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Save Bristol!
Skadoodle | 
Denmark NavyEnthusiast 
Please, I ask this one thing of you as a HLTV user... Sign this petition, let's save this old but well worn destroyer from being scrapped. She's been there for countless crews, she's a piece of history with her 57 years of service, she's been in battle and trained many people to become proper officers and sailors in the Royal Navy. change.org/p/national-museum-of-the-roya.. Thank you.
2020-02-18 21:58
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who the fuck cars
2020-02-18 21:59
why you hate on history
2020-02-18 22:00
#6
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Germany belikeme 
Yes why
2020-02-18 22:03
#8
COCAINE | 
Mongolia bozgor 
because it reminds him how low the UK has fallen 👌😎
2020-02-18 22:05
ouch lol
2020-02-18 23:24
Mongolia, how ironic,
2020-02-18 23:43
#41
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Korea XigNw0w 
He has admitted that he is fakeflagger, he is from Hungary. Besides that, how has Mongolia fallen?
2020-02-19 15:40
yikes he should have just pretended to be mongolian
2020-02-19 16:52
lmao
2020-02-20 14:14
God damn you don't know your history very well do you
2020-02-19 17:26
#64
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Korea XigNw0w 
If you refer to Mongolian empire then yes, it was a downfall, but I don't think that #8 was any reference to historical Empire.
2020-02-20 01:19
i dont hate history, i am ambivalent toward a lump of metal
2020-02-18 22:05
cruelty
2020-02-19 19:24
just because it's an old ship doesn't mean it's relevant for history. by the same logic we should keep everything old
2020-02-18 23:53
why shouldn't we? sometimes the value of something comes only through time, and maybe later it might be useful. I mean unless its insanely expensive then I don't see why we dont just keep it
2020-02-19 00:37
that's the point though, it costs money. also historians typically evaluate whether something is valuable and I don't think there is anything special about this ship. and there are plans and picture of it, so it's not like it would be hard for future historians to find out details. as I said, not everything old is automatically relevant.
2020-02-19 00:43
Don't you think the same was said about all their other museum ships? This would be their only proper cold war museum ship to show off and make people learn about in first person. " I don't think there is anything special about this ship" It is the only ship of its class to ever exist, as the 7 other were cancelled. It is the only ship of the current Royal Navy to have been in active combat, against an actual nation. She's had a long service time, more than many aircraft carriers. The british for sure would have money to keep her in place. That is not the problem for sure.
2020-02-19 14:57
I am not an expert on ships but just because it's from the cold war or was its own class doesn't make it special. if anything I feel like this makes it less relevant. if this was e.g. a very common WW2 ship you could argue that it makes sense to keep at least one as these type of ships played an important role in an important war. but this ship seems pretty niche, at least from the wikipedia entry it seems the only relevant thing is that played a minor role in the falkland war. check out page 4, definition of historic vessels: nps.gov/maritime/ref/HistoricVesselPrese.. anyway, I am neither a historian nor an expert on old war ships but rather I am point out that the argument that something is worth preserving just because it's old isn't correct.
2020-02-19 15:21
(answers to that page) 1. Falklands War is the most recent proper naval combat, it is quite a large event for the British for sure. 2. As it has been used as a cadetship, many people feel connected to it. Those who were trained on board, and those who have fought on board. 3. It is rare and special, one of its kind, and as mentioned, would be a cold war preserved destroyer. 4. It will be history for the future, just like HMS Victory was, and Belfast. HMS Victory was no extraordinary ship back in her day, yet she was kept. Same goes for Belfast. They were kept because of the peoples love and admiration, not because some historians said "muh lessons" And no, not everything old should be kept. This ship has a meaning to many people, it is as what I'd call a personal treasure, unlike the Victory being more of a national treasure.
2020-02-19 15:30
Again, I am not a historian, but clearly neither are you. Also you are being dishonest and basically just pushing some agenda because for whatever reason you really really like this old ship. Flaklands might be significant but this ship was largely irrelevant for Flaklands. "some people served on it" certainly doesn't make it significant and there isn't anything special about it. by the same logic every special edition of every product would be "special". Also, "It will be history for the future," at this point you are basically trolling
2020-02-19 15:39
What other ships has had 50+ years of service and thousands of sailors on board? She is beloved by the people who've served. If you had family members who had served on something, don't you think it'd matter to them or your family? You know what, SURE it didn't have the biggest purpose in the Falklands war, but it was still present. It has quite a rich history compared to if you as an example, kept a Type 23 (if you don't know what it is, it's a british frigate from the late 1980s) Howcome is it trolling? Have you lost your mind? What do you think ALL OF THE OTHER MUSEUM SHIPS were during their time of being turned into museums? What are they now, HISTORICAL SHIPS, were they back then? NO. Actually, I feel like you'd be the one trolling if anything. She's worth trying to save for some, if you don't wish to support, leave it at that. It doesn't cost anything.
2020-02-19 15:46
> What other ships has had 50+ years of service and thousands of sailors on board? She is beloved by the people who've served. If you had family members who had served on something, don't you think it'd matter to them or your family? why do you keep repeating this? none of that is relevant as people have served on every ship. do you also want to keep every building a lot of people worked in, so basically every office building? > What do you think ALL OF THE OTHER MUSEUM SHIPS were during their time of being turned into museums? What are they now, HISTORICAL SHIPS, were they back then? I literally already explained that this is not how it works. Your whole argument basically just seem to be that you have some emotional connection to this ship and therefore you want to keep it. They should just have a bunch of historians look into this and decide.
2020-02-19 15:57
There's a difference between an office building and a warship/cadet ship. I am not intentionally repeating myself, you just don't seem to realise people can be connected to something. The Type 82 was a pathway for sailors and students, a taste of their future if they were to continue in the navy. It shows you the practical ways of being onboard of a ship, teaches you about navigation, machinery and more. The office building isn't as practical, as it is behind a screen nowadays anyway, and it doesn't have the same kind of lifespan as a ship. You get way more connected to something, when "forced" to be together with it for a long period of time. You can't just disembark and go get something to eat like you can in an office building. Can't you see how people would be connected connected to a ship? Back then, BEFORE internet existed (woah), many of their now museum ships were going to be scrapped. That changed, funny enough. The people of England stood up for their previous museum ships, not just some historians. That is why they still exist. i know you used the office building as an example, but you hopefully know what i mean from this.
2020-02-19 16:09
There are a ton of buildings used to train people and many building are just as old, if not older, than this ship but we don't preserve every building. Again, if anything the fact that this was a training ship just makes it less relevant. And your personal emotional connection is completely irrelevant. It's no different than me making a petition about the first office building I worked in because it reminds me of my first job. but as I said, historians should decide whether it's worth keeping it
2020-02-19 16:17
Guess you completely missed or didn't bother with trying to find a way around how it is different to be away from something for a long time and how you grow connected to the people and your ship. My "personal emotional connection" is not irrelevant, as I already voted to make her a preserved museum ship. You also forgot the point about how the CITIZEN decided to stand up for the ships. Not just historians. It is not for historians to decide to keep it or not, it is up to the government, and the way the government gets to decide with influence from people, is from such petitions.
2020-02-19 16:28
yeah but I am saying it's stupid to keep it if historian don't think it's worth it. also I still don't see how people being emotionally connected to the ship is relevant as history is about the past, i.e. those people will die sooner or later anyway.
2020-02-19 16:34
It is not stupid, and some historians will find use for it. Those people can tell stories that will go through some generations. It will have written stuff about it, people will be able to compare what it was like inside of a ship back then and now.
2020-02-19 16:37
we are really just going in circles here. you don't need to physically keep everything to preserve knowledge about it and not everything is relevant.
2020-02-19 16:41
Do you not think it would be a nice addition to their current museums? They have a ship from the Napoleonics, The Victorian era, World War 1, World War 2, they don't have a large cold war ship. All these ships comparable, see the differences throughout the years. Technical and mechanical differences and so on, any people with professions for these can find use in it, if they have an open and interesting mind that is. EDIT: It is not just irrelevant, it is a sign of the eras and conflicts. Like with Belfast, showing off World War 2, whereas the Bristol would be there for the Cold War.
2020-02-19 16:46
this ship not car
2020-02-18 22:03
+1 lol
2020-02-19 00:33
Those who cares about more than a limited amounts of pixels on a screen and how expensive their computer is. It is a piece of history. And as for "who cares", I do. That's why I posted it. Sure, not many are fans of ships or history at the same time, but a few people are.
2020-02-18 22:19
#3
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Ecuador Ageless 
Kill that motherfucker. Who cars about scrap iron
2020-02-18 22:00
why hate on history?
2020-02-18 22:04
#13
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Ecuador Ageless 
That shit is old bro
2020-02-18 22:56
If that ship mattered to you like your grandfather was on that ship when he fought in a war or some shit you would care. So why not help the people that care so they help you next time.
2020-02-18 23:03
Thanks man
2020-02-18 23:22
#20
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Ecuador Ageless 
I live in Ecuador man I dont think that some dumbfuck from Denmark will be helping me out anytime soon but nt
2020-02-18 23:34
Excuse me, what've I done to offend you or make you insult me? Also, that is quite a blind shot.. What makes me a "dumbfuck"? The only sort of help you'd seek would probably be money related, wouldn't it? Guess what, this petition is free. Or wait, no, it takes like 5-10 seconds to write in your name and email and then you're all good to go.
2020-02-18 23:37
#24
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Ecuador Ageless 
Ok i signed it now you are welcome where is my $20
2020-02-18 23:40
As much as I am thankful, this is a petition for everyone else as well as myself. Not just for a single persons wish. The 20 dollars is something you'd sadly have to earn yourself.
2020-02-18 23:43
#4
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Austria Phil_1337 
who ships
2020-02-18 22:03
sailors
2020-02-19 00:03
petitions have never achieved anything and will never.
2020-02-18 22:06
Apparently if something reaches 10.000 in the UK it must be spoken about by the government.
2020-02-18 22:18
that is true this doesnt mean they will do anything however
2020-02-18 23:36
Considering they've saved quite a few ships in the past, such as the Belfast, I hope the British inner Naval feelings will keep her as a national treasure. She is very much like with our danish frigate, Peder Skram.
2020-02-18 23:38
i would hope so
2020-02-18 23:41
+1 :')
2020-02-18 23:47
Japanese hell ships > bristol
2020-02-18 23:24
Whaaaaa
2020-02-18 23:49
#18
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Australia Finalization 
no ships given
2020-02-18 23:26
Why not man :(
2020-02-18 23:28
#34
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United States sorcrcrc 
¡!¡!¡!yes!¡!¡!¡ history is important!!!
2020-02-19 00:40
yes it is!
2020-02-19 01:15
#43
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Spain tense_1983 
As a war enthusiast and Brit I agree, it symbolizes the last might the British Empire had in itself.
2020-02-19 15:52
+1
2020-02-19 15:57
#50
JaCkz | 
France Bubuche 
Done
2020-02-19 16:36
Thanks :D
2020-02-19 17:01
#54
rain | 
Russia HikZ 
who cars? xd
2020-02-19 16:46
cars go preeeben is ship!!!
2020-02-19 17:01
Fuck pirates
2020-02-19 16:49
yes, therefore vote yes?
2020-02-19 17:01
#60
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Romania themightyflea 
first world problems
2020-02-19 17:04
lmao
2020-02-19 17:14
#66
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Finland ToxicDUD 
For a materialist this means nothing For someone who loves our history and sees the world as something with meaning this is important
2020-02-20 14:17
I served on her during the Falklands Conflict and it would be a great tragedy to lose this piece of our great naval history.
2020-02-20 14:17
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