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Anti cheat at tier 1 events
Germany Boombl4_Top_1_Womenizer 
Honestly, I'm not saying anyone ist cheating but why are hosts still Not providing hardware-based Anticheat-devices like the ones which gameref supplies? I mean, it's obvious that VAC or ESEA are utter trash that are Not even able to detect cheap public cheats like EZfrags, that costs like 50-100 $. It is obvious that cheating on lan is easily possible so why don't they decrease the probability of cheating by increasing their AC possibilities
2020-02-17 16:11
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2020-02-17 16:13
#93
Germany pmb  
only "clean" tournament was the one in which kaspersky anti cheat had its first run. (starladder major) check out the player stats there for some indications on who might be fishy :)
2020-02-21 13:50
Yes the first tourament where Liquid stopped doing all their BS plays, quite expected tbh. I believe S1mple also played poorly, however unlike Liquid he was pretty shaky before the tournament, where they were dominant up until it.
2020-02-22 12:34
I'm pretty sure gameref is just as easy as vac to bypass
2020-02-17 16:14
Definitely not. Gameref's devices basically compare the movement of your Mouse/Keys with the movement ingame which makes aimlocking pretty much harder (I don't really see a way to bypass such a device at all)
2020-02-17 16:18
#6
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Lithuania gime114 
but soft aim adjusts what the client tells the server about where your bullet went, it doesn't lock on to the other person's head
2020-02-17 16:27
#11
xsepower | 
Russia zj2 
thats not how it works it locks on enemies head u just dont see it
2020-02-17 16:51
+1 I'll always believe what a Russian says when it comes to cheating.
2020-02-18 08:22
#79
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Austria Vlaams_Welpje 
yeah that Pretty much sums it up
2020-02-18 08:27
#23
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Mexico MEXlCO 
Doesn’t matter tho, t1 “cheating” players would have >5k cheats not just ezfrags like forsaken
2020-02-17 18:06
How about TOs providing the gear (Mouse,Keyboard)?
2020-02-17 20:40
I doubt that this will ever happen. Or maybe if there is some massive cheating scandal on tier 1 level or something. But most pros would probably just say that any tournament that doesn't allow them their own mice is inferior and not relevant and that they don't want to play it. So it's bad for TOs when they can't get good teams or teams don't treat it seriously.
2020-02-17 20:46
I guess it would be like this, too (that players would complain) but it would be an easy and effective solution
2020-02-17 20:47
I don't think it would be easy. some pros use mice that don't even get produced anymore. So the TO would have to find and buy all those beforehand? Or alternatively the TO just issues a list pros can pick from but then again many would complain and say that the tournament is inferior due to them not being allowed to use their favorite gear.
2020-02-17 20:55
It doesn't seem difficult at all to create fake information for the gameref, why would that be any more difficult?
2020-02-17 19:08
Look, I named gameref as ONE possible option. I don't care which option TOs chose, I just want them to increase their AC possibilities. The easiest way would be the one that #52 pointed out. Just forbid bringing your own gear (mouse, keyboard), that would be it, problem solved.
2020-02-17 19:12
adds input lag tho
2020-02-18 08:24
Yeah, what to say. Customer made cheats cost between 10 and 70 k If you believe what coders are telling at defcon for example. That's a business itself with a lot of money involved. Also: imagine the image damage of valve and hosts If it came out that some pros have been cheating... We'll never know but I believe it's part of the scene
2020-02-17 16:24
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Lithuania gime114 
+1 flusha cheater
2020-02-17 16:28
I'm 100% convinced he did it in some point of his career
2020-02-17 16:30
bro he just lifted his mouse
2020-02-17 18:28
LULW
2020-02-17 18:56
u cant cehat at back sekured serbers
2020-02-17 16:25
#12
NEO | 
Canada chedca 
XD
2020-02-17 16:53
Yeah, I heard this "back" is pretty good.
2020-02-17 19:27
my theory is that in 2k14 when a private hack was leaked (smn kqly etc.) to valve, valve realised that they will never achieve safety in their technical outdated engine. from there on, there are 2 possibilities: 1) valve gave this information to the tournament organisers and they all together agreed that they continue like that, because they are all dead within a few weeks if it becomes public. keep the amout of viewers up, get the easy cash from crazy investors, like Tour de France. Everyone was happy before top drivers got busted, money was fine, the whole world was watching when the doped guys had their duels in late 90s. 2) valve didnt share the informations and they give lists and anti cheat advices/technics to organzisers, knowing that they wont catch anybody I think it`s 1). I mean EVERY market, EVERY serious, professional competition has a neutral, moral 3. PARTY instance without conflicts of interest, that controles the competition and takes anti cheat actions. CSGO hasnt. Why? It`s a multi million bizz and all we have is that valve and organizers say "everything fair in my competition! come watch here! come trade skins!"
2020-02-17 16:48
#15
pava | 
Europe Raco_br 
Name one fps game cheat free
2020-02-17 16:54
+1000 its 1) without a doubt. If money is involved, especially this much money, things like this happen, basically human behaviour tbh
2020-02-17 16:56
#22
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Canada chedca 
Once it became clear that TO's can't be trusted to reliably secure machines Valve didn't really have many options. It's not so easy to say "We're going to run everything" , and take full control of CSGO's competitive circuit. If Valve did that perfectly and ran every major themselves 100% secure, players at a customer level would still be getting screwed by cheaters in pubs and qualifiers. Also there would be a chance to mess lots of stuff up, making the community angry or hurting their reputation Valve acknowledged that as long as players have physical access to their machines they can spoof. This suggests they seriously considered cloud computing to get CSGO to run off of Valve owned machines via streaming. That way cheaters would only get to work with the data clients were originally intended to receive. This would still be possible to cheat , though. There would still be the kind of cheat that reads colours straight from the monitors driver and responds by aiming like kjearbye and simple - they would undoubtedly trigger condemnation from an overwatch-trained review algorithm , but what happens is these players actually sue Valve saying "we didn't cheat, you can't prove it" .. In 2016 the European Union adopted new data-protection rules that include a legal right to an explanation of decisions made by algorithms. arxiv.org/abs/1606.08813 Valve ultimately has the same problem that other big corporations have, explaining why did an AI make the decision it made? It's very hard from an engineering perspective to develop a framework of communication for the same AI model trained on millions of hours of data to explain it's decision making process to a judge or jury or people who never even heard of counterstrike. It's possible to build such a framework, though. Even it would be possible to double check it's accuracy, have a player sit down in front of Valve and get 100 frags, if they can not demonstrate the same or similar parameters established through overwatch than they must be at least a different person than who owns the account and would deserve some ban. Even in 1000 frags, on a simple map like aim_botz , it would be possible for AI to compare a performance to a profile built over multiple games to determine if it is the same person playing. Valve will undoubtedly make steps forward, it's their job after all and they may be as qualified to do it as any other company +care more. If enough time passes they will be able to contract third party developers to handle the "black box AI" problem for them , then go full-YOLO and let overwatch AI ban everybody. That is assuming the world doesn't end before that happens.
2020-02-17 18:12
Very interessting post. Thanks
2020-02-17 18:38
1.) makes definitely the most sense. The money in this business is huge and hosts would get broke if anything came out
2020-02-17 18:06
very unlikely, this is a typical conspiracy fallacy. the amount of people involved in this conspiracy and their conflicting interests plus the long time period make it extremely unlikely for it to be true. e.g. there are a ton of people that got angry/ended their career/want to become famous that would just make this public. E.g. why wouldn't the IBP guys either blackmail Valve to get unbanned OR make this public? how about journalists? how about ex employees of orgs? ex valve employees that moved to competitors? and so on
2020-02-17 20:51
naive... 1) there dont have to be involved tons of people for things like that. and wtf ibp ???? 2) it happens every day. boeing, vw, libor, theranos, pharmaceutical etc... fraud over years and decades everywhere, and they are regulated and controled by 3.parties, in contrast to valve and TOs.
2020-02-18 02:31
and you know about all those scandals because they came out as large conspiracies don't work. there is no reasonable explanation why and how this could be kept a secret for so long.
2020-02-18 02:52
keep believing
2020-02-18 08:13
"everyone that doesn't believe me conspiracy is naive" okay
2020-02-18 13:13
#81
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United States stephcurry30 
simply cuz the iBP guys didnt cheat and didnt know about it. remember it was all notable EU pros/semi-pros that got banned in that time period. also only the top echelon of the organization have to know about this. maybe a few guys from valve involved and the pro in question. lets use flusha for example, not saying he cheats but he has already won a major and was a top player for some time. in that scenario valve probably gave him the red light on cheating but didnt ban him or it would destroy the scene. its not beyond valve to do something like this since they used iBP, fyx0 and friends as a scapegoat to act like they give a shit about match fixing. they dont. ive benefited tons from fixed asian matches and its not like its a hard thing to prove. some betting sites r in on it too and the most they do is pull the match out if things start becoming too suspicious. valve dont give a fuck tho as long as it isnt too obvious so the fixing continues and teams know this
2020-02-18 08:36
that's still hundreds of people and would have come out
2020-02-18 13:15
#89
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United States stephcurry30 
first of all the number definitely isnt in the hundreds. id guess around a dozen for top tier including valve employees. also it hasnt happened for asian matchfixing and that i would guess is around a hundred or more. i dont know of anyone who snitched and even if they did, i wonder if valve would even give a crap about it cuz if they did a proper investigation most likely they would have discovered matchfixing. like i said, iBP and co were scapegoats probably just like kqly, emilio, smn, villig were for tier 1 cheaters who have already won significant achievements and were told by valve to stop but cant be banned or it would ruin the integrity of the whole pro scene
2020-02-21 07:51
it's easily hundreds. why would e.g. faze be okay with astralis cheating? with all the employees and over the years it's very unlikely to cover up. you are delusional
2020-02-21 13:46
#94
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United States stephcurry30 
as a casual viewer u have no clue about things that go on behind the scenes. thats ok. i used the match fixing examples to show u how not everything is as they seem and that ur wrong about ppl snitching. u seemed to have ignored everything i said tho. and to clarify i meant if the cheating scenario were as i described, its likely that only top tier tenured valve employees would know about it and resolve it with each player individually. the teams themselves dont have to be involved. in csgo, most cases of matchfixing multiple players to the whole team and other benefactors and collaborators r involved. yet even then there have been no leaks thus far. kind of destroys ur argument doesnt it? and just so u know pro players have publicly accused other pros of cheating. u seem to think the entire scene is in cohorts w/ each other but that isnt the case. the evidence lies w/ valve for VAC bans and unless the ban activates, which it wont for the reasons i described previously, everything is just fruitless speculation no matter the position u take. teams/players may suspect somethings up, but unless theres concrete proof is willingly provided by valve, it would be best for them to turn a blind eye cuz it would be damaging to their PR if they were to flat out accuse w/out proof now do i actually believe in my top tier cheating speculations and how valve making compromises? not necessarily. but i do believe it is possible and the most likely scenario given their stance towards matchfixing and their methods to save face by banning iBP and co. also my arguments mainly rely on my knowledge of matchfixing. i can provide evidence in the forms of trades and possibly old chat logs but i wont outright expose anyone. just enough to show u that this stuff is indeed happening. ask me to PM if u wanna see
2020-02-22 06:29
as a delusional conspiracy clown you have no clue about things that go on behind the scenes. thats ok. again, this would involved hundreds of people and it makes no sense that everyone would be in on it.
2020-02-22 11:21
#100
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United States stephcurry30 
wow. do u have a reading disability? obviously not, so why bother responding if u arent going to read? u can do better than that. i have responded to all ur points and even offered to show behind the scenes evidence to back up my own theories. at least try to correctly refute me instead of stating something that i didnt even claim
2020-02-22 11:53
> do u have a reading disability? ironic considering that you keep spamming long rants while ignoring that the number of people involved makes it very unlikely. your whole argument is just the standard conspiracy fallacy. why would so many people cross so many years all be part of this conspiracy? many of those people even have conflicting interests. again, why would faze be okay with a small org like Astralis dominating the scene, essentially costing them a ton of money? is astralis paying off faze? and that's just two teams.
2020-02-22 12:05
#102
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United States stephcurry30 
if ur not going to read #94, im not gonna bother responding anymore. ur not asking anything new that i havent already responded to and provided counterexamples against
2020-02-22 12:29
And you dont think any ex pros would ever want to expose q teammate they didnt like or opponent just for clout?
2020-02-22 12:38
#108
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United States stephcurry30 
sure they can and that has happened before even back in cs 1.6. but they would need proof. in top tier csgo, proof beyond reasonable doubt has to come from valve themselves. if top valve officials r in on it, theres nothing to be done
2020-02-22 12:48
all you do is make up dumb shit without any evidence. e.g. > its likely that only top tier tenured valve employees would know about it and resolve it with each player individually. that's not likely, that's extremely unlikely and makes no sense. e.g. obviously TOs would have to be in on this too and all the admins at events, IT at orgs and so on too. also you keep bringing up match fixing which isn't really the topic.
2020-02-22 12:53
How should a team like FaZe even prove that someone on Astralis is cheating? Should they open Mouse and keyboard by talking out the screws and check whether there is anything suspicious? If you want to cheat, you can do it. The only threat would be TOs or valve saying they have some Kind of evidence and they will use it against the regarding player
2020-02-22 12:35
You don't have to be able to prove it to say it. If for example a player is kicked he could want to expose his teammates.
2020-02-22 12:39
why would valve start some kind of exclusive conspiracy with astralis, which wasn't even a big org? also other pros have already complained about astralis concerning the "smoke bug" and lots of pros used to make statements about fnatic / flusha during their era. seems really unlikely that they all remain quite yet know, or at least believe, that astralis is cheating. also, most importantly, there is no evidence for this conspiracy lol
2020-02-22 13:00
im pretty sure that you cant cheat on vac secured servers
2020-02-17 16:50
#13
pava | 
Europe Raco_br 
How the fuck you are going to cheat on a lan event if there are admins looking behind their shoulder direct to the players screen
2020-02-17 16:53
If pros cheat its nothing comparable to cheats you might know out of mm etc. slight information-seeking is enough to have a significant advantage. some signals trough sound wouldnt ever be recognized by any admin.
2020-02-17 16:59
And how do you think an admin could possibly see for example a tiny little 5 pixel aimlock ?? Completely unrealistic. Plus the admin would have to call a tier 1 player out without having any proof, also unrealistic
2020-02-17 18:08
As long as pro csgo makes so much money for organizers etc they couldnt give a shit. A busted tier 1 player would damage the scene so they would rather let them cheat as long as the moneyflow continues sadly
2020-02-17 16:53
ezfrags get detected every 2 months tho
2020-02-17 16:55
Once in a while it does but EZfrags is literally one of the shittiest and cheapest cheats out there LUL
2020-02-17 18:09
#19
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Sweden Trkmag 
Finally a sensible cheating thread. People are naive if they think people doesn’t cheat at big lans. The fact that players still get to bring their own mice/keyboards (you can easily install cheating software after the TO has had their check) is ridiculous. Your suggestion is great, I would love for a TO to finally take cheating serious.
2020-02-17 17:11
#20
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North America davidbowie22 
cheating on lan would only be able to use aimlock or smth like that and thats just to improve ur aim and get a tiny bit of knowledge where a guy is so i think the risk is simply to big for the payout since at all t1 events a guy is behind the team seeing their screens etc but early on people couldve cheated
2020-02-17 17:19
#21
pava | 
Europe Raco_br 
Back in early 2000 I lived near the gaming house of a CS tier 1 team and Myself I used to attend regional qualify for CPL, eswc, wcg. So I was never a pro player but I was well know in the community and very often I was invited to this tier 1 team gaming house to scrim with them so they had someone to pratice with. Okay, why Im saying that? Im pretty sure 99% of users here NEVER played against a tier 1 team... okay boomer whats your point ? Well when you play against them it feels they are cheating but they are not, they are just THAT good... those players would stick in the gaming house for 12 hours per day during the week, on friday to sunday they used to play nights in a row sleeping like from 6:00 to 12:00, so OF COURSE they get that good. Okay now I dont know how things are handled in events nowadays but I know from a collegue of mine that on League of Legends, they have the equipment sealed brand new and the player has to use that mouse/kb until the end of the event. Anyway, I dont believe they cheat in lan
2020-02-17 17:27
"Okay, why Im saying that? Im pretty sure 99% of users here NEVER played against a tier 1 team... okay boomer whats your point ? Well when you play against them it feels they are cheating but they are not, they are just THAT good." That was never in question and is not the point of the thread. Sure pros at tier 1 are great, but so are professional sportsmen. The main question is: Is it possible to cheat on lan and is it viable. And the answer is: yes it is. "they have the equipment sealed brand new and the player has to use that mouse/kb until the end of the event." It's not the case in CSGO
2020-02-17 18:16
#33
pava | 
Europe Raco_br 
So basically you are saying Astralis is cheating because I really doubt that a pro will loose a match using cheating
2020-02-17 18:26
"So basically you are saying Astralis is cheating" I didn't say anyone is definitely cheating and I didn't even write the word "Astralis" in this thread, so the answer is no. I'm saying it is definitely possible to cheat and that valve and TOs should put more emphasis on decreasing the possibilities of cheating.
2020-02-17 18:30
#44
pava | 
Europe Raco_br 
If no one is cheating why bother with that ? You know that is impossible to create an fps cheat free, right ? They will put more money and 2 months after that a new cheat will appear
2020-02-17 18:45
"If no one is cheating why bother with that ? " I didn't say noone is cheating as well ;) Again, to clarify my point: I will not call out anyone here, because I simply don't know it for sure (by means of evidence). But I'm convinced there has been cheating in tier 1 CS. Independent of what I think (whether there is or has been cheating in tier 1), the key aspect is that it is possible and as you said with this statement "They will put more money and 2 months after that a new cheat will appear" the software based AC which we have now is not a proper solution. So I what like Tos and valve to either try out different AC (like hardware based ones) or to make the rules more strict (no own gear)
2020-02-17 18:48
#51
pava | 
Europe Raco_br 
So if you convinced that tier 1 is cheating that point out Astralis again.
2020-02-17 18:57
What do you mean? Saying that I'm convinced there has been cheating in tier 1 CS does definitely not imply that Astralis is cheating. Your comment does not make sense
2020-02-17 19:01
#69
pava | 
Europe Raco_br 
Astralis is the team that is constantly winning so by logic they are cheating or are you saying that there are cheaters on tier 1 and they are loosing ? LOL
2020-02-17 21:17
I'm saying it is possible to cheat at T1 events and that there should be more effort to prevent this. Not more, not less
2020-02-17 21:46
you cant cheat on vac secured servers
2020-02-17 18:11
Is it this anticheat? gameref.io/ Basically an unsecure webpage created in wordpress within 10 minutes. "Kickstarter coming soon". You realize this isn't even remotely close to being released? It's basically a one man concept. No one even knows if it would work. And you're wondering WHY TOs haven't implemented this AC yet? I believe this shit when I see it with my own eyes. It's basically some student trying to cash in on the eSports hype hoping to find big investors along the way. I don't think this will work as well as you expect. They would need a way to update this AC continuously because cheat developers will be in on the beta testing and crack this thing within a day or two. Also hype started in 2015 and they haven't done shit since. Yeah dream on man
2020-02-17 18:13
This was one example of a possible increase of security. Afaik gameref are not even the first ones to develop hardwarebased AC. There are ofc other solutions like only being able to use TO provided gear for the whole tourney and many more...
2020-02-17 18:14
My main point of the thread is: Valve and TOs seem not to be interested at all in keeping cheats away from tourneys at all costs. Moreover, there is so much money on the line (and I'm talking not only about the prize money but also about the sponsorships), that for sure it would be rentable to have an advantage by just using a tiny little aimbot to "infolock". Say you are in a high pressure situation on dust 2, on short and you want to know if someone is holding an angle on catwalk: If you have the chance to get the info for free, why wouldn't you do it when so much is on the line? Because of moral or ethical reasons?? No.
2020-02-17 18:22
My main point of the thread is: Valve and TOs seem not to be interested at all in keeping cheats away from tourneys at all costs. Excuse me but how do you know this? Try working as a staff at a tournament to begin with to know their procedures. You talk from no experience other than what you've read online in various conspiracy threads. Theres basically two way to do this. One, you implement the technology we have which is software anticheat and which we all know is rubbish. Or you can implement tournament rulesets, have players and teams sign strict contracts where you define which type of penalty cheating at a tournament would lead to. And you implement staff which watches the players at all times. I can assure you, what is implemented today is better than relying on a hardware anticheat that serious cheat coders would be able to crack. These things would likely not be cheap and it would replace the staff but in all honesty do a much worse job in its current state. So far, having staff and tournament refs is better than any anticheat. In the future a solid hardware anticheat that is done properly with the backing of Valve for example would probably be able to replace tournament refs, but theres nothing out there today that any TO would be able to implement within the next 3 years.
2020-02-17 18:37
"You talk from no experience other than what you've read online in various conspiracy threads." What conspiracy threads? I'm talking about this topic from what I know about AC at tier 1 tourneys: having a shitty functioning software based AC and, as you pointed out, staff and refs (which is definitely the better of these two options). "So far, having staff and tournament refs is better than any anticheat" I disagree, why not trying what is available know, not only hardware based AC but also more strict rules (no own gear), or investing into AI based software? From what I wrote initially, refs and staff are the only factor TOs are relying on when it comes to cheating.
2020-02-17 18:43
look what technologies we have, saying its not poissible to cheat on lan ios dumb asf
2020-02-17 18:25
Sorry, but this is plainly wrong. There are yearly conferences discussing cheating possibilities, e.g. defcon. There are hundrets of clips explaining how, I will just give you one talk of defcon 2017 as a reference youtube.com/watch?v=gRWjd6o4LO4&t=2s If I was a pro and I wanted to cheat, ofc I wouldn't pull a forsaken move and download a .rar file, open it and execute some software. I would just execute it from a microchip in my mouse or keyboard.
2020-02-17 18:28
see tour de france 200 ways of doping banned, they always find a way.
2020-02-17 18:29
We are talking about E-sports, and in particular CS:GO. The doping control at Tour de france is good, yet you still have people doing it and getting caught in several sport competitions and ofc there are also people who don't get busted.
2020-02-17 18:32
i mean its already a problem that many ppl use performance enhancing stimulants at this events. so probably also cheating.
2020-02-17 18:46
Yeah, but this is a different topic. I mean, we don't need to discuss that Methylphenidate (Ritalin) or D-Amphetamine (Adderall) are a thing, but this is impossible to check.
2020-02-17 18:50
#48
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United States Trump2020KAG 
They will never ban a tier1 player from a top team. It will kill the image of pro cs. Instead a couple times a year they ban a couple tier 3 player so they can say LoOkAnTiChEaTwOrKs.
2020-02-17 18:50
Exactly, LUL and forsaken wasn't even caught by software based AC but he got busted because an admin saw something suspicious which is basically an embarassment for VAC and ESEA AC because he was one of those who really used EZfrags.exe to cheat. This is like a drug test that cannot even detect a bunch of coke that you took right before the test.
2020-02-17 18:53
#72
NEO | 
Canada chedca 
it was an ESL event so assuming the AC was "ESL Wire" client
2020-02-18 02:46
#88
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Poland BAN_ANIME 
wasn't kqly a tier 1 player?
2020-02-18 13:36
Interessting posts in this thread. I cannot really tell if hardware based AC is already developed enough to use it in competitions. But what I don't get: Why don't they just provide the gear (Mouse, Keyboard) for the players?? I mean this is not a financial problem at all and it's also not difficult to implement. This would definitely be an easy possibility to prevent cheating.
2020-02-17 18:58
Yeah, don't ask me. I wonder about that, too. Easiest way to prevent cheating, but I guess a lot of players wouldn't agree on that
2020-02-17 19:03
it would be as simple as asking the players what gear they use and giving them a brand new/clean from any kind of cheats mouse & keyboard
2020-02-18 08:42
#83
xsepower | 
Russia zj2 
Some have custom mouse
2020-02-18 09:37
then inspect the gear for cheats before matches
2020-02-18 09:38
"Game:ref is built on the open-source Arduino platform" LUL
2020-02-17 19:03
This was ONE possibility. Also, gameref are afaik not the only ones who provide such devices. There are several other options to decrease the probability of cheating like what #52 said
2020-02-17 19:05
#62
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Libya OG_TOP_1 
they are playing on vac secure servers
2020-02-17 20:46
That's the problem,cause VAC and ESEA AC are utter Trash
2020-02-17 20:48
#66
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Libya OG_TOP_1 
you cannot cheat on vac secure servers
2020-02-17 20:55
#64
2020-02-17 21:02
you cannot cheat on vac secure servers
2020-02-18 02:53
Subroza and kjaerbye still playing so... I think they don't care anymore
2020-02-18 03:11
The day we have working anticheat is the day this game will blow up so much that there will be stadiums filled with ppl watching the game live :)
2020-02-18 08:36
#85
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Sweden swediztann3 
There is no public cheats that works on esea? I just visited ezfrags site and their private cheats costs 10 usd not 50+? And its not even private and its just a copy paste cheat. Vac is shit tho, server sided acs never good
2020-02-18 10:35
#90
Dosia | 
Russia Rapu 
I heard that Kaspersky Lab makes its own anti-cheat. I think they can make a good product.
2020-02-21 07:58
I think, crowd cheating is enough. So LAN is trash. Real pros play good in online like AMKtares
2020-02-21 08:14
VAC
2020-02-22 07:04
#96
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China SwooksarV2 
We all know you cant cheat on VAC secured servers
2020-02-22 07:12
#97
ropz | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
just let TOs provide gear for each player - which is only used and given out in matches. mouse and keyboard maybe around 150$ per player, 750$ per team - no problem for big events with 250k$+ prize pool fuck players who use outdated gear or if they insist on it, let them provide gear to TOs which will be checked and only handed out for the officials match pcs without any internet access - problem solved
2020-02-22 07:15
This +1 Easiest solution, and whoever complains can just gtfo
2020-02-22 12:36
All competitive FPS games have tons of cheaters it isn't shocking.
2020-02-22 07:15
#109
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Australia sad_faze_fan 
why dont they just scan computers likes of forsaken ez catch
2020-02-22 12:50
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