are a shit show because Amanek and kennyS have had to switch to English, and JaCkz has had to learn English and speak it in game. Teamplay is kinda equal rn between Vita and G2. But G2's aim is >>>>>>>>>>>>> Vitalitys aim, I genuinely think G2 could beat Vitality just by aim in a BO3
2020-02-19 12:26
If you think any team can win off aim purely in tier 1 you're delusional. They could barely out aim Ence when they had less structure and Vitality is way more advanced than current ence tactically. Vitality has the veto advantage and better teamplay while G2 has the chance of multiple players popping off. It should be close but Vitality have more advantages
2020-02-19 12:28
You completly negleting the fact that even if they have the greatest playbook and their comms are so nice, vitality is actually just actually ZywOo and RpK... So when RpK will have an off game, and he will get some, there is absolutly no one in the team besides ZywOo. The problem to estimate Vitality real form is that ZywOo is so good that the team looks alot better than they actually are. And seeing G2 latest performances, even if their comms and strats aren't that good, they did show a really high level of CS, on many different maps.
2020-02-20 16:46
Alex shows up pretty consistently now that he is the sole leader and got an EVP at epicenter, one of 5 IGLs to get one last year. Rpk isn't supposed to be a fragger and if shox just steps up a little bit on their T sides their gameplan would be complete. Alex does his job, rpk does his job, zywoo does 2 peoples jobs, if apex or shox are on (and they clearly have the skill to do so it's their decision making that needs to be refined) then Vitality can win matches vs everyone. G2 on the other hand needs their players to outperform the opponents to win. They havent shown they can win off of tactical prowess or reads or counters. Nor have they shown that they can adapt yet seeing as the lineup is new. People always forget this. When a team is new they change roles and positions and develop new stats and ideas that only they know that they're doing. Once teams have demos to study on them it becomes a lot harder because teams know your tendencies. Vitality has been elite for almost a year now. G2 struggled to stay in the top 10 last year and had their "best" performance after a 55 day player break, they have more to prove if they want to be in the title contender bracket. Right now they're solid but have a lot to fix still and have to deal with teams adapting to their playstyle which can be super tough for young IGLs/teams. Just look at Navi some maps, you can see boombl4s inexperience calling some matches because teams figure them out and theres no plan B
2020-02-20 16:58
Also keep in mind that G2 had a group with 2 teams that did not make changes recently meaning they had way more demos to study and prepare with and a completely new core that is going to take time to develop. They had the upperhand in that group in terms of preparation, if they can continue it when teams study them then we can talk.
2020-02-20 17:00
DO you even realize that G2 > Vitality RN Elowise ? That tells the real story about their current form. And Wtf are you speaking of ? OG is a team that formed in december of last year. They allmost never played any official match before the 2 they played against G2 and got rekt.
2020-02-20 17:26
Wow you're dumb. First of all Vitality 7th (402) G2 8th (311) Exactly? OG formed in December exactly they need time to develop especially with an international tactically based team. They're gonna take til mid year to be at full strength. The other 2 were clearly rusty. 100t always puts up a fight usually has 3 map series and EG lost to OG twice, obviously not full strength
2020-02-20 17:53
Read again... Elo-wise... And VItality even lost to coL, which is barely top30, dont know what more you need.... While G2 have beaten #10 and #17 And i support VItality but thruth is, G2 are actually in a better form than Vitality
2020-02-20 22:36
What elo? Where's the measurement or leaderboards for that? Astralis lost to CoL too. Guess G2 are better than them too right? Only reason CoL werent top 30 is because they literally just formed. Most are questioning whether they can be top 10 or not. Form after a 55 day break means very little. Why cant your little brain grasp that teams are rusty?
2020-02-20 22:48
gosugamers.net/counterstrike/rankings ELO is the perfect measurement of actual form, not like HLTV ranking, which also use old results... And it even have rating decay for inactivity periods, like end of a year. And On this measurement, Vitality lost allmost 100 points while G2 won more than that.
2020-02-20 22:51
Gosugamers lmfao yes G2 is top 3 and forze is better than EG Also fnatic isnt even top 50. Very legitimate ranking for sure. Order top 15 too and tricked top 10. Bitch please.
2020-02-20 23:54
You surely understand how ELO ranking works... Man, if you Can read i Can nothing for you. Everyone says "actually" or "in actual form" si yes, if we speak about actual form, ELO is the main ranking for it, and there is no way to Say that en, vitality is better. HLTV rankings is based on some really old results (3 monthes) which is really irrelevant at the begining of a Season. Especially when G2 bootcamped and is showing that its paying of, mainly mapool wise. On the other hand, vitality had results at the end of last year, sure, but their level is far off since the begining of 2020.
2020-02-21 09:57
"Their level" we dont know any teams level yet. That was the first tournament of the year and a GROUP STAGE. Get that thru your head. G2 arent better because of 1 group stage when they had weaker results all last year. The fact that your telling me that a ranking that doesnt even incluelde fnatic is the best ranking is ridiculous. So you're telling me fnatic isnt even a top 50 team? You know there's a reason tournament organizers use HLTV ranking to determine invites. Because past results anf tournaments do matter. After 3 months tournaments drop off heavily if you didnt know. If we used your logic tricked and forze would be at Katowice instead of fnatic and EG
2020-02-21 10:07
And you speak about G2 winning against OG which just formed and it doesnt mean anything while Vitality loosing to a team which just formed is the perfect excuse ? Dont speak of little brain man, youre ridiculous just for that. Youre just a fucking fanboy
2020-02-20 22:55
Og = tactically based. CoL = fraggers. CoL will take longer to develop. It does mean something. Just not much. It's only the group stage after all. Vitality could still qualify and place higher than G2. You're the fanboy only looking at one tournament and a fucking GROUP STAGE at that, instead of the entire picture.
2020-02-20 23:56
So you saying that Vitality is better despite loosing to a less developped team than G2 Which won against a more developped team ? Nice Logic here
2020-02-21 09:59
No G2 clearly had the better result. But blast GROUL STAGE doesn't define the entire CS ranking there are a bunch of other tournaments if you didnt realize.
2020-02-21 10:03
g2 more balanced zywoo > g2, but g2 > other 4 players of vitality
2020-02-19 12:20
In aim, not in coordination comms or teamplay
2020-02-19 12:32
probably yes, but i cant say with 100% confidence, because i dont watch g2 and vitality games
2020-02-19 12:38
and you still decided to give your opinion LUL
2020-02-19 12:39
i'm saying that individually g2 players better than everybody but zywoo, but i don't know about their teamplay
2020-02-19 13:28
Yawn
2020-02-19 15:32
#108
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Argentina yoKex 
whoever can press their keys faster, its a game about lucky timing, thats all :o
2020-02-19 12:27
i dunno but jackz and hunter are insane
2020-02-19 12:41
#127
ZywOo | 
Singapore Blloopy 
Depends. G2 compared to Vitality definitely has more potential. kennyS in BLAST looked phenomenal, Hunter looked good, Nexa has plenty of great calls during that tournament, JaCkz while inconsistent due to his role in the team can pop off hard in some games and Amanek is the clutch factor for the team, although you can also say he is the weakest player mechanically. The only problem is the comms, although you can assume it will get better later on as the french players get better at speaking english. Once G2 get their shit rolling, they can definitely contest for top 3. Vitality as we know is heavily reliant on ZywOo, but their teamplay and strats are definitely more refined than G2, which is expected because they were together for over a year as of now. To me, they are already pushing the limits of what they are able to do and achieve, unless apEX roll back to 2015 apEX, RpK becomes Le Tank, and Shox goes 2013 again, and ALEX does his job. If this is what Vitality becomes later on in the year, they will definitely contest for the no.1 spot against Astralis. Hell, you don't even need the 4 players to play extremely good. As long as they get the frags they should get and carry their own weight, Vitality can be a top tier team.
2020-02-19 12:53
#130
JaCkz | 
France Bubuche 
tbh idk because both didn't confirm anything 2020 will tell us and if there is a Vit vs G2 today i think both could win
2020-02-19 13:33
kennys zywoo jackz amanek/kioshima lucky
2020-02-19 14:27
#140
eraa | 
Montenegro Kladiz 
0/8
2020-02-19 14:27
wtf mens why
2020-02-19 14:27
#160
eraa | 
Montenegro Kladiz 
yes
2020-02-19 15:56
0/8
2020-02-20 00:59
No IGL, Kio, and Lucky lmfao where even is he??
2020-02-22 23:33
kio and amanek can igl, and lucky was doing good on g2 when they took him off of support
2020-02-23 00:15
Kio has never shown he can IGL he did it for like 2 tournaments and the team looked the same. Just because you've tried something doesnt mean you can do it at a tier 1 level, there's a huge difference. Amanek wouldnt have let up the IGL role if he was doing it at a tier 1 level. Right now its questionable if hes even a tier 1 fragger. And Lucky on a tier 1 team is a joke, Lucky doing good doesnt win you games vs teams that have s1mple and Elige.
2020-02-23 03:05
g2 looks stronk
2020-02-19 15:17
#145
eraa | 
Montenegro Kladiz 
g2 gods
2020-02-19 15:18
Even it might be still too early in 2020, G2 has been looking better than Vitality as a team so far.
2020-02-19 17:11
Who has the best ATM and why? Vitality has the best ATM(a machine that dispenses cash or performs other banking services when an account holder inserts a bank card). Well it's simply because Vitality has received €20M investment from Tej Kohli(official knews, the amount might be bigger) :)
2020-02-19 17:14
#173
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India csgo_veteran 
G2 in current state. As long as Vitality hold on to Apex there is no hope. All others except for Zywoo are a bit iffy but Apex in a top team is just preposterous. G2 are weak too don't get me wrong but I see them improving with time as Jackz Nexa Huntr have really solid potential. But I don't see Vitality winning anything meaningful unless Zywoo goes god mod every map.
2020-02-19 18:20
#179
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Brazil Roufas 
Better, not sure, more fun to watch? Vitality for sure.
2020-02-19 18:55
#181
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Spain akproxx 
g2 not french so g2
2020-02-19 18:56
Tense1983 only in spanish scene
2020-02-23 09:32
#182
s1mple | 
Ukraine YUR4S 
NAVI
2020-02-19 18:56
G2 for sure. Vitality is just ZywOo ZywOo > kennyS ALEX < nexa apEX < JaCkz RpK < AmanEK shox < huNter
2020-02-19 23:35
Alex = nexa both have advanatges Amanek is the weakest out of all 10 and apex and jackz are literally day to day. Both inconsistent entries.
2020-02-20 02:44
disagree, nexa is a much better fragger
2020-02-20 02:55
And alex is a better mid round caller, tactician, support. Amazing utility usage and positioning.
2020-02-20 03:10
Bro chill. I literally wasted my time to count and you actually have more than fuckin one fifth of all posts on this topic. 51/241. Lay off of Vitality and Zywoo's dick.
2020-02-20 08:38
Because I actually have something to provide to the conversation. You on the other hand are pathetic and cant even stay on topic. Grow up its just a conversation you dont have to be involved, you werent even the recipient in the first place, do you really need attention that bad?
2020-02-20 16:37
You actually are an insecure man child that can't grow up who isn't providing anything to this topic. You're just posting the same bullshit fuckin 50 times. "eh vitality more structured to set up zywoo" blah blah shut the fuck up. Try to form a different opinion. That's how conversations work you bounce thought and opinions off of each other not just forcing the same fucking opinion over and over again. Seems like you need to grow up.
2020-02-21 00:22
You're not bouncing any opinions. You havent provided anything of value to the conversation. Calling me insecure or a manchild or saying stfu arent arguments. They're just you being a mad dweeb which is all that youve shown you're capable of doing so far in this thread. Why would I form a different opinion if I believe my opinion to be true and no one can give proper counterarguments?? If you have arguments as to how G2 are more tactical and play better together I'd love to hear them. Otherwise I'm going to base my opinions around what I see and the statistical information available to me which both point to Vitality having better team aspects.
2020-02-21 00:51
So please bounce something off of me instead of projecting. Because I'd love to have a proper discussion about the teams strengths and weaknesses.
2020-02-21 01:18
It's useless to bounce anything off of a wall that wont give me anything back in return. Last reply cause I'm sick of wasting time.
2020-02-21 02:05
I just gave you the chance to give me something so I could give you something back. You are the wall of unacceptance, not me. You're the one choosing to make this hate-fueled instead of a discussion. Once more, please GROW UP. Goodbye.
2020-02-21 02:19
Zywoo = KennyS ( KennyS awp is much stronger atm ) ALEX =< nexa apEX(omegalol) <<<<<<<<<< JaCkz RpK < AmanEK ( although RpK plays incredible from time to time ) shox <<< huNter
2020-02-20 03:14
Zywoos AWP is untouchable lol. Hes on a different level than everyone besides s1mple. Alex calls better than nexa. Rpk = amanek
2020-02-20 16:36
Vitality obviously!! ZyWoo, Alex, RpK and Shox >>>>>> all G2 players
2020-02-20 01:36
#255
eraa | 
Montenegro Kladiz 
LULLL
2020-02-20 16:29
#233
ropz | 
Canada Bucket0 
i like g2 more, and i feel like they can beat better teams, but they can lose to anyone. for that reason i think vitality is better
2020-02-20 02:56
#240
BnTeT | 
Indonesia lukerey 
G2 will always better than Vitality this year.
2020-02-20 05:38
G2 better imo
2020-02-20 05:41
G2 better but maybw zywho can rekt g2
2020-02-20 08:47
Do not forget about the french derby effect !!
2020-02-20 17:28
So???
2020-02-20 18:11
When they face, thé worst team allmost allways win
2020-02-21 10:00
Imagine being this delusional
2020-02-21 10:14
Man you must have 0 knowledge of french scene then
2020-02-21 16:30
It's one of the most interesting scenes
2020-02-21 16:48
Even if that were true its just coincidental. You're just trying to give yourself an insurance policy.
2020-02-21 16:59
Lol ok. You should just Know that historically, since 2013, when 2 french teams faced thé favorite allmost allways Lost. Doesnt giving me anything, its just what happened
2020-02-21 20:48
Vitality won at charleroi.
2020-02-22 12:24
That's why i said allmost allways.... Man seriously, just stop it's embarrassing
2020-02-22 17:23
Oh right it's almost always so you have an out to support your delusional unprovable claim. You're an idiot lol. The amount of contradictions and stupidity you post is unreal.
2020-02-22 20:17
I can't tell you anything else than : just review all the matches, you'll see by yourself...
2020-02-22 22:09
Exactly "all the matches" not just the matches from this year. Lmk when G2 wins a big event.
2020-02-22 22:45
95% of these comments are pure recency bias. Same as people hyping faze after Liquid wins. Teams were rusty and unprepared the level of CS at blast wasnt that high, stop acting like it's a measurement for the rest of the season
2020-02-20 16:39
And Vitality Lost to an unprepared, just formed team... And they are better. Dont you think that tour Logic is kinda flawed ?
2020-02-21 10:01
Cept CoL wasnt rusty because they just formed and had demos to prepare with. No demos on CoL. CoL didnt need a break.
2020-02-21 10:03
Ok if course... Same as OG in fact... And G2 won and not Vitality. And its not even thé problèm Just look CS level. RN, G2 is far better than Vitality. Only thing avoiding Vitality to slump hard is Zywoo
2020-02-21 10:05
CoL looks better than OG tho, they beat Astralis 2-0 as well. Far better based on your biased opinion. G2 had one decent group stage, that's it. Katowice is in 4 days which is what every team has been prepping for so let's wait. If G2 are better then they will outplace. Right now it's quite close you can argue that they're equal but theres no argument for G2 being better yet.
2020-02-21 10:10
Outplacing doesnt mean they are better at all lol It dépends of opponents, if they face, etc...
2020-02-21 16:38
So who have G2 beaten that's more impressive than Vitality beating mouz and Navi?
2020-02-21 17:00
Also if I consistently outplace you it does mean I'm better. The common goal for teams is to place high/win the biggest events. If I'm better than you at that then I'm the better team. Which Vitality consistently does vs G2.
2020-02-22 20:19
so hard to make a choice as a french lmao i love G2 they seem more explosive and versatile, but also love Vitality for Zyzoo and because they play more old fashioned way
2020-02-20 16:56
Why not both mens)))
2020-02-20 17:28
G2
2020-02-20 17:01
#282
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United States big_brain 
zywoo > g2
2020-02-20 17:15
Best way to summarize : zywoo > g2 > Vitality
2020-02-20 17:29
#296
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North America Molnar42069 
Vitality
2020-02-20 21:34
G2> Vitality Vitality is tier 2 team
2020-02-20 22:42
#312
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Portugal joaosenra 
i can agree with that but if g2 play against vitality u will see a man rekt and smurffing on the server and will not be kennys or hunter to save them
2020-02-21 02:17
G2 is the one losing to Tyloo and C9
2020-02-21 02:46
4 monthes ago... Nice, relevant fact here
2020-02-21 10:06
So the only tournament I can look at is Blast? So Navi and Faze are favorites at Katowice in your opinion? They had the best results at Blast after all.
2020-02-21 10:12
You just dont want to understand what every one is saying here. Yes overall Vitality got better results and is better team. But in their current forms G2 is far ahead of them for thé first 2 monthes of thé year. No one said it will be the same all year or forever but it's just the thruth of today. Not to mention that you spam this thread with every single Bad results if G2 neglecting all the Bad results of Vitality (read #347 for exemple, and thé loss to coL) So please at least, have thé decency to not call every one dellusional. Because as you perhaps didn't notice, i Say that G2 is better RN and I'm a Vitality fanboy
2020-02-21 16:36
Because you're basing your opinion of the results at 1 group stage. All you're saying is that G2 did better at Blast group stage than Vitality. That doesnt make them the better team or stronger.
2020-02-21 17:01
No i base my opinion on 2 monthes of matches, and more importantly on what both teams shown those last weeks. And.based on that, G2 had clearly made a better impression for anyone but you
2020-02-21 20:46
I already acknowledged they have the better result. You just admitted that all your basing your opinions on are 2 tournaments so your opinion means nothing. That means you have Navi and Faze as Katowice favorites lol.
2020-02-22 12:24
Its 2 monthes and more than 10 maps... And its not about results, its about CS quality
2020-02-22 17:22
Vitality havent even played 10 maps this year and that's still A very small sample size. Some of the top teams havent even played a tournament yet, so where would you rank a team like fnatic if you're only going off of this year? They're easily top 8. If it's about CS quality then you have Faze as favorites right? They showed the best CS at blast vs the best opponents.
2020-02-22 20:15
That's exactly why there is a team in a good form, and performing well, and people are saying that right now, it's better than the other... If you can't understand that, my god you are so stupid. And yes, FaZe, based on actual form, is a legitimate favorite for Katowice.
2020-02-22 22:10
That's because HLTV has extreme recency bias. If you think Faze are a top 3 Katowice favorite you're showing pretty insane levels of recency bias as well. So thanks for admitting you're biased. Goodbye
2020-02-22 22:46
Not to mention : G2 : 76% winrate past 3 monthes, 9 winstreak Vitality : 0 winstreak 71% winrate with 1 tournament win past 3 monthes I let you do the math And i dont even speak of thé level of play
2020-02-21 16:44
G2 attended a tier 3 tournament where they faced spirit in the final. Vitality actually won a Big Event, facing Mouz in the Final. Pretty clear which one is more impressive when you use context.
2020-02-21 17:06
Vitality lost to Syman ...
2020-02-21 14:49
Bo1. G2 got 2-0 by Tyloo and 16-6d on inferno by ATK/C9. Both are inconsistent so you cant use it as a point for either team. Guess who ended up placing higher at that major and has a major spot? Vitality.
2020-02-21 17:06
ATK is good team And bo1 is easier than bo3
2020-02-21 17:22
Dont argue with him He is just si biased its not even human
2020-02-21 20:44
Delusional
2020-02-22 12:20
Dont see how i can be delusional saying that G2 is better as a Vitality fan You on the other hand... That's the big problem to judge teams with players like s1mple or ZywOo.... Those teams aren't as good as they seems because they got good results cause of one player carrying.
2020-02-22 17:25
That's irrelevant zywoo is part of the team whatever he does is part of Vitality, they chose to go after him, they pay him. Who carries or how balanced the team is is irrelevant. If Vitality face G2 zywoo WILL be in the server. You cant just discount their success because 1 player is strong. You're delusional because you admit your reasoning is only based on tournaments that happened this year and are completely disregarding 2019. That means you don't even have Astralis as a top team, that is indeed delusional.
2020-02-22 20:11
Are you fucking stupid or what ? A tournament which happend 3 monthes ago, before a break, before all teams bootcamped, mean ABSOLUTLY nothing of the real state of any team TODAY. If you can't understand that seriously,... You speak about Tyloo and C9 losses, but it's totally irrelevant for their state today. They had to work on their communication, new lead, new maps, new starts and so on... Which they did and their matches lately shown they progressed. That's why you should understand that it means nothing on the real state of both teams TODAY. And once again, because you're fucking stupid if you don't understand: I'm a Vitality fan, and I'm able to aknowledge that they are actually not playing better than G2.
2020-02-22 22:17
And you think the 1st group stage after the break determines the rankings. You can say youre unbiased whatever but you're delusional and ignorant as fuck as to how rankings and favorites work. If you believe that then you believe Faze is a favorite over Astralis which is incredibly stupid. sports.betway.com/en/sports/evt/5294328 Vitality is still easily favored over G2 to win Katowice so you cant say that more people think G2 looks better and are super dumb if you think Faze or Navi should be favorites over Astralis.
2020-02-22 22:54
No you were able to acknowledge that G2 performed better at 1 tournament (group stage too) than Vitality and your recency bias causes you to make the correlation that G2 are overall better right now which simply isnt true. Odds support it.
2020-02-22 23:11
This will age so well....
2020-02-26 19:36
Theres nothing to age, Its not a prediction its statement about the current ratings and favorites. When new information is presented you change your opinion. If the sentiment was that Vitality will be better throughout 2020 then it could "age poorly" but thats not my premise. My premise is that going into Katwoice Vitality are still favored over G2 despite the differences in performances at Blast.
2020-02-26 19:53
You said blablabla results, blablabla tournament finishes... Not only Vitality will have bad result and bad finish, but man, have you at least watched G2's game ? Is it that hard to aknowledge that they played great CS ?
2020-02-26 19:54
I never said they werent
2020-02-26 19:55
LUL nt
2020-02-26 19:55
"No G2 clearly had the better result. But blast GROUP STAGE doesn't define the entire CS ranking there are a bunch of other tournaments if you didnt realize."
2020-02-26 19:56
My argument is exactly that it's not a ranking or a result thing. IT's the level and the quality of CS which matters to be the better team. And clearly you didnt agree with that but guess what, hen you play well, you win and have good results.
2020-02-26 19:58
Yes and weve yet to see G2 have better results at big tournaments besides Blast. After Katowice this will be a much more cut and dry argument. High quality of CS = wins = higher placements = higher ranking Your argument is speculating that G2 will play better and have a better result and if they do they will likely surpass Vitality in the rankings as theyre quite close. I dont agree that having a higher quality of CS = being the better team? Thats literally like disagreeing that x=x. Stupid af. Im saying G2 havent shown yet that they can consistently place higher than Vitality. Have fun with your gosugamers rankings :)
2020-02-26 20:06
Exactly? Vitality lost a bo1 to a top 30 teams. G2 lost 2 bo3s to top 30 teams. Which side are you even arguing for.
2020-02-22 12:20
And bo1 is easier than bo3
2020-02-22 12:33
Not easier more random, better chance of upsets. That's why Blasts were so random.
2020-02-22 12:41
No, if you good team you won`t lose to tier 3 team in bo1 8:16
2020-02-22 12:47
Better chance than losing to tyloo in bo3. Just check bo3 odds vs bo1 odds. Bo3 odds will always lean towards the favorite more. The sample size is larger so the better team comes out on top more often. Dont talk about what you dont know.
2020-02-22 20:06
i know about bo 1 and bo3. bo1 is easier
2020-02-22 21:35
You've proven you dont. It's more random. Odds support it. Goodbye.
2020-02-22 22:45
bo 1 is easier
2020-02-22 23:00
Easier as the underdog cause you only have to win 1 map yes. More random for the favorite.
2020-02-22 23:08
no
2020-02-22 23:51
Thanks for conceding :)
2020-02-22 23:56
nice
2020-02-22 23:59
Thanks for conceding :)
2020-02-23 00:03
#303
s1mple | 
Europe F4ast 
G2
2020-02-20 22:57
#307
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Japan chanse 
you mean G2 or Zywoo?
2020-02-21 00:26
#311
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Portugal joaosenra 
G2 ITS MORE TEAM and better as a team and individually but if G2 clash against VITALITY ZYWOO will carry allone and absolute destroy g2... yeah g2 its better on paper but vitality should win in a bot 3 all night long i think
2020-02-21 02:16
#314
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Portugal joaosenra 
G2 vs Vitality will be allways vitality just because ZywOo nothing more, individually and as a g2 team they are better, when you have a guy who alone seems to be doing smurf with tier 1 players, you have few chances
2020-02-21 02:20
You ignore how much Vitality do to assist him and how well they work together to compensate the lesser skilled individuals. They also are pretty deep tactically and adapt well.
2020-02-21 02:46
#346
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Portugal joaosenra 
i know that i did not tell all the things that makes vitality win in 1v1 against g2, but the most important is zywoo but yes u have right
2020-02-21 14:46
I could say the same thing about Hunter tbh. Before the serbians joined they were noticeably weaker.
2020-02-22 23:30
#319
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Netherlands arTvamp 
G2 will be better this year.
2020-02-21 03:08
#321
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Other serene 
g2
2020-02-21 03:38
#322
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Europe tos1k 
g2-0 ofc
2020-02-21 05:30
#323
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Serbia SplitteR96 
Zywoo is singlehandendly carrying this vitality's team, w/o him that team is bellow average in t1 could also be considered t2 at that point.
2020-02-21 05:38
But they have him so... Not to mention Alex is a way better caller than nexa. Not like Apex and shox are bad either theyre just underperforming, the skill is there.
2020-02-21 09:47
#324
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United States Dinn_ 
G2 (not biased)
2020-02-21 05:39
Zywoo + Bots if Zywoo has a Zywoo game
2020-02-21 09:48
G2 play 5v5, Zywoo plays 1v5. So G2
2020-02-22 12:24
And yet Vitality consistently places higher
2020-02-22 20:33
cause zywoo is god, cause g2 played only 3 matches
2020-02-23 11:33
"Consistently"
2020-02-23 19:14
#399
JazzPimp | 
United States dusq 
vitality because zywoo
2020-02-22 22:58
#424
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United States big_brain 
zywoo claps em
2020-02-23 09:40
LDLC
2020-02-23 18:38
#437
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Argentina nymeros 
vitality have apEX so... g2. But wait until JaCkz arrives
2020-02-25 01:35
VERTEX
2.62
Rooster
1.47
Dignitas
3.02
Orgless
1.35
100 Thieves
1.60
FURIA
2.38
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